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'Bad Banana' Fish Report - And Other Excuses

Pompano - 3-12-2008 at 04:11 PM

fish catch for whole day on water:
3 smallish pintos
1 teenie triggerfish

Trip note: Passenger was found to have stashed a taboo banana in his lunch. Thrown overboard. Banana was consumed. Neptune's forgiveness beseeched for sins of banana smuggler via Tecate offerings.

NOTE: Any further persons bringing bananas aboard will become chum.

[Edited on 3-13-2008 by Pompano]

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bajajudy - 3-12-2008 at 04:37 PM

Man O Man, Pomp
I feel your pain.
Bananas...............no way on my panga.

BTW mother ocean gets the first sip of every beer I drink on a boat....she likes the idea!

Santiago - 3-12-2008 at 05:28 PM

I swear to god this is a true story: last year I take my kid and his college buddy fishing out of San Francisco Bay on a salmon fishing party boat - 5 hours into a complete boat skunk the captain walks around the boat to see what's up eating a frickin' banana. Guys were pulling out their fillet knives, grabbing ropes and screaming about refunds. Cap'n throws the banana peal overboard:no: and says we don't know how to fish and it's just an old wives tale anyway. Jesus Alou - I won't argue about his first observation but I'll sure never fish with him again.

4baja - 3-12-2008 at 06:33 PM

bananas mean nothing on a boat.

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Pompano - 3-12-2008 at 06:37 PM

I have no superstitions at all and scoff at those who do. That's my story and I am sticking to it.

On the other hand, I DO know that BANanas are simply evil...the fruit anti-Christ.

Have you noticed that Fruit of the Loom underwear no longer has them?

DENNIS - 3-12-2008 at 06:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano

Have you noticed that Fruit of the Loom underwear no longer has them?



No.

Pompano - 3-12-2008 at 07:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano
...Have you noticed that Fruit of the Loom underwear no longer has them? :rolleyes:


Damn..I forgot to include that little smiley icon again.

Yesterday, we had a fun day running around after the banana episode. We got lazy, but..we did get up close and personal with 4 beautiful whales who put on quite a show for us with their tails. So it was a successful day on the water, just not a successful fishing day. It happens.


In our case, we were cursed by the banana, naturally.....and the point of all this is:

It's a bum time for fishing now, but not for talking about fishing.

What are some of your good luck charms..or bad luck charms...when out fishing?

Paulina - 3-12-2008 at 07:26 PM



Our yellow panga is named "Chiquita Bonita" and she does pretty good finding fish.

Now regarding you Fruit of the Loom guys...maybe the marketing department felt it unnecessary to include a banana on the label since you provide your own? :biggrin: Two is too many, the other fruit characters would be jealous.

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DENNIS - 3-12-2008 at 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
Damn..I forgot to include that little smiley icon again.



Sorry about the terse reply, Roger. I had to cut it short before I let the subject take over my imagination and get me in trouble.


I see Paulina took over where I had feared to tread. Thanks P.


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roundtuit - 3-12-2008 at 07:39 PM

15 mixed cabril and pinto no bannna :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Wiles - 3-12-2008 at 07:54 PM

Hey Pompano,

A friend of mine won't crawl on a boat without a banana in his duffle bag. A sportfishing Captain his entire adult life, 45 years now. The man can catch fish, serious fish. He taught me alot in the short 10 years I was in the industry.

By far, the majority of hardcore fisherman and Captains can get down right violent if a yellow peel is found aboard.

Here's one. If a terrestial bird lands on your boat (usually a migrating bird that gets blown off shore), it is considered very good luck.

Whales are always good luck.

Wiles - 3-12-2008 at 07:59 PM

So is your 100th post........My lucky day....I mean post.

Paulina - 3-12-2008 at 08:01 PM

Congrats Wiles, there must not be any bananas near your keyboard!

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Wiles - 3-12-2008 at 08:11 PM

You're right Paulina. The keyboard is on the desk, not my lap.:O

Paulina - 3-12-2008 at 08:17 PM

:lol::lol::lol:

TonyC - 3-12-2008 at 09:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Santiago
I swear to god this is a true story: last year I take my kid and his college buddy fishing out of San Francisco Bay on a salmon fishing party boat - 5 hours into a complete boat skunk the captain walks around the boat to see what's up eating a frickin' banana.


Which party boat? A few years ago I was on the Golden Eye fishing for tuna. My buddy brought a friend of his. Nothing went right, what little action we had all came unbuttoned. Later that day my buddy's friend offers us a banana. He brought a freakin hand of bananas. He didn't know, and we didn't tell him....our bad. No excuse for a captain.

Some people don't care about bananas, and that's there deal, but it totally messes with my chi. NO BANANA on my boat.

Don Alley - 3-12-2008 at 09:29 PM

A local captain recently told us that the secret to a good day's fishing was to take apples. Don't eat them until on the way home.

Iflyfish - 3-13-2008 at 12:38 AM

I go bananas over fishing.

Iflyfish

Pompano - 3-13-2008 at 07:33 AM

When flyfishing trout, I never carry a black cat across the stream.

Santiago - 3-13-2008 at 08:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano
When flyfishing trout, I never carry a black cat across the stream.


Hey Pomp - that reminds me - my nieghbor ties a mean streamer that's deadly float-tubing in Sierra lakes from the hair of his lab. He calls them "El Dorado Bad Dogs". Looks like a #6 or #8 scud.

TonyC: can't remember the boat but it was out of the Emerville Marina.

Paula - 3-13-2008 at 08:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
A local captain recently told us that the secret to a good day's fishing was to take apples. Don't eat them until on the way home.


Don is withholding part of the info here.

Specifically, it was two shiny red apples. Not just any old apples.

Hope this ancient secret ju-ju makes someone's day:biggrin:

Don Alley - 3-13-2008 at 08:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Paula

Don is withholding part of the info here....


Oh, great, next you'll give away the location of my Secret Spots.

:lol:

Some more maritime superstitions:

Skipjack Joe - 3-13-2008 at 02:24 PM

Never start a voyage on the first Monday in April.
This is the day that Cain slew Able.

Don’t start a voyage on the second Monday in August.
This is the day sondom & gommrrah was destroyed.

Starting a cruise on Dec. 31 is bad.
This is the day Judas Iscariat hanged himself.

Black traveling bags are bad luck for a seaman.
Black is the color of death and indicative of the depths of the sea.

Avoid people with red hair when going to the ship to begin a journey.
Red heads bring bad luck to a ship, which can be averted if you speak to the red-head before they speak to you.

Never say good luck or allow someone to say good luck to you unanswered.
If someone says “good luck” to you, it is most assuredly a bad omen and sure to bring about bad luck. The only way this can be countered is by drawing blood. A swift punch in the nose is usually sufficient to reverse this curse.

Avoid Flat-footed people when beginning a trip.
They, like red heads, are bad luck. The danger can be avoided by speaking to them before they speak to you.

A stolen piece of wood mortised into the keel will make a ship sail faster.

A silver coin placed under the masthead ensures a successful voyage.

Disaster will follow if you step onto a boat with your Left Foot first.

Pouring wine on the deck will bring good luck on a long voyage.
An offering to the gods.

Throwing stones into the sea will cause great waves and storms.
A sign of disrespect to the sea, ensuring retaliation in the form of stormy seas.

A stone thrown over a vessel that is putting out to sea ensures she will never return.
A sign of disrespect to the sea, dooming the ship and all aboard.

Flowers are unlucky onboard a ship.
They could later be used to make a funeral wreath for the dead, therefore, becoming a symbol that someone could die on the voyage.

Priests are not lucky to have on a ship.
They dress in black and perform funeral services. They are a symbol of possible death and anything that makes you think of death or dying is a bad omen.

Don’t look back once your ship has left port as this can bring bad luck.
Looking back to port implies that you are not truly ready to brave the seas and complete your voyage, bringing about bad luck on yourself and the ship.

A dog seen near fishing tackle is bad luck.

Black cats are considered good luck and will bring a sailor home from the sea.
While black is the color of death, and black bags or clothing are harbingers of doom, black cats are considered lucky on the sea. Mostly this is believed to be the result of the opposite effect of land based superstition, where a black cat is unlucky.

Swallows seen at sea are a good sign.
Swallows are a land based bird and seeing them at sea implies that land is near and your prospects are clear.

Sighting a curlew at sea is considered bad luck.

A cormorant sighted at sea is bad luck.

Dolphins swimming with the ship are a sign of good luck.
Dolphins are considered a sacred friend of fishermen, they have the good fortunes of man in mind and their presence indicates that you are under their protection.

It is unlucky to kill an albatross.
They host the soul of dead sailors and are considered to be an omen of bad luck at sea, especially if killed.

It is unlucky to kill a gull.
They also contain the souls of sailors lost at sea.

Handing a flag thru the rungs of a ladder is bad luck.

Loosening a mop or bucket overboard is a sign of bad luck.

Repairing a flag on the quarterdeck will bring bad luck.

Turning over a hatch will cause the hold to fill with seawater.

Cutting your hair or nails at sea is bad luck.
These were used as offerings to Proserpina, and Neptune will become jealous if these offerings are made while in his kingdom.

Church Bells heard at sea mean someone on the ship will die.

St. Elmo’s Fire around a sailors head means he will die within a day.

When the clothes of a dead sailor are worn by another sailor during the same voyage, misfortune will befall the entire ship.

If the rim of a glass rings stop it quickly or there will be a shipwreck.

Never say the word Drowned at sea.

The caul of the head of a new-born child is protection against drowning and will bring the owner good luck.

The feather of a wren slain on New Years Day, will protect a sailor from dying by shipwreck.

A ships bell will always ring when it is wrecked.

A shark following the ship is a sign of inevitable death.
Sharks were believed to be able to sense those near death.

A sailor who died from violence or being lost at sea was said to go to “Davy Jone’s Locker”.

A sailor with over 50 years of service was said to go to “Fiddler’s Green” when he died.

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I think most of these superstitions are nonsense. All except one. The one that says you will have bad luck if someone wishes you 'good luck' for the trip itself. I've tested this many times and indeed it is true. The only antitode I've discovered is to turn away and spit shortly after the remark is passed. That has worked for me, although not always.

bajajudy - 3-13-2008 at 02:59 PM

Never whistle on a sail boat or you will whistle up more wind than you need.

GOOD LUCK - the reversed curse

Skipjack Joe - 3-13-2008 at 03:45 PM

I once made the mistake of telling one of my companions about my belief in this superstition. There was a group of us staying in Los Barriles on this trip many years ago.

The following morning at breakfast each one in our group made a point of walking by my table with a broad smile on their kisser and wished me good luck. Well, it didn't work. That day I did real well on yellowfin tuna.

My conclusion was that this curse only works if said by someone who is unaware of it's power. You see, the power comes from beyond. No mortal can willingly invoke it.

Don't play around with Posiedon.

Pompano - 3-13-2008 at 04:22 PM

Since I was a young kid on my first fishing boat, I was always amazed at the sheer number of superstitions and myths surrounding this industry and sport. It's a dangerous way to make a buck, and even with all the modern technology available to today's commercial fishermen...and to the sporting angler...almost all I know still pay very strict attention to some timeless beliefs that are as old as seafaring itself. Confronting rough weather which results in higher mortality rates than any other profession, most multi-generation fishermen will use any tool/technique/superstition at hand to ensure luck=fish=success. Once out there, you need a full warbag.

Besides, it's all fun! Life is way too serious to be taken seriously.

Good list, Igor! Lots of nationalities represented there.

For myself, I don't wish anyone good luck before a fishing or hunting trip...sometimes we will say 'Bad Rice', something we picked up from Japanese fishermen. Rubbing a red-headed kid's noggin will bring me good luck. Eating a banana cream pie before a fishing day is a no-no (and I know someone who makes a killer pie!). Dolphins have always shown me the way. Whales are known pots of gold...even dead floaters. Albatross are too be avoided at all costs...lest they become the anchor around your neck.

Here's one of the most common beliefs:

A Woman on Board is Bad Luck.

Most any old salt will tell you that having a woman aboard is bad luck. Most likely stemming from old maritime sailing days of the English Navy..where discipline reigned supreme. It was traditionally believed that women were not as physically or emotionally capable as men. Therefore, they had no place at sea. It was also observed that when women were aboard, men were prone to distraction or other vices that may take away from their duties. This, among other things, would anger the seas and doom the ship.

Interestingly enough, there is a way to counter this effect. While having a woman on board would anger the sea, having a “naked” woman on board would calm the sea. Imagine that. This is why many vessels have a figure of a woman on the bow of the ship, this figure almost always being bare-breasted. It was believed that a woman’s bare breasts would “shame” the stormy seas into calm. Ah, the ancient power of female nudity. Hey..that works for me! Next boat will have a regular Dolly Parton up front.

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Skipjack Joe - 3-13-2008 at 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
Next boat will have a regular Dolly Parton up front.


As Benny Hill once said parodying a german on his show: grossen ta taasen.

Oso - 3-13-2008 at 09:40 PM

What I wanna know is how United Fruit Company gets any sailors to man its ships, i.e.; "Banana boats" to ship those bananas from the "Banana Republics" to the U..S. and other markets. If they're such bad luck, why don't these ships end up on the rocks all the time?

Day-O, He say Day-O, daylight come an me wan go home.

Paulina - 3-13-2008 at 09:44 PM

Oso,

Maybe they're all topless women sailors?

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TonyC - 3-13-2008 at 10:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oso
What I wanna know is how United Fruit Company gets any sailors to man its ships, i.e.; "Banana boats" to ship those bananas from the "Banana Republics" to the U..S. and other markets. If they're such bad luck, why don't these ships end up on the rocks all the time?

Day-O, He say Day-O, daylight come an me wan go home,
cuz me git bit by a spideo.

I heard that's where the banana bad luck thing started. Spiders on board with the bananas, or maybe they weren't fishing.:biggrin:

'Come mistah tolly-mon, tolly me ba-non-a.

Pompano - 3-14-2008 at 06:48 AM

...Daylight she come and me wan go home.'

Somehow I doubt old Belafonte ever toted a load of bananas on his back, but the song brings to mind the banana republics and boat scenes.

There were certain dangers involved with these banana boats. During the heyday of the Spanish South Atlantic and Caribbean trading empire, it was noted that nearly every ship that disappeared and did not reach it's destination was carrying a cargo of bananas....and thus started the banana legend.

How come? Some theories:

- As mentioned the ships were fast..maybe too fast for safety in some waters...plus too fast to fish while underway.

- Given the lack of inspections back then, we can suppose that lots of critters came aboard with the fruit. Imagine the thrill of waking up with a bunch of tarantulas..or some truly deadly spiders..scampering around your hammock in the fo'csle. Crewmen dying of a lethal spider bite, plus the cargo being thrown overboard, would certainly be cause enough to have started the banana curse.

- Another theory is that bananas carried aboard slave ships fermented and gave off methane gas, which would be trapped below deck. Anyone in the hold, including cargoes of imprisoned humanity, would succumb to the poisoned air, and anyone trying to climb down into the hold to help them would fall prey to the dangerous gas.

'Day-O...Day-O, fear the banana and love duh apple.'

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Bajagypsy - 3-14-2008 at 12:41 PM

Everyone knows that you have to paint your toe nails, and dipy your feet in the water in order to catch fish!:dudette:

aha baja - 3-14-2008 at 04:33 PM

Does this thread refer to "is that a banana in your boat or are you just happy your "rod" has "hooked up"?:rolleyes:

Jinx

Skipjack Joe - 3-14-2008 at 06:44 PM

In connection to this thread, Roger, no one has mentioned the role of the 'jinx' in fishing. Everywhere I've traveled people have a word for this and therefore must believe in it. I'll bet the Mexicans do too.

It seemed to be more common in my younger years. That is, sharing a boat with a group of people during a particularly unsuccessful outing and having them all stare daggers at you.

The jinx is usually someone who just doesn't belong socially anyway. Sometimes the youngest in the group. Often a fellow that just doesn't have a knack for fishing.

I thought about the whole thing last night and decided it has a lot in common with those early American witch hunts you read about in history books. Whenever things got real tough for those colonists and people needed an outlet they would hunt up some poor soul, invent something or other about her (e.g. fornicating with the devil) and off to the gallows. It made the townfolks feel better. Well, the jinx serves the same person: someone to blame when you're having a bad day on the water.

It must suck to be a jinx.

A famous 'Jinx'

Pompano - 3-14-2008 at 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
In connection to this thread, Roger, no one has mentioned the role of the 'jinx'....

...I thought about the whole thing last night and decided it has a lot in common with those early American witch hunts you read about in history books. Whenever things got real tough for those colonists and people needed an outlet they would hunt up some poor soul, invent something or other about her (e.g. fornicating with the devil) and off to the gallows. It made the townfolks feel better. Well, the jinx serves the same person: someone to blame when you're having a bad day on the water.

It must suck to be a jinx.


Igor, indeed, unlike the early superstitious colonists, the enlightened today will know those New England witch trials were 'jinxed' by the supposed 'hex' cast on them by the accused and soon-to-die unfortunates. I liken those events to our modern-day political witch hunts being conducted as we type...ha!..now there's a real bunch of 'Jonahs'! :yes:

Here's a notable example of a jinx that seemed to curse 3 huge ships:

A certain Violet Jessup was employed by the famous White Star Lines in the early 1900's. First a stewardress aboard RMS Olympic, sistership of the Titanic, she barely survived the flooding of this new vessel when it ran into another ship.

Next she crewed on the Titanic itself. She survived by having had a baby thrust upon her and being shoved into one of the first lifeboats.

Next, Violet was aboard the Brittanic, the third and final vessel of the Olympic class. The ship was torpedoed and sank. Violet again escaped death...even after her lifeboat was sucked into the ship's giant propellors.

She outlived all three vessels and died in 1971 at age 83...called a jinx throughout her life.

Now that must have REALLY sucked.

Now...I know Mexican pangueros are as superstitious as the rest of us. Remember the story of the Golden Grouper?

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mulegemichael - 3-22-2008 at 12:54 PM

A panguero I once fished with in La Ribera had us all throw a 5 or 10 peso note overboard an hour or so into our day claiming it would bring us good luck....can't really tell if it worked as we were doing o.k. as it was..I do now carry change with me when fishing and find myself flipping a coin occasionally.