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Baja desert mushrooms

Graham - 3-22-2008 at 11:52 AM

Hello Sharksbaja,

Following up your mushroom question... Whenever I head to Baja my wife tells me to keep an eye open for desert fungi.

Who would think there are mushrooms in the desert?

This is an example of a dried Podaxis pistillaris we found near LA Bay. The locals call it Moco del Burro, burro snot.

And this is a collection of desert mushrooms she recently displayed at the San Diego Mycological Society Mushroom Fair.

Graham

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Podaxis pistillaris

Graham - 3-22-2008 at 11:53 AM



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Santiago - 3-22-2008 at 12:07 PM

Wow - what kind of places will they grow?

BMG - 3-22-2008 at 12:09 PM

So, are these fungi edible, poisonous or just for recreational purposes?

Sharksbaja - 3-22-2008 at 12:20 PM

Thank you sir! Fantastic display. I've spent thousands of hours trekking thru forests looking for the exotic edibles. I currently possess over eighty pure strains(cultures) of wild choice edibles. When I can spend more time seeking the mother of all mushrooms I'll dig deeper into Bajas' offerings.

I am certainly envious of someone who can spend so much time in the backcountry. Kudus.
Seems Iam in need of an altitude fix so I can look for saprophytes in the trees of Baja. What time of year did you find the Fly Agaric?

I see there are a good number of puffballs in the collection. I can't close in on those ugly black things on the lower left. Are they a bolete of some sort. If you could be so kind. Thanks for the post!

Sharksbaja - 3-22-2008 at 12:25 PM

Here is a beautiful book my sister sent me from Cornwall.

Interesting how many of the same species are found here. Think it's all the rain?:lol:

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Shrooms

tehag - 3-22-2008 at 03:12 PM

One of those fungi looks remarkably like a scorpion.

bacquito - 3-22-2008 at 03:55 PM

It does not look like burro snot to me. Can you eat it?

Too much information??

Graham - 3-22-2008 at 05:30 PM

Hello all--Graham said I could jump in under his sign-on name and answer a few queries that have come up. Here goes, to those who care to read on!

Bonni M.


??Wow - what kind of places will they grow?

Fungi are opportunists in the desert as anywhere. They "fruit" after sufficient rains hit areas such as washes, where layers rich in organic debris that can support their growth have been deposited. They can arise basically anywhere though over the desert floor, so just keep your eyes peeled.

San Diego itself is mostly desert, and a number of these came from San Diego County between 10 to 20 miles inland. Others came from Borrego Springs (disturbed land in a friend's backyard) and Indio, in a lot about to be paved over.


??So, are these fungi edible, poisonous or just for recreational purposes?

Most of these in the display are inedible due to their woody toughness. The Podaxis, called the "desert shaggy mane," is edible when fresh (specimen in Graham's hand and in the rear of the exhibit are too dried-out, the state one usually encounters them in), but a respected friend, author of "In the Company of Mushrooms," ate a fresh one a few years ago and reported it was not worthwhile. None are listed as poisonous or hallucinogenic--very much for recreation however--the joy of getting out and looking.


??What time of year did you find the Fly Agaric?

Search during the monsoon periods amongst the ponderosa and Jeffrey pines, fir trees, and other conifer forests. This seems to peak in August. Look under hummocks of pine needles. Of course, they may be indicators of Boletus edulis!!


??I see there are a good number of puffballs in the collection. I can't close in on those ugly black things on the lower left. Are they a bolete of some sort. If you could be so kind. ?

These puffballs are "stalked puffballs," gasteromycetes apart from the common and giant puffball genera: Batterea stevenii, Tulostoma brumale group, and Chlamydopus meyenianus I think are represented. The grayish dark stuff in the lower left is the remains of a volva (**Moderator--do not edit this out, it is a remnant sac-like structure at the base of some fungal species) on the Batterea. If I can find the photo of it freshly plucked, I'll send it.

The "gastroid agarics" pictured develop spore masses under a papery cap that eventually crumbles to passively discharge the spores. There are platey structures for spore production that can remain after the cap is gone and that is what the black odd-looking things are in the lower RIGHT corner. I had to shrink the photos so much to send that they are not good for enlarging. Pictured in this group is the P pistillaris, Montagnea arenarius and Longula texensis (the black one).


!!beautiful book my sister sent me from Cornwall.

We have that book too, as well as Phillips' counterpart for North American fungi. Graham and I managed to mushroom hunt in England over New Years and many fungi are universal, many distinctly different.


!!looks remarkably like a scorpion.

Found dead in a friend's drained swimming pool when they returned to their vacation home. Supposed to lend a bit of atmosphere to the desert display.


Dried out, beat up Montagnea from LA Bay showing plated tops:

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marv sherrill - 3-22-2008 at 05:41 PM

Very informative - I wouldn't use the Europe Mushroon id book over here - too many variables - also
The taste test in definitive to distinguish between a toadstool (poisoness) and a mushroom (edible).

Never believe one who got a C+ in a Poisoness and Edible Plants Course

Truth Flies Like an Arrow
Fruit Flies Like a Banana

Freshly plucked

Graham - 3-22-2008 at 05:57 PM

Here it is Sharksbaja,

The black stuff is soil adhering to the volva of this Batterea stevnii, picked by Graham from our excited next-door neighbor's desert/succulent garden:

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Sharksbaja - 3-22-2008 at 07:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by marv sherrill
Very informative - I wouldn't use the Europe Mushroon id book over here - too many variables - also
The taste test in definitive to distinguish between a toadstool (poisoness) and a mushroom (edible).

Never believe one who got a C+ in a Poisoness and Edible Plants Course

Truth Flies Like an Arrow
Fruit Flies Like a Banana


Very correct Marv. The pictures are what make the book. My bible would be " Mushrooms Demystified". An excellent comprehensive book suitable for all.
I would recommend only sampling wild mushrooms with someone who has good working knowledge of fungus. Some species are identical in many respects and only discernable with lab equipment.

Thank you Bonnie, nice of you to give a thorough and informative post. Don't want to bore folks anymore with my "other" passion, but when I find that mystical mushroom in Baja I'll post a pic of it.:lol:

Finding the elusive mushrooms

Graham - 3-22-2008 at 07:44 PM

You might want to begin a search in La Grulla meadow when you are in the Sierra SPM some summer.

Bonni

David K - 3-23-2008 at 05:14 PM

This is just great to see and read!

Thanks Graham and Bonni!

BajaNomad - 3-23-2008 at 09:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Graham
...The grayish dark stuff in the lower left is the remains of a volva (**Moderator--do not edit this out, it is a remnant sac-like structure at the base of some fungal species)...

:lol:


Bonni - and Graham - the information was incredibly interesting. Thanks so much for sharing - including the photos.

Regards,
--
Doug Means

Taste not definitive

Graham - 3-24-2008 at 04:12 PM

Thanks Doug,

Gotta hand it to Bonni... she has really educated me about desert mushrooms.
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Marv, I may be misreading what you say above, but your reference to the taste test as being a definitive way to distinguish between poisonous "toadstools" and edible mushrooms is a bit dangerous.

Before anyone else misunderstands and acts on that advice, I think it fair to say that some of the most deadly mushrooms have little or no taste or may even be delicious, and ingesting even a portion of a cap may be enough to cause severe sickness, necessitate a liver transplant, or cause death.

For example in Mushrooms Demystified, this is what David Arora states about the "deadly poisonous" Amanita phalloides (Death Cap), which typically causes one or two deaths in California every year: "The flavor... is described by survivors as excellent."

Graham

Skipjack Joe - 3-24-2008 at 04:31 PM

One of David's greatest qualities is his sense of humor (humour to you). It's one of the first things that jump out at you when you meet him - that, and an apparent reluctance to use a razor.

marv sherrill - 3-24-2008 at 05:54 PM

Sorry Graham - just a little tongue and cheek humor - Guess that's why the Pharoes had official tasters.....

Cardon - 3-24-2008 at 07:06 PM

Although I don't know why, a few years ago a friend and I attended a slide show presentation on mushrooms(accompanied by wonderful music) by a guy named Taylor Lockwood. The show was so wonderful the entire room erupted with applause frequently during the showing.
Check out some of Taylor Lockwood's wonderful fungi photography here:

http://www.fungiphoto.com/CTLG/SYS1/A.impct.html

Graham - 3-26-2008 at 04:27 PM

(from Bonni)

Thanks for all the interest expressed in fungi. I hope Don Jorge finds that wonderous "something new" (and even many kinds of them) on his future treks through the desert. It might actually hook one into a new hobby--especially if someone is out there already as a birdwatcher, rockhound or botany buff.

By the way, as curator of the desert mushroom display for the San Diego Mycological Society, if anyone collects nice specimens (whole, dried) in the desert and wants to donate them to our exhibit I'd love to know about it. The mushrooms could also possibly end up in the San Diego Natural History Museum herbarium if you can write down exactly where (GPS is great, but not essential) and when you collected it. One can email us though Graham's website. It doesn't hurt to ask!

I hope people check out the amazing link about Taylor Lockwood that Cardon brought us, because just opening it could blow your minds! The luminous colors in his fungus photos show how some species rival wild flowers in beauty. Our 11th annual mushroom fair in SD (in Balboa Park every Feb.) held last month featured Taylor giving his fantastic presentation. I especially appreciate the impression you shared Cardon.

And thanks Marv--Graham and I figured you were jesting, but we feel responsible on this thread lest anyone wants to try a wild mushroom. For myself when I got into this hobby, I never thought I would try a wild mushroom. I recall it took me three years of somehwat intense study to get up the gumption to eat one, and since then it's been a lot of enjoyment of gourmet food for free!

The key is studying with people who know (experts), only eating things that are positively identified, cooking all wild mushrooms thoroughly and only eating a small portion initially--if you are not sickened by a particular nonpoisonous mushroom type, only then try a larger serving. Remember, anyone can react negatively to any species despite "edibility," even store-bought! Mushrooms have proteins that can be very indigestible and very unpleasant to the GI tract--so, better less eaten than more in these cases.

And Skipjack--in case you were referring to Graham (and not David??) as I suspect--Yes, his sense of humor is definitely one of his best qualities (kept us together nearly 15 years so far). He also has finally lost that "beard" after he returned home from almost 3 months in England in January. Look for the reformed, clean-shaven Graham Mackintosh in future...he's still hilarious thankfully.

Bonni

Taco de Baja - 3-26-2008 at 04:53 PM

So this Mushroom walks into a bar, sits down and orders a cold one.
The Bartender says, "We don't serve your kind here, get out!"

And the Mushroom says....













"But, I'm a fun guy"

David K - 3-26-2008 at 09:03 PM

That's baaaad!

Funnier stuff will be heard tomorrow night (Thu. 7pm) at Discover Baja with Graham's show and book launch.

Natalie Ann - 4-4-2008 at 06:25 PM

Looking through some pictures taken in the desert outside Mulege... puff ball in the wild:



Nena

Graham - 4-4-2008 at 07:36 PM

(from Bonni)

Hello Nena-

Yes, that is a "fresher" Podaxis pistillaris, compared to the one initially pictured, which has a dried, burnished character. The very freshest ones are still supple and are creamier in color with tan shingles/scales on the cap.

Besides being known as burro snot (at least around Bahia de LA), the same fellow who told me that also said burros munch them when fresh. I can believe it, seeing what else they eat in the desert.

I may ask to lift your photo for the museum archives as an FYI. Can you tell me what time of year it was fruiting and which year?? Thanks.

Natalie Ann - 4-4-2008 at 08:13 PM

Bonni -

That photo was taken 19 Feb 2004, outside Mulege as we headed toward the Valle Trinidad to see the cave paintings.

Of course you may take it for the museum archives.
If you pass your curser over the image, right click, go to properties, you'll see the pbase address of the photo. I believe you can download it directly from there. If that doesn't work, send me a u2u with your private email address and I'll send it to you there. And hey, thanks for asking.

hmmmm..... burros snot. :barf::lol:

Nena

Sharksbaja - 4-4-2008 at 08:44 PM

Good eye Nena! I like the natural camoflage.

Natalie Ann - 4-4-2008 at 10:15 PM

Yep, Sharksy, I've got a pretty good eye for 'shrooms. Grew up hunting morels in the wilds of northwest Illinois with my grandma... been looking down ever since. Many interesting items down there.

Nena

[Edited on 4-5-2008 by Natalie Ann]

Graham - 4-5-2008 at 09:09 AM

Thanks Nena, from Bonni--

I lifted the image just fine using the right clicker.

Funny you mentioned NW Illinois--not far away I attended NIU in DeKalb and always enjoyed the northern Illinois and Wisconsin woods growing up in a camping family.