BajaNomad - No More Gringo Gazette???

No More Gringo Gazette???

BornFisher - 1-7-2008 at 02:57 PM

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MrBillM - 1-7-2008 at 03:14 PM

Will Anyone Miss it ?

SDRonni - 1-7-2008 at 03:15 PM

I will. I know many people thought it was just a "rag," but I thought it had a lot of good info.........

Al G - 1-7-2008 at 03:15 PM

Well I did not know her that well and only read a few articles, but in my opinion she did a good job. Is she moving all operation to Cabo...or are they the same paper? Read the one down there a lot more.
As for the realtors in torres group, it is too late...only an out of step fool would buy a condo there now. The damage the cops there has caused will take forever to over come...it is time to dump and run...
There is a reason we have free press in the US.
I hope this is not just a rumor from B.D.'s...well sorta good if the GG is not gone...

bajajudy - 1-7-2008 at 03:21 PM

The two papers are not related.
So I guess Carrie will continue here in BCS.

CaboRon - 1-7-2008 at 03:52 PM

In fact the front page story on the new Gringo Gazette is about the Rosarito Beach police being under military control.

CaboRon

bajabound2005 - 1-7-2008 at 06:21 PM

Yes, it's true. The current issue is the last one. I just received a confirming email from Nancy Conroy, the editor and publisher. Please note she stresses this was professional decision.

DENNIS - 1-7-2008 at 06:26 PM

Does this mean that it just ceases to exist? Even though many disagree with her, it's a shame to lose a voice.

vandenberg - 1-7-2008 at 06:59 PM

I'm confused. I've been reading this rag for years and always was under the impression that it was from Cabo san Lucas. They had a south and a north edition, also available free on line. Is this a different Gazette, and 2 with the same moniker ?? :?:

Bajabound

Baja Bernie - 1-7-2008 at 06:59 PM

Here is exactly what I got from her a few minutes ago.....

Bernie,
There is no deportation/arrest/harassment/kidnapping. I have not received any new pressure from anyone. I have simply decided that it is time for me to move on personally and professionally.
Nancy

Nancy A. Conroy, J.D.
Editor/Publisher
Gringo Gazette North

bajamigo - 1-7-2008 at 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Does this mean that it just ceases to exist? Even though many disagree with her, it's a shame to lose a voice.

You are so right. It's really sad to think that all we seem to have left is Torres' Baja Crimes.

:no:

bajabound2005 - 1-7-2008 at 07:04 PM

The Gringo Gazette in Baja Sur is NOT the same paper and as far as I know, no affiliation. The Gringo Gazette North will be gone with the wind when the current issue is exhausted from the newstands. A true loss for Baja Norte for many reasons. And she told me the same thing as she told Bernie.

Hey! Why would anyone come to Baja to WORK? There are too many other things to do!!! But, we'll truly miss the paper.

Really to bad, Sorry to hear this

Keri - 1-7-2008 at 07:04 PM

She did give us another voice . We needed that. Good luck Nancy, k

Woooosh - 1-7-2008 at 07:19 PM

I don't know how she did it all those years. She never backed down. I hope she can keep an on-line version going in some form. Torres' people used to steal all the copies off the racks every week and it was hard to get a hard copy to read anyway.

DENNIS - 1-7-2008 at 07:20 PM

It's not the first to quietly fade away. The Baja Sun, published by Mike Bircumshaw folded some years back when it appeared to be flourishing with a north and south edition. It started back in the eighties as the Ensenada News and Views and was owned by Jean Loup Bitterlin who's family owns the El Rey Sol. It was local news put together by locals, mostly 24 hours before deadline, in Chuy's Cantina. It was fun. In fact, that was a fun time in Ensenada.

I don't understand why these papers don't have value and can't be sold although I don't think Conroy is being candid about her reasons to quit. I believe the pressure on her was intense. She stepped on some pretty big toes and for that, I'll miss here.
Oh well, she's a lawyer. She'll be fine.

A Lawyer and one tough lady.

Baja Bernie - 1-7-2008 at 08:14 PM

Gringo Gazette North

Gypsy Jan - 1-7-2008 at 08:43 PM

...will be missed.

Nancy Conroy and I had clashes over business objectives and focus, but the Gringo Gazette North (emphasis, not the Gringo Gazette South) has been a consistently valuable, independent and pretty reliable source for news and events for the English language community in Baja.

Her political and legal reporting has garnered worldwide coverage (Hint: google "Blackwater" and "Gringo Gazette")

I wish her well in her future endeavors.

BajaWarrior - 1-7-2008 at 09:04 PM

One more Gringo Gazette overlooked.

The Gringo Gazette.

The life and times of North and South Campos and San Felipe, Baja, California.

Editor, Jose Castro.

elgatoloco - 1-7-2008 at 09:13 PM

Too bad. I will miss it.

My hat is off to Nancy for standing up and printing the news that no one else would print. I actually was surpised she lasted this long. Probably better for her health to move on.

The Baja Times is a joke. :barf:

gringo gazette no mas!

paul r - 1-8-2008 at 12:24 AM

torres thugs finally ran nancy out!... she worked hard!... good luck to her!

JESSE - 1-8-2008 at 03:41 AM

Well, in all honesty, the northern version of the Gazette was pretty lame. They should have the style of the southern and all would be fine.

DERN - 1-8-2008 at 09:32 AM

Bummer. Her paper was the perfect size for the bottom of our parrot cage. Gracie loved to **** all over it.

Dern

[Edited on 1-8-2008 by Hose A]

Woooosh - 1-8-2008 at 09:57 AM

Gracie will love the Baja Times to poop on even more. Try to get her to aim for the pics of Torres!

Cervisin - 1-8-2008 at 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Well, in all honesty, the northern version of the Gazette was pretty lame. They should have the style of the southern and all would be fine.

You say: there is some valuable information in the southern edition..... roflmao :tumble:

toneart - 1-8-2008 at 10:21 AM

I read last year that THE NEWS, an English Language newspaper out of Mexico City was starting up again after years of not publishing. It used to be distributed widely throughout the mainland. I am wondering if it couldn't be distributed in Ensenada. Maybe even with a Baja Norte stringer reporting. :?:

CaboRon - 1-8-2008 at 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by Cervisin

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Originally posted by JESSE
Well, in all honesty, the northern version of the Gazette was pretty lame. They should have the style of the southern and all would be fine.

You say: there is some valuable information in the southern edition..... roflmao :tumble:

There is at least one or two interesting articles (even though the reporters are too cutsie) in each issue..... and I have their telephone dialing guide on my fridge.

CaboRon

mikeintj - 1-8-2008 at 11:20 AM

Nancy,

If you are reading this I am very sad and disappointed that you are deciding not to carry on. It was always a fascinating read and I was often in awe at your bravery in publishing some of the stories. Have you thought about selling it, or even allowing somebody else to edit it?

Mike.

JESSE - 1-8-2008 at 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Cervisin

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Originally posted by JESSE
Well, in all honesty, the northern version of the Gazette was pretty lame. They should have the style of the southern and all would be fine.

You say: there is some valuable information in the southern edition..... roflmao :tumble:

I didnt say valuable, people dont read the "Gringo Gazette" for its valuable information, they read it because its fun.

DENNIS - 1-8-2008 at 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
I didnt say valuable, people dont read the "Gringo Gazette" for its valuable information, they read it because its fun.

Nancy Conroy's "Statement from the editor" was anything but fun. Invariably it was an indictment of the scummy power barons of the region, Torres in particular. She had the balls to confront them knowing from the outset that power would prevail. She knew she couldn't last, let alone win. There was nothing to win. She was just stateing OUR case as a good attorney and journalist is trusted to do. We have to appreciate that.
Now, that voice has been silenced. Conroy loses something but, we lose everything. We lose our voice. Torres wins.
For expats in Baja, our foundation gets more tenuous each day.

Nancy.......We will miss you.

Dennis

Baja Bernie - 1-8-2008 at 07:31 PM

I knew that when I supported you there was a reason...........and you just explained that reason......my hand is extended should you wish to shake it.

DENNIS - 1-8-2008 at 07:33 PM

Thanks Bernie....Mi mano es su mano, por siempre.

bajabound2005 - 1-8-2008 at 08:18 PM

Yup, for our area the GGN was our only reliable (and I'll use that term LOOSELY) source of real news of what was happening in Mex. Even the daily Mexican newspapers are lacking seriously for news...the GG was never the NY TImes but it gave us the real happenings in the area. And a bigger loss is the ads; if you're looking for something -- go to the GG (classifieds and display)....You can do whatever you want with the paper, but WE will miss it.

[Edited on 1-9-2008 by bajabound2005]

Al G - 1-8-2008 at 08:27 PM

You know I really don't know what to say here...I have a hard time when faced with someone giving up...it is not very likely and surely not a human trait...I think her life or some kind of major threat has been made...to the extent she must claim it was her idea too survive.
I think we as a group should send Torres a message...How? The pulse in Baja...it is quickly becoming internet searches...Baja Nomads surely come up very often. If we tell him we will never give up, and will work diligently to make people, that come to our site, understand that Rosarito is a corrupt, dangerous place, not fit to visit or live in. We all have connections with other sites and could list them...
Anyone ready to do this in Spanish?

JESSE - 1-8-2008 at 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by JESSE
I didnt say valuable, people dont read the "Gringo Gazette" for its valuable information, they read it because its fun.

Zeta is the best selling newspaper in Tijuana and the most fair and trustworthy for the past 20 years because it combines facts and reality with interesting stories that people want to read each week. When ever i visited up north i would read the northern Gazette and compared with the southern, it was just not as good.

I guess what i am saying is that yes, maybe she provided some interesting truth, but it wasnt packaged very well, and thats why it had to go.

DENNIS - 1-8-2008 at 08:35 PM

Lets sleep on this one, Al. Tomorrow we can try to understand why she quit. She knows what she's doing and wouldn't want us to interfere at this time.
I think you have a good idea.

bajabound2005 - 1-8-2008 at 08:43 PM

Anyone willing to step up to the plate and take her place? My guess is NOT!

DENNIS - 1-8-2008 at 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE

Zeta is the best selling newspaper in Tijuana and the most fair and trustworthy for the past 20 years because it combines facts and reality with interesting stories that people want to read each week.

Zeta and the Gringo Gazette were never meant to be competitors. Zeta is a highly respected newspaper with a highly respected staff, past and present. Blancornelas was one of the very best as was his partner Hector Felix.

The GG was meant to lightly inform and entertain, fun as you previously stated. It wasn't until the corruptness of the area overwhelmed the editor, Nancy Conroy, that she started to comment on issues that affected the whole community, Americans included. She pointed out corrupt real estate dealers and scam businesses. It turned into a head-to-head confrontation between her and the number one offender, Torres. Now he's mayor with more power.

Conroy has wisely opted out. Hector Felix should have done the same thing but his enemys murdered him before he could.

One more thing......I apologize for not having good to perfect Spanish but, that's what I would need to read Zeta. I struggle with reading it anyway and appreciate its journalistic value although it's not a publication which I can comfortably read in the bathroom.
I can do that with the Gringo Gazette. Now, I'll have to go back to Bernies books.
No offense, Bernie.

bajabound2005 - 1-8-2008 at 09:52 PM

Touche, Dennis! That's what I've been trying to say and you hit it on the cabeza! We gringos (that's why is was the GRINGO gazette) could read it and understand what the hay was going on!!!!

Gringo Gazette - Nancy Gone...

BajaGringo - 1-12-2008 at 12:26 AM

Contrary to popular opinion here, the Gringo Gazette is NOT gone. Nancy Conroy is gone. Also contrary to popular belief here, she was NOT run out of town by the Torres group.

The Gringo Gazette will continue to be published by its legitimate owner, Carrie Duncan who also owns the southern edition. Nancy didn't leave for "professional" or "personal" reasons. She left for "legal" reasons. Nancy used to be a partner with Carrie and according to court papers filed by Carrie, Nancy fraudulently took the northern paper from her. Nancy of course denied it and it has been in the courts for the last 4 years or so. Well the courts finally awarded the paper to Carrie and I'll just let that fact speak for itself. Bye Bye Nancy!!!

Don't believe everything you read folks...

JESSE - 1-12-2008 at 04:31 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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O.k. i see your point.

JESSE - 1-12-2008 at 04:32 AM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Contrary to popular opinion here, the Gringo Gazette is NOT gone. Nancy Conroy is gone. Also contrary to popular belief here, she was NOT run out of town by the Torres group.

The Gringo Gazette will continue to be published by its legitimate owner, Carrie Duncan who also owns the southern edition. Nancy didn't leave for "professional" or "personal" reasons. She left for "legal" reasons. Nancy used to be a partner with Carrie and according to court papers filed by Carrie, Nancy fraudulently took the northern paper from her. Nancy of course denied it and it has been in the courts for the last 4 years or so. Well the courts finally awarded the paper to Carrie and I'll just let that fact speak for itself. Bye Bye Nancy!!!

Don't believe everything you read folks...

So we are in for some improvements, thats good.

Gringo Gazette

BajaGringo - 1-12-2008 at 08:11 AM

I think the quality of the paper will be much better - the southern edition is a much better edition if that be any indiciation...

mikeintj - 1-12-2008 at 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I think the quality of the paper will be much better - the southern edition is a much better edition if that be any indiciation...

You think so?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CaboRon - 1-12-2008 at 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE

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So we are in for some improvements, thats good.

Veeery Interesting :wow:

CaboRon

BajaGringo - 1-12-2008 at 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by mikeintj

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I think the quality of the paper will be much better - the southern edition is a much better edition if that be any indiciation...

You think so?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely. The northern edition had become a joke as Nancy was so far out on the extreme fighting her personal legal battles on the pages of the paper. People were afraid to submit anything for printing as she would rewrite everything you wrote adding her editorial and extremely biased slant but then leave your name as the writer. We were all calling it the Gringo Enquirer. Anything would be an improvement...

comitan - 1-12-2008 at 11:52 AM

That all is very interesting, now tell me why the southern edition writers all have fictitious names.

BajaGringo - 1-12-2008 at 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by comitan
That all is very interesting, now tell me why the southern edition writers all have fictitious names.

So you're telling me we are just in for the same.

Oh gawd....

BCSTech - 1-13-2008 at 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by comitan
That all is very interesting, now tell me why the southern edition writers all have fictitious names.

Hey, don't most of the writers on the 'Nomad forum have fictitious names? Good enough for us! :lol:

DENNIS - 1-13-2008 at 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo

So you're telling me we are just in for the same.

Oh gawd....

I don't think it'll ever be the same but, what the heck......it's free.

bajalera - 1-13-2008 at 03:14 PM

The nom de plumes are sort of clever, in a hokey way--it's the little fingers instead of page numbers that I can't stand.

comitan - 1-13-2008 at 03:28 PM

Lra

They do have page numbers now.

vandenberg - 1-13-2008 at 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by bajalera
The nom de plumes are sort of clever, in a hokey way--it's the little fingers instead of page numbers that I can't stand.

I know what you mean Lera.

Always have to take my shoes off when going past page 10. :biggrin:

DENNIS - 1-13-2008 at 04:34 PM

Page six was always worth a laugh with five fingers on one hand and the middle finger on the other.

vandenberg - 1-13-2008 at 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Page six was always worth a laugh with five fingers on one hand and the middle finger on the other.

Dennis.
You never cease to amaze me with your power of obsevation. :biggrin:

DENNIS - 1-13-2008 at 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

"Juvenile" is the word that always evoked for me, but perhaps she knew her audience... :rolleyes:

--Larry

And you, with your advanced sophistication, would prefer what.......Roman Numerals?

fdt - 1-13-2008 at 06:49 PM

Little (huge) ferna when 5 or 6 years old once told me; Daddy, did you know that this is not a finger (refering to the middle finger)?
What is it Fernando?
It's a bad word.
:lol:

sylens - 1-14-2008 at 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by fdt
Little (huge) ferna when 5 or 6 years old once told me; Daddy, did you know that this is not a finger (refering to the middle finger)?
What is it Fernando?
It's a bad word.
:lol:

priceless

DENNIS - 1-14-2008 at 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
Naah, standard page numbers. Things that cause more attention to the medium than the message, disturb the reading flow.

Yeah...I know what you mean about the fingers but, who could take them seriously? If an article directed the reader to another page, more often than not, the continuation wasn't there and the search was on. So much for "reading flow." I guess that's the price we paid for a freeby.

tjBill - 1-21-2008 at 11:46 PM

The Los Angeles Times wrote an article on Nancy Conroy and here legal problems back in June 2006.

http://www.ensenada.com/infoboard/viewtopic.php?t=30

BajaGringo - 1-22-2008 at 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by tjBill
The Los Angeles Times wrote an article on Nancy Conroy and here legal problems back in June 2006.

http://www.ensenada.com/infoboard/viewtopic.php?t=30

If you actually read the story you would see that it is over a year and a half old and not related.

obafla - 1-23-2008 at 09:24 AM

The Gringo was nothing more than a tabloid for me. Wish there was more accurate news about Tijuana, Rosarito and Ensenada around. I'm finding some good information in baja nomad.

CaboRon - 1-24-2008 at 07:06 PM

In the new issue of th Gringo Gazette (Baja Sur) Carrie mentions the reclaiming of the northern edition in her editorial from , and I quote, the "bi###" who stole it from her. Not a very nice editorial, but it is the other view on the whole issue. She say she would like to continue publicatin but doesn't know if it is possible due to health and time issues.

CaboRon