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Don't pave the road, please

DianaT - 1-17-2008 at 09:01 PM

Now that we live part of the time in Bahia Asuncion, we really appreciate why the locals are looking forward to a paved road. On our many trips out to Vizcanino to shop and bank, we often curse the road ---that is unless it has just been graded. But then there was yesterday....

Just north of Guerrero Negro we saw the first part of one of those hugh caravans of monster motorhomes and trailers---the 2000 sq ft luxury homes on wheels. We had just passed a motorhome that had dropped off the road---they were waiting for a tow truck, and we just wondered how it did not land on its side---looked like a little push and over it would go.

We flashed our lights at the caravan members, the sign of trouble, and slow down. They waved back a happy hello----it was then that we heard the loud buzz of generators assualting our dunes---the generators needed for all those creature comforts. Please don't pave that road.

The name of the caravan jarred a rather recent memory. Only a few years ago, with our tiny fiberglass trailer, we were tucked between the slides of monsters traveling with this caravan company in Rivera's RV Park in Loreto. We grimanced as we remembered these Canadian snowbirds washing their behemoths and paying little attention as precious water ran carelessly on the ground. We heard the sucking sound of our local resources wasted away.

So, with this in mind, please don't pave our road. Without the road, they won't come.

But once we reuturn to Bahia Asuncion, and after our third 140 mile round trip to the ATM in Vizcaino, we will again long for the paving to continue.

But please don't pave the road.

Diane and John

vacaenbaja - 1-17-2008 at 09:24 PM

Unless things have really changed, I do not think that you will have too much to worry about too soon. The thing is that a poorly maintained asphalt road is almost always worse than most baja dirt roads. Those steep craters wreck front ends when taken at speed, and the sections of broken up road that looks like a bombed out runway will leave the affected drivers vowing not to return to such a place where the road is not in a smooth 55mph plus condition. The road in to BOLA was that way for years. Great when just paved but when it was bad you really had to be determined to go there to put up with it. I used to see many a broken boat trailer left by the roadside on the way in. But alas your right as soon as a good road is made 'sin will come to Eden' It all depends on how well the road is maintained.Enjoy it while you can.

[Edited on 1-18-2008 by vacaenbaja]

Bob H - 1-17-2008 at 10:42 PM

As time goes by... more roads will be paved. It's just gonna happen - there's nothing we can do. The road to Gonazga Bay from San Felipe will be paved soon. What a change that will make........... huh? Paved roads will continue to grow throughout Baja. We must get used to it.
Bob H

rts551 - 1-18-2008 at 08:17 AM

John and Diane

Road to Abreojos almost finished. And what a change in the last few years. More people, big trailers and motorhomes. Your time is coming

David K - 1-18-2008 at 08:29 AM

Bad Roads = Good People...:light:

Good Roads = ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE :o

(Mama Espinoza, El Rosario, 1973):yes:

DianaT - 1-18-2008 at 08:38 AM

Been back in Imperial Beach for less than 24 hours and have started packing for our return. Missed Bahia Asuncion before we left.

But when the first caravan shows up in town, Punta Prieta or San Hipolito here we come! :yes::yes:

The part of our road that is newly paved was heavily damaged in a few spots in the big rain---totally washed out in one place. But just this last week they finished putting a line down the middle and sides, where there are still sides, and signs----one sign already fell down where an edge broke off a little more.

We heard that the governor is coming maybe next weekend to dedicate the new stadium---wonder if it will be completed. We heard that he will be coming by car and not helicopter. I wonder what he will think about his new road. Wish we were returning right after his visit---for sure, the dirt will be nicely graded. :yes::yes:

My apologies to all caravan people----

Diane

bajalou - 1-18-2008 at 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by Bob H
The road to Gonazga Bay from San Felipe will be paved soon. What a change that will make........... huh?
Bob H


What do you consider "soon"?

I've seen the start at Puertecitos and it looks like it might take a while to finish.

pelone - 1-18-2008 at 08:54 AM

It is unbelievable to me that Northeners feel the need to travel in luxury coaches or pull enormous travel trailers behind them. I spoke with one fellow last year that swore he would never drive south again because of the narrow escapes he had and that his rear view mirror had been taken off by a sixteen wheeler going the other direction.

Coupled with the need of these often greedy visitors to crank up thei generators early in the morning or run same late into the evening to power up their TV's, we would be better off if they stayed on paved roads altogether.

Al G - 1-18-2008 at 09:05 AM

My motorhome is very sad, because I scolded it for being a motorhome....:P:P:P:lol:

shari - 1-18-2008 at 09:09 AM

A note to all...please put yourself in the shoes (and cars) of the local people who live here and how a good road will make their lives much better...less car repairs...safer trips...many only think about how it affects "their" paradise and tourist numbers....forget all that crap and just for a moment reflect on los mexicanos.

DianaT - 1-18-2008 at 09:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
A note to all...please put yourself in the shoes (and cars) of the local people who live here and how a good road will make their lives much better...less car repairs...safer trips...many only think about how it affects "their" paradise and tourist numbers....forget all that crap and just for a moment reflect on los mexicanos.


SHARI, READ THE POST CAREFULLY----we do very much understand, and as part time locals, we agree---it is an ambiguous feeling. Also, some of the locals are looking forward to the impending change, and some are not, and some have shared the same ambiguous feelings with us.

Diane and John

Iflyfish - 1-18-2008 at 09:18 AM

Motor Home Caravans to Asuncion

Mrsfish and I ran into caravans the entire length of Baja. I managed to talk with some of them. This is what the real trip looks like. You get onboard in south Texas; take the Copper Canyon train, where your 30 footer is loaded on a flat car with up to 30 others exactly like yours.

You then travel down to the ferry where you and your cohorts are loaded on to the ferry. You disembark the ferry and go from one RV Park to the next, eating and sleeping at the same RV Park. There are side trips available to see the whales etc. "the bus will pick you up and drop you off", "how many for the Bufadora today?" and off you go. The rest stay and drink in the bar at the RV Park, or an adventurous soul in the group may walk to the local gift shop. "Honey, can I touch a Mexican", I swear I heard it come from some over dressed, bejeweled Texan with silver/blue hair so tightly sprayed I thought it would break.

As I talked with these folks, to the person they said, "I hate Mexico and I will never come back", "The roads are too narrow and everything is dirty". They complained about the food when wonderful places to eat were only doors away. They all said they liked the Copper Canyon. Really they liked being transported by train in their lovely Coaches as they watched one of nature’s wonders pass by their windows and they did not have to drive! I imagine it would be like watching the Geographic Channel out your window as you pop you Crystal.

I felt sad for these folks as they had each laid down around $6,000 US to go from one Baja RV park to the next. They all traveled together and stopped for fuel at the same places, stayed at the same RV parks and were trapped in this rolling hell. They dressed for dinner and many tried to out class the others with ostentatious displays of expensive jewelry, clothing etc.

The US has amazing RV resorts that cost up to $100 US per night and hot and cold running "Yes sir" and "No sir", "We have rules about that". You can decide to use one of two or three pools and a number of hot tubs, though most do not avail themselves of these amenities. They would rather set up their American flags, haul out the awning, put the flowers on the table and drink with their peers. These are the places they are familiar with.

These behemoth motor homes require 50 amp service or else they must use generators. I clearly recall observing a lengthy and heated conversation between a home builder in the Baja and their electrician about why the house was not grounded and why their friends nearly fried themselves on loose kilowatts. The reply "We do not connect that third wire here in Mexico. We do not need that here; they do that in the North."

My suggestion would be that if your town makes provisions for these whales that they require 50 amps, grounded service be the standard for any RV facilities. If you do not do this then you can indeed expect the sound of generators to reverberate through the town. This edict will at least provide the juice they need, if they are adventurous enough to wander off Hwy 1, and they will be less likely to crank up the generator.

My best to you and my hopes that "progress" does not overtake your life style.

Iflyfish

livencabo - 1-18-2008 at 09:31 AM

I have enjoyed traveling in my Toyota pickup with shell and light camping and staying at motels when they became available. Good road, bad road and no road. New roads are coming with economic development.
It would be a courtesy to all if land yachts could limit their caravans to two or three vehicles.
Even with arroyos for roads, there were still all kinds of people. Don't fall into the trap of characterising people by their vehicle.

rts551 - 1-18-2008 at 09:34 AM

Not ALL Mexicanos strive for a change in their lifestyle... some belie the fact that their simple life is rapidly changing. With change comes a whole new set of problems.... thats why we need locked gates sometimes.

DianaT - 1-18-2008 at 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by livencabo
Even with arroyos for roads, there were still all kinds of people. Don't fall into the trap of characterising people by their vehicle.


Good statement----totally agree.

We are human and do suffer from biggotry----against those huge caravans --- not against the single motorhome that navigates the road to BA.

Thanks for comment---a clarifying one indeed. :yes::yes:

Diane and John

shari - 1-18-2008 at 09:48 AM

very true, not all mexicans want to change their simple lifestyle...but I bet you a billion US dollars that every local person in our village would vote to pave the road. You have no idea how much of their income goes to car and tire repairs and the number of lives lost as a result from accidents caused by not being able to afford to get the repairs they need....or the number of people who do not get medical or dental attention because they don't want to travel that road in their unsafe vehicles...to them, the road is not about worrying about RV's coming or not...it's about better survival.

DianaT - 1-18-2008 at 09:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
very true, not all mexicans want to change their simple lifestyle...but I bet you a billion US dollars that every local person in our village would vote to pave the road. You have no idea how much of their income goes to car and tire repairs and the number of lives lost as a result from accidents caused by not being able to afford to get the repairs they need....or the number of people who do not get medical or dental attention because they don't want to travel that road in their unsafe vehicles...to them, the road is not about worrying about RV's coming or not...it's about better survival.


Still don't think you carefully read the post----and yes, a paved road would be easier on their cars, but I would guess that more accidents are caused by the style of driving that road way too fast --- see that all the time---have almost been hit by a few, and that is not likely to change paved or not.

Diane and John

vandenberg - 1-18-2008 at 10:19 AM

Diane, Shari and other Asuncion dwellers.
If they pave the road at the same speed as they are doing the streets in Loreto, you won't have anything to worry about for years.:(:(:biggrin:

I must be obtuse.

BMG - 1-18-2008 at 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by jdtrotter
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Originally posted by shari
very true, not all mexicans want to change their simple lifestyle...but I bet you a billion US dollars that every local person in our village would vote to pave the road. You have no idea how much of their income goes to car and tire repairs and the number of lives lost as a result from accidents caused by not being able to afford to get the repairs they need....or the number of people who do not get medical or dental attention because they don't want to travel that road in their unsafe vehicles...to them, the road is not about worrying about RV's coming or not...it's about better survival.


Still don't think you carefully read the post----and yes, a paved road would be easier on their cars, but I would guess that more accidents are caused by the style of driving that road way too fast --- see that all the time---have almost been hit by a few, and that is not likely to change paved or not.

Diane and John


Diane and John,

I have read and re-read your original post several times and I don't understand what you are trying to tell Shari about reading your post carefully. It seems to me that you are against paving the road (3x's "don't pave the road"), RV's larger than a tiny trailer and wasteful Canadians. Shari only addresses the road and points out that most of the locals want the road paved and feel that it will improve their quality of life and disagrees with your plea not to pave the road. What am I missing?

Steve

DianaT - 1-18-2008 at 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by BMG
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Originally posted by jdtrotter
Quote:
Originally posted by shari
very true, not all mexicans want to change their simple lifestyle...but I bet you a billion US dollars that every local person in our village would vote to pave the road. You have no idea how much of their income goes to car and tire repairs and the number of lives lost as a result from accidents caused by not being able to afford to get the repairs they need....or the number of people who do not get medical or dental attention because they don't want to travel that road in their unsafe vehicles...to them, the road is not about worrying about RV's coming or not...it's about better survival.


Still don't think you carefully read the post----and yes, a paved road would be easier on their cars, but I would guess that more accidents are caused by the style of driving that road way too fast --- see that all the time---have almost been hit by a few, and that is not likely to change paved or not.

Diane and John


Diane and John,

I have read and re-read your original post several times and I don't understand what you are trying to tell Shari about reading your post carefully. It seems to me that you are against paving the road (3x's "don't pave the road"), RV's larger than a tiny trailer and wasteful Canadians. Shari only addresses the road and points out that most of the locals want the road paved and feel that it will improve their quality of life and disagrees with your plea not to pave the road. What am I missing?

Steve


In the post we say, don't pave the road, but also talk about how much we look forward to the paving of the road for other reasons ---the same ambiguios feeling that others have. Yes the road makes like easier, but does not always bring ONLY positive changes---not just for us, but for the community.

Sorry the caravan people in Loreto were Canadians---you appear to be offended by that comment. We have witnessed that same wasteful behavior with other caravans in Mexico that were totally people from the US.

Yes, we had a tiny trailer, loved our travels in it, but discovered that that style was not ok for us----please, that is not a statement against others who love their trailers and mohos---it just was not for us.

Still dread the day the caravans hit Bahia Asuncion----but they will be good for some businesses.

Hope that clarifys it a little.

Diane and John

Hook - 1-18-2008 at 11:00 AM

Ya know, there is actually a growing cadre of RVers that take pride in being very self-sufficient in terms of needing full hookups and/or generators. With the reduced costs of solar panels, inverters, low-drawing TVs, etc., many just love the quiet of dry camping as it is called.

So what if the rigs are large and comfortable. Some RVers can actually be good neighbors. Yes, I do wish they were more common, though........

I've gone from a 28 footer down to a simple cabover camper where you carry your outside living quarters with you and set it up around you. That has transpired over 10 years. In all that time, I bet I havent run a generator more than 20-30 hours, total. Most often reason; making toast followed by a very infrequent cooling of the rig before bedtime in sweltering heat. Now, I am inverting for toast and using 12v fans for nighttime.

Besides, it appears there is more than just improved road conditions conspiring to raise the visibility of BA to RVers. It's a never-ending infommercial here on Nomads.

Mexitron - 1-18-2008 at 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Besides, it appears there is more than just improved road conditions conspiring to raise the visibility of BA to RVers. It's a never-ending infommercial here on Nomads.



good point...

Roberto - 1-18-2008 at 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Besides, it appears there is more than just improved road conditions conspiring to raise the visibility of BA to RVers. It's a never-ending infommercial here on Nomads.


You noticed that too, did you? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sharksbaja - 1-18-2008 at 02:36 PM

Quote:

Besides, it appears there is more than just improved road conditions conspiring to raise the visibility of BA to RVers. It's a never-ending infommercial here on Nomads.



Yep!:rolleyes:

805gregg - 1-18-2008 at 05:33 PM

When I read the don't pave the road, I couldn't help but think of my trip out to Asuncion in Aug. I remember the Bimbo Bread truck following me. You don't have to be in Acuncion, you chose to go there on vacation. How about all those people that have to drive the roads good, bad, rain or shine just to bring you your bread, I think they deserve a break and a good road so they can get home to their family's sooner. This reminds me of the the typical person who finds a place they like and doesn't want anyone else to enjoy the same place. You don't have to worry about me, no surf and too cold.

DianaT - 1-18-2008 at 05:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
When I read the don't pave the road, I couldn't help but think of my trip out to Asuncion in Aug. I remember the Bimbo Bread truck following me. You don't have to be in Acuncion, you chose to go there on vacation. How about all those people that have to drive the roads good, bad, rain or shine just to bring you your bread, I think they deserve a break and a good road so they can get home to their family's sooner. This reminds me of the the typical person who finds a place they like and doesn't want anyone else to enjoy the same place. You don't have to worry about me, no surf and too cold.


Try reading more than just the subject title. Since we live there part of the time now we are really looking forward to having the road paved, and the broken pavement fixed-----it is not a vacation for us, it is our second home. Guess we need to keep the writing real simple.

Paved roads bring good and bad to a community.
We look forward to traveling back and forth to the closest ATM---Vizcaino on nice pavement.
A good paved road might bring caravans---don't care much for caravans.

Really don't care who shows up---and yes, it is often cold, windy, and the surf is unpredictable. We have actually encouraged people to visit, and have also encouraged some to buy----

Diane and John

bajalera - 1-18-2008 at 05:55 PM

No point in griping about obvious improvements, but the street in front of our house in La Paz used to have a bumpy lumpy dirt surface, plus a pile of identifiable debris at one interestion that served as a tope. Definitely not a speedway.

Since it got paved and one-wayed, cars whizz past lickety-spllt, much too fast for a street without sidewalks that a lot of unattentive kids traverse on their way to school or the neighborhood tienda

Progress, I guess, is sometimes a trade-off.

BMG - 1-18-2008 at 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by jdtrotter
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Originally posted by BMG
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Originally posted by jdtrotter
Quote:
Originally posted by shari
very true, not all mexicans want to change their simple lifestyle...but I bet you a billion US dollars that every local person in our village would vote to pave the road. You have no idea how much of their income goes to car and tire repairs and the number of lives lost as a result from accidents caused by not being able to afford to get the repairs they need....or the number of people who do not get medical or dental attention because they don't want to travel that road in their unsafe vehicles...to them, the road is not about worrying about RV's coming or not...it's about better survival.


Still don't think you carefully read the post----and yes, a paved road would be easier on their cars, but I would guess that more accidents are caused by the style of driving that road way too fast --- see that all the time---have almost been hit by a few, and that is not likely to change paved or not.

Diane and John


Diane and John,

I have read and re-read your original post several times and I don't understand what you are trying to tell Shari about reading your post carefully. It seems to me that you are against paving the road (3x's "don't pave the road"), RV's larger than a tiny trailer and wasteful Canadians. Shari only addresses the road and points out that most of the locals want the road paved and feel that it will improve their quality of life and disagrees with your plea not to pave the road. What am I missing?

Steve


In the post we say, don't pave the road, but also talk about how much we look forward to the paving of the road for other reasons ---the same ambiguios feeling that others have. Yes the road makes like easier, but does not always bring ONLY positive changes---not just for us, but for the community.

Sorry the caravan people in Loreto were Canadians---you appear to be offended by that comment. We have witnessed that same wasteful behavior with other caravans in Mexico that were totally people from the US.

Yes, we had a tiny trailer, loved our travels in it, but discovered that that style was not ok for us----please, that is not a statement against others who love their trailers and mohos---it just was not for us.

Still dread the day the caravans hit Bahia Asuncion----but they will be good for some businesses.

Hope that clarifys it a little.

Diane and John


Diane and John,

I'm not saying your plea to not pave the road is right or wrong. I was only trying to find out what you meant by reading the message carefully. I still think I was clear on my first reading as was Shari.

My understanding: You think at times you would like to see the road paved and you agree that most of the locals would like to see the road paved but, the bottom line is that you do not want it paved. You indicated that sentiment three times. Carefully reading has not changed my initial interpretation of your post.

Not sure how you read into my reply that I was offended by your remark about Canadians. All I did was paraphrase what you said about them carelessly letting water run on the ground and wasting resources.

Your comment about the little trailer and the monsters could be construed that you just don't like large motorhomes and trailers and I did read it as your being opposed to large RV's.

All in all, I think you may be in the minority of folks living in that area in regards to paving the road but, I may very well be in agreement with you if we lived there too.

Steve

DianaT - 1-18-2008 at 06:45 PM

Steve,
We want the road paved----everything else was really directed towards keeping caravans away.

Roberto - 1-18-2008 at 06:47 PM

Diane and John,

Forgive me, but why do you keep explaining your post when your meaning was so obvious to anyone who bothered to read it and graduated high school?

Just let it go, your subtleties are obviously wasted on this subject. As someone recently said on another thread on this board, stop the pig wrestling. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

DianaT - 1-18-2008 at 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Diane and John,

Forgive me, but why do you keep explaining your post when your meaning was so obvious to anyone who bothered to read it and graduated high school?

Just let it go, your subtleties are obviously wasted on this subject. As someone recently said on another thread on this board, stop the pig wrestling. :lol::lol::lol::lol:


Very good advice! Done, done, done. Back to packing so we can return ------out of the pit we go!

Thanks Roberto---needed that kick. :yes::yes:

Diane

Confused again.

BMG - 1-18-2008 at 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Diane and John,

Forgive me, but why do you keep explaining your post when your meaning was so obvious to anyone who bothered to read it and graduated high school?

Just let it go, your subtleties are obviously wasted on this subject. As someone recently said on another thread on this board, stop the pig wrestling. :lol::lol::lol::lol:


I think I have been insulted but I'm not sure.

1. Am I so uneducated that I keep missing the obvious?

2. Did I really not bother to read the post?

3. Who is the pig in this wrestling contest?

4. Am I correct in assuming this is directed at me?

Roberto - 1-18-2008 at 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by BMG
4. Am I correct in assuming this is directed at me?


Yes, but you are not alone. :lol::lol::lol::lol: **************************************




[Edited on 1-21-2008 by BajaNomad]

Bajaboy - 1-18-2008 at 08:01 PM

I thought Diver was putting in an RV park at his place on the point?:lol:

honda tom - 1-18-2008 at 08:10 PM

glad you got there before everybody else.......... Eh?

bajaguy - 1-18-2008 at 08:26 PM

They paved paradise and put in a parking lot

rhintransit - 1-18-2008 at 09:02 PM

I live in a small once upon a time fishing village off the grid south of Loreto. the primary power lines pass within a half a mile of the dirt access road. for years and years, the word has been...THIS year electricity. so far, no electricity, due primarily to the local Mexicans being unable to show clear title to allow the easements. do i have mixed feelings about whether or not it gets here? you betcha. do the Mexican residents look forward to power? uniformly yes. my feelings/sentiments are irrelevant. I will go with the flow.

All this kind of reminds me of a certain song:

Packoderm - 1-18-2008 at 09:17 PM

God made the mountains
God made the sky
God made the people
God knows why

He fixed up the planet
As best as He could
Then in come the people
And gum it up good

The first thing you know

They civilized the foothills
And every weary put hills
The mountains and valley below

They come along and take 'em
And civilize and make 'em
A place where no civilized
Person would go

The first thing you know
The first thing you know

They civilize what's pretty
By puttin' up a city
Where nothin' that's
Pretty can grow

They muddy up the winter
And civilize it, into a place
Too uncivilized
Even for snow

The first thing you know


They civilize left
They civilize right
Till nothing is left
Till nothing is right

They civilize freedom
Till no one is free
No one except
By coincidence, me

The first thing you know

The boozer's in prison
And the criminally isn't
And only the rascals have gone

When I see a parson
I gotta put my arson in
A wagon that follows the tail of a crow

The first thing you know
I pick up a growl
The first thing you know

805gregg - 1-19-2008 at 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by jdtrotter
Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
When I read the don't pave the road, I couldn't help but think of my trip out to Asuncion in Aug. I remember the Bimbo Bread truck following me. You don't have to be in Acuncion, you chose to go there on vacation. How about all those people that have to drive the roads good, bad, rain or shine just to bring you your bread, I think they deserve a break and a good road so they can get home to their family's sooner. This reminds me of the the typical person who finds a place they like and doesn't want anyone else to enjoy the same place. You don't have to worry about me, no surf and too cold.


Try reading more than just the subject title. Since we live there part of the time now we are really looking forward to having the road paved, and the broken pavement fixed-----it is not a vacation for us, it is our second home. Guess we need to keep the writing real simple.

Paved roads bring good and bad to a community.
We look forward to traveling back and forth to the closest ATM---Vizcaino on nice pavement.
A good paved road might bring caravans---don't care much for caravans.

Really don't care who shows up---and yes, it is often cold, windy, and the surf is unpredictable. We have actually encouraged people to visit, and have also encouraged some to buy----

Diane and John


If you don't have to work you're on vacation, whether you stay in a house or camp in in a tent. You might as well pack. The road is comming, more people are comming along with everything that goes with that.

shari - 1-19-2008 at 11:50 AM

OK guys, those of you who do not want to hear about Asuncion...por favor don't open the threads...but I know lots of Nomads who want to know what's new here...what the fishing is like, updates etc...I do not post here to drum up more business...we're quite busy thanks...and I agree we dont have to worry about caravans here for some time to come...not enough resources or weather they like. Now, some of my very favorite Nomad amigos we have had the honour of meeting have come here in varying sizes of RV's...I don't give a crap if they don't rent a house or go fishing...their friendships have become solid, lifelong ones that I am glad to have made...they contributed to the village economy in a positive way. So although I will hate to see RV's parked anywhere in my viewscape( ie: at Divers RV park)...I have grown to love some RV'ers.....especially the canadian or far north yankee ones!

Roberto - 1-19-2008 at 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by shari
OK guys, those of you who do not want to hear about Asuncion...por favor don't open the threads...


Shari, with all due respect, the "infomercial" can and has appeared on any threads regardless of the subject. So, even if I wanted to follow your suggestion, it would leave me not opening essentially ANY thread on this board. This was not a criticism, but an observation, so spare me the usual "if you don't like it, don't read it" malarkey.

DianaT - 1-19-2008 at 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by shari
I have grown to love some RV'ers.....especially the canadian or far north yankee ones!


Opps, I guess geography determines a person's character----interesting. Just another form of bigotry. There are great people and real a$$holes all over the US and Canada -- and both types have appeared in Bahia Asuncion from both places. JMHO

John

honda tom - 1-19-2008 at 07:12 PM

I gather from the original post, that after a gringo builds a place in mexico, the road to that place becomes "their road" and they now have a say on who is welcolme, or not.

Because I got their first! Before those "other types", I should have a say in what happens here in this foreign country.... and I say no big motorhomes, small trailers ok, but not those long fifth wheels either. wow they make a 38 footer on a bumper hitch! no thats too big. and no more than 4 of you on the road at a time!

and as far as your takes on RV groups...

My father and his wife (both in their 70's), love baja! They have the time and the money to travel baja in the winter,for weeks at a time. They have found the safest way at this time, is to travel in groups. It is so nice to read the post from those of you that feel these groups are such a problem. I am sure the mexicans living around you feel much different, and welcolme this type of traveler in the long run EVEN MORE THAN YOU! Oh my god not more than us, the people LOVE US!

Seasonal travelers spend lots of money. and they spread it around.

so think about this..... to the mexicans, the guys that come down for a few weeks here and there are more valuable in the long run than you are.

Gadget - 1-19-2008 at 08:05 PM

All I can say is I hope all of you know what you're in for with the current paving going out there. Like one of the other posts on this thread the BoLA road and most other secondary paved roads in Baja North or South are generally a nightmare. The BoLA road was completly torn up, a raised causeway was built with imported road bed material, rolled and watered and at least 4 inches of paving was put down. IMHO it is a better road than Mex 1. The construction techniques were also due in part to BoLA being the proposed put-in point in the SOC for Escalera Nautica.
We traveled the road out to BA in October and it looks like the typical 2 inches of asphalt over the existing sand road bed, soon to be a pot holed nightmare.
I like the dirt roads and do not like to see one of my favorites paved. But it is not my place to say one way or the other. Many of you know why I like the dirt that have seen our rig.
To Shari and Juan and all the other wonderful folks in BA, I hope my post is completely wrong for the sake of your already abused vehicles.

805gregg - 1-20-2008 at 08:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Bad Roads = Good People...:light:

Good Roads = ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE :o

(Mama Espinoza, El Rosario, 1973):yes:


That's a funny quote, as she gained the most from the road opening the same year.

Barry A. - 1-20-2008 at 02:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Bad Roads = Good People...:light:

Good Roads = ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE :o

(Mama Espinoza, El Rosario, 1973):yes:


That's a funny quote, as she gained the most from the road opening the same year.


805------so, just because Mama E. made some money from the hoards coming down the paved road she can't say what she "believes" in her heart????? I am beginning to see where you are "coming from", and I find it-------ah------ amusing. :lol:

Iflyfish - 1-21-2008 at 04:53 PM

If Diver puts in an RV park, give me space #1 for as long as we can stay.

We have stayed in wonderful, well designed, well landscaped, RV parks accross the US, Mexico and Canada. Without these facilities there is likely to be more use of Generators, inappropriate dumping etc. than if reliable power and infrastructure is available. I know that Asuncion has it's own power plant and water supply.

I have also run into more and more RV travelers who are adventurous and travel "off the grid", fully self contained, who prefer to "boondock", stay on their own outside RV parks. More and more resources i.e. solar panels etc. are available to these RVers. They all however require dumping facilities to purge their gray and black water tanks. Appropriate dumping as well as water and electrical facilities must be available if these rigs are to live compatability in a community.

Appropriate nfrastructure therefore is essential and a person who understand the realities of the needs of these vehicles, i.e. actually using the ground wire in the cable, sewer systems etc. as well as the need for asthetic landscaping, could provide an excellent resource for RVers and the community.

Iflyfish

Barry A. - 1-21-2008 at 05:57 PM

Fish------now THAT is a very sensible response and comment. And, I think you are right, and that is ok with me, despite the pangs of yesteryear that tug at my heart.

barry :)

Iflyfish - 1-21-2008 at 07:59 PM

Barry,

I appreciate your comment.

I have fly fished Quesnel Lake in BC for trout for the past thirty five years. I recall the first few years with no electricity and wood stoves for heat and cooking. Road paved, many new houses, hillsides denuded, Grizzlies retreated into the forest, powerlines, "the entire catastrophy". Each year I told my fishing buddy "these are the good old days". Well, you know what? I took Mrsfish there a year ago and I caught a ten pound Quesnel Lake Trout, a subspecies of the Kamloops, on my five weight fly rod, weighed and released it to fight again. Mrsfish landed it, no small feat for a fish that size with a rod that small. Upon releasing it I turned to Mrsfish and said, "These are the good old days".

Iflyfish

The only constant is change, the only choice we have is our attitude toward it.