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Tips for Panga Fishing

Diver - 3-26-2008 at 09:01 AM

Just thinking a bit after the "tipping" post;

What should you expect from you pangero ?
And what should cost more - or is worth a tip ?

Guides should;
1. Be proficient boat operators that try to keep you dry.
2. Offer suggestions on lures or tackle for the location.
3. Offer suitable rods/reels for rental.
4. Help tie-on lures and leaders if help is needed.
5. Clean your fish for a tip or fee ??
6. Do their best to put you on the fish.
7. Get a tip for a GREAT fishing day.
8. Treat clients with respect.
9. Offer lures at replacement cost if they are lost.
10.

Clients should;
1. Bring their own gear when possible or if you're picky.
2. Don't act like you know it all.
3. Treat your guide with respect.
4. Clean up your trash or messes.
5. Keep your gear tidy - don't take over the boat.
6. Ask if you don't know - or follow your guide's lead.
7. Bring your own bevs and snacks.
8. Thank your guide for his help or advice.
9. Help with launching and landing.
10.Bring/wear suitable clothes to be comfy.
11.Tip for fish cleaning ? Unless you leave most of the fish ?
12. Replace lost lures or pay the local cost asap. (not 3 months later when the fishing is now !)

Feel free to add to or offer a differing opinion for any of my suggestions.
.

[Edited on 3-26-2008 by Diver]

DENNIS - 3-26-2008 at 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by Diver

11.Tip for fish cleaning ?

Ivan Villarino, who runs the three boat fleet in Punta Banda, figuered this one out a long time ago. The customer pays for each fish cleaned.
Now, how simple is that?

Osprey - 3-26-2008 at 09:11 AM

Diver, I can tell you what pangeros don't want:
1. Guys with handheld GPS who say "Pally, take me to 110, 44, 21 and 23, 43, 54 will ya. Did real good there 4 years ago."
2. Guys who wear Sosin Big Bill hats
3. Guys with trolling rigs AND flyrods
4. Guys with coolers full of Gucci water and 2 Heinekens
5. Guys who always reset trolled lures waaay waaay back
6. Guys who reset drags after the pangero
7. Guys (like me) who shout "Marlin, Marlin" after they spot lobos, turtles, buckets, whales, dolphin, rays, buoys, etc.

DianaT - 3-26-2008 at 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Diver, I can tell you what pangeros don't want:

3. Guys with trolling rigs AND flyrods

Opps, when our one son comes down flyfishing is the only thing he wants to do---guess he won't be popular. :lol:

Osprey - 3-26-2008 at 09:21 AM

No Trotters, fly rods are good these day, it's just that the combo causes extra work and worry for the guides when the fisherMEN try to use both at once. In fact everybody loves flyguys -- every flyguy on every airline seat is taking up the space a regular fisherman might use -- the flyguy will mostly release everything, the other guy might have humongous coolers in the luggage bay just waiting for anything to bite.

DianaT - 3-26-2008 at 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by Osprey
No Trotters, fly rods are good these day, it's just that the combo causes extra work and worry for the guides when the fisherMEN try to use both at once. In fact everybody loves flyguys -- every flyguy on every airline seat is taking up the space a regular fisherman might use -- the flyguy will mostly release everything, the other guy might have humongous coolers in the luggage bay just waiting for anything to bite.

Ah, I see the AND in caps----catch and release is almost all he does---no need for a cooler---well a cooler for fish, that is. :lol:

wsdunc - 3-26-2008 at 12:06 PM

I like to bring enough food and drink for the guide also. Even though the guide is working, and I am paying, I feel more comfortable treating him like a friend. We are sharing a day together. He's welcome to try out any lure in my tackle box that catches his fancy, try out a rod and reel combo, whatever. I hope it to be an enjoyable day for him too.

DENNIS - 3-26-2008 at 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by wsdunc
I like to bring enough food and drink for the guide also. Even though the guide is working, and I am paying, I feel more comfortable treating him like a friend. We are sharing a day together. He's welcome to try out any lure in my tackle box that catches his fancy, try out a rod and reel combo, whatever. I hope it to be an enjoyable day for him too.

Maybe he should give YOU a tip.

vandenberg - 3-26-2008 at 12:28 PM

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Maybe he should give YOU a tip.

Don't play the horses

Don't cross the street against the red light :?:

Don't take no wooden nickels :?:

Iflyfish - 3-26-2008 at 12:34 PM

Most guides I have fished with provide the tackle, though I prefer my own. I will often choose a guide, if I don't have tackle, based upon what he or she is using. If they have good tackle it shows me that they know something about what they are doing and value quality. Poor quality tackle can ruin a good trip.

I like to clarify the food and drink issue before getting in the boat. I happily share what I have and have had some of the best tacos, tamales etc. on the chuck supplied by the captain. I see this as a menu of options offered by captains, half/full day, lunch/no lunch, drinks/no drinks, tackle/no tackle, bait/no bait, who pays for bait, replace tackle/don't replace tackle, charge for cleaning/don't charge for cleaning, keep/release, give fish to captain/keep for self. These are all negotiable components of a trip and I like to be clear about them before leaving port. A good captain will be able to provide for a variety of clients from newbies to accomplished fishermen and adjust fees and services according to the needs of his/her clients.

Iflyfish

Skipjack Joe - 3-26-2008 at 12:39 PM

Guides should:

1. Be happy and willing to release fish. As opposed to grumbling and giving you the evil eye.

2. Be actively pursuing fish all day rather than give you a "boat ride" after the first couple of hours.

3. Give advice when asked for but not force his ideas of what constitutes a good fishing day upon you (e.g. a boatfull of dead cabrilla).

4. If compensated with cash he should be willing to fish outside of his normal fishing grounds when client asks.

5. He should tell client how experienced he's with flyfishermen BEFORE leaving the dock.

6. Give an honest appraisal of recent fishing, including species, sizes, and counts, BEFORE booking the client. How often were you expecting white seabass when the guide knew with total certainty that you were going to be getting nothing but calicos and sheepshead.

P.S. Regarding propinas (tips). If a guide is working for a resort which is paying him virtually nothing other than the gas and lunch then I think the client should be made aware of this and give more generously than to a self employed guide who is pocketing the entire fee in addition to the tip. I don't think this distinction was brought up on the thread about tipping.

[Edited on 3-26-2008 by Skipjack Joe]

pascuale - 3-26-2008 at 02:14 PM

Next person who drives by encinitas on their way to ascuncion, I have a new gaff for Juan. Let me know, He needs one. Drop by or i can meet.
Ethan

pascuale - 3-26-2008 at 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diver
Just thinking a bit after the "tipping" post;

What should you expect from you pangero ?
And what should cost more - or is worth a tip ?

Guides should;
1. Be proficient boat operators that try to keep you dry.
2. Offer suggestions on lures or tackle for the location.
3. Offer suitable rods/reels for rental.
4. Help tie-on lures and leaders if help is needed.
5. Clean your fish for a tip or fee ??
6. Do their best to put you on the fish.
7. Get a tip for a GREAT fishing day.
8. Treat clients with respect.
9. Offer lures at replacement cost if they are lost.
10.

Clients should;
1. Bring their own gear when possible or if you're picky.
2. Don't act like you know it all.
3. Treat your guide with respect.
4. Clean up your trash or messes.
5. Keep your gear tidy - don't take over the boat.
6. Ask if you don't know - or follow your guide's lead.
7. Bring your own bevs and snacks.
8. Thank your guide for his help or advice.
9. Help with launching and landing.
10.Bring/wear suitable clothes to be comfy.
11.Tip for fish cleaning ? Unless you leave most of the fish ?
12. Replace lost lures or pay the local cost asap. (not 3 months later when the fishing is now !)

Feel free to add to or offer a differing opinion for any of my suggestions.
.

[Edited on 3-26-2008 by Diver]

I like it all and agree.

man there is nothing i hate more than setting the lines out only to have some idiot try to secretly let more line out as if the fish were going to hit his lure first because it was farther back. Then of course when we turn on a meter mark the lines tangle up, and not a single troll rod is hit, school gone, nobody knows why. that man should be thrown overboard. :lol:

vandenberg - 3-26-2008 at 02:50 PM

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man there is nothing i hate more than setting the lines out only to have some idiot try to secretly let more line out as if the fish were going to hit his lure first because it was farther back. Then of course when we turn on a meter mark the lines tangle up, and not a single troll rod is hit, school gone, nobody knows why. that man should be thrown overboard. :lol:

Funny thing. I do troll for dorado a lot here around Loreto. I always make fun of my better half, who thinks that more line gets you closer to the fish, by asking her why?? she likes fishing in La Paz or Guaymas. :?:

But, for some reason, she always catches more fish then I or anybody else on board. Go figure !! :no:

[Edited on 3-26-2008 by vandenberg]

TonyC - 3-26-2008 at 02:53 PM

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That's how I roll, and the way I see it. I have not had the pleasure to stay at Shari's, or fish with Jaun, but I liked what she had to say, with regards to her take on things. Sounds like my kind of people.

Capt. George - 3-26-2008 at 03:18 PM

Get good Health Insurance for a back operation. Pangas! Great ride?? Yeah, right....................

Cap'n g

DianaT - 3-26-2008 at 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Capt. George
Get good Health Insurance for a back operation. Pangas! Great ride?? Yeah, right....................

Cap'n g

IMHO pangas are quite uncomfortable, but tolerable---except at one of the lagoons where we have whale watched, we were the only clients in the panga with two drivers. They insisted we ride in the front and drove like maniacs over the rough water---they showed no consideration at all, unlike our experiences elsewhere where the drivers have always shown concern for the clients.

So now we only will go whale watching at the other two lagoons. :yes:

Oh, we certainly did NOT tip them for the experience.

Still believe that as with any business, the fees for services for chartering a fishing expedition should be upfront and clear as to what is included in that price----and tipping someone above and beyond that with cash or gifts is also appropriate, but not always.

The operator is free to set their fees in a range that will well cover all of their expenses and time. The fisherman is free to accept the fee or move on. Then any tips received become a welcomed extra.

Over the two threads it is quite clear that many people have different expectations on both sides of the business deal. Diver laid out his expectations----it is clear, and clarity and honesty can make for very sucessful business dealings. Mystery in doing business leads to many minunderstands, JMHO.

Diane

[Edited on 3-26-2008 by jdtrotter]

[Edited on 3-26-2008 by jdtrotter]

Osprey - 3-26-2008 at 07:47 PM

Well, well, well. Seems there are several kinds of pangas. You were unaware perhaps? Very heavy ARCA Shroyer old 22s like mine won't hurt your back in any kind of weather -- rather fish in mine than in any 34 ft cruiser in certain kinds of water. Mag bay crab pangas are true skiffs and will leave you needing a laminectomy after only a few bay miles in a little chop. Todos Santos 24s are for 90HP, rounded and ready for rough seas and hard landings but buck like the broncos they were modeled after. For every venue there is a style adapted over time by local fishermen. When you judge, be careful what boat your butt is in before you blame them all.

Iflyfish - 3-26-2008 at 08:30 PM

I have now purchased one of these portable back braces, nylon and folds up flat. It's the lack of back support that does in this old burro.

Great post Diver! Clear expectations. Best for all involved. Now if I could just get a line in the water!

Iflyfish

shari - 3-26-2008 at 09:59 PM

Wow, how cool would that be if a client brought lunch for the guide...I always pack lots of extra tacos for Juan as he always offers them to his clients...who are always starving of course..I ask clients if they want me to send a lunch and most refuse but eat what I send anyway...ha! Replacing lost lures is very important as a rapalla here costs around $250-$30...and a cool cerveza is a great idea too...most guides won't bring beer as it might look bad but they sure would accept it if offered by the client. Also helping with launching and landing and pulling up the dinghy would be lovely too...I often help Juan pull it up while a client watches!!!!! It's smart to be prepared with a jacket etc...we often end up lending jackets, coolers, gear etc. I really liked skipjacks comments.

Alan - 3-27-2008 at 06:54 AM

Diver makes a good attempt at providing some basic guidelines but I really don't agree with #7 and #9 of the guide's responsibilities. I realize it is difficult not to be generous when your arms are still shaking from pulling on fish non-stop, but tipping should not be based on success but rather how hard the guide worked to put you on fish. Whether they bite or not is out of the control of the panguero but rather the mood of the fish and YOUR presentation. I have fished with some truly great pangueros who had the eyes of a frigate bird and would spot a marlin in the middle of a school of dolphin a mile away. I have fished with others who did little more than burn fuel.

Why would a guide have to replace lures? Lost lures are just part of fishing. Did you tie a crappy knot? Did you hang it up in the rocks? Were you cut off by a wahoo? Feces occur. Get over it. Now if you lost his lure that is a different matter. He depends on that lure to feed his family. I would never be rude enough to ask a panguero directly what he makes but I have hired pangueros to Captain my own boat and I've been told by the fleet operators that they pay their pangueros about $20 a day. Knowing the cost of lures in Baja as well as the limited availability I would definitely try to replace any lure he lost. Because of the limited availability of tackle in Baja I always leave them with spools of leaders, lures, packs of hooks, spools of fresh line, etc. It's so much easier and cheaper for me to replace when I get home.

For Shari - Can't give Juan any suggestions on how to provide better service because the types of people he takes out to fish are as varied as the people who visit Baja. I'm sure some have never held a rod in their life and need to have everything done for them. Others insist they know everything and demand to employ all of their skills they have honed through years of stream fishing for trout.

My personal desire is that I have hired a local expert that will share with me the current location of the fish and the most effective tactics that are currently working. I also like to feel like we are fishing PARTNERS for the day whether on his boat or mine, and working together we can have a great day on the water.

shari - 3-27-2008 at 08:04 AM

well put Alan...local guides have the local knowledge of where to fish on what day at what tide/weather etc...and the good ones can respond to each clients needs/desires/skill level etc. Lost lures are a real problem as they are super expensive to replace here and we really appreciate it when folks bring them down. The partnership idea is right on....fishing buddies have a great trip.

Skeet/Loreto - 3-27-2008 at 09:45 AM

After owning and Fishing from my Panga "The Patricia" for 27 years, I wonder after reading all the Posts, How did I catch all of those Thousands of Fish!!
I can only find Fault with the Catch and Release> Do you Newbies not realise that each Fish kept in the Panga and given to Him results in Food for his Family????

Capt. George, several years ago I tried to get you to buy a Panga{ Shoyers 22 FT. I would not trade my Panga for 10 of your Duskys. It is too Short for the Waters, no wonder you have Back Problems!!.

For anyone who wants a Good Pangero try Alvaro Murillo in Loreto. I have fished with him for 35 years, never with a Deep Finder or GPS. Caught more Fish than most of you will every seeor find with all those Fancy Machines and Lures!!

Have a Good Day!
"Mosco" Casa of Mucho Mujeres==Loreto

Capt. George - 3-27-2008 at 12:08 PM

Skeet

During my short stay in Loreto the Murillo Brothers were "stunned" by the performance of the "Dusky"...

Back issues were introduced mostly by jumping out windows and falling down stairs back in the day fighting fires (and people) in the South Bronx.

Panga? for me?, not even for free........

Hope you are well, we are in St James City Florida, back to Abreojos in July.

adios amigo..................................

Don Alley - 3-27-2008 at 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
After owning and Fishing from my Panga "The Patricia" for 27 years, I wonder after reading all the Posts, How did I catch all of those Thousands of Fish!!
I can only find Fault with the Catch and Release> Do you Newbies not realise that each Fish kept in the Panga and given to Him results in Food for his Family????

Capt. George, several years ago I tried to get you to buy a Panga{ Shoyers 22 FT. I would not trade my Panga for 10 of your Duskys. It is too Short for the Waters, no wonder you have Back Problems!!.

For anyone who wants a Good Pangero try Alvaro Murillo in Loreto. I have fished with him for 35 years, never with a Deep Finder or GPS. Caught more Fish than most of you will every seeor find with all those Fancy Machines and Lures!!

Have a Good Day!
"Mosco" Casa of Mucho Mujeres==Loreto

I know Alvaro, and he's not bringing in many fish these days.

Too many fish on too many tables over the years, not enough left in the sea to grow and breed. Something you oldtimers didn't realize.

Santiago - 3-27-2008 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by Don Alley
Too many fish on too many tables over the years, not enough left in the sea to grow and breed. Something you oldtimers didn't realize.

Thanks Don for saying it - I was going to but figured why waste the electrons.
Honestly, if I never kill another fish in my life I will never equal the balance from the 1000s of fish my father killed. The only thing he ever threw back were suckers and grunts - and he fished every day until he got his limit. I love the man and he's been dead these 10 years but jesus - couldn't he and his buddies have throttled it back a bit?

Skipjack Joe - 3-27-2008 at 01:03 PM

For most people around the world a fish isn't considered 'caught' unless it's killed. And since the object is to 'catch' fish, releasing one is a waste of time. It doesn't accomplish the objective of a fishing trip. I've seen 5 inch fish kept for no good reason at all. It gets to the essence of why people fish. Food is way down on the list of reasons. Look at those hero shots of guys on bloody decks for some ideas.

pascuale - 3-27-2008 at 02:12 PM

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Doubt it old timer. the reason old people are so grumpy is because all they do is whine about "the way it used to be". You used to catch fish because there were fish, and since you "caught more than we'll ever see", theres not alot left. What a man! Thanks.

gibson - 3-27-2008 at 02:19 PM

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taking "silly old coot" to a whole new level

DianaT - 3-27-2008 at 02:33 PM

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Some have been criticized for catching too many fish that they share with the guide and the people in small fishing villages. I can and do defend that practice when appropriate.

On the other hand, if someone hires someone and pays them well to take them out fishing and what they prefer is "catch and release" so be it. They are paying for a service, unless of course the panga operator insists that keeping fish is a part of the deal. :lol:

Diane

DENNIS - 3-27-2008 at 02:37 PM

Catch and release would be like hunting deer with a tranquilizer gun. Why bother?

Osprey - 3-27-2008 at 02:40 PM

I wouldn't be too harsh on us Old Timers -- try to remember how you got here, to this place where you can touch the keyboard -- I'll exempt all you issues of parthenogenic generation.

DianaT - 3-27-2008 at 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Catch and release would be like hunting deer with a tranquilizer gun. Why bother?

Difficult to explain, but it is the only way I have trout fished for years and love it----then again, I could float down the Clark Fork or Blackfoot in Montana all day, catch no fist, and still enjoy it-----well, not quite as much. :saint:

Of course we are such hardcore fisher people that we went surf fishing near BA recently and once we spotted the neat tide pools---well

Diane

BTW---I like to hunt deer with a camera. :yes:

[Edited on 3-27-2008 by jdtrotter]

Pompano - 3-27-2008 at 03:01 PM

The way some fishermen catch fish is by the tale.

DENNIS - 3-27-2008 at 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
by the tale.

Especially the really really big ones.

Pescador - 3-27-2008 at 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Well, well, well. Seems there are several kinds of pangas. You were unaware perhaps? Very heavy ARCA Shroyer old 22s like mine won't hurt your back in any kind of weather -- rather fish in mine than in any 34 ft cruiser in certain kinds of water. Mag bay crab pangas are true skiffs and will leave you needing a laminectomy after only a few bay miles in a little chop. Todos Santos 24s are for 90HP, rounded and ready for rough seas and hard landings but buck like the broncos they were modeled after. For every venue there is a style adapted over time by local fishermen. When you judge, be careful what boat your butt is in before you blame them all.

Osprey and Skeet are absolutely right. This Arca panga and the Lupe Diaz Super Panga are some of the best designed boats for the water on the Sea of Cortez. It is a real shame that the Arca boats are no longer being made. The old molds have pretty much disintegrated and are in total disrepair in La Paz. This was the best riding boat on the least amount of horsepower I have ever seen. When done up in a Center console or a side console there simply was not a match.
The other day a guy said I have a boat that rides better than than, but he needs a 250 hp motor just to push his over built sled through the water.

DENNIS - 3-27-2008 at 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by Pescador
The old molds have pretty much disintegrated and are in total disrepair in La Paz.

Wonder why someone hasn't used an existing hull for a plug and made new molds off of it.

Skipjack Joe - 3-27-2008 at 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
The way some fishermen catch fish is by the tale.

One of my earliest memories in life was trying to capture a tortoise who wanted no part it. My dad's advice: "sprinkle some salt on it's tail". I was about 5 at the time and went home to get some. He had so much fun with that.

pascuale - 3-27-2008 at 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
I wouldn't be too harsh on us Old Timers -- try to remember how you got here, to this place where you can touch the keyboard -- I'll exempt all you issues of parthenogenic generation.

Glad I have a dad and i wasnt developed from an asexual fertilization. Anyways

I love old timers. That is where we learn things from, good and bad. How to catch fish good, how to kill em all so my kids dont have any, bad. Thank you for your wisdom and knowledge. Thank you for all the great stories on this board. Thank you for the knowledge about Baja that has kept me out of trouble and made me llve the place. I dont listen to Nirvana when I drive down 1, I listen to the Eagles man!

I hope you understand the ignorance of saying "Ive caught more fish than any of you will ever see". Thats just Stupid, young or old.

[Edited on 3-28-2008 by pascuale]

Bajafun777 - 3-27-2008 at 10:52 PM

Pascuale, I really doubt that Skeet fished all the fish out to where there are not as many left today. I think if you look out over the horizons from the beach you will see the Ships from Japan dropping there nets and having no regard for any size fish or type of fish they pull in :fire:

. Skeet is probably right in regards to his fishing experiences and his past fun of the catch with friends which probably mades the catch just better to remember.
Never let the little things take your time up with firing back at someone that has a love or passion for something they have done all their life. I had been a hunter for years, since the age of 6, with memories of so many dove and quail that you had to really had to be a poor shot not to get a few when you went out hunting. So, in the past probably some things were better but that is just my opinion. Skeet and I will eventually meet up and we will definately pop a cold one together. Hopefully, one day you and I will do the same Pascuale. "No Hurry No Worry Just Fun." Take care and may your "lines" always get a tug for you to pull one in :bounce:

!!!!! Later-------bajafun777

Barbareno - 3-28-2008 at 06:30 AM

Tips for Panga Fishing

Clients should:

Not talk too much

Barb

vandenberg - 3-28-2008 at 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by Barbareno
Tips for Panga Fishing

Clients should:

Not talk too much

Barb

Woman of a few words

Does this apply to "on board", in a saloon or on this forum :?:

BTW, lots of fish still in the sea. Just have to know how to catch them :saint:

pascuale - 3-28-2008 at 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Bajafun777
Pascuale, I really doubt that Skeet fished all the fish out to where there are not as many left today. I think if you look out over the horizons from the beach you will see the Ships from Japan dropping there nets and having no regard for any size fish or type of fish they pull in :fire:

!!!!! Later-------bajafun777

Yeah, sometimes the testosterone gets the best of a young punk. Hopefully someday i can hear about all those fish stories from Skeet and you over a few pacificos. that would be nice. Thanks for the reminder to mellow out.
Ethan

Osprey - 3-28-2008 at 04:06 PM

Ethan, you got to remember, back then we didn't have the fishing string, the long sticks or the spool things. Some of us made hooks out of old bed springs and things. It was a lot harder to get fish then. Sometimes we couldn't bring up more than a hundred or two in a whole day. Now I will admit that there were probably more fish then but with all that food to eat they were not as hungry as they are today -- why, they'll bite anything now just to stay alive.

pascuale - 3-28-2008 at 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Ethan, you got to remember, back then we didn't have the fishing string, the long sticks or the spool things. Some of us made hooks out of old bed springs and things. It was a lot harder to get fish then. Sometimes we couldn't bring up more than a hundred or two in a whole day. Now I will admit that there were probably more fish then but with all that food to eat they were not as hungry as they are today -- why, they'll bite anything now just to stay alive.

Uh.. you must be a pretty old timer. Didnt Zane Gray fish with rods and reels or do you mean most people couldnt afford that stuff because it wasnt really around? I had to stay on a lake in spokane WA when I was 13 and couldnt catch a bass because id never lake fished. I saw those F&^ckers under the dock though and i was determined to kill one and eat it. So i made a hawaiin sling with a broom handle, knife ducktaped to the end and a bungee cord. I spend two whole days trying to get one and finally did. Thing tasted like Sh%t. But it was alot of fun making my own fish killing device.

DENNIS - 3-28-2008 at 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Ethan, you got to remember, back then

Good one, Jorge.....Like he was back there to remember.

Quit sounding so...old.

Osprey - 3-28-2008 at 07:03 PM

Sounding old! Old! Why once I

Barbareno - 3-28-2008 at 07:05 PM

Clients should:

Not talk too much

Barb

Woman of a few words

Does this apply to "on board", in a saloon or on this forum

Still haven't got the knack of this forum on how to copy and paste or how you do that quote thing.

To answer your question Vandenberg my suggestion was how to handle yourself in another person's vessel. Be quiet and listen. Thats all. KIS not KISS.

Now if I was in a bar? Bring er on. I can rant with the best of em and I do have an opinon.

But when it comes time for fishing....well for me it is a time for reflection. And that is quiet time. I try not to analize too much when I am on the water with a pole in my hand....or no pole in hand. I could sit on that water and just gaze. I know a few others that appreciate that to. Its not because I am a girl and we tend to babble (now that you got me started), its just that sitting in a boat with no one talking is absolute bliss...IMHO

Barb

vandenberg - 3-28-2008 at 07:47 PM

Fishhawk,

Keep your bait in the box

Too easy

pascuale - 3-28-2008 at 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Osprey
Ethan, you got to remember, back then

Good one, Jorge.....Like he was back there to remember.

Quit sounding so...old.

Jorge Bergin? Is that you my friend? Osprey?

Osprey - 3-29-2008 at 07:23 AM

Jorge = Osprey = huevone = aqui, mas o menos

msteve1014 - 3-29-2008 at 05:30 PM

I have fished on a lot of pangas, with a lot of different guides over the years, and the number one thing is communication. before we start the trip. If he is bringing lunch for us all, thats great, but I should know first. Or I will bring lunch, and drinks, for us all. Do not want to offend his wife by not eating the food she made for us. also have been left standing on the beach with a bunch of fish that the pangero had no plans on cleaning or helping move to the camp. been on good boats set up for fishing, and have been on boats where the only good spot was where the guide was standing. They did not all get paid the same. being a good fisherman is not the same as being a good guide.