BajaNomad - Disappointing news from BOLA

Disappointing news from BOLA

Hook - 4-7-2008 at 11:31 PM

Reported by Abraham on the mexfish.com website, apparently someone stole four live turtles from the turtle sanctuary during Semana Santa week.

That's a lot of weight to steal without anyone seeing it. :no:

Yum Yum ?

MrBillM - 4-8-2008 at 12:21 PM

I sure miss the days when Sea Turtle was available everywhere.

Tasty.

Natalie Ann - 4-8-2008 at 01:31 PM

That is sad news, Hook.

And you MrB.... bad dog! Back to your corner.

Nena

Crusoe - 4-8-2008 at 01:43 PM

This is very sad news. Turtles are one of the worlds most facinating and amazing creatures, and also one the most defense'less. ++C++

Hook - 4-8-2008 at 01:56 PM

I had turtle once back in the 80s at a new years dinner/party in BOLA at Casa Diaz. Mama was still cooking I believe and Papa was still around.

Toughest piece of meat I ever chewed on.

But the turtle soup was good. :bounce:

islandhop - 4-8-2008 at 02:24 PM

Back in the late 60's early 70's ,being a kid, I would wander around back at Hotel Serinidad where they would keep 10 to 20 sea turtles laying on their backs for the restaurant. Their flippers would flap a little and they would make a little moaning sound. I watched as they butchered one . These memories haunt me a little to this day. I am a fisherman though , so I do kill fish occasionally, but only enough for dinner.

805gregg - 4-8-2008 at 02:48 PM

I remember seeing one on it's back in the mid 60's at Campo Lopez. I can still see the tears running out of It's eyes, very sad. I could never kill or eat one, doesn't matter how it tastes. Guess it goes back to my childhood when we had a desert tortoise as a pet.

Bob and Susan - 4-8-2008 at 02:55 PM

"Turtles are one of the worlds...most defense'less."

but...what about cows???

Don Alley - 4-8-2008 at 02:59 PM

One of the goals of the folks at this year's turtle conference in Loreto is to make the Loreto Marine Park a reserve where turtles will not be harvested.

Good luck with that. Turtle remains popular here year around.

Oh, it's already illegal to harvest turtles? Imagine that. :rolleyes:

Hook - 4-8-2008 at 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
"Turtles are one of the worlds...most defense'less."

but...what about cows???

SAVE THE COWS........SAVE THE COWS !!!!!!!! :saint:

Mexitron - 4-8-2008 at 03:16 PM

That's really sad to steal the turtles from such a site.

Tasty Turtle

MrBillM - 4-8-2008 at 03:41 PM

I suppose I was lucky. The first Sea Turtle steak I ate was at Alfonsina's back in 1973. It was Fresh, Tender and delicious. After that initial experience, I've eaten many decent meals and some that were not. I've even purchased it (long ago) at the Calimax and prepared it myself. It didn't seem tough to me.

I've also bought bad meals of Beef, Fish, Fowl and Pork. One experience isn't enough to judge by.

Too bad they can't be commercially produced.

Yum Yum.

thebajarunner - 4-8-2008 at 03:55 PM

Let's hope that the "bad guys" were really "good guys" and that the turtles were turned loose in the bay and are now happily planning to start families, find a new line of work, etc.

Hook - 4-8-2008 at 04:55 PM

I'm pretty sure that all the turtles in there are eventually returned to the sea.

But the timing of this right before Semana Santa has me doubtful it was done by the guys in the white sombreros.

Not all would agree

thebajarunner - 4-8-2008 at 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
I'm pretty sure that all the turtles in there are eventually returned to the sea.

But the timing of this right before Semana Santa has me doubtful it was done by the guys in the white sombreros.

There are those in the know (no, not me) that would say that the place is more like a zoo than a research center.
And, that the captives should be returned to the sea much more quickly than generally happens.

Sadly, I suspect that you are correct and they are not among their families....

(First time I ever ate turtle steak was at the Dias' table in early 70's, on a pre-run for the 1000- it was wonderful!!)

djh - 4-8-2008 at 09:51 PM

I still have some amazing 35mm slides of a huge turtle laying eggs on the beach between CSL and SJdC back in the mid 80's when there was still much open beach....

I was totally in awe, and still remember that late night / early morning experience.

I would never kill or condone the killing of one of these magnificant creatures.

I think I could, however take a hard rubber hose to a selfrighteous burro who KNOWS better, but doesn't care about their plight because "it tastes good". Or because they are defenseless.... Ranks right up there with child molesters in my book....

Capt. George - 4-9-2008 at 04:51 AM

don't harm a "turtle" but take a rubber hose to another human being..

meee theeenks you are need of a priority re-set.

save the piping plover, save the seals but keep your damn kids and grandkids off the beach!!

wadda mind set. George Purrman

Skeet/Loreto - 4-9-2008 at 07:32 AM

First had Turtle at Papa Diaz place at the BGay of Los angeles in 1968, again at the Bismark 2 in La Paz and then several times aat San Nicholas. All prepared the Mesicano Way. Later learned that Papa Diaz went to Jail after being Caught witha Truck Load going to Market.
Can anyone verify if he did if fact serve 3 years in Jail??

Later at San Giorgio on the Pacific I observed many Turtles brought in with the Meat going to La Paz at $50 a Turtle.

Later when the Law came in to effect, a Pangaero caught with a Turtle his Panga was taken from Him.

I will never forget the anguish Cry of 3 large Turtles tied up on the Beach. I have not had Turtle Since.!

Skeet/Loreto

wilderone - 4-9-2008 at 09:02 AM

"don't harm a "turtle" but take a rubber hose to another human being..

meee theeenks you are need of a priority re-set."

You think human beings are superior to turtles? More important? Human beings are AMONG all the animals that deserve a home and life on our earth; each has a purpose and contributes to the richness of the sublime ecosystem that could be ours to experience. But no. Human beings, with their infinite stupidity, egotism, ignorance and human fallacies, continue to degrade their world with every act diminishing species, numbers, habitat, etc. I think you're the one who needs to reset priorities. Turtles stolen and killed from a turtle sanctuary? I guess you think a safari hunt at the zoo would be a good idea too? Aside from the obvious crime of theft, I think it bespeaks of new lows of human selfishness. Don't get me started.

Skipjack Joe - 4-9-2008 at 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
I can still see the tears running out of It's eyes, very sad. I could never kill or eat one, doesn't matter how it tastes.

Found out recently that the tears are the turtle's way of maintaining salt balance in it's system. Apparently their intake of salt is greater than it should be and this is their way of maintaining the proper levels.

Now I wonder if there's an explanation for crocodile tears. :?:

I'll bet there is.

djh - 4-9-2008 at 03:36 PM

George. You know me better than that!

I didn't say anything about plovers, seals, kids or grandkids....

BTW, My mind set is prety simple: Respect for our home and the creatures we share it with. I'm prety old-school conservative that way.....

Besides, I made a long enough ride with you (LTO to Sta.R ~ remember) to have heard a few of your stories... which were prety entertaining, I might add... anyway don't tell me there aren't some humans you've wanted to take the rubber hose to... I know you better than that too !

And of course, I'd love to send some kids and grandkids down to play on your beach :-) I know they'd love you & Deb. . . . especially if you took them out for a boat ride in Dusty!

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Originally posted by Capt. George
don't harm a "turtle" but take a rubber hose to another human being..

meee theeenks you are need of a priority re-set.

save the piping plover, save the seals but keep your damn kids and grandkids off the beach!!

wadda mind set. George Purrman

[Edited on 4-9-2008 by djh]

Paulina - 4-9-2008 at 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
Reported by Abraham on the mexfish.com website, apparently someone stole four live turtles from the turtle sanctuary during Semana Santa week.

That's a lot of weight to steal without anyone seeing it. :no:

When turtles were stolen before, Antonio locked the gate. To gain access you had find him.

I wondered how his retirement would effect the turtle station besides admission being charged.

P<*)))><

Capt. George - 4-9-2008 at 06:03 PM

good luck wilderone

hope you come back as a turle or some other wonderful creature "superior" to human beings...

hey, maybe we'll get really lucky and have a nuclear war..WOW, just think of all those dastardly human beings it will kill...especially those little ones just waiting to grow up and rape the environment...

David K - 4-10-2008 at 07:53 AM

As long as turtles are famous for tasting good, and the town is swamped with visitors from big cities, and the gate is left unlocked... well, that is the result!

Heck, in '06 the new fellow was there and wouldn't let us have a quick look because he was on his 'break', standing inside the closed gate... told us to come back tomorrow (we would be in Gonzaga Bay then)... So, Elizabeth's son didn't get to see them.

Harvesting

MrBillM - 4-10-2008 at 02:56 PM

If you accept the Bible, then there is no problem. Man IS above the animals. If you don't, OH WELL.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:28:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

bancoduo - 4-10-2008 at 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
If you accept the Bible, then there is no problem. Man IS above the animals. If you don't, OH WELL.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:28:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Are you the new Jimmy swaggart :?:

mtgoat666 - 4-10-2008 at 03:09 PM

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So what? The bible was written by men trying to sell their new religion to the heathens. Using the bible to validate your world view is pathetic excuse for your inappropriate behaviour.
If your dog wrote the bible, he would have written:

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make dog in our image, after our likeness, and spell his name as reverse of ours: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over man, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing, such as MrBillM, that creepeth upon the earth.

:lol:

Bob and Susan - 4-10-2008 at 03:10 PM

where's skeet!!!

David K - 4-10-2008 at 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
where's skeet!!!

Yah, no kidding... that was the last time God was posting here, yes?

If we could get the turtle population back up or better, then we could eat them again... So, the turtle research facility is designed to learn how to get us more turtles for the future (a good thing) and we could eat them like God wants us to, and legally as well.

The low life that took a captive turtle out of a tank to feed to his friends/ family at Semana Santa is scum... So give him hell, not MrBillM for telling us God's plan!

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Sharksbaja - 4-10-2008 at 03:43 PM

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and we could eat them like God wants us to

Good lord David! I knew you had connections but........ :wow:

David K - 4-10-2008 at 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja

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and we could eat them like God wants us to

Good lord David! I knew you had connections but........ :wow:

Well, I was using MrBillM's information to reach that conclusion, not 'my' connection! :lol:

>>> "Harvesting

If you accept the Bible, then there is no problem. Man IS above the animals. If you don't, OH WELL.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:28:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. " <<<

bancoduo - 4-10-2008 at 05:34 PM

HELL FIRE AND DAMNATION! I just ate my dog. :fire:

Hook - 4-10-2008 at 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by bancoduo
HELL FIRE AND DAMNATION! I just ate my dog. :fire:

Perfectly acceptable in the good book, according to Bishop South Campo.

We are here to subjugate them..........making a meal of them, occasionally, sends a good message to the others that WE are the top dog.

DENNIS - 4-10-2008 at 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Hook

We are here to subjugate them..........making a meal of them, occasionally, sends a good message to the others that WE are the top dog.

I wonder how that principle would go over in Iraq?

Bajagypsy - 4-10-2008 at 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by bancoduo
HELL FIRE AND DAMNATION! I just ate my dog. :fire:

I may eat my cat later!!! :lol:

DianaT - 4-10-2008 at 06:28 PM

Let's see here. I assume because you are quoting Genesis you are refering the god of the Hebrews who gave those orders.

That same god in the Torah gave orders against eating some animals---pigs, shellfish, etc. Turtles may be exempt, however, while they have a shell for a home, they are not strictly a sea animal. :lol:

Now, The Seventh Day Adventist also quote Genesis as to why they don't eat meat at all. They refer to the diet god gave Adam and Eve in Gen. 1:29, "'I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food'"and later in 3.18. after the great fall, god added to their diet "'the plants of the fields'" .

While all the great spirtural writings contain lots of great wisdom, they are also just wonderful to quote in order to support just about anything and any point of view.

If you like turtle and hope to eat it someday, don't blame the gods. It is simply your preference.

Diane

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja

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and we could eat them like God wants us to

Good lord David! I knew you had connections but........ :wow:

Well, I was using MrBillM's information to reach that conclusion, not 'my' connection! :lol:

[Edited on 4-11-2008 by jdtrotter]

Vegans ?

MrBillM - 4-10-2008 at 08:17 PM

I'm assuming that ALL of those here who are opposed to Caguama Steaks are Vegetarians. Otherwise, they're simply Hypocrites.

A Cow has as much right to life as a Turtle.

bajaguy - 4-10-2008 at 08:30 PM

yeah, but you don't see too many cows swimming in the Sea of Cortez

And So ?

MrBillM - 4-10-2008 at 08:42 PM

JDT and I are in agreement that it's OK with God to eat Turtles ?

I agree that I haven't seen any Cows swimming the Sea of Cortez or on any ocean, for that matter.

In 1992, I was sailing back from Catalina during the last El Nino storm of the season and a Cow came floating by, but not swimming. Judging from its bloated carcass, it hadn't been doing anything (other than floating) for awhile.

Skeet/Loreto - 4-11-2008 at 07:05 AM

Skeet is Here!

God gave us the Brains to make Decesions. Not the Bible.

Faith Hope and Charity!

All of you Posters are forgetting the Basics of Life.

Survival Of the Fitist. The Strong shall survive, The Weak will Perish.

Seems as some you should go back to Berkerly and finish your Education.

Anon The Preacher

Don Alley - 4-11-2008 at 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Skeet is Here!

God gave us the Brains to make Decesions. Not the Bible.

Faith Hope and Charity!

All of you Posters are forgetting the Basics of Life.

Survival Of the Fitist. The Strong shall survive, The Weak will Perish.

Seems as some you should go back to Berkerly and finish your Education.

Anon The Preacher

The Deceder has Spoken!

Martyman - 4-11-2008 at 08:44 AM

I hope you dragged a few lures past that bloated cow.
Hey Gypsy, I just ate my goldfish!!

Skeet/Loreto - 4-11-2008 at 09:07 AM

"Three things are too wonderful for me,
four I do not understand,
The way of an eagle in the sky,
The way of a serpent on a rock,
The way of a Ship on the high seas,
And the way of a man with a maiden."

Proverbs 30:18-20

Bajagypsy - 4-11-2008 at 09:17 AM

martyman, I just ate my son's guinea pig.

Capt. George - 4-11-2008 at 11:42 AM

And Beezlebub said:

Go forth and rape and pillage the land and the seas....for you are in my image, horn head......

If it looks good to eat, harpoon it, and eat only the good parts....

Paulina - 4-11-2008 at 01:29 PM

If ANY of you tries to eat my horse, I'm going to be really mad.

P<*)))><

DianaT - 4-11-2008 at 01:35 PM

Now I know they were serious when they had Young Donkeys on the English menu at the La Pinta. It was not a mistaken translation after all.

Diane

Eating Horse

MrBillM - 4-12-2008 at 10:10 AM

Watch out for any Frenchies that may come by.

Although I haven't eaten any horses, my dogs have in the past. They never said how it was, but they did appear to enjoy it. That may not be a recommendation, though, since I've tasted the Dog Biscuits that my current dogs love so much and they're pretty awful.

Given the condition of that Cow that floated past me, I doubt that it would have been good eating. Besides, it would have been pretty difficult to dress out in the small c-ckpit of the sailboat, especially in the middle of a storm.

Mexitron - 4-13-2008 at 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
I'm assuming that ALL of those here who are opposed to Caguama Steaks are Vegetarians. Otherwise, they're simply Hypocrites.

A Cow has as much right to life as a Turtle.

Its more about eating a species which is in decline and especially stealing from a site that is attempting to keep that species intact. Cows are plentiful.

jodiego - 4-14-2008 at 07:48 AM

Back in the 80's, my wife and I came upon a turtle stuck in a ditch next to our hotel in Cabo. It was flailing away, bleeding, and trying to extract himself from his situation. Together we were able to move him out of the ditch and point him towards the sea. Several hours later we discovered that some of the locals had grabbed him before he made it into the water and were "playing" with him on the beach. In our very broken spanish, we were able to persuade them to help us take him to the edge of the water where he quickly scooted under the waves and was on his way. It was a very satisfiying day for both of us, not to mention the turtle.

[Edited on 4-16-2008 by jodiego]

[Edited on 4-19-2008 by jodiego]

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wilderone - 4-14-2008 at 09:19 AM

"I'm assuming that ALL of those here who are opposed to Caguama Steaks are Vegetarians. Otherwise, they're simply Hypocrites."
Nonsense.
Chickens, cattle, buffalo, goat, rabbit, etc. are not endangered species and are bred for food. If the turtles were left alone and the egg-laying projects all over Mexico were supported for a few years, everyone would have that food source as well. What part of "endangered species" do you not understand?

Hypocrites and other Wild Things

MrBillM - 4-14-2008 at 09:52 AM

I have no problem with ANYONE who would frame their argument AGAINST eating Turtle as an "endangered species" question.

I would expect those persons (other than Vegans) to then have no philosophical problem IF said turtles were brought back to a sustainable level that would allow their harvesting as a food product. The FACT remains that those who otherwise eat other meat and protest are still Hypocrites.

Cardon Man - 4-18-2008 at 08:02 AM

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What exactly is your point there Skeeter?

Your assumption that compassion for an animal reflects a lack of understanding of the "basics of life" is patently absurd.

Also, how the heck does "survival of the fittest" relate to stealing turtles from a sanctuary? :?:

[Edited on 4-18-2008 by Cardon Man]