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An overview of Mexican problems

bajajudy - 1-16-2008 at 10:31 AM

http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSL165475902008...

DENNIS - 1-16-2008 at 11:33 AM

Interesting article, Judy...Thanks

rpleger - 1-18-2008 at 12:20 AM

Judy...

Thank you for the article...very interesting indeed.

Sharksbaja - 1-18-2008 at 12:52 AM

Scary. Think of it .......Commandos and U.S. helicotors interdicting Mex drug lords and cartels.
Gee you can you imagine how that would pee off Mexican citizens. I think Mex would rather fix this themselves.

Cervisin - 1-18-2008 at 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by bajajudy
An overview of Mexican problems


Interesting and objective: mexican problems.....
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Mexico is both a source of illicit drugs and a transit country. The U.S. estimates roughly 90 percent of the cocaine consumed in the United States comes via Mexico, which is also the largest supplier of foreign marijuana to U.S. consumers.

And this is about the consumption -, not talking about related crime in the US and other impact on society. Well, that must be a mexican problem also I assume.....

Iflyfish - 1-18-2008 at 09:28 AM

Interesting history, useful perspective, thanks for posting.

Iflyfish

Let's try again...

The Gull - 1-18-2008 at 08:13 PM

Mexico is both a source of illicit drugs and a transit country. The U.S. estimates roughly 90 percent of the cocaine consumed in the United States comes via Mexico, which is also the largest supplier of foreign marijuana to U.S. consumers.

"In the U.S., the region most vulnerable to corruption is the U.S.-Mexican border and particularly the border with Arizona," said Paul Charlton, the former U.S. Attorney for Arizona who is now partner in a law firm. "The temptations are just extraordinary."

Over the past few years, investigators have uncovered scores of U.S. public employees who accepted bribes for helping to move drugs or look the other way. The latest was an Arizona prison officer sentenced this month to 15 months for taking cash from people he thought were drug traffickers. They were FBI agents and he was one of 53 Americans sentenced in Operation Lively Green, an undercover investigation meant to stop corruption at the border.

Do you boycott Arizona? Proud to be a self-righteous American, huh guys? Sanctimonious comments?

Is Hugo Torres the cause of this too? Is the Real Estate industry in Baja responsible for this too?

Where is all the hypocritical condemnation NOW?

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Time to up the meds dude

kimberlee - 1-19-2008 at 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by The Gull
Mexico is both a source of illicit drugs and a transit country. The U.S. estimates roughly 90 percent of the cocaine consumed in the United States comes via Mexico, which is also the largest supplier of foreign marijuana to U.S. consumers.

"In the U.S., the region most vulnerable to corruption is the U.S.-Mexican border and particularly the border with Arizona," said Paul Charlton, the former U.S. Attorney for Arizona who is now partner in a law firm. "The temptations are just extraordinary."

Over the past few years, investigators have uncovered scores of U.S. public employees who accepted bribes for helping to move drugs or look the other way. The latest was an Arizona prison officer sentenced this month to 15 months for taking cash from people he thought were drug traffickers. They were FBI agents and he was one of 53 Americans sentenced in Operation Lively Green, an undercover investigation meant to stop corruption at the border.

Do you boycott Arizona? Proud to be a self-righteous American, huh guys? Sanctimonious comments?

Is Hugo Torres the cause of this too? Is the Real Estate industry in Baja responsible for this too?

Where is all the hypocritical condemnation NOW?

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CaboRon - 1-19-2008 at 09:18 AM

Right on Kimberlee !!!

Welcome to the forum where there are a variety of nuts :lol:

CaboRon

Stay in denial about the source of the problem

The Gull - 1-19-2008 at 09:42 AM

Hide your head in the sand regarding where the problem REALLY is. Ignore the corruption and graft that the news report identifies. It really doesn't happen in AMERICA, does it?

It makes ugly Americans proud when countries of lesser affluence have civil disorder and crime because they are supplying drugs to the World's Largest Consumer of illegal drugs - AMERICA.

Ugly Americans can feel best when they are downgrading Columbia, Afganistan and Mexico, just to name a few because those countries are part of the supply chain and their citizens are paying the ultimate price so that AMERICANS can escape reality and get high.

Keep on ignoring the problem and blaming those other countries - lots of progress will be made by doing that - won't it?

Go ahead, tell me to up my meds, again, since that is your likely response to everything in your life, already. Keep believing that you are safe in your make-believe world thousands of miles away from the countries who suffer for the excesses of AMERICANS. No one you know uses illegal drugs, huh?

kimberlee - 1-19-2008 at 10:06 AM

So gull we're not supposed to talk about it? Sweep it under the rug and it will simply go away? Also Mr Gull you assume a lot, I live in Mexico and I am Mexican and fully understand what is happening. If we do nothing like you suggest we should do, pass the blame on the USA and not on ourselves as Mexicans then this **** will only continue to worsen. So sorry the economy up in BC is in the dumps, maybe that's your frustration, what the hell do I know?

We need to talk about it and we need to send a loud and clear message to the Mexican government, the same government who thinks its better to ship off their best and brightest able bodied adults to a foreign country up north so that their elderly parents and children can stay behind and do the suffereing while these same greedy sonofab-tch elite bastards who are the problem continue to enjoy their lavish lifestyles at the cost of their own people. Despicable. hope i spelled that right

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The Gull - 1-19-2008 at 10:16 AM

Apparently, the message was too subtle for you - doing nothing IS the wrong approach. Ignoring the massive intake of illegal drugs across the Mexican-USA border is NOT something DRIVEN by Mexico, but PULLED by the US.

The economic drop in Baja only improves buying opportunities for me, so you have that one wrong, too.

If there are other woes in Mexican society such as exodus of leadership or wealth, I'll wager that the transit of drugs to the US can only worsen the situation as the Cartels move to fill the void.

kimberlee - 1-19-2008 at 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by The Gull
Apparently, the message was too subtle for you - doing nothing IS the wrong approach. Ignoring the massive intake of illegal drugs across the Mexican-USA border is NOT something DRIVEN by Mexico, but PULLED by the US.

The economic drop in Baja only improves buying opportunities for me, so you have that one wrong, too.

If there are other woes in Mexican society such as exodus of leadership or wealth, I'll wager that the transit of drugs to the US can only worsen the situation as the Cartels move to fill the void.


ok gaviota so what exactly are YOU doing to help turn the situation around?

The Gull - 1-19-2008 at 11:38 AM

What I do with my philantropic efforts, volunteer time and community service are a personal commitment and those activities will not be a subject of this board. They are not done for the assessment by others or self-promotion.

DENNIS - 1-19-2008 at 11:46 AM

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This will have me wondering for the rest of the day.

DENNIS - 1-19-2008 at 11:49 AM

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Ignoring the massive intake of illegal drugs across the Mexican-USA border is NOT something DRIVEN by Mexico, but PULLED by the US.



Come on, Gull. There's a shared responsibility here.

CaboRon - 1-19-2008 at 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by The Gull
What I do with my philantropic efforts, volunteer time and community service are a personal commitment and those activities will not be a subject of this board. They are not done for the assessment by others or self-promotion.


You seem to be doing a lot of assesing of others, why not give us a chance to assess you.
Or is it that you do nothing but mouth off about how everyone else is ugly.
I am thinking that you are the ugly one.

CaboRon

The Gull - 1-19-2008 at 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
Or is it that you do nothing but mouth off about how everyone else is ugly.
I am thinking that you are the ugly one.
CaboRon


Errors:
1) You don't think
2) Not everyone else is ugly, but your condition is unchallenged.

The Gull - 1-19-2008 at 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by The Gull
Ignoring the massive intake of illegal drugs across the Mexican-USA border is NOT something DRIVEN by Mexico, but PULLED by the US.



Come on, Gull. There's a shared responsibility here.


Dennis,

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DENNIS - 1-19-2008 at 04:45 PM

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Oh yeah...now I get it. Thanks for clearing that up for me, Gull.

Pushers and Pullers

MrBillM - 1-19-2008 at 05:12 PM

IF we apply the same logic to other criminal behavior, then the Criminal who sticks a pistol in your face and carjacks you in order to sell your vehicle to a chop shop is NOT the real problem. The buyer who is wanting/willing to purchase the parts at a bargain price is the culprit.

Such a fundamental rethinking of criminal law would certainly change our judicial system.

bancoduo - 1-19-2008 at 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
IF we apply the same logic to other criminal behavior, then the Criminal who sticks a pistol in your face and carjacks you in order to sell your vehicle to a chop shop is NOT the real problem. The buyer who is wanting/willing to purchase the parts at a bargain price is the culprit.

Such a fundamental rethinking of criminal law would certainly change our judicial system.
Haven't you ever read "the world according to THE GULL". It's #1 on the nonsense list.:lol:

Cervisin - 1-20-2008 at 05:18 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
IF we apply the same logic to other criminal behavior, then the Criminal who sticks a pistol in your face and carjacks you in order to sell your vehicle to a chop shop is NOT the real problem. The buyer who is wanting/willing to purchase the parts at a bargain price is the culprit.

Such a fundamental rethinking of criminal law would certainly change our judicial system.


Mr. Bill, I would say the criminal that stick's the pistol to your face is in 50% in fault yet most likely he would not do so if he had not a chance to sell the car to the chop shop (except if he has real big garage and collects cars) therefore they are BOTH guilty - on top:they are breaking BOTH the law. Of course do you, with a pistol in your face have a different opinion - so would I...

If i recall right: this thread - and many others addressing this topics the past weeks mainly talk about the " mexican problem" and to my opinion it's like said above = no buyer, no seller... therefore it is not alone a mexican problem....

Continue your boycott of Arizona and Irvine

The Gull - 1-20-2008 at 12:10 PM

According to reports posted on this site, both places in the US are more crime ridden than the border. Stay consistent.