BajaNomad - Twin properies

Twin properies

BajaNuts - 5-12-2008 at 11:30 AM

Howdy nomads,I'm trying to find Dixon and Dawn Twin,of Pentiction BC.they were working on a realestate deal for me,sent them $6,000.00 as a deposit,and we agreed to meet in LaPaz in early may to close the deal (got a FM and a corperation)but when I arrive in LaPaz and call thier #s for thier office in town

isconected,cell phone # gone the # in BC is still good,they use Vonage.Would like to close the deal the Sellers are also in the dark,and would like thier money,but the Twins have all the paper work.I thought they had a lot in comitan,so if any one can tell me how to get a hold of them it would be great.
I think the deal is still on but with out the files very hard to close.Hate to think they took the money and ran,but could be the case,I'm in town till the 19th then I have to back to work,I will check the u2u for any info I have a local cell # that I can call anyone who has info on them.Thanks NUTS :?:

vandenberg - 5-12-2008 at 11:36 AM

Any particular reason you chose that handle. :?:

BajaNuts - 5-12-2008 at 11:39 AM

Well, I guess im just nuts about Baja,think it is a real cool place,and the Lapaz area is very nice (but dam hot) lol :spingrin:

comitan - 5-12-2008 at 11:42 AM

Sorry to tell you this nuts, but the word on the street is they went south(north) with everyones money. u2u for more info.

BajaNuts - 5-12-2008 at 12:02 PM

Well thats not good news,I heare hunting in BC is very good this time of year :mad:

CaboRon - 5-12-2008 at 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by comitan
Sorry to tell you this nuts, but the word on the street is they went south(north) with everyones money. u2u for more info.

As I understand it they had a sale of the furnishings in their apt and ran out on the rent of their apt and on their rent of their office, elec, water, etc, the office owner is not the type to sit back on something like this ...

I met them , and they seemed like such nice people.....

You never know, do you ???

Hope you find them up there ...

CaboRon

BajaNuts - 5-12-2008 at 12:58 PM

Well ron,they made one big mistake i only live 3hours from them and know the area well (don't worry all not going to do anything stupid ) all ready did that,yeah we met them earlyer this year and they did seem real nice,in fact I have had several e-mails from them regaurding the realestate deal since I have been here,but no closure,Is there any thing to file in Mexico that will flag them from entering the country, they sure dont need to do this again to other people,so if there any other folks who are scamed like me by the Twins please post or u2u me .thanks Real Nuts :fire:

vandenberg - 5-12-2008 at 01:04 PM

Quote:

thanks Real Nuts

Glad to see you haven't lost your sense of humor. :biggrin:

And you have a beautiful area to hunt them down in.

[Edited on 5-12-2008 by vandenberg]

capt. mike - 5-12-2008 at 01:04 PM

some one PLEASE correct me if i am wrong on this, but........as i unnerstang it there is no regulation of or licensing for RE agents in mexico. So you have all these USA and Cannuck expats running RE brokerages in mexican resort communities with franchises like Century 21 and remax all over the place.

is there even common application of Escrow management practices there? i know you can buy title insurance now, but what if you wanted to "deposit" on a property and close later - what does one do? hire a notario from the get go and pay thru the nose? i hate using attys for simple residential purchases in USA but of course here RE transcations are regulated and anyone with a brain escrows.

BajaNuts - 5-12-2008 at 01:27 PM

Well capt.mike,as somebody once said its Mexico,so buyer beware.

Heres the sad thing,there are a lot of realy hard working honest people trying to make a living in mexico selling realestate and I would say that they are providing a real service;as you all know buying in mexico is an adventure not for the weak at heart.Now I can deal with the loss of 6k,does this mean i wont buy in mexico,naw it will all work out;it's just another black eye for realestate agents,and the seller has to go through this all over again;what a shame

sd - 5-12-2008 at 01:40 PM

BajaNuts,

I am truly sorry about your problem. I hope you do find the jerk and get your money back.

Capt. Mike,

Real Estate agents in Baja are UNregulated!
1. Do not buy unless you buy title insurance. If not available, make sure you understand the risk!
2. Do not buy unless an attorney of your choice reviews all papers.
3. Understand your deposit may walk away, so be careful. ASK YOUR ATTORNEY.

If the deal seems to good to be true..........

tripledigitken - 5-12-2008 at 01:57 PM

As more of these stories come in, another "do not" may need to be added to the list..........................................

Don't deal with American or Canadian agents when buying property in Mexico.

Ken

sd - 5-12-2008 at 02:03 PM

Ken,

I think it is equal opportunity as who might take advantage of you. Not sure if it matters if it is in Mexico, US or Canada.

Keep in mind in Baja an "agent" is just an unregulated person trying to sell you something. Many are great, but cover yourself, and be willing to walk away from a "deal" if advised to do so.

Trust me said the real estate "agent".

BajaNuts - 5-12-2008 at 02:11 PM

Here is a link to the Twins web page

http://www.twinproperties.ca/

Maybe some know them, if not remember the name and face and spread the word,we cant get them all,

"I'm here to chew gum and kick ass,and I'm all out of gum" :lol:

darn chat filter

[Edited on 5-12-2008 by BajaNuts]

tripledigitken - 5-12-2008 at 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sd
Ken,

I think it is equal opportunity as who might take advantage of you. Not sure if it matters if it is in Mexico, US or Canada.

Keep in mind in Baja an "agent" is just an unregulated person trying to sell you something. Many are great, but cover yourself, and be willing to walk away from a "deal" if advised to do so.

Trust me said the real estate "agent".

All of that is true.

However, you just might be able to find a local Mexican agent easier is all. All of these US/Canadian scam artists bail out of the country.

Better yet try to deal with the principal directly with the aid of Notario and Lawyer.

In my limited experience, and friends of mine, that has proved to be a successful strategy.

Ken

CaboRon - 5-12-2008 at 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNuts
Is there any thing to file in Mexico that will flag them from entering the country,

You think you have a case for fraud in Mexico? If so, why try to keep them out? :biggrin:

--Larry

We want them to come back so that they can face the fraud charges that have been filed on them with the La Paz police.

Also I bellieve their office landloard has a little Mexican justice waiting for them.

CaboRon

BajaNuts - 5-12-2008 at 06:49 PM

Way to go Grover, yeah baby.Well it would be great if they came back and justice was served,but who wants this kind of trash in the country where they can pray on somebody else.We need more of what grover did, plaster thier dam picture all over the internet,and on every corner in town

BajaNuts - 5-12-2008 at 06:50 PM

This is a real tough way to get 25 posts so I can upload my avatar, lol

lizard lips - 5-12-2008 at 07:01 PM

I just called the Canada number for the Twins that is listed on their website and some woman answered and said that Mr. Twin will be in Canada in the next few days. Tele# 250-770-2988.

NO CHARGE

BajaNuts - 5-12-2008 at 07:26 PM

Cool,I tryed that a few times and only got the standard message.Thanks for the info

fulano - 5-12-2008 at 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNuts
Here is a link to the Twins web page

http://www.twinproperties.ca/

Maybe some know them, if not remember the name and face and spread the word,we cant get them all,

"I'm here to chew gum and kick burro,and I'm all out of gum" :lol:

darn chat filter

[Edited on 5-12-2008 by BajaNuts]

Have you ever heard of WhoIs? It is a service that reports the registered owners of a web address. Here is the relevent part of the WhoIs report on the IP address you posted:

Admin-Postal:
D Twin
Box 239
Penticton BC V2A 5R4 Canada
Admin-Phone: +1.2507702988
Admin-Fax:
Admin-Mailbox: twindix@hotmail.com

Hope that helps.

BajaNuts - 5-12-2008 at 08:18 PM

Just to clarify, the "Twins" are a married couple, Dawn and Dixon Twin.
Thanks for all the leads, there's even more info coming out of La Paz. We'll keep you posted as things develop.

Twins

bajalee - 5-13-2008 at 06:46 AM

The despicable Twins are currently illegally working in the US managing a condo complex in, I think, Fresno, California. Jesus Renero, the man who owns the coffee shop on the square (corner of Revolucion) has got hold of their address and phone number. He owns the office they worked out of (they still owe him for electric, rent and water bills). He has filed a criminal complaint against them. They do own a lot in Comitan or Chametla and I am told that their motor home is still there. (He is at the coffee shop after 9 at night.)

Bruce R Leech - 5-13-2008 at 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by capt. mike
some one PLEASE correct me if i am wrong on this, but........as i unnerstang it there is no regulation of or licensing for RE agents in mexico. So you have all these USA and Cannuck expats running RE brokerages in mexican resort communities with franchises like Century 21 and remax all over the place.

is there even common application of Escrow management practices there? i know you can buy title insurance now, but what if you wanted to "deposit" on a property and close later - what does one do? hire a notario from the get go and pay thru the nose? i hate using attys for simple residential purchases in USA but of course here RE transcations are regulated and anyone with a brain escrows.

Mike read the fine print on the back page of the title insurance contract. it explains where and when they will pay a claim. :lol:

they wont.

bajaguy - 5-13-2008 at 07:07 AM

If Sr Renero wishes to pursue this, and the Mexican authorities/prosecutor will agree to extradite (the crime has to be the equivalent of a felony in the US), he can attempt to have Mexican authorities issue a warrant. Then the Mexican Federal authorities can have an INTERPOL Red Notice issued. US authorities will pick up and extradite the Twins.

Or, if they are in Fresno, BajaNuts can contact the Fresno ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) office and attempt to file a complaint with them. If BajaNuts deposit was wired or mailed from the US, the feds (possibly the US Postal Inspectors) may get involved as the case may qualify for either wire or mail fraud.

One other thought: BajaNuts may be able to file a civil action against the Twins assets in Mexico and get a forfieture judgement that would get BajaNuts the Twins property.

[Edited on 5-13-2008 by bajaguy]

comitan - 5-13-2008 at 07:23 AM

Their RV is not on the lot in Comitan. The lot has a RE sign listed with local agent. Seems as tho they could put a lien on the lot.

baitcast - 5-13-2008 at 07:56 AM

Nomad task force in action :biggrin:

Gotta love it!
Rob

longlegsinlapaz - 5-13-2008 at 08:04 AM

There's a possibility that they took their RV to the states with them....or they could have moved it to some other property....or they may have left it at La Paz Mini Storage on the airport road. If they left it down here, it could conceivable be legally "appropriated" by Aduana/Customs since it's technically illegal to leave non-Mexican plated vehicles or other possessions behind when leaving the country, unless they meet some specific legal criteria, based on their immigration status (FMT, FM2, FM3, Swam the Rio Grande :lol:

). Kinda like the old backpackers motto....carry out all that you carried in!

BajaNuts - 5-13-2008 at 08:49 AM

Yeah you do baitcast;would like to give a big thanks to every body who has helped,and real big one to "Comitan, and Longlegs" Thanks so much :cool:

HotSchott - 5-13-2008 at 10:26 AM

I know some people that can fix your problem in Fresno.

longlegsinlapaz - 5-13-2008 at 08:38 PM

Larry, who are you relating to being one of a (rabid-assumed) pack of snarling street dogs???? :?:

BajaNuts - 5-14-2008 at 07:45 AM

Does anyone know if former landlord Sr Renero speaks English, and does he know about the Cumitan property which is listed for sale with Angelita's Bienes&Raice?
We have had several emails from TwinDix ( I'm not being mean, that is/was one of their email addresses at hotmail). Anyway, I think Sr Renero would be interest to see some of them.
Twindix vehemently deny any wrong doing, everyone screwed them over. We'll post more as it can be told, the story's not over on the Twins or the "professionals" they associate with.

CaboRon - 5-14-2008 at 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNuts
Does anyone know if former landlord Sr Renero speaks English, and does he know about the Cumitan property which is listed for sale with Angelita's Bienes&Raice?
We have had several emails from TwinDix ( I'm not being mean, that is/was one of their email addresses at hotmail). Anyway, I think Sr Renero would be interest to see some of them.
Twindix vehemently deny any wrong doing, everyone screwed them over. We'll post more as it can be told, the story's not over on the Twins or the "professionals" they associate with.

You might have to go to the restaurant to speak with him....

baitcast - 5-14-2008 at 08:07 AM

There,s blood in the water and I,m hooked.
Rob

mtgoat666 - 5-14-2008 at 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by baitcast
Nomad task force in action :biggrin:

Gotta love it!
Rob

Nomad lynch squad in action. Mob mentality. Tar and feather and libel the people on the basis of anonymous rumours. You guys have fun. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

CaboRon - 5-14-2008 at 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by baitcast
Nomad task force in action :biggrin:

Gotta love it!
Rob

Nomad lynch squad in action. Mob mentality. Tar and feather and libel the people on the basis of anonymous rumours. You guys have fun. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

mtgoat,

I actually know one of the people who were ripped off. They have posted on this thread. There is NO excuse for what the Twins did to some good people in La Paz.
CaboRon

mtgoat666

longlegsinlapaz - 5-14-2008 at 11:43 AM

Goat, where on earth are you getting the impression that any of this is based on "anonymous rumours"????? I personally met with Mrs. Bajanuts two days ago. This is not anonymous, nor is it rumor....it's a factual representation of what happened to the original poster & apparently others who either aren't BN members or don't know about it to have personally posted their own individual experiences of being defrauded by these people.

But then, you don't KNOW me, so I'm probably just another "anonymous rumour"-monger in your book; if you can't believe a factual report by a real live victim, nothing would convince you! :no:

Quote:

Nomad lynch squad in action. Mob mentality. Tar and feather and libel the people on the basis of anonymous rumours. You guys have fun. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

The Gull - 5-14-2008 at 01:33 PM

Just the goat showing how ignorance and bad taste can complement each other in one person.

Taco de Baja - 5-14-2008 at 01:59 PM

The goat is one of those people who ignores facts because he thinks it's better to go with his "feelings". That, and he's a bully-goat who likes to stir up trouble.

bajalee - 5-14-2008 at 02:01 PM

Facts:
When the Twins had their second yard sale, they sold Curtis' coffee maker, tried to sell Baja Ron's rug (and then gave it to the maid when it didn't sell! He finally got it back, thank goodness), sold my bedspread, toaster and my other kitchen stuff that they were using not to mention 3 potted palms. They cleaned out the apartment right down to the light bulbs. Stop quibbling. These are not nice people. They're petty thieves.

bajajazz - 5-14-2008 at 02:15 PM

I don't have a dog (Cormac McCarthy's or any other breed) in this fight but I personally know at least two of the parties who were ripped off by this sleazy pair of con artists and I see nothing wrong with exchanging information in order to bring a whiff of justice into this affair.

There is nothing sordid about exchanging information for the purpose of self-protection, that is precisely what neighborhood watch groups are all about. What we are doing here is the cyber-version of neighborhood watch, neighbor looking out for neighbor, the very essence of "community" and the advantages that are derived from it.

Likening us to snarling dogs is both disgusting and despicable. :mad:

BajaNuts - 5-14-2008 at 04:05 PM

Remember even the sun will shine on a dogs arse some days,
lets not stray from the facts,and start snaping at each other.If there are other people out there who have been wronged ,then come forward and we can band together,as Joe Friday said "the facts miss,just the facts.

"i.m here to chew gum and kick arse,and i'm all out of gum" :fire:

motoged - 5-14-2008 at 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNuts
Remember even the sun will shine on a dogs arse some days,
lets not stray from the facts,and start snaping at each other.

BN,
Good point :tumble:

Nomads...careful not to confirm the Goat's opinion.

BajaNuts - 5-14-2008 at 06:39 PM

Guess what I found in the storage unit at the airport today??????
Anybody wanna guess???

BajaLee-check your U2U box.

vandenberg - 5-14-2008 at 06:53 PM

A Puppie. :?:

CaboRon - 5-14-2008 at 06:58 PM

Most Excellent :yes:

CaboRon

bajaboolie - 5-14-2008 at 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNuts
Guess what I found in the storage unit at the airport today??????
Anybody wanna guess???

BajaLee-check your U2U box.

Do tell! I don't have any direct business with this or know anyone who has been cheated by these people, but have been following with interest. Don't leave us in the dark!

BajaNuts - 5-14-2008 at 07:24 PM

Okay, okay....
A Vectra Motorhome and white jeep with British Columbia plates and a "for sale" sign in the window. Looks JUST LIKE the one on their website that's listed for sale for $35,000.
Coincidence?????
what do you think?

bajajudy - 5-14-2008 at 07:40 PM

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

comitan - 5-14-2008 at 07:50 PM

:light:

The Gull - 5-15-2008 at 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNuts
Okay, okay....
A Vectra Motorhome and white jeep with British Columbia plates and a "for sale" sign in the window. Looks JUST LIKE the one on their website that's listed for sale for $35,000.
Coincidence?????
what do you think?

Start speading some money around the area asking for people to find the owner because you want to buy the vehicles.

Then spread more money around the area looking for leg breakers. They always come out to play when there is money involved. Think former policemen.

Find the targets and let the leg breakers take it from there.

Follow the trail to the hospital with the local police, who have of course, been appropriately motivated.

To get your money back will cost more than you plan. Paying an attorney will have to happen eventually, but for now, get yourself some police friendship and get them in a jail.

Better yet, have someone steal the two vehicles for you (more money) and put them in another storage facility. Things will work out in the end, with much less cost to you.

[Edited on 5-15-2008 by The Gull]

vandenberg - 5-15-2008 at 08:21 AM

Gully,gully, gully.....
Your evil side is showing... :biggrin:

CaboRon - 5-15-2008 at 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vandenberg
Gully,gully, gully.....
Your evil side is showing... :biggrin:

Never thought I would agree with the gull .... but *** does seem to know how to get things done in Mexico.

CaboRon

[Edited on 5-16-2008 by Hose A]

vandenberg - 5-15-2008 at 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboRon

Quote:

Originally posted by vandenberg
Gully,gully, gully.....
Your evil side is showing... :biggrin:

Never thought I would agree with the gull .... but *** does seem to know how to get things done in Mexico.

CaboRon

And also a quick way to the slammer. :no:

[Edited on 5-16-2008 by Hose A]

CortezBlue - 5-15-2008 at 02:49 PM

What I think is amazing is the fact that you know they are reading this web page. I am curious if they are laughing or not sleeping nights.
After hearing about kidnapping that is taking place, why can't it happen to the right folks? :no:

BajaNuts - 5-16-2008 at 12:16 PM

update on the saga...

Twins continue to claim to be innocent. I think they are not sleeping nights. Get this...we submitted an offer to the seller through another agent (who was doing it at no commission) for what would have been the balance of the purchase price after the Twins took the 6K. The seller came back with a counteroffer...not only did they want the full price, they RAISED the price by $50,000 pesos!

So does anyone know how to seize property or lien property in MX?

BajaNuts - 5-16-2008 at 12:20 PM

I also think this website is amazing. I thought I was completely on my own. Not only did I find Twins' former landlords (home and office), I met them both, located all their property, got leads enough to track them to Fresno, and met some really cool people in La Paz.
Could have used this site months ago.

comitan - 5-16-2008 at 12:38 PM

Your best bet on the lien would be Jim at the storage yard.