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Safety while in Northern Baja

Udo - 5-20-2008 at 04:42 PM

I just read a Spanish post from Eduardo De La Pena who is a member of the "bajacamping" user group in Yahoo. Eduardo regularly organizes camping trips (all tents, no RV's) all over Baja, and he's a regular guy who tells-it-like-it-is. I really like his posts and his positive attitude. His most recent post lists a LONG list of do's and don't's while in Northern Baja, and especially in Tijuana. I could translate it all, but it would take me three hours to type it (i'm slow), but for those who read Spanish, here is a link to the post:
http://mx.groups.yahoo.com/group/bajacalifornias/message/824
He really has a superb way of communicating (he sounds well educated).

Aventurera - 5-20-2008 at 06:10 PM

Can you copy and paste his post? Can't get in to see it without joining the Yahoo Group!

Udo - 5-20-2008 at 06:55 PM

Thanx for letting me know. I am not a computer wiz, therefore I'll do my best to comply. I'm sure there is a keyboard combo to do just that, but I have enough trouble just typing without any spelling errors.

Udo - 5-20-2008 at 07:37 PM

To the best of my ability I did a cut (ctrl X) of the email and paste on the BN board (ctrl v). But so far no luck.
Any help?

Udo - 5-20-2008 at 07:42 PM

*/El día de hoy en Oficinas Centrales DE LA PROCURADURÍA tuvimos una plática con Víctor H. Aguirre de la Cia. Vance Internacional, quien ha brindado protección a nivel /presidencial, participado y dirigido operativos contra el crimen organizado, fungió como Agente Instructor Principal en áreas de seguridad como: Protección a Ejecutivos, Manejo Evasivo y Seguridad Intramuros.**Fue entrenado por ex agentes de Servicio Secreto y Fuerzas Especiales del Ejército Estadounidense. /***/** **Algunos de los tip's que mencionó y quisiera compartir con Uds. son:**1. Traer la tarjeta de circulación en una bolsita y guardarla en la*cajuela del auto2. . Portar una sola tarjeta de crédito y por lo menos 1 mil pesos /(para tener que entregar en caso de asalto). Recuerden que por cada tarjeta se pueden retirar 4 mil pesos, si por lo menos traen 3, valen12 mil pesos, que se pueden convertir en 24 mil si los retienen hasta el otro día**3. . No portar tarjetas de presentación ni
fotografías de familiares en la cartera4. . No portar credencial de elector, a menos que se tenga planeado hacer algún movimiento bancario o de otra índole en donde se ocupe5. No mostrar en la calle el teléfono celular6. . Si suena el celular y vamos caminando por la calle, debemos pegarnos a la pared, observar hacia ambos lados, contestar y pedir a la persona que llama que marque después7. . Vestir en forma modesta**8. Observar siempre manos y ojos de cualquier extraño que camine hacia nosotros, si trae las manos en las
bolsas posiblemente traiga un arma**9. . En un estacionamiento o en la calle, no apuntar con e l control que abre el auto a más de 50 cms del vehículo, pues alguien puede estar observándonos.10. . En caso inevitable de ser asaltados mientras abrimos el auto levantar las manos, ver hacia abajo (nunca ver de frente al asaltante)/ /y escuchar lo que nos demanda: Las alternativas en esta ocasión son a) / no permitir que nos suba al auto, negociando: llévate el auto, mi dinero, cartera, etc. (98% de las personas que son subidas al auto/ mueren/ b) Repetirle siempre 'tranquilo, haré lo que me dices'por ejemplo: 'tengo mi cartera en la bolsa /derecha y la voy a sacar'.c) En caso de que insista en subirlos al auto, fingir un desmayo o un ataque de asma (tal vez les de una o dos patadas, pero no intentará cargarlos, lo más seguro es que se suba al auto y se vaya) 11. . Hay que variar rutas y no ser predecible. Si vamos en el auto: a/ No verlo.
b. Generalmente llegan en diagonal, no de lado ni de frente. C.- Los lugares más comunes para asaltos son topes, cruces y semáforos. Por lo cual hay que estar viendo por el espejo
retrovisor y los laterales/.

d.- Cristales arriba y seguros abajo/

e). No traer bolsas o chamarras a la vista, es mejor que vengan en la cajuela/

12. Cuidarse de los limpiavidrios y no permitirles que se suban al cofre (casi siempre están observando que traemos) /13. Como forma de prevención hay que utilizar carriles centrales, /pues generalmente llegan a atacar a los autos que se encuentran en las orillas 14. **14. Dejar un metro de distancia del auto de enfrente por
si es/necesario chocarlo para que se baje y frustre el asaltoSECUESTROS.
**Factores de riesgo:**
**1. Ir siempre por la misma ruta**
**2. Viajar solo**
**3. Frecuentar áreas inseguras**
**4. Mostrar efectos personales de alto valor (aretes, reloj,
laptops /celular, etc.)/**//
//SECUESTRO POR RESCATE
/1. Generalmente a altos ejecutivos

2. Planeados**
3. Cometidos en la cercanía de caso u oficina

4, lo cometen de 4 a 6 personas

/SECUESTRO EXPRESS: **1. Víctima seleccionada al azar****2. Cometido alrededor de un cajero automático****3. Buscan joyas y dinero rápido****4. Víctima liberada en cuestión de horas****5. Generalmente suceden los viernes después de las 6 PM y en quincenas /SECUESTRO VIRTUAL:/1. Cuando llegan diciendo que representan a una compañía, por ejemplo teléfonos, Televisa, o diciendo que un pariente ha tenido un accidente y que es necesario que vaya etc.) /CAJEROS AUTOMÁTICOS/1. No ir solos, y en lo posible, no realizar retiros en las noches o quincenas2. Buscar un cajero que no esté en un rumbo solitario o desconocido3. Cuando retiramos dinero en un banco, pedirle al cajero que cuente nuevamente en forma lenta el dinero, no es recomendable volverlo a contar frente a los demás /PRECAUCIONES EN LUGARES PÚBLICOS:/**//**/1. En un restaurante, sentarse en un lugar que esté cerca a una/***/ /***/salida de emergencia y en donde a la vez tengamos a la vista la entrada principal/***/**2. Caminar lo más despegados posibles de la pared en la calle.****3. No caminar en calles oscuras.****4. Estacionarse cerca de las entradas en los centros comerciales**5. Cuando nos pidan la hora en la calle, ignorarlos y seguirnos de** **frente, ya que no sabemos cuales son las intenciones reales.

HOTELES: **1.- Procurar instalarse en pisos del 1 al 5to. (las escaleras de los bomberos sólo llegan a esa altura) **/2.- No devolver la tarjeta de acceso al cuarto, pues contiene toda tu/ /información personal y de crédito que puede ser usada por cualquier *persona que la obtenga. / / **/Como experto en la materia de seguridad bien lo mencionó, 'si tienen un plan, nosotros también debemos tenerlo', así que les pido que pasen esta información a todos sus conocidos.**/*


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Subject: FW: POR FAVOR TOMEN TODO EN CUENTA
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:25:45 -0700





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Subject: POR FAVOR TOMEN TODO EN CUENTA
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:25:20 -0300



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Subject: FW: RV: POR FAVOR TOMEN TODO EN CUENTA'mooncat_18@...'
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:17:45 -0700






*/El día de hoy en Oficinas Centrales DE LA PROCURADURÍA tuvimos una plática con Víctor H. Aguirre de la Cia. Vance Internacional, quien ha brindado protección a nivel /presidencial, participado y dirigido operativos contra el crimen organizado, fungió como Agente Instructor Principal en áreas de seguridad como: Protección a Ejecutivos, Manejo Evasivo y Seguridad Intramuros.**Fue entrenado por ex agentes de Servicio Secreto y Fuerzas Especiales del Ejército Estadounidense. /***/** **Algunos de los tip's que mencionó y quisiera compartir con Uds. son:**1. Traer la tarjeta de circulación en una bolsita y guardarla en la*cajuela del auto2. . Portar una sola tarjeta de crédito y por lo menos 1 mil pesos /(para tener que entregar en caso de asalto). Recuerden que por cada tarjeta se pueden retirar 4 mil pesos, si por lo menos traen 3, valen12 mil pesos, que se pueden convertir en 24 mil si los retienen hasta el otro día**3. . No portar tarjetas de presentación
ni fotografías de familiares en la cartera4. . No portar credencial de elector, a menos que se tenga planeado hacer algún movimiento bancario o de otra índole en donde se ocupe5. No mostrar en la calle el teléfono celular6. . Si suena el celular y vamos caminando por la calle, debemos pegarnos a la pared, observar hacia ambos lados, contestar y pedir a la persona que llama que marque después7. . Vestir en forma modesta**8. Observar siempre manos y ojos de cualquier extraño que camine hacia nosotros, si trae las manos en las
bolsas posiblemente traiga un arma**9. . En un estacionamiento o en la calle, no apuntar con e l control que abre el auto a más de 50 cms del vehículo, pues alguien puede estar observándonos.10. . En caso inevitable de ser asaltados mientras abrimos el auto levantar las manos, ver hacia abajo (nunca ver de frente al asaltante)/ /y escuchar lo que nos demanda: Las alternativas en esta ocasión son a) / no permitir que nos suba al auto,
negociando: llévate el auto, mi dinero, cartera, etc. (98% de las personas que son subidas al auto/ mueren/ b) Repetirle siempre 'tranquilo, haré lo que me dices'por ejemplo: 'tengo mi cartera en la bolsa /derecha y la voy a sacar'.c) En caso de que insista en subirlos al auto, fingir un desmayo o un ataque de asma (tal vez les de una o dos patadas, pero no intentará cargarlos, lo más seguro es que se suba al auto y se vaya) 11.
. Hay que variar rutas y no ser predecible. Si vamos en el auto: a/ No verlo. b. Generalmente llegan en diagonal, no de lado ni de frente.

C.- Los lugares más comunes para asaltos son topes, cruces

y semáforos. Por lo cual hay que estar viendo por el espejo
retrovisor y los laterales/.

d.- Cristales arriba y seguros abajo/

e). No traer bolsas o chamarras a la vista, es mejor que vengan en la cajuela/

12. Cuidarse de los limpiavidrios
y no permitirles que se suban al cofre (casi siempre están observando que traemos) /13. Como forma de prevención hay que utilizar carriles centrales, /pues generalmente llegan a atacar a los autos que se encuentran en las orillas 14. **14. Dejar un metro de distancia del auto de enfrente por si es/necesario chocarlo para que se baje y frustre el asalto*/SECUESTROS.
**Factores de riesgo:**
**1. Ir siempre por la misma ruta**
**2. Viajar solo**
**3. Frecuentar áreas inseguras**
**4. Mostrar efectos personales de alto valor (aretes, reloj,
laptops /celular, etc.)/**//

*/
//SECUESTRO POR RESCATE
/1. Generalmente a altos ejecutivos

2. Planeados**
3. Cometidos en la cercanía de caso u oficina

4, lo cometen de 4 a 6 personas

/SECUESTRO EXPRESS: **1. Víctima seleccionada al azar****2. Cometido alrededor de un cajero automático****3. Buscan joyas y dinero
rápido****4. Víctima liberada en cuestión de horas****5. Generalmente suceden los viernes después de las 6 PM y en quincenas *//SECUESTRO VIRTUAL: /1. Cuando llegan diciendo que representan a una compañía, por ejemplo teléfonos, Televisa, o diciendo que un pariente ha tenido un accidente y que es necesario que vaya etc.) */ *//CAJEROS AUTOMÁTICOS/1. No ir solos, y en lo posible, no realizar retiros en las noches o quincenas2. Buscar un cajero que no esté en un rumbo solitario o desconocido3. Cuando retiramos dinero en un banco, pedirle al cajero que cuente nuevamente en forma lenta el dinero, no es recomendable volverlo a contar frente a los demás /PRECAUCIONES EN LUGARES PÚBLICOS:/**//
**/1. En un restaurante, sentarse en un lugar que esté cerca a una/***/
/***/salida de emergencia y en donde a la vez tengamos a la vista
la entrada principal/***/
**2. Caminar lo más despegados posibles de la pared en la calle.**
**3. No caminar en calles oscuras.**
**4. Estacionarse cerca de las entradas en los centros
comerciales*

*5. Cuando nos pidan la hora en la calle, ignorarlos y seguirnos de**
**frente, ya que no sabemos cuales son las intenciones reales.

HOTELES: **1.- Procurar instalarse en pisos del 1 al 5to. (las escaleras de los bomberos sólo llegan a esa altura) **/2.- No devolver la tarjeta de acceso al cuarto, pues contiene toda tu/ /información personal y de crédito que puede ser usada por cualquier *persona que la obtenga. / / **/Como experto en la materia de seguridad bien lo mencionó, 'si tienen un plan, nosotros también debemos tenerlo', así que les pido que pasen esta información a todos sus
conocidos.**/*




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Udo - 5-20-2008 at 07:44 PM

I'll be ******!
It pays to have & read some of the computer books.............

ARRE!

[Edited on 5-21-2008 by Hose A]

Aventurera - 5-20-2008 at 08:03 PM

Thanks...that's good information. I have to be more careful about carrying credit cards because it's true that the more you carry with you, the more they can get from you. On the other hand, I don't even know the PINs for most of my cards since I never use them for cash withdrawals, so I'd probably just get shot. :no:

Udo - 5-20-2008 at 08:14 PM

Ey, senorita Aventurera!
I'm impressed that someone else can read and understand Spanish. I hope that other Nomads will be as well informed as you and I are.
I could be wrong...but I think that there is a way to do the same cut & paste to WORD, and then to change the language code to Spanish.

Don't ask me!

Ken Cooke - 5-20-2008 at 08:16 PM

That's great information for everyone to keep. The website http://www.freetranslation.com/ contains a spanish to english transation dialogue box that allows translation of (most) text which is cut & paste. Similar information appeared in the Lonely Planet guidebook of Peru. When traveling to Lima and also the Amazon last summer, I was repeatedly reminded of these facts of life which affects everyone who lives and travels there.

Udo - 5-20-2008 at 08:40 PM

Ey, Ken!
Excellent photo of you. It's so nice to meet a face with the name.

BajaWarrior - 5-20-2008 at 09:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by udowinkler
Ey, Ken!
Excellent photo of you. It's so nice to meet a face with the name.


For more faces check under Baja Photo Gallery and click on Mugshots, revisited...

Welcome to the board.

[Edited on 5-21-2008 by BajaWarrior]

Ken Cooke - 5-20-2008 at 09:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by udowinkler
Ey, Ken!
Excellent photo of you. It's so nice to meet a face with the name.

It's an excellent photo, because it was a picture-perfect day in Playas de Tijuana, and I find it easier to smile when in Baja. :tumble: :yes:

The information about your camping in Baja group is great. I will sign up when I get the chance. This will be a welcome addition to all of the 4WD listserves I belong to.

fulano - 5-20-2008 at 10:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by udowinkler
[I just translated number 10...fulano]

10. If you cannot avoid being assaulted while opening your car, raise your hands, look down (never look at your assailant) and listen to what is demanded of you:

Your alternatives are:

a) do not allow yourself to be put in the car, negotiate: take the car, my money, wallet, etc.. (98% of people who are put into the car die);

b) Keep repeating "stay calm, I'll do as you say", for example: "I have my wallet in my bag let me take it out";

c) In case they insist that you get into the car, feign fainting or an asthma attack (they may kick you once or twice, but not attempt to load you into the car, it is safer that they get into the car and go).


Hey Udo, I just noticed you live in Running Springs. I used to live there. On Glen Oak, just off of Live Oak.

Udo - 5-21-2008 at 07:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fulano
Quote:
Originally posted by udowinkler
[I just translated number 10...fulano]

10. If you cannot avoid being assaulted while opening your car, raise your hands, look down (never look at your assailant) and listen to what is demanded of you:

Your alternatives are:

a) do not allow yourself to be put in the car, negotiate: take the car, my money, wallet, etc.. (98% of people who are put into the car die);

b) Keep repeating "stay calm, I'll do as you say", for example: "I have my wallet in my bag let me take it out";

c) In case they insist that you get into the car, feign fainting or an asthma attack (they may kick you once or twice, but not attempt to load you into the car, it is safer that they get into the car and go).


Hey Udo, I just noticed you live in Running Springs. I used to live there. On Glen Oak, just off of Live Oak.


Hola Fulano!
I Live on Live Oak between Acorn and All View, right in the middle if the steep part that everyone hates in the winter. My driveway has seen over 150 accidents since I've lived here. In slippery conditions, I sit on a beach chair and watch the entertainment.

bajaguy - 5-21-2008 at 08:03 AM

Is that little cafe/bakery next to (what was) the 76 station in Running Springs still open???

fulano - 5-21-2008 at 09:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by udowinkler
Hola Fulano!
I Live on Live Oak between Acorn and All View, right in the middle if the steep part that everyone hates in the winter. My driveway has seen over 150 accidents since I've lived here. In slippery conditions, I sit on a beach chair and watch the entertainment.

It's a small world. I must have driven by your house a 1,000 times. My sister-in-law lives 2 blocks from you, on Summit and Live Oak.

gringette - 5-21-2008 at 12:05 PM

Hi All - I haven't been here in a while, but been keeping an ear out for what's going on in baja... and the recent reports brought me back to read the 'inside scoop'.

i copied and pasted the post above and used "google language tools" (you can find it on the google mainpage, small type link to the right) and got this, for all the pple like me who can't read spanish. a bit rough, but you can suss out the general info


* / Today in Central offices of the Attorney we had a chat with Victor H. Aguirre of Cia. Vance International, who has provided protection at / presidential participated and conducted operations against organized crime, served as Chief Agent Instructor in security areas as: Executive Protection, Management and Security evasive Intramuros .** He was trained by former agents Secret Service and U.S. Army Special Forces. /***/** ** Some of the tip that's mentioned and I would like to share with you. are:

** 1. Bring the card circulation in a bag and save it in the trunk of * auto2. . Carrying a single credit card and at least 1 thousand pesos / (for having to surrender in case of assault). Remember that for every card can withdraw 4 thousand pesos, if at least bring 3, valen12 thousand pesos, which can be converted into 24 thousand if retained until the other day

** 3. . Do not carry cards presentation or
photographs of relatives in the cartera4. . Not carrying voter credential, unless it has planned to make some movement or other banking where ocupe5. Do not show your phone on the street celular6. . If the cell phone rings and we walk down the street, we stuck to the wall, to observe both sides, answer and ask the caller who dials después7. . Dress modestly in

** 8. Observe always hands and eyes of any stranger to walk towards us, if you bring your hands on bags may bring a weapon

** 9. . In a parking lot or on the street, not to point the control that opens the car more than 50 cm of his vehicle, someone can be observándonos.

10. . If unavoidable being assaulted while we opened the car lift their hands, watching down (never see in front of the assailant) / / and listen to what we demand: The alternatives are on this occasion) / not allow us to climb car , To negotiate: Take the car, my money, wallet, etc.. (98% of people who are hikes to auto / die / b) Repeat always' quiet, so I'll do dices'por example: 'I have my wallet in the bag / right and I will draw'. C) In case upload insist that the car, a pretend fainting or an asthma attack (perhaps one or two of them kicking, but not attempt to charge them, it is safer to climb the car and go)

11. . We need to vary routes and not be predictable. If we are in the car: a Not seeing.
B. Generally arrive diagonally, rather than hand or forehead. C. - The most common assaults are caps, crossings and traffic lights. As such we must be looking in the mirror
and side mirror.

d. - Crystals up and down insurance /

e). Do not bring bags or jackets in sight, it is better to come in the trunk /

12. Taking care of cleaner and not allow them to rise to chest (noting that almost always brings) /

13. As a means of prevention must be central to use lanes, / because usually come to attack the cars that are on the shores

14. ** 14. Leave one meter away from the car in front of
if / Choco necessary in order to get out and frustrate the asaltoSECUESTROS.
** Risk factors: **
** 1. Go provided by the same route **
** 2. Travelling only **
** 3. Frequent unsafe areas **
** 4. Show personal effects of high value (earrings, watch,
laptops / cellular, etc. .)/**//
/ / Kidnappers to rescue
/ 1. Generally senior executives

2. PLAN **
3. Tasks in the vicinity of home or office

4, is committed to 4 to 6 people

/ Secuestro Express: ** 1. Victim randomly selected **** 2. Role around an ATM **** 3. Looking for quick money and jewels **** 4. Victim released within hours **** 5. Usually happen on Friday after 6 pm and quincenas / kidnapping VIRTUAL: / 1. When they arrive, saying they represent a company, for instance telephones, Televisa, or saying that a relative has had an accident and that we need to go.) / ATM / 1. Do not go alone, and if possible, not to make withdrawals at night or quincenas2. Find an ATM that is not in a course alone or desconocido3. When we withdrew money in a bank, ask the cashier that has slowly again in the money, it is not advisable to re-count compared to others / caution in public places :/**//**/ 1. In a restaurant, sit in a place that is close to a /***/ /***/ emergency exit and where to have time to view the main entrance /***/** 2. Walking over the possible ends of the wall on the street .**** 3. Do not walk in dark streets .**** 4. Parking near the entrances to shopping malls ** 5. When we ask for time on the streets, ignore them and follow ** ** front, we do not know what the real intentions.

Hotels: ** 1 .- Seek installed on floors 1 to 5th. (staircases of firefighters only reach that height) ** / 2 .- Do not return the card to access the fourth since it contains all your / / personal information and credit that can be used by any person who obtains *. / / ** / As skilled in the art of security as well mentioned, 'if they have a plan, we must also bear', so I ask you to pass this information to everyone you know .**/*
Spanish

Udo - 5-21-2008 at 02:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gringette
Hi All - I haven't been here in a while, but been keeping an ear out for what's going on in baja... and the recent reports brought me back to read the 'inside scoop'.

i copied and pasted the post above and used "google language tools" (you can find it on the google mainpage, small type link to the right) and got this, for all the pple like me who can't read spanish. a bit rough, but you can suss out the general info


* / Today in Central offices of the Attorney we had a chat with Victor H. Aguirre of Cia. Vance International, who has provided protection at / presidential participated and conducted operations against organized crime, served as Chief Agent Instructor in security areas as: Executive Protection, Management and Security evasive Intramuros .** He was trained by former agents Secret Service and U.S. Army Special Forces. /***/** ** Some of the tip that's mentioned and I would like to share with you. are:

** 1. Bring the card circulation in a bag and save it in the trunk of * auto2. . Carrying a single credit card and at least 1 thousand pesos / (for having to surrender in case of assault). Remember that for every card can withdraw 4 thousand pesos, if at least bring 3, valen12 thousand pesos, which can be converted into 24 thousand if retained until the other day

** 3. . Do not carry cards presentation or
photographs of relatives in the cartera4. . Not carrying voter credential, unless it has planned to make some movement or other banking where ocupe5. Do not show your phone on the street celular6. . If the cell phone rings and we walk down the street, we stuck to the wall, to observe both sides, answer and ask the caller who dials después7. . Dress modestly in

** 8. Observe always hands and eyes of any stranger to walk towards us, if you bring your hands on bags may bring a weapon

** 9. . In a parking lot or on the street, not to point the control that opens the car more than 50 cm of his vehicle, someone can be observándonos.

10. . If unavoidable being assaulted while we opened the car lift their hands, watching down (never see in front of the assailant) / / and listen to what we demand: The alternatives are on this occasion) / not allow us to climb car , To negotiate: Take the car, my money, wallet, etc.. (98% of people who are hikes to auto / die / b) Repeat always' quiet, so I'll do dices'por example: 'I have my wallet in the bag / right and I will draw'. C) In case upload insist that the car, a pretend fainting or an asthma attack (perhaps one or two of them kicking, but not attempt to charge them, it is safer to climb the car and go)

11. . We need to vary routes and not be predictable. If we are in the car: a Not seeing.
B. Generally arrive diagonally, rather than hand or forehead. C. - The most common assaults are caps, crossings and traffic lights. As such we must be looking in the mirror
and side mirror.

d. - Crystals up and down insurance /

e). Do not bring bags or jackets in sight, it is better to come in the trunk /

12. Taking care of cleaner and not allow them to rise to chest (noting that almost always brings) /

13. As a means of prevention must be central to use lanes, / because usually come to attack the cars that are on the shores

14. ** 14. Leave one meter away from the car in front of
if / Choco necessary in order to get out and frustrate the asaltoSECUESTROS.
** Risk factors: **
** 1. Go provided by the same route **
** 2. Travelling only **
** 3. Frequent unsafe areas **
** 4. Show personal effects of high value (earrings, watch,
laptops / cellular, etc. .)/**//
/ / Kidnappers to rescue
/ 1. Generally senior executives

2. PLAN **
3. Tasks in the vicinity of home or office

4, is committed to 4 to 6 people

/ Secuestro Express: ** 1. Victim randomly selected **** 2. Role around an ATM **** 3. Looking for quick money and jewels **** 4. Victim released within hours **** 5. Usually happen on Friday after 6 pm and quincenas / kidnapping VIRTUAL: / 1. When they arrive, saying they represent a company, for instance telephones, Televisa, or saying that a relative has had an accident and that we need to go.) / ATM / 1. Do not go alone, and if possible, not to make withdrawals at night or quincenas2. Find an ATM that is not in a course alone or desconocido3. When we withdrew money in a bank, ask the cashier that has slowly again in the money, it is not advisable to re-count compared to others / caution in public places :/**//**/ 1. In a restaurant, sit in a place that is close to a /***/ /***/ emergency exit and where to have time to view the main entrance /***/** 2. Walking over the possible ends of the wall on the street .**** 3. Do not walk in dark streets .**** 4. Parking near the entrances to shopping malls ** 5. When we ask for time on the streets, ignore them and follow ** ** front, we do not know what the real intentions.

Hotels: ** 1 .- Seek installed on floors 1 to 5th. (staircases of firefighters only reach that height) ** / 2 .- Do not return the card to access the fourth since it contains all your / / personal information and credit that can be used by any person who obtains *. / / ** / As skilled in the art of security as well mentioned, 'if they have a plan, we must also bear', so I ask you to pass this information to everyone you know .**/*
Spanish


This is a good, but GENERAL translation of the original post. I really appreciate gringette for going through the trouble to translate via the translation program.
But as most of us can see, some of the gist of the meaning is lost in the translation. I don't know if I could have done a better job, but those of us who know the language thoroughly understand the instructions given by the writer.

gringette - 5-21-2008 at 03:09 PM

ifn you can do better, then DO IT. if not, i think i covered it with "rough translation"

duh.

Udo - 5-21-2008 at 05:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Is that little cafe/bakery next to (what was) the 76 station in Running Springs still open???


The little cafe is still open and, yes, the Union 76 is still there (gas is $4.09/gal/reg)

Aventurera - 5-21-2008 at 09:00 PM

Okay, since the online translation was a little shaky in places, I translated the tips. Some seem a bit over-the-top, but some are quite useful. Here ya go:

Today in the Central Offices of the Attorney General, we had a chat with Victor H. Aguirre from Vance International, who has provided presidential protection, participated in and directed operations against organized crime, acted as Principal Instructor of Agents in areas of security, such as: Protection of Executives, Evasive Driving and Intramural [?] Security. He was trained by former Secret Service Agents and Special Forces of the U.S. Army. Some of the tips that he mentioned and would like to share with you are:

1. Carry your driver’s license in a little bag and keep it in the trunk of the car.
2. Carry only one credit card and at least 1,000 pesos (to give up in case of assault.) Remember that for each credit card, one can withdraw 4,000 pesos; if you carry at least 3, they’re worth 12,000 pesos which can turn into 24,000 if they keep you until the next day.
3. Don’t carry business cards or family photos in your wallet.
4. Don’t carry your Voter Registration card unless you plan to make a bank transaction or something of that type. [edit: I think that applies mainly to Mexican citizens since this is a form of ID there.]
5. Don’t show your cellular phone on the street.
6. If the cell phone rings and we’re walking down the street, we must get close to a wall, look both ways, answer and ask the person calling to call back later.
7. Dress modestly.
8. Always notice the hands and eyes of any stranger who walks toward us; if he has his hands in his pockets, he might be carrying a gun.
9. In a parking lot or on the street, don’t point the car’s remote control device more than 50 centimeters [20 inches] from the vehicle because anyone could be watching us.
10. In the case of an unavoidable attack, while opening the car, hold up your hands, look down (never look at the face of the attacker) and listen to what they say: the alternatives in this case are a) not allowing them to put us into their car, negotiating: “Take the car, my money, wallet, etc.” (98% of the people who are put in the car die), b) keep repeating “Relax, I’ll do whatever you say,” for example, “I have my wallet in my right pocket and I’m going to take it out”, c) if they insist on putting us into their car, fake fainting or an asthma attack (they might give you a kick or two, but they won’t try to carry you; mostly likely, they’ll get in the car and take off.)
11. You have to change routes and not be predictable. If we’re going in a car:
a) Don’t look at it/him. [edit: not sure what he meant here!]
b) They generally arrive at the diagonal, not from the side or the front.
c) The most common places for assaults are speed bumps, intersections and stoplights. For this reason, you have to keep looking in the rear view and side mirrors.
d) Windows up and car locks down.
e) Don’t carry purses or jackets in view; it’s better to carry them in the trunk.
12. Be careful of the people who wash windows and don’t let them climb up on the hood (as they are almost always looking at what we are carrying.)
13. As a form of prevention, use the middle lanes because they generally attack the cars on the sides.
14. Leave a meter [about 3 feet] of distance from the car in front of you in case it is necessary to rear-end him so that he gets out of the car and frustrates the attackers/kidnappers.

Risk factors:
1. Always taking the same route.
2. Traveling alone.
3. Frequenting unsafe areas.
4. Displaying personal items of high value (earrings, watch, laptops, cell phone, etc.)

Kidnapping for Rescue/Ransom:
1. Normally senior executives
2. Planned
3. Done close to the home or office
4. Done by 4 – 6 people

“Express” Kidnapping:
1. Victim chosen at random
2. Done close to an ATM
3. They look for jewelry and quick money
4. Victim freed in a matter of hours
5. Normally happen Fridays after 6 pm or on paydays

“Virtual” kidnappings:
1. When they come saying that they represent a company, such as telephone, Televisa, or saying that a relative has had an accident and that you need to come, etc.

ATMs:
1. Don’t go alone, and if possible, don’t do transactions at night or on paydays.
2. Look for an ATM that isn’t in an isolated or unknown area.
3. When taking money from the bank, ask the teller to count the money again slowly; it’s not recommended to count it again in front of others.

Precautions in Public Areas:
1. In a restaurant, sit somewhere close to an emergency exit and with a view of the front door.
2. In the street, walk as far as possible from the wall.
3. Don’t walk on dark streets.
4. Park close to the entrance in malls.
5. If someone asks for the time, ignore him and keep walking since you don’t know his real intentions.

Hotels:
1. Try to get a room on the 1st to 5th floor (the fire escapes only go up this far).
2. Don’t return the room key card since it contains all your personal and credit information and can be used by anyone who gets a hold of it.

[Edited on 5-22-2008 by Aventurera]

gringette - 5-22-2008 at 12:28 AM

right on! thanks so much Adventurarer (?sp) i had the broad strokes with the bot translation... but this is muy bueno-er. :P

Capt. George - 5-22-2008 at 02:19 AM

Seems like all these fear posts are mostly posted by newbies to Baja Nomads.

Are we, the older generation, just stupid, living in a dream world, or is all this fear a product of the gated community generation?

It all seems a little over the top. If I took all these recent posts to heart, I wouldn't leave my closet!

Iflyfish - 5-22-2008 at 03:15 AM

Capt. George

"I wouldn't leave my closet!"

Promise? Didn't know you were in the closet.

Now I realize humor is difficult on the internet, but I will give it another try.

Iflyfish

Capt. George - 5-22-2008 at 05:12 AM

oh stop, I swear to God, I'll just kill you!

now I'm going back into the closet with my moo-moos...........

Udo - 5-22-2008 at 08:06 AM

I FEEL WE NEED TO GIVE GRINGETTE A LARGE RIGHT-ON FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TRANSLATE THE ORIGINAL POST INTO AN UNDERSTANDABLE READ BY US GRINGOS![/I]

fdt - 5-22-2008 at 08:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by udowinkler
I hope that other Nomads will be as well informed as you and I are.

:?::?::?::?::?::?::?::?::?::?:

gringette - 5-22-2008 at 10:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Capt. George
Seems like all these fear posts are mostly posted by newbies to Baja Nomads.

Are we, the older generation, just stupid, living in a dream world, or is all this fear a product of the gated community generation?

It all seems a little over the top. If I took all these recent posts to heart, I wouldn't leave my closet!


oh, i agree it's over the top, but good to think about. i would have never thought about the credit card(s) thing. not that i have three anyway, but... it's all fun and games until someone's taking your car, or wallet or whatever - eh? and then it won't seem so stupid to have put a kill switch on your car o rto have been a bit over cautious.

it's just words on a message board, and not bad advice in any event.

Capt. George - 5-22-2008 at 11:51 AM

iflyfish

come out, come out, "whatever" you are!

Cypress - 5-22-2008 at 01:26 PM

Northern Baja is too close to the USA, they've adopted/adapted to too many of the bad habits of their brothers north of the border.:)

robrt8 - 5-22-2008 at 07:45 PM

The tips are way over the top, yes. But thanks to the OP anyway. Interesting stuff.

bacquito - 5-24-2008 at 06:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by udowinkler
I FEEL WE NEED TO GIVE GRINGETTE A LARGE RIGHT-ON FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TRANSLATE THE ORIGINAL POST INTO AN UNDERSTANDABLE READ BY US GRINGOS![/I]

THANKS GRINGETTE!!

Gadget - 5-25-2008 at 03:08 PM

Hmm, some pretty crazy stuff in that list.

But on a proactive basis, and I know this may not apply to everyone for multipal reasons, but a little self defense training can go a long way.

The Dojo I worked out at for years offered periodic quick self defense courses. Some were general and some were geared for just females.
They usually were quit affordable, lasted only a few weeks and were fun and informative.

Knowing the 2 or 3 main "soft" spots on an assailant who believes he has the upper hand based on surprise, and how to hit one of those spots effectively can put someone on the ground long enough for you to run away.

The three Rs of self defense:
Recognize
React
Run

garth - 5-26-2008 at 05:19 AM

thanks