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FJ Cruiser?

tattuna - 4-26-2008 at 09:22 AM

Do any of you own one of these? Is it a good off road suv for Baja?

I'm considering buying one soon. Sounds like the major issues are the blind spots, small back seats, and that it requires premium gas.

I'd greatly appreciate any owner reviews to help me with my decision. I currently drive a 2-wd F-150. It handles most roads fine, but I'd like to see a lot more of Baja than it allows me to.

Baja12valve - 4-26-2008 at 09:33 AM

A friend of mine has one and, if I remember correctly, he mentioned that it has a really small gas tank and driving range. You might want to look into that aspect.

Diver - 4-26-2008 at 10:00 AM

The standard tank is 19 gallons.
The problem is that they only get 15 - 20 mpg !!
Worst case is about 270 miles per tank.
Check your routes and decide if you need to carry a spare can.

Also, I'd carry some octane booster in case you can't find premium but it's pretty readily available.

They're just pretty small for hauling much gear without a roof basket and you will feel pretty "little" in the Toy compared to your Ford !!

But then, personally, I drive an F350 4x4 crew turbo diesel. :biggrin: :lol:

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David K - 4-26-2008 at 10:03 AM

Another option...?

I have the '05 4 door Tacoma... it is totally comfy and roomy for a truck...

5 speed automatic, 4WD, 4.0 V-6, Regular gas, tons of power.

I did beef up the REAR suspension (at Off Road Warehouse) as the back would bottom out on bumps with a load... Upgraded the Bilstein shocks and added adjustable air bags... Works great now!

The truck is perfect for all roads in Baja! I have had it for 2 1/2 years and put on 73,000 miles, so far.

Oh, the tank hold 20 gallons and I get 16 mpg daily driving and up to 19 mpg on the highway.

[Edited on 4-26-2008 by David K]

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TMW - 4-26-2008 at 10:06 AM

Looking at the web site the specs say a 19 gal gas tank. Looks to be the same 4L engine as the Tacoma which runs on regular gas. I didn't see anything about using premium gas, maybe I missed it. Milage not great but not bad at 16/20 mpg. A tower co. that does work for me has one and they like it. I haven't driven it but in looking it over my complaint was the windows seem small, including the winshield. And their are blind spots.

Capt. George - 4-26-2008 at 03:51 PM

350 4X4 Turbo Diesel Power Yeah!!!!! Ford Tough..................

"Toy"ota, won't argue their dependability, but still a "toy".....

XRPhlang - 4-26-2008 at 04:34 PM

I hope this doesn't stray off topic, but does anybody know of a good Baja vehicle that gets upwards of 25 mpg? I like Tacomas but even with the 2x4, 4 cylinder gas milage is not much better than 20 mpg.

BajaWarrior - 4-26-2008 at 04:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Capt. George
350 4X4 Turbo Diesel Power Yeah!!!!! Ford Tough..................

"Toy"ota, won't argue their dependability, but still a "toy".....


How about one of each?

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JamesBC - 4-26-2008 at 05:26 PM

I have been looking at the FJ for my wife. (I drive a Tacoma access cab, 4x4). We have test driven several. Great for a stock off road rig. Blind spots are an issue - I haven't heard about the gas either. I saw one come over the road from BOLA to Mision San Borja last month, pulling a trailer loaded with quads, no less. It was slow, but it did fine. If you know that road, you know that while it isn't too technical, it isn't a cakewalk either. I'd say it depends on what you want. I'm with David for the Tacoma being best for Baja, but if you don't want to do a truck - the FJ is right up there. The thing is built like a tank (hence the lower mileage), and its a Toyota - which for some of us is a good thing!
The main drawback for me is I'd really like to see them come out with a version with full size back seats that lay flat when folded down.

bajaguy - 4-26-2008 at 07:54 PM

Is the FJ wider than a Tacoma???

TacoFeliz - 4-26-2008 at 11:29 PM

Mrs. TacoFeliz has one. Built like a tank, very capable with bulletproof drivetrain and locking rear diff. Highway mileage is 21-22, drops a tad off the pavement. Limited rear seat room (not for full grown adult type people) Specs call for 91 octane gas but the electronics adjust fine to 86, just a tad less power. Get some real tires, the ones supplied by Toyota are just to get them off the dealership lot. Also, OEM roof rack is just OK, better aftermarket ones exist all over the place (good friend Stan has one from GOBI that is excellent, all stainless, powdercoated with excellent mounting hardware and lower profile than the Toyota one).

It's kind of an updated FJ-40 with lots of creature comforts. Still trucklike and tough, still kind of small to camp out of. We take our 4x4 Tundra with poptop camper on long backcountry runs, but either one will get us down the trail and back. Spend some time inside one and see how you like the windshield/pillars/sightlines. Some folks don't like the blind spots in the back. We've done multiple long trips with it and wife commutes 75 miles round trip daily to work, still loves it after two years. We got hers the first month they were available.

Bob and Susan - 4-27-2008 at 05:56 AM

"Mrs. TacoFeliz has one..."

reading "between the lines"...:light::light:

does this mean it's a "girls car"???:lol::lol:

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Bajagypsy - 4-27-2008 at 07:38 AM

We had a 1981 FJ Toyota Landcruiser, and It totally rocked for baja travel, fit all 6 of us, and our gear, and two dogs. Really can't be stopped by anything!


Barry A. - 4-27-2008 at 10:10 AM

You also might want to check out the Nissan X-Terra "off road" model. I have had my 2007 for a year now, and it is impressive after you upgrade the inadaquate suspension. It has an electric rear locker, bilstein shocks, and is VERY capable and comfy. It too gets 16 to 21 MPG (auto tranny).

Barry

TMW - 4-27-2008 at 10:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Capt. George
350 4X4 Turbo Diesel Power Yeah!!!!! Ford Tough..................

"Toy"ota, won't argue their dependability, but still a "toy".....


That 350 is good for hauling your house down the road but not too good for exploring the dirt trails I usually get on and with diesel at $4.50 a gal or higher it doesn't make for a good daily driver.

Udo - 4-27-2008 at 11:14 AM

:cool:My wife Jana and I took a three week cruise to Cabo from Big Bear Lake, Ca. this past Thanksgiving in her 07 FJ. We got about 21mpg. We drove about 3000 paved miles and about 800 off-road miles, and never were in any danger of running out of gas. The longest off-road run was 120 miles one way. And the longest gas run on one tank was from El Rosario to Guerrero Negro, where we were very close to running out because of severe head winds. We just went where the road took us and let's-see-what-we-find-when-we-get-there. The fishing camps were out of this world, and we ate so much free lobster that after 6 days of it we got sick of it. The bays we thought were one-of-a-kind, until we got to the next one. Met dozens of Surfers and fellow kayakers. The FJ was the best off-road vehicle we ever took! We had previously driven in a variety of different jeeps. The ride was like riding on a cloud. The FJ has two speeds that one can drive over rough terrain...either under 15MPH or over 45mph. We chose the 45-60MPH route and were extremely satisfied. We stayed where we ended up if the day was running too long. The rest of the time we hoped we would end up at a motel of some kind. Basic accomodations (bed & bath) cost $25-$35 where available. We would highly recommend the FJ to any one considering purchasing one. We traded in a Subaru Outback Eddie Bauer on the FJ (we also took it on many thousands of miles in Baja). The Subaru had softer seats which tired us out at the end of the day. The FJ's firmer seats were more suited to longer travel in Baja. This is the first Baja trip that we took that we felt totally refreshed when we returned home. We did not feel like we needed to take a few days off just to recuperate from the trip.
I would like to attach some photos of the trip but don't know how to do it. I can privately send you some if you want. I would also like to attach a photo under my name, but don't know how to that either

PIX Posting

TMW - 4-27-2008 at 11:25 AM

Picture must be under 50K. Click on the reply button and add text and to attach the pix click on the browse button at the bottom above the post reply button.

Ken Cooke - 4-27-2008 at 12:38 PM

Hey, if it gets you off the pavement, doesn't get you stuck, and doesn't suck, then go for it.

Tom West of JustRuns 4WD club in San Diego bought one after unloading his Jeep Cherokee,
and he is much happier. I have read in 4WOR Magazine that the clamshell doors rattle when
off road.

Ken Cooke - 4-27-2008 at 02:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
What year are you looking at?

They're discussing the FJ Cruiser. The newbie 4WD SUV that's based off of the Toyota Tacoma.

FJ in trouble

bajaguy - 4-27-2008 at 02:52 PM

Drove over a concealed mine shaft adit

From a fellow desert explorer:

I made a wide turn, just a few feet from the trail, when all of a sudden, the ground started to collapse. I had driven over a long forgotten mineshaft, which had been covered up with wood, and then dirt, so it was completely hidden. It seemed to happen in slo-mo. The front started to sink, I tried to shift into reverse, but just as I hit the gas, the rear lifted up, the front shot forward, then it tipped upside down. At first, I thought I had rolled into a ditch, but then I noticed the gapping black hole I was staring down.

My friends bolted out the passenger door, scared out of their wits, but I waited, worried too much movement was going to make the FJ go all the way in. When my friends had gotten out, I then unbuckled my seat belt, walked on my dash, and exited. I stepped out of the FJ, onto the front passenger tire, then to safety. Only later did I discover that that very wheel was the only thing that kept us from falling 60ft.

The next morning, we called the tow truck, two actually came out. Two winch lines went on the rear, and the flipped it right side up. Then one guy lowered himself into the shaft, and th hooked up a third line to the front end, and winched the FJ out. Thanks to Paul and Sons towing in Ridgecrest for saving my FJ.


[Edited on 4-27-2008 by bajaguy]

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FJ in trouble #2

bajaguy - 4-27-2008 at 02:54 PM

another view

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FJ in trouble #3

bajaguy - 4-27-2008 at 02:56 PM

Close-up

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FJ Repaired and Repainted

bajaguy - 4-27-2008 at 02:57 PM

Sorry for the multiple posts.....have not figured out multiple photos on one post.

This view shows the FJ repaired and repainted....ready to go!!!!

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tatuna

bajaguy - 4-27-2008 at 08:14 PM

check this link for info:

fjcruiserforums.com

Ken Cooke - 4-27-2008 at 08:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch
We have a 2001 Isuzu Rodeo w/a V-6 and it gets horrible mileage (15-18 mpg). And it only has a 17 gallon tank.=

Unfortunately, that goes with the territory. I would love for the day that the JK Rubicon were offered with a hybrid model, but like the Tahoe, I doubt a hybrid system would make a dent in the vehicles overall mileage.

tattuna - 4-28-2008 at 08:39 AM

Bajaguy, those pics are amazing! Glad you came out of it alive! Thanks for the link too.

I appreciate all the feedback guys! I'm sold! Definitely gonna get one as soon as I sell my truck. Thanx again!

mtgoat666 - 4-28-2008 at 08:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
What year are you looking at?

They're discussing the FJ Cruiser. The newbie 4WD SUV that's based off of the Toyota Tacoma.


FJ cruiser is a chicks car. Goofy looking chicks car too.
Get the 4runner: more comfy, more roomy, same or better gas mileage.

bajaguy - 4-28-2008 at 08:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tattuna
Bajaguy, those pics are amazing! Glad you came out of it alive! Thanks for the link too.

I appreciate all the feedback guys! I'm sold! Definitely gonna get one as soon as I sell my truck. Thanx again!




Ttuna, that's not my FJ............but they are cool photos.

Roberto - 4-28-2008 at 11:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I would love for the day that the JK Rubicon were offered with a hybrid model, but like the Tahoe, I doubt a hybrid system would make a dent in the vehicles overall mileage.


Yes, exactly. As currently implemented, hybrid engines save the most fuel in high-traffic, stop-and-go situations. In most other driving conditions, the electric side of the system gets minimal use, and therefore the savings are minimal as well.

[Edited on 4-28-2008 by Roberto]

pacside - 4-28-2008 at 01:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
What year are you looking at?

They're discussing the FJ Cruiser. The newbie 4WD SUV that's based off of the Toyota Tacoma.


FJ cruiser is a chicks car. Goofy looking chicks car too.
Get the 4runner: more comfy, more roomy, same or better gas mileage.


I just purchased a 2006 Toyota 4Runner Limited 4x4 v8 with Navigation and love it. This is our second 4Runner and they are perfect for driving around town and off roading. Not too big, not too small but just right. I can't believe how smooth the ride is and how much larger this one is than our 98 4runner. I recommend the v8...gets maybe 1 less mpg than the v6 but the drive is much nicer. This will be our vehicle of choice when making the trek down to baja sur once our casita gets built.

Taco de Baja - 4-28-2008 at 03:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666

FJ cruiser is a chicks car. Goofy looking chicks car too.


B.S. It's about the only Toyota vehicle where you can still get a manual 4x4 selector. Toyota really went girly when they when all auto and all push button :( .

I'm keeping my all-manual-manly-Tacoma till it dies...Which being a Toyota might be another 20 years...

David K - 4-28-2008 at 05:34 PM

The Tacoma with an automatic trans. HAS a manual 4WD selector... it's not full time or 'auto.' 4WD. It does have auto. locking hubs, so you can shift 'on-the-fly' into 4WD HI Range (up to highway speed)... Full stop for LOW Range, and transmission in neutral... With the TRD package you get a LOCKING rear differential, 16" BFGs and Bilstein shocks.

mtgoat666 - 4-28-2008 at 06:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666

FJ cruiser is a chicks car. Goofy looking chicks car too.


B.S. It's about the only Toyota vehicle where you can still get a manual 4x4 selector. Toyota really went girly when they when all auto and all push button :( .

I'm keeping my all-manual-manly-Tacoma till it dies...Which being a Toyota might be another 20 years...


What's wrong with push buttons? Is the lever some kind of phallus? :lol: Maybe chick cars should have phallic levers like yours :lol::lol::lol:

Ken Cooke - 4-28-2008 at 07:23 PM

Mtn. Goat. Focus group data show that women make the final decision when us guys want to purchase a vehicle. The Tomb Raider was the girly Jeep on the Riverside Chrysler/Jeep lot, but Suzanne wholeheartedly supported buying it over the more utilitarian Rubicon I had my eye on.

The 4 Runner that went on the '07 Baja Grande run had all sorts of trouble negotiating Mission Impossible trail, while an FJ would have a much better time on that trail. The 4 Runner is more station wagon while the FJ is more "Land Cruiser". If I were tackling Mission Impossible in a stock vehicle, I would choose the FJ hands down.



Ken Cooke - 4-28-2008 at 09:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666

FJ cruiser is a chicks car. Goofy looking chicks car too.


B.S. It's about the only Toyota vehicle where you can still get a manual 4x4 selector. Toyota really went girly when they when all auto and all push button :( .

I'm keeping my all-manual-manly-Tacoma till it dies...Which being a Toyota might be another 20 years...


What's wrong with push buttons? Is the lever some kind of phallus? :lol: Maybe chick cars should have phallic levers like yours :lol::lol::lol:


Mtn. Goat,

You're making yourself look like an ass. Have some respect and stop putting people down. You probably don't like the ppl on this forum, but they're all about Baja like you are. They prolly don't share your same politics, but give everyone here a break.

Taco de Baja - 4-29-2008 at 07:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
The Tacoma with an automatic trans. HAS a manual 4WD selector... it's not full time or 'auto.' 4WD. It does have auto. locking hubs, so you can shift 'on-the-fly' into 4WD HI Range (up to highway speed)... Full stop for LOW Range, and transmission in neutral... With the TRD package you get a LOCKING rear differential, 16" BFGs and Bilstein shocks.


I have never seen a Post 2005 Tacoma with a manual lever on the floor; sure they have a "manual dial" on the dash, that's not what I mean. I do not want a solenoid or fuse to crap-out just when I need 4x4. Same reason I like my manual hubs; I don't have to wonder it there is a vacuum leak or electrical issue that will not allow the hubs to lock, or un-lock.

Yes, problems like this do happen. Even happened to me several times in my pre-Taco, POS Chevy, luckily I was not in the wilds of Baja when the failures occurred. Pretty funny now, but one time I was on a hard packed construction site with a thin layer of muddy clay that made the area as slick as ice. Went to shift to 4x4 to get out nothing happened because the hubs would not lock, so my rear wheels just spun; could not go forward, could not go backward. A 4x4 backhoe with a tow strap had to pull me out.

I can shift on the fly in my all manual Taco too as, long as the hubs are locked. I can even go into 4-Low at speeds under 5 mph; really good for situations where you do not want to stop (or shouldn’t), but need a lower range. And, if I ever wanted or needed to I could unlock the hubs and have 2-Low. 20 MPH in 5th gear! …Or, a really s---l---o---w crawl in 1st.

If I ever buy a new Taco, I’ll probably have to pay a fabricator several $1,000 to install a manual T-case, donated from a manly FJ Cruiser ...:yes:

David K - 4-29-2008 at 08:09 AM

I understand the mistrust in new stuff... If it wasn't a Toyota, I would feel the same...

I will report on all problems, as I have on my 2005 Tacoma (30,000 miles a year, so far)... If that helps...


So far,

rear suspension was improved to stop bottoming out with a load, the way I drive (with bigger Bilstein shocks & air bag shocks).

The first set of brakes made noise for awhile the first year.

This month, an air bag warning light came on and I need to have them check it out. Otherwise, there have been NO mechanical problems or expenses in its 73,000 mile life.

Not bad considering where I go with this truck!

Barry A. - 4-29-2008 at 08:16 AM

Taco de Baja makes some very good points-------my chev. 3/4 ton 4x4 work-truck had an "electric" actuator for the front hubs and it failed me 3 different times in critical situations way out in the boonies------very embarrassing to have to call in folks to pull you out, if you are even able to do that------could be critical if you can't summon help. We finally gave up and installed an aftermarket manual override for the electrical actuator to solve the problem . I do not remember just how that worked, but it did work. I believe that if the stock actuator failed, the truck automatically went into 4-wheel drive with the after-market device, as I remember.

True "Manual" levers and hubs are far superior, in my opinion, if you can even find them anymore.

My 2007 Nissan X-terra has electric actuators (for everything!!!) and I just sorta "pray" that they continue to work, and always carry 2-way radios/cell phones in case they don't. (not a big help in way-out Baja, tho)

Barry

Martyman - 4-29-2008 at 11:19 AM

The FJ looks great and that is the problem. I plan on driving down to South America in the future and the FJ would attract too much attention in small towns and other places.
It looks like the 4 Runner would be able to "blend in" slightly better.

Taco de Baja - 4-29-2008 at 11:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Martyman
The FJ looks great and that is the problem. I plan on driving down to South America in the future and the FJ would attract too much attention in small towns and other places.
It looks like the 4 Runner would be able to "blend in" slightly better.

These are popular in South America, too bad that don't import them here.....

Toyota Land Cruiser pick-ups with a solid front axel.

2002-2007



The 1967 pick-up version


The 1967 Cruiser (look familiar? :) )

Barry A. - 4-29-2008 at 02:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
Barry A,probably won't concern you but thought i would let you know that ring and pinion gears will be available for our vehicles soon.4.56 and 4.88.Also Trutrac makes a rear locker that's available now.


Thanks Whistler--------My 2007 "X" is the "off road" model, so has an electric rear locker already, but that is good to know. Mine has also the automatic tranny, and it seems to have a really low gear set, but don't know what it is--------I do know that I can really "crawl" over rocks very slowly, so it appears good the way it is. I did put the Calmini springs in the rear, and "levelers" in the front, giving me almost 3 extra inches of height, plus a good load capacity.

Thanks again. Barry

Ken Cooke - 4-29-2008 at 07:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Martyman
I plan on driving down to South America in the future and the FJ would attract too much attention in small towns and other places.

Why not just buy a quality 4WD vehicle while out of the country? I saw **Plenty** of beautiful specimens while in Colombia at the miniature auto plazas. The prices in the newspapers were super cheap as well...

Barranquilla, CO




This is the HiLux with the special "Hi-Rider" Package:


Here is a real Baywatch Beauty - in Santa Marta, CO:


I saw this beauty for sale in Barranquilla. Why not just buy something while you're there???


Martyman - 4-30-2008 at 08:27 AM

Thanks for the idea Ken. I'm not going for a few years so...quite a bit of time to plan. What kind of prices are we talking about?

Lencho- I need a special vehicle to do a Evil Knevel style jump over the gap!! (Isn't there a ferry?)

durrelllrobert - 4-30-2008 at 08:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Drove over a concealed mine shaft adit

I had driven over a long forgotten mineshaft, which had been covered up with wood, and then dirt, so it was completely hidden.
Thanks to Paul and Sons towing in Ridgecrest for saving my FJ.

[Edited on 4-27-2008 by bajaguy]

You were very lucky, the area between Ridgecrest and Johansburg/ Red Mountain has thousands of these abandoned mines. The local search and rescue group pulls 10 or more dirt bikes from them every year and has tried to put fencing around as many as possible.:!:

Ken Cooke - 4-30-2008 at 09:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Martyman
Thanks for the idea Ken. I'm not going for a few years so...quite a bit of time to plan. What kind of prices are we talking about?


http://www.demotores.com.co/dm-284833-Toyota-Land-Cruiser.ht...

Hit the link, browse the Toyotas, and divide the price tag - 2,000 to 1.


This baby costs 14 Million Pesos or roughly $7,500.00!!

Baja12valve - 5-1-2008 at 02:16 PM

To back up the thread a bit, I agree with the manual hubs. When I first got my Dodge, it had the CAD system, my first experience with automatic 4wd engagement, which, it turns out, to be pure junk. I thought I was in 4wd, the dash light "said so", so off I went across the dry river bottom. The truck wheel hopped so badly that the engine fan smacked into the radiator and tore out chunks of it, bending the fan blades back on themselves. Water was pouring out. The truck finally "slipped" into 4wd, and we limped across, camped for two days while we did the repair, removing the radiator and fan. We beat and bent the blades back and used a ton of epoxy for the radiator. Worked perfectly.
I now have a full Dynatrac front end, I will never again have any sort of "automatic 4wd".
I can't figure out how to post a picture.

Roberto - 5-1-2008 at 03:35 PM

I like the system on my Ford. ESOF (Electronic-shift-on-the-fly) that locks the front hubs via vacuum, with HML (Human-Manual-Lock) backup. The best of both worlds.

And yes, I have had to use the manual option.

RockhouseTom - 5-1-2008 at 04:36 PM

The best of both worlds....

I have the same set up on my F-250 and it is my tow rig for toys and our boat for Baja. We have an FJ, although it is my wifes car and has never been to Baja. :rolleyes: Maybe I'll get my chance soon. ;)

It is a fun and capable rig, but not good for any rear seat passengers other than small children.

[Edited on 5-1-2008 by RockhouseTom]

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Hook - 5-1-2008 at 04:52 PM

I drove my buddies FJ once.

I decided I knew what wearing a pair of blinders felt like. Really thought it had the worst visibility of any smallish vehicle I've driven..........but I've never driven any of the Hummers.

RockhouseTom - 5-1-2008 at 05:00 PM

Hook,

Your right they have very bad visibility. If your tall you have to low ride it and you can't see to the rear quarters easily, but do you really want to look back going down Mex 1.:light:

TMW - 5-5-2008 at 12:45 PM

The Beckman Tower crew from Fresno just came by to do a job for me and they had the FJ Cruiser with them. I asked what they think of it and everyone had very positive things to say. They did confirm there were blind spots and the windows are small and it does say to use premium gas, they run 89 not 91 in theirs. Overall they give it a thumbs up.