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two women driving thru the baja...help!

pearl - 6-26-2008 at 05:35 PM

My best friend has accpeted a job teaching in La Paz. I am driving her down there to help with the move (from Whitefish Mt!) and have a couple of questions.
First, I know we should not drive at night!

Is it better to go through Tecate or TJ? I am getting conflicting opinions on this.

How is the saftey....we are both in our mid 30's and blonde and have all our teeth (hahaha)

How long does it take to get from the border to La Paz and what is the best way to go?

Where to stay?

Where to eat!!!

Any and all responses are so appreciated! We are a little concerned and have never done this drive.

fishbuck - 6-26-2008 at 05:48 PM

"...we are both in our mid 30's and blonde"

Can you post photos for us? I might be able to help out.:cool:

DENNIS - 6-26-2008 at 05:53 PM

Fishbuck....Ever faithful to his new amor in Tijuana, jumps to the fore. What a guy.

shari - 6-26-2008 at 05:59 PM

Hola Pearl girl...I sent you a U2U that you access through the purple letters up in the right corner. Welcome to this board. Are you gals in a big hurry or can you take your time? We always cross at TJ...good for an adrenalin rush! Some people burn down to La Paz in 2 days if you start really early and drive till dark...better to take your time and be rested so you are alert...the baja highway has lots of surprises so drive SLOW...like 60 mph. Smile pretty at the soldiers and have a gas ladies.

Udo - 6-26-2008 at 06:04 PM

Allright guys!
These two ladies need help...not sarcasm or a move on them.

Here is the short story, girls...
When I travel to La Paz, I enter in Tecate, and while you are there, you can get your tourist cards, get them stamped, and pay for them right at the border entrance. Once in Ensenada, just follow Mexico 1 to La Paz. It's an easy two day drive, or 18 hours balls out. You need to cross at Tecate before 7 a.m. (and after 6 a.m.) in order to give you the lightest traffic through Ensenada. The rest of the little towns you only slow down for the topes.
Don't forget to get you car insurance!
For further information, search the Nomad site under the key words you want. This topic has been covered adnauseum.

fishbuck - 6-26-2008 at 06:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Fishbuck....Ever faithful to his new amor in Tijuana, jumps to the fore. What a guy.


Dennis, I'm surprised at your tone!

Can't you see that I am just a humble gentleman trying to offer asistance to ladies in need.:saint:

fishbuck - 6-26-2008 at 06:12 PM

"... It's an easy two day drive, or 18 hours balls out"

That's two 9 hour driving days. Give yourselves 2 days to get to Loreto. Get to La Paz the 3rd day mid-afternoon. You'll enjoy it more if you have the time.

Cypress - 6-26-2008 at 06:18 PM

Cross at Mexicali, take the new 4 lane over to Hwy 1.:spingrin:

TMW - 6-26-2008 at 06:35 PM

I prefer crossing at Tecate too and getting a visa is easier. Immigration office and bank right there. Stop by a AAA office and get the Baja Guide book and map. Get pasos and keep your gas tank full, don't let it get below 3/4 in the center section of Baja. Make sure your spare tire is good and you have a jack and know how to use it. That said, good people will usually help in time of need. Carry drinks and some snacks. Take your time, use your common sense and have fun. Send us a trip report with pixs when you get there. If you have a problem, remember you can always contact Bajanomad people at any internet cafe or thru the internet at a hotel etc. Nomads are from here to there.

woody with a view - 6-26-2008 at 06:50 PM

what TW said.

don't over analyze ever moment before you go. we just returned from "down there" and the roads are great, the folks are beautiful and the scenery is brown and HOT this time of year. you won't have any problems as long as you use the same common sense that you normally use. nothing more or less.

have fun!

Bob H - 6-26-2008 at 07:06 PM

Wow, Whitefish Montana.... that's about 1,400 miles North of where I live here in San Diego, North County. You are close enough to Canada to call Baja "THE Baja" I guess. I'm surprised someone hasn't attacke you for that.... hahahaa :lol:
You will receive enough information from so many folks on this great board that you will have a difficult time deciding which information to take.... that's for sure.
Blow through Tijuana and get past Ensenada and stop anywhere you feel like you want to along the way. Stay on MX1 and don't ever drive at night. If you do, stay behind and semi tractor trailor for protection. Lot's of animals on the road at night just around a blind curve, and oncoming trucks swing wide around the blind turn coming at you! Sometime tequila is involved :O:o:wow:
Take whatever advice you receive on this board and have a blast!
Bob H

CaboRon - 6-26-2008 at 07:08 PM

Welcome to the forum:

I see the lions have already been let loose :lol:

First night: Baja Cactus in El Rosario

Second and third nights: Ignacio Springs Bed and Breakfast
http://www.mexonline.com/ignaciosprings.htm
the perfect mid trip break

Fourth night: Loreto

Then into La Paz .....

Have a great trip !!!!!

CaboRon

DENNIS - 6-26-2008 at 07:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishbuck
Dennis, I'm surprised at your tone!

Can't you see that I am just a humble gentleman trying to offer asistance to ladies in need.:saint:


Oh sure, Mike. I know your intentions are always good.
When you get down this way, stop in for a cold one.


OOPS... forgot to tell you to bring Pearl and her Pal as well. Plenty for everybody.

[Edited on 6-27-2008 by DENNIS]

pearl - 6-26-2008 at 07:18 PM

Wow thanks for all the quick replies! I am a member on tripadvisor and someone recommended I come here and they were right.
I want to get to La Paz asap so that I can kick back and put my feet in the sand with nothing else to do....other than eat good food and drink. So I'm guessing from what I am hearing is to get to Guerro Negro and go from there?
Where is a good place to eat there? I'm guessing saftey is not an issue since no one said anything yet?
I just joined this and was trying to set up my profile....everyone thank fishbuck cause now I'm gonna wait to post my picture. Don't get around a lot of women do you fishbuck???HAHAHAHAHA

ELINVESTIG8R - 6-26-2008 at 07:26 PM

Make sure to stop in at Mama Espinoza's Restaurant and have a great meal. Tell person at the register that Mama Espinoza's son, David sent you. They also have Cabanas.

Udo - 6-26-2008 at 07:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pearl
Wow thanks for all the quick replies! I am a member on tripadvisor and someone recommended I come here and they were right.
I want to get to La Paz asap so that I can kick back and put my feet in the sand with nothing else to do....other than eat good food and drink. So I'm guessing from what I am hearing is to get to Guerro Negro and go from there?
Where is a good place to eat there? I'm guessing saftey is not an issue since no one said anything yet?
I just joined this and was trying to set up my profile....everyone thank fishbuck cause now I'm gonna wait to post my picture. Don't get around a lot of women do you fishbuck???HAHAHAHAHA

If you leave Tecate by 7a.m. you should be able to get to Ignacio Springs B&B (cool place with their yurts) before 5 p.m., and that includes lunch at San Quintin. Be sure you gas up @ El Rosario. Ignacio Springs B&B is only about 1:30 hrs past Guerrero Negro. Leave the B&B by 8 a.m. and you'll get to La Paz by 3 p.m.
Looks like you want to travel like I do...balls out!

fishbuck - 6-26-2008 at 07:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pearl
Wow thanks for all the quick replies! I am a member on tripadvisor and someone recommended I come here and they were right.
I want to get to La Paz asap so that I can kick back and put my feet in the sand with nothing else to do....other than eat good food and drink. So I'm guessing from what I am hearing is to get to Guerro Negro and go from there?
Where is a good place to eat there? I'm guessing saftey is not an issue since no one said anything yet?
I just joined this and was trying to set up my profile....everyone thank fishbuck cause now I'm gonna wait to post my picture. Don't get around a lot of women do you fishbuck???HAHAHAHAHA


I get around a few now and then.

Just not your kind. The ball busting b**** kind.

My kind are much friendlier.

Good luck on your trip:cool:

pearl - 6-26-2008 at 07:40 PM

OUCH! Easy fishbuck, just having a little fun like you were. No need to call names.

gibson - 6-26-2008 at 07:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishbuck
I get around a few now and then.

Just not your kind. The ball busting b**** kind.

My kind are much friendlier.

Good luck on your trip:cool:


someone needs to get lei'd :lol::lol:

comitan - 6-26-2008 at 07:58 PM

If you are at the Border in the morning, the first days since your in a hurry to get here should be to Guerro Negro, The next day early start to La Paz, done it many times.

fishbuck - 6-26-2008 at 07:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pearl
OUCH! Easy fishbuck, just having a little fun like you were. No need to call names.


Opps! Sorry!
You play a little rough and hurt my feelings I guess. I over reacted. I do that sometimes.

Okay back to your trip. Just drive a little more careful than normal. The road is very narrow. Don't be rigid on your plan. If you get tired call it for the day and get a fresh start in the morning.
I've done it at Mach 1 myself a few times and it's a little hard on the nerves.
I was just flirting with you a little. Ya know you being blond and 30 and all.;D

Diver - 6-26-2008 at 08:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pearl
Is it better to go through Tecate or TJ?
DEFINITELY TECATE - IT IS A MUCH MORE RELAXING DRIVE.

How is the saftey....we are both in our mid 30's and blonde and have all our teeth (hahaha)
AS YOU SAY, TRAVEL IN DAYLIGHT AND DON'T STOP IN THE BOONIES.

How long does it take to get from the border to La Paz and what is the best way to go?

TECATE TO EL ROSARIO FIRST DAY - STAY AT BAJACACTUS MOTEL AND GET GAS AT PEMEX. OTHER PEMEX STATIONS ALONG THE WAY FOR GAS - PAY WITH PESOS - GET THEM AT AN ATM. EAT AT MAMA'S.

Where to stay?
SECOND NIGHT IN GUERRERO NEGRO AT MALARRINO MOTEL AND RESTUARANT.

THIRD NIGHT IN LA PAZ - UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPEND MORE TIME SITE-SEEING.

THERE ARE OTHER MOTELS AND RESTUARANTS BUT THESE ARE GOOD AND SAFE FOR THE FIRST-TIME TOURIST.


Pescador - 6-26-2008 at 08:42 PM

Definately Tecate. If you have a choice, I would avoid the upper peninsula on Sunday. Sunday is a day off and the roads as well as all the little towns are crowded with people on their day off and the travel can get really slow. We used to travel Sundays because the trucks were less on the roads but the increased traffic has gotten worse, in my opinion.
I cross very early in the morning with a camper and an enclosed cargo trailer and I am not ready to stop when I get to El Rosario, so I generally go on in to Guerrero Negro, but everyone has given you some great options so you can have a choice depending on what you find as you travel down. A good guidebook is a big help and will give you lots of information.

CaboRon - 6-26-2008 at 09:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by udowinkler
Quote:
Originally posted by pearl
Wow thanks for all the quick replies! I am a member on tripadvisor and someone recommended I come here and they were right.
I want to get to La Paz asap so that I can kick back and put my feet in the sand with nothing else to do....other than eat good food and drink. So I'm guessing from what I am hearing is to get to Guerro Negro and go from there?
Where is a good place to eat there? I'm guessing saftey is not an issue since no one said anything yet?
I just joined this and was trying to set up my profile....everyone thank fishbuck cause now I'm gonna wait to post my picture. Don't get around a lot of women do you fishbuck???HAHAHAHAHA

If you leave Tecate by 7a.m. you should be able to get to Ignacio Springs B&B (cool place with their yurts) before 5 p.m., and that includes lunch at San Quintin. Be sure you gas up @ El Rosario. Ignacio Springs B&B is only about 1:30 hrs past Guerrero Negro. Leave the B&B by 8 a.m. and you'll get to La Paz by 3 p.m.
Looks like you want to travel like I do...balls out!

If you stop at Discover Baja in San Diego , you can pick up your insurance, they will call for your reservations at Ignacio Springs and make sure to reserve space at the dinner, the breakfast is auto included, but you need to make reservations for dinner... you do not want to miss it. And the breakfast are awesome... and the Yurts are really nice...







CaboRon

bajabound2005 - 6-26-2008 at 09:53 PM

Well, first, ignore that you should stop in Guerro Negro because there is no such place (sorry, Comitan) but Guerrero Negro you might actually find on your map. As for your entire trip the on "the Baja" you need to look at a map and figure out where you coming from and going to. There is NO problem coming through San Ysidro (Tijuana). I do not understand, for the life of me, why people insist crossing at Tecate. The highway to the main road in Ensenada is HELL from Tecate.... if you come through TJ you hop on the main highway that is 2 lanes in both directions and GO! u2u us with your planned itinerary and we'll glad you giving good stopping points! Having lived in Montana for many years....it's a LONG way, baby!

vivaloha - 6-26-2008 at 10:36 PM

Pearl-

Warm season right now...
Air conditioner in car will make a huge difference...
Howz yours working..? Also you may want to rehearse
that thing about sticking a shirt or blanket in the wester
facing window as the chariot of the blazing sun marches
very slowly across the sky this time of year...you know to
block the sun - on the way down it'll be the passenger who
get the mega sun all day...being blonde you may want to put
on sunblock whilst driving...seems weird but seriously this is
the desert...Tecate road to the coast is beautiful, wine country...
I would rec'd the yurt place San Iggy's Hot Springs...its nice...
Or I often stay at Hotel El Morro in Santa Rosalia (just south of town)...
Second day you'll be in La Paz - no worries...long days right now...
Like another guy wrote, "have snacks" and that will cut down on
unsatisfying junk food at gas stations...we make pb and jelly sandies...
many good wishes to you girls and like another bloke said, "use your
common sense", drive efficiently 55ish, and it'll be all good...

Vivaloha

Re: driving thru baja...help!

Photog - 6-26-2008 at 11:03 PM

Check your U2U messages for detailed info regarding driving the peninsula.


Photog

fdt - 6-26-2008 at 11:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajabound2005
There is NO problem coming through San Ysidro (Tijuana). I do not understand, for the life of me, why people insist crossing at Tecate. The highway to the main road in Ensenada is HELL from Tecate....

Soon someone will recomend crossing in Nogales :lol::lol::lol:

Eugenio - 6-27-2008 at 08:08 AM

Pearl - ftd has a point - you might consider crossing at Nogales and driving on the mainland to Los Mochis/Topolobampo - and then taking the ferry to La Paz.

The border to Mochis is an easy one day drive - after the first 3 hours or so it will be a toll road.

If you have a small car the ferry will only cost about $100.

see:

http://www.bajaferries.com/modules/content/index.php?op=edit...

Good Luck - Have Fun.

edit: that's $100 for the car and about $70 per person.

[Edited on 6-27-2008 by Eugenio]

Bob and Susan - 6-27-2008 at 08:23 AM

"The highway to the main road in Ensenada is HELL from Tecate...."
WRONG!!!
the road is repaired and fine

i'd cross at tj too to go down for these people on THIS trip...

but...

comming back i'd go to tecate

traveling to tecate from ensenada with a trailer can save you $35 both ways...you can use this for 10 gallons gas in the USA:lol:

Mango - 6-27-2008 at 08:49 AM

Tecate or TJ either way. TJ is more urban and faster, Tecate is more rural and calm.

I would agree with CaboRon and others on the 3 day itinerary.

- El Rosario (Baja Cactus Hotel next to the Pemex station is a favorite of many of us here; because, you get a quality room at a great price. It's also right next door to a great place to eat and the gas station.[top your tank off here]) El Rosario is the last stop as you leave the urban areas of the North behind.. but it's not too far to get too in a day from the border.. just perfect for the first night.

-San Ignacio - Nice little oasis in the middle of the desert, mission, etc...

-Loreto - The first capital city of "The Californias" Good restaurants, people watching, shopping etc..

All of the above are nice places to stop. San Ignacio and Loreto will have much more interesting stuff to do, walk, and see than El Rosario.

If you have more time.. take it.. and add some towns or extra nights in. Relax and enjoy.. you can always hurry through Baja in your next life.

DENNIS - 6-27-2008 at 09:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
traveling to tecate from ensenada with a trailer can save you $35 both ways...you can use this for 10 gallons gas in the USA:lol:


Haven't been north for a while have you, Bob.

bajaguy - 6-27-2008 at 09:02 AM

OK, a bit of helpful advice......

Call your credit card and ATM issuing bank. Inform them that you will be on vacation in Baja/Mexico from ______ to _____.

If you don't notify them in advance, they MAY block the use of your cards.

Good luck, take photos, do a trip report...........

OH, yeah......Fishbuck is a great guy!!!!!

Lauriboats - 6-27-2008 at 06:03 PM

If the truck in front of you puts on their left hand turn signal it normally means that it is clear to pass. Have fun.

DENNIS - 6-27-2008 at 07:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lauriboats
If the truck in front of you puts on their left hand turn signal it normally means that it is clear to pass. Have fun.


You may want to keep in mind it's still a turn signal.

Bob and Susan - 6-27-2008 at 07:04 PM

dennis...lets do the math
$3.50 a gallon times 10 gallons = $35

i was north june 5th

crossed at tecate north and drove back south thru tj

my truck was $5.25 a toll
3 tolls $15.75
both ways $31.50

1 beer at sharkys $2.50
10 beers = $25
:lol:

DENNIS - 6-27-2008 at 07:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
$3.50 a gallon times 10 gallons = $35



It's been a couple of weeks for me but, I thought gas was over 4 bucks now. I don't know. It's hard to keep up with.

More importantly, Sharky's beer...$1.50 all day. [1 till 5]

Don't speed on Hgwy 1

Lee - 6-27-2008 at 08:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
OK, a bit of helpful advice......

Call your credit card and ATM issuing bank. Inform them that you will be on vacation in Baja/Mexico from ______ to _____.

If you don't notify them in advance, they MAY block the use of your cards.

OH, yeah......Fishbuck is a great guy!!!!!


Good points. I cannot draw money out of a MX ATM using Chase VISA and they won't budge. So, I use my BofA MC.

Another point no one has made is that women -- blondes especially -- can get alot of unwanted attention from MX men, esp. in the urban areas.

THink security. I always carry a knife and the Spiderco below opens easily with a flick of the wrist. It's lightweight and attaches to my belt. I think everyone should carry a knife.



Fishback? Ignore him. He can't help himself.

BajaNomad - 6-28-2008 at 01:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lee
I think everyone should carry a knife.


Lee, et al.... I believe this is illegal in Mexico? If so, one is likely ill-advised to be following such advice.

Confirmation anyone?

[Edited on 6-28-2008 by BajaNomad]

fishbuck - 6-28-2008 at 02:14 AM

Si, yes! When I was pulled over at Otay last Sunday the Policeman asked if I had a knife. I have a small version of the pictured model.
I said yes and started to dig it out of my toolbox. When he realized I didn't have it in my pocket he said it was okay. I stopped looking for it.
But if I was carrying it I think I would have been in trouble.
My knife has a 2 inch blade. I think 3 or 4 might be the limit.

ELINVESTIG8R - 6-28-2008 at 05:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNomad
Quote:
Originally posted by Lee
I think everyone should carry a knife.


Lee, et al.... I believe this is illegal in Mexico? If so, one is likely ill-advised to be following such advice.

Confirmation anyone?

[Edited on 6-28-2008 by BajaNomad]



The U.S. Consulate at Tijuana says: Don’t carry a knife, even a small pocketknife, on your person in Mexico. You may be arrested and charged with possession of a deadly weapon, etc. etc.

Read here: http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/tijuana/warning.html

Bob and Susan - 6-28-2008 at 05:53 AM

oh yea...dennis is right...:yes:

i'm wrong AGAIN!!!:fire:

see what happens when you "charge" your gas...:light:

vandenberg - 6-28-2008 at 07:18 AM

Now that this thread has been thoroughly highjacked, a question regarding weapons.
Would it be illegal to carry a machete in your car/truck, within reach. Let's say door pocket.:?::?:

But, back to topic, Girls, if you come through Loreto, you're welcome to stop by for a refreshment, maybe even an overnighter, and we might be able to give you a few pointers about La Paz and advice for the remainder of your travels.

[Edited on 6-28-2008 by vandenberg]

Oh.

Lee - 6-28-2008 at 07:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
The U.S. Consulate at Tijuana says: Don’t carry a knife, even a small pocketknife, on your person in Mexico. You may be arrested and charged with possession of a deadly weapon, etc. etc.

Read here: http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/tijuana/warning.html


Can't believe I've been illegal all this time. I would NEVER advise anyone to be illegal in Baja.

Is it still legal to carry a flare gun?

vandenberg - 6-28-2008 at 07:30 AM

Quote:
Quote:




Is it still legal to carry a flare gun?


Maybe if you carry it in the trunk in it's case.:?::?::biggrin:

DENNIS - 6-28-2008 at 07:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lee
Is it still legal to carry a flare gun?


Depends on who you point it at.

Pen Flares

bajaguy - 6-28-2008 at 08:30 AM

http://www.survivalops.com/Penflares.htm

Paula - 6-28-2008 at 10:13 AM

Hi Pearl,

Just in case you don't have enough advice here already;D, I'll offer little more just because you're from Whitefish and I'm from Kalispell.

Your drive from the border will be a little more than 900 miles. Much of the highway is like Going to the Sun Road in Glacier, winding, steep and narrow, but less extreme than the last stretch up to the pass. Other parts are similar to the road from Hot Springs to Paradise-- straight, narrow, a little bumpy, and with no shoulder. And it is almost as pretty as the Flathead-- well-- some parts are prettier. So be open to spending an extra day or two on the drive. Maybe bring a guidebook so you have mileage numbers from town to town, and to help you know what places you'll want to see along the way. The desert around Catavina is beautiful, and San Ignacio is a really cool little town you should look at even if staying there doen't match your driving pace. La Paz is wonderful, but if you're only gonna do this drive once don't miss the scenery.

On the left turn signals, if a big truck signals you to pass it is safe-- they can see farther than you can, and are generally safe and considerate drivers. Be careful using your left signal on the hiway. Once I signalled a left into La Perla beach on Bahia Concepcion and as I started to turn 2 cars with California plates passed me with blinding speed :lol: VERY scary!

Oh, and if you'll go into the Palace Bar or the Packer's Roost without a knife, you won't need one on this trip either. Just kidding-- you'll be fine down here-- no need to arm bears-- oops-- I meant bear arms.

Have a great trip!

gnukid - 6-28-2008 at 12:21 PM

For me the drive is a cathartic experience which can't be hurried simply because of the pleasure of visiting friends and enjoying great moments in fine restaurants.

Here are two suggestions:

Someone mentioned San Ignacio and the palm grove there next to Rice and Beans just off the road as you enter San Ignacio. Rice and Beans is a famous restaurant and hotel and reliable. It is basically above the same location as the Yurt huts in the grove. Rice and Beans is an excellent place to stay and convenient. They have wireless and every amenity you could want for well under $50/double occupancy. You can also park there and sleep in your car and pay a small fee. They have outside power outlets etc... to support a quick charge up and email check. Ask for the password.

The food is absolutely amazing. Dinner is a dream with shrimp and fish or anything you want and the magaritas are excellent too.


A great thing to do is to get up early from Rice and Beans and depart south with coffee from the owners and make your way to Santa Rosalia and stop at the orange restaurant building on the cliffs as you leave town. There is a fantastic restaurant there to enjoy a morning breakfast over the Sea of Cortez. Sylvia is the owner. Here are some recent photos.

The World Famous Rice and Beans parking lot over the grove.

Rice and Beans





Sylvia's Santa Rosalia Restaurant


Then you can stop in Mulege for snacks... enjoy this spot.

Finally, when you make it to La Paz, you will be a changed person and peaceful. Enjoy an endless number of excellent restaurants, el taste, rancho viejo, drinks at salsipuedes and especially evening walks on the Malecon ;-)






BajaNuts - 6-28-2008 at 02:06 PM

I'm a 40-ish blond (still have all my teeth:biggrin:) and I did the trip solo from WA state near the Canadian border to La Paz in May. Stopped in Roseburg, OR-Gorman, CA-Guerrero Negro-then La Paz. Gorman to G'ro Negro was a LONG drive. With 2 drivers it will be much better. Crossed at TJ, 8:00am on a weekday. No problems.

What no one else has mentioned is driving in La Paz! This may be a whole other thread, but you need to be warned and prepared.

Driving in La Paz has been described as a team sport, defensively aggressive (and conversely...aggressively defensive) and a study in organized chaos.

here's a start for the Top Ten Tips for driving in La Paz-
1-stop signs are optional.
2-at a 4-way stop, the first person to blink looses their turn. You must start going before the other car is past your front bumper. It is common to have 3 cars in the intersection at the same time.
3- most traffic lights don't work. Obey the ones that do work. Watch for horizontal ones
4- street signs are hard to find. Many side streets don't have signs and the ones on the main streets are rusty and hard to read, hence the need for a second person in the car to watch for the street signs while the driver is playing dodge-car at the 4-way stops......and thus is born the term "team sport".:tumble:
5-most streets in downtown La Paz are one way and many don't have the One Way signs on every street. Look at the parked cars to determine if it is a one-way and "which"-way
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There's a start... I'm looking forward to seeing what other Nomads would add to that.:biggrin:


One other safety tip is to get a cell phone that will work on TelMex cell signals. There are other posts regarding this, so it doesn't need to be explained here. Another great tool when you are in Civilization is the laptop.

For safety, maybe some Nomands along the route would share their phone numbers with you in private U2U for emergencies.

Take it easy, keep your common sense, gas up often and enjoy the adventure!

comitan - 6-28-2008 at 02:17 PM

:lol::bounce::tumble:;):lol::yes::yes::tumble::lol:

vandenberg - 6-28-2008 at 02:45 PM

Bajanuts,
Are you trying to scare the hell out of these girls. Driving La Paz is a piece of cake. In an hour or so, you will figure out "NOT" to totally stop at Alto signs. The traffic behind you will adjust your ways with their honking and threats of climbing in your rear window.:biggrin:
After driving in their traffic for a few hours, you will adjust to their ways and drive like a native. Not meaning that that's the right way to drive, but it will be like a native.:biggrin:
And after you get the hang of it, it will be nothing but fun. Believe me. Like going to the State fair rides or 6 Flags amusement park.
Have fun and keep the faith !!:biggrin:

Paula - 6-28-2008 at 02:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Bajanuts,
Are you trying to scare the hell out of these girls. Driving La Paz is a piece of cake. In an hour or so, you will figure out "NOT" to totally stop at Alto signs. The traffic behind you will adjust your ways with their honking and threats of climbing in your rear window.:biggrin:
After driving in their traffic for a few hours, you will adjust to their ways and drive like a native. Not meaning that that's the right way to drive, but it will be like a native.:biggrin:
And after you get the hang of it, it will be nothing but fun. Believe me. Like going to the State fair rides or 6 Flags amusement park.
Have fun and keep the faith !!:biggrin:



My feelings exactly, Ed! As I was reading B'nuts post, I was mentally preparing my own:

La Paz is a piece of cake. Just get in the car, start the engine, smile, drive, enjoy. Don't think, just do it. It's all good:dudette:.

bajaguy - 6-28-2008 at 03:00 PM

one secret to driving in Mexico is to ensure that you car has a horn, that it works, and that it is LOUD!!!

DENNIS - 6-28-2008 at 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
one secret to driving in Mexico is to ensure that you car has a horn, that it works, and that it is LOUD!!!


Yeah...And paint your middle finger red.

just kidding....don't do that. Just drive your race and ignore all the a-holes on the road.

BajaNuts - 6-28-2008 at 03:20 PM

not wanting to scare anyone, and the tips are posted with smiles. Just wanted to give them a heads up. sorry 'bout that....

I do want to see what others would post as driving tips, though.

They'll be fine!

rpleger - 6-28-2008 at 03:31 PM

Have a good trip...Enjoy...It's a good place...

Well, not exactly

Lee - 6-28-2008 at 09:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Bajanuts,
Are you trying to scare the hell out of these girls. Driving La Paz is a piece of cake. In an hour or so, you will figure out "NOT" to totally stop at Alto signs. The traffic behind you will adjust your ways with their honking and threats of climbing in your rear window.:biggrin:


Most people here know that there are 2 laws in Baja: one for MX and one for Gringoes.

If you drive in LP like a native and break the laws (don't stop at stop signs, make U-turns when you feel like it, speed, etc.), and get caught, you're in BIGGER trouble than the natives. If you get in an accident and you were breaking the law, it won't matter that the MX driver involved was breaking the law too. You (Gringo) will pay for the damages you caused.

The American driver needs to obey the laws, and drive defensively in LP because NO BODY else is driving that way.

Expect the unexpected -- and don't let down your guard.

comitan - 6-29-2008 at 06:39 AM

Blah, Blah, Blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jaded?

Lee - 6-29-2008 at 10:23 AM

I DO NOT address those ''in the know.''

Two blondes on a maiden voyage? You betcha.

Even Wiley was ''new'' once. Hey -- if you're NOT a MX citizen, you have NO RIGHTS! If you're white, you have 2 strikes against you. Luck of the draw? Not my problem.

Newbies to LP: LP cops are looking for YOU driving the Malecon. Cop a U and you'll be spotted. Carol's an expert on LP cops. Carol?

comitan - 6-29-2008 at 10:38 AM

When I was new to La Paz there wasn't a cop on every corner, and you could cop a "U" or park any side of the street. My take on driving in La Paz is I would rather drive here than San Diego, Mexican drivers do have some bad habits to get over, but in my opinion are as courteous as San Diego drivers.

One LAST important issue for the Girls!

Lee - 6-29-2008 at 02:49 PM

Can't find where the dreaded issue of MORDIDA has been broached so here goes.

Hey Girls, when driving in Baja, especially if you have US plates, are ''white,'' or have blonde hair, you are subject to being pulled over by the police, sometimes for a legitimate traffic violation, and sometimes for a simple ''shakedown.''

Think the subject has been beaten to death here so you might not get alot of feedback on this thread so I"ll try to sum it up into a few categories.

Personally, I've been stopped a few times, always been guilty, and have never paid a mordida I had a problem with. I would NEVER pay what I consider an excessive mordida. I've never been ''shaken down'' and would NEVER pay for a shake-down. I say ''never'' with reservation here. Let's just say today I would never pay if I was innocent of the charges presented to me.

I believe there are more good cops in Baja than bad cops so it's probably luck of the draw if you get pulled over, racial profiling aside.

My POV is that I am not interested in ''going to the station'' to pay a fine. Ever. My time is money and I'd be losing money by going to any station to pay a fine. If the fine ''offered'' to me is excessive, I'll always negotiate it down. I'll plead stupidity, ignorance (like Oxxo), temporary insanity. I won't pay an excessive mordida.

It's important to remember that most cops provide they're own equipment, gas, etc., while serving an important function: keeping the bad guys under control.

So, pay or not, it's your call. Just be aware that you may be pulled over -- and the issue of mordida may or may not come up.

(This post does not constitute a violation of MX law pertaining to the illegal payment of ''fines'' outside of an official police station. ''Mordida'' is against the law in MX and any police officer solicitating mordida is breaking the law.)

vandenberg - 6-29-2008 at 03:02 PM

Have to second Wiley's "Blah,blah, blah", with a bullsh*t addition.

pearl - 6-29-2008 at 03:26 PM

I'm sorry Lee, but I'm guessing that " MORDIDA" is paying off the police if they are dirty cops?
Thanks to everyone for the great advice! And laura from Kalispell....wow, that was a perfect way to describe the roads. Now we have a really good idea since you know how some of the roads are here!

Pay or don't pay mordida -- your call

Lee - 6-29-2008 at 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by pearl
I'm sorry Lee, but I'm guessing that " MORDIDA" is paying off the police if they are dirty cops?


For some, the discussion of MORDIDA is a very emotional issue -- along with any discussion of the ''rights'' of foreigners while driving in La Paz, or MX. It's possible that both issues bring up a strong sense of ''injustice'' some foreigners might experience in 3rd world developing countries.

Racial profiling is not a pleasant subject but that's exactly what ''some'' MX police do.

So, paying a ''fine'' on the spot, rather than having your license confiscated, picking it up at the local police station, and paying the ''fine'' there, is considered MORDIDA. Some people have no problem doing this -- to others, it contributes to the ''moral corruption'' of the police, and hence, to the country. Boo hoo.

Most Nomads have very strong opinions about MORDIDA. I have strong judgments about people who make MORDIDA a moral issue. My opinion is that these people have ''money'' issues, generally speaking.

Again, I've never been pulled over for a ''shake-down'' -- that is, like Oxxo was recently outside La Paz -- where he was innocent of any wrong doing, was obviously singled out by a cop wanting money, and if any situation would bring up any moral outrage for me, that would be one.

Oxxo chose NOT to pay anything to this cop -- and $100 is just excessive.

Attempting to negotiate all avenues from ''going to the station,'' to ''reducing'' the ''fine'' is the goal. Pointing out the ''corruption'' of the situation to a cop is likely to produce ''indignation'' from the cop. Good cop bad cop, you must always respect a cops authority -- the gun and badge -- whether or not you agree with the morality of the situation.

(This post is not meant to be judgmental of Nomads who choose NOT to pay MORDIDA -- just those who think paying MORDIDA is WRONG for everyone. I do not have a vested interest in whether people pay or don't pay MORDIDA.)

wilderone - 6-30-2008 at 10:21 AM

"On the left turn signals, if a big truck signals you to pass it is safe-- they can see farther than you can, and are generally safe and considerate drivers. Be careful using your left signal on the hiway."

And sometimes it means they left their blinker on and don't know it. Or maybe they think you can go faster on the pass than you're able. Be ABSOLUTELY sure it is safe to pass, even if you're stuck for 20 minutes driving behind a truck at 15 mph crawling up a hill. I once tried to pass a truck over and over when he had his blinker on. Every time I'd try to pass, he'd wander in front of me preventing me from passing. What the?? And each time, a car would then come along in the other lane which would have made passing unsafe to say the least. I don't know why he didn't just turn his blinker off.

And sometimes someone will flash their lights at you from the oncoming lane - that usually means "slow down, danger ahead". Could be an accident in the middle of the lane, or debris in the road, but proceed with caution if you get that signal.

And this was the case a couple months ago -- the winter rains made every green and growing, so everyone left their goats and cows out for free-range grazing - there were many instances where goats and cows were right next to the highway, and sometimes baby cows wandering in the traffic lane.

And I didn't see this mentioned anywhere - be sure you know what the road signs mean. There are no insignificant signs. Curva Peligrosa means just that - so slow down. 65 km, does not mean 65 miles per hour.

Cypress - 6-30-2008 at 12:57 PM

Once you get clear of the border, the rest is a piece of cake.:yes: And a sweet piece of cake at that.:yes:

fishbuck - 6-30-2008 at 01:02 PM

If you come to a corner and there is yellow and black warning arrows it's a sharp corner. If there are two arrows on each poll it's a really sharp corner... like 10-20 mph.
If you come to a corner and there are two arrows on each pull and a couple of makeshift shrines with crosses... self- explanatory.
The farther down the road the less warning signs are used. But by then you will understand. You will be more tired and very hot so it get's harder to stay alert.
If there is a breakdown it will most likely be in the traffic lanes because there is no place to pull over in most areas.

vandenberg - 6-30-2008 at 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck
If you come to a corner and there is yellow and black warning arrows it's a sharp corner. If there are two arrows on each poll it's a really sharp corner... like 10-20 mph.
If you come to a corner and there are two arrows on each pull and a couple of makeshift shrines with crosses... self- explanatory.
The farther down the road the less warning signs are used. But by then you will understand. You will be more tired and very hot so it get's harder to stay alert.
If there is a breakdown it will most likely be in the traffic lanes because there is no place to pull over in most areas.


Hey fishbuck,

You better stick to flying.:P:biggrin:

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jeans - 6-30-2008 at 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Lee
Can't find where the dreaded issue of MORDIDA has been broached so here goes.

Hey Girls, when driving in Baja, especially if you have US plates, are ''white,'' or have blonde hair, you are subject to being pulled over by the police, sometimes for a legitimate traffic violation, and sometimes for a simple ''shakedown.''



Last January I started this thread about women & mordita...lots of us Gringas with many Baja miles under our 4x4 wheels...and no stops.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=29194#pid290474

Way to go...

Lee - 6-30-2008 at 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by jeans
Last January I started this thread about women & mordita...lots of us Gringas with many Baja miles under our 4x4 wheels...and no stops.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=29194#pid290474


GREAT thread! Thanks for the link. I think women do have an edge in the mordida department. Nice posts.

wilderone - 7-1-2008 at 08:37 AM

"especially if you have US plates, are ''white,'' or have blonde hair, you are subject to being pulled over by the police"

I agree that that IS NOT THE CASE. I too have traveled alone and with my children when they were small and was only stopped once - when I drove out of a driveway the wrong way on a one way street in TJ. Paid $40 fine on the spot. Otherwise, I've received only courtesy and favors. Of course, I don't have SCORE, Bardahl, Red Bull stickers all over my car; I'm not towing motorcycles, look like I must have a stash or look Canadian (!).

You're bringing a cooler to put ice in, right? It'll be HOT, and you can buy ice in most towns.