BajaNomad - Shootout Sunday night at BOLA

Shootout Sunday night at BOLA

fulano - 7-8-2008 at 12:55 AM

http://elvigia.net/noticias/?seccion=generales&id=44586

The article is too long to translate, but to summarize:

A local BOLA resident, named Fernando Anaya Cortez. 22-years of age was seen speeding through town in his pickup. Two municipal police tried to stop him and Cortez took off in his pickup, with the police in pursuit. Cortez drive into a tourist camp and shut off his motor. The two police went in on foot looking for him. Cortez restarted his pickup and ran over one of the police. The other policeman fired 8 shots at Cortez, hitting him 3 times and killing him.

The state attorney general is investigating.

CaboRon - 7-8-2008 at 05:02 AM

Wow :wow:

What Next .... High speed chases on television?

dean miller - 7-8-2008 at 06:13 AM

What "tourist camp?" Have a name of the camp or direction he fled in his PU?

David K - 7-8-2008 at 07:54 AM

Where's Mia?

David K - 7-8-2008 at 07:56 AM

I see Gringorio already asked on her forum... http://www.bahiadelosangeles.info/message-board/index.php

tripledigitken - 7-8-2008 at 08:57 AM

CRACK?

Pescador - 7-8-2008 at 09:00 AM

Sounds like one less tweaker.

Von - 7-8-2008 at 11:50 AM

Thats crazy man! dam drugs our little get away has been awaking by the Devil oh well sooner or later it gets everwhere.......

bajaguy - 7-8-2008 at 11:51 AM

fired 8 shots and got 3 hits....that's less than a 50% hit rate

Von - 7-8-2008 at 11:54 AM

They need a shooting range to practice we should help with that? mmmMMM should we vote?

bajaguy - 7-8-2008 at 11:55 AM

I would think we should do something!!!

3 out of 8?

John M - 7-8-2008 at 05:32 PM

Heck, 3 hits out of 8 shots fired under stressful conditions ain't bad at all. Many (most maybe) stateside PDs would love that hit ratio!

Try it some time and see how easy it is!!!

John M

fulano - 7-8-2008 at 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
fired 8 shots and got 3 hits....that's less than a 50% hit rate

Actually, I just assumed people would read the article and flesh out the details if they were THAT interested. The officer fired 8 shots which hit the pick-up and three of which hit the perp. It was at night, and he was firing at a moving vehicle. Try shooting at night at a moving target when it's too dark to see your gunsights.

[Edited on 7-9-2008 by fulano]

fishbuck - 7-8-2008 at 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by fulano

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Originally posted by bajaguy
fired 8 shots and got 3 hits....that's less than a 50% hit rate

Okay, but try not to drive too fast.

I'm a little troubled by the glib responses. A young man died! An a policeman may have been seriously injured.
That's not funny. It's tragic.

Udo - 7-8-2008 at 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Von
They need a shooting range to practice we should help with that? mmmMMM should we vote?

The cops have to buy their own bullets (probably from the narcos), and are only allowed 30 liters of gas per car for their entire shift........
THEREFORE:
car chases are slow and only shoot when you just got paid! :smug:

Later news report

fulano - 7-9-2008 at 12:11 AM

http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/?id=12640

The story hasn't changed that much. It now says the Commander of Bahia de Los Angeles police, Adrian Rodriguez Torres, put 6 bullets into the back of the pick-up. 3 bullets hit the perp and the one that killed him hit him in the neck.

It goes on to further say that toxology tests show the perp was driving under the influences of marijuana, methamphetamine and amphetamine. He entered a tourist camp and was endangering the tourists.

CaboRon - 7-9-2008 at 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by fishbuck

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Originally posted by fulano

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Originally posted by bajaguy
fired 8 shots and got 3 hits....that's less than a 50% hit rate

Okay, but try not to drive too fast.

I'm a little troubled by the glib responses. A young man died! An a policeman may have been seriously injured.
That's not funny. It's tragic.

Hardly tragic .... it is something that happens many times each day all over the world .... when you play with matches you will get burned .... I feel compassion for the officer but not much for the tweeker.

CaboRon

shari - 7-9-2008 at 10:41 AM

hardly tragic unless it's your son/brother/neighbour....tweakers are human too...I do not condone this act but I do feel for his family. In these small villages we all know and love and are related to someone who does meth and I for one would rather wish for their recovery instead of their death. Many of us have done rash things under the influence or perhaps in a fit of anger or despair...most live through them...some don't. My heart goes out to the family of this man and to the police officers as well.

tripledigitken - 7-9-2008 at 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by shari
hardly tragic unless it's your son/brother/neighbour....tweakers are human too...I do not condone this act but I do feel for his family. In these small villages we all know and love and are related to someone who does meth and I for one would rather wish for their recovery instead of their death. Many of us have done rash things under the influence or perhaps in a fit of anger or despair...most live through them...some don't. My heart goes out to the family of this man and to the police officers as well.

Yes it is tragic when a family member suffers or worse. But......from my own observations and experience there is a lot of enabling going on in Mexico with regards to drug addiction/abuse.

Tough love is a concept which should become more common in the Mexican family. How else is the problem going to get resolved? :no:

my two cents

Ken

fishbuck - 7-9-2008 at 04:32 PM

Tough love? The guy is DEAD!

I was just fishing in that little town the day before. It's not much of a town but the more I go there it starts to grow on me. I walked around said hi to as many cute girls as I could bought tacos, beer etc.
I'm starting to get to know some of the people too. In fact I went to Jose Rosa's house to talk about fishing the evening before we went out.
I really want to go back and fish with Jose and maybe Guillermo if 1 or 2 of you will split his megapanga with me.
But I'll probably fish with Jose Rosa again in a Diaz panga. He's my captain in Bola. He's like an uncle to me and teaches me how to fish there.
It's a town with people and maybe some are troubled and make mistakes. But still people. Some are very good people.

David K - 7-9-2008 at 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck
Tough love? The guy is DEAD!

I was just fishing in that little town the day before. It's not much of a town but the more I go there it starts to grow on me. I walked around said hi to as many cute girls as I could bought tacos, beer etc.
I'm starting to get to know some of the people too. In fact I went to Jose Rosa's house to talk about fishing the evening before we went out.
I really want to go back and fish with Jose and maybe Guillermo if 1 or 2 of you will split his megapanga with me.
But I'll probably fish with Jose Rosa again in a Diaz panga. He's my captain in Bola. He's like an uncle to me and teaches me how to fish there.
It's a town with people and maybe some are troubled and make mistakes. But still people. Some are very good people.

That's the spirit fishbuck!

tripledigitken - 7-9-2008 at 04:42 PM

The fact that the guy is dead is the point. If his actions were caused by Meth or something similar is the tragedy. Family intervention, not just tolerating it could help in solving this problem both in Baja and here in the States.

I've seen families just throw their hands up and give up on those with addictions. Pot was different, meth kills.

Tough love can work given the resolve of the loved ones involved.

Ken

shari - 7-10-2008 at 09:08 AM

that's the point...maybe tough love CAN work...but it sure aint immediate...we had a personal family encounter with meth and while I wouldn't call it tough love...we did see to it that the family member "got help"....forced the person into recovery.....but it doesn't work for everyone and there are often relapses...slip ups etc...I just don't think killing the kid was the answer. I talked to our comandante about the subject...and in a small village...you do whatever you can to bring down the purp..short of killing him...if he ran over the cop...just disbling the vehicle and catching him would have worked as he'd be encarcerated for attempted murder and be put away for a good long time...long enough to kick his addiction.

Fishbuck...I'm glad Jose Rosas is like an uncle to you...he's our favorite uncle for real! great people the whole family.

woody with a view - 7-10-2008 at 09:17 AM

putting the guy in prison (because everyone knows there are no drugs there) might work, or not. but one thing's for sure, those cops made damn sure the guy won't be making the mistake of running down people anymore.....how would feelings be different if a child was run over by the tweeker? would a group hug suffice????would a group beating of the guy work????

tough love works. drug users will never stop until THEY want to stop. no amount of rehab works if the person can't wait to get high once they finish "the program". heck, now there is one less guy for the cartel to hire....

DianaT - 7-10-2008 at 11:01 AM

If he ran over the police officer, IMHO, the police did what they needed to do --- isn't it their job to protect others from being hurt? He could have easily run over someone else.

Having lost a brother many years ago to the world of heroin and eventual suicide after many years of being in and out of prison for property crimes committed to support his habit. I know this may sound cold, but while I mourned his death, there was also a relief involved. No longer in the small town did I have to face his victims, including myself and other family members. His only violent crimes were against family.

Tough love works sometimes, but as stated before, it only works when the addicted person is ready and makes a choice to accept help. Prison? Drugs are a major problem in prisons as is violence. Facing a long prison sentence is what put my brother over the edge to take his own life.

Yes, I always feel for the family who loses anyone, but I feel more for the victims. It is easy to get hooked on drugs which do take over one's being, but getting help is a choice.

Sad for his family, yes, but the blame belongs with the young man, IMHO.

Diane

toneart - 7-10-2008 at 11:34 AM

I remember that when Raquel was killed two years ago, the conjecture was that it was probably committed by a local tweaker who knew she and Larry were heading north with money.

Has anyone ever been pinned to that crime? What about this guy? How many local tweakers can there be in such a small town? The police usually know who is involved in what. I guess we will never know.

I am sorry if my question offends anyone but in my mind, those dots connect.

Mango - 7-10-2008 at 11:53 AM

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Yep, the policeman did what he had to do. The guy ran over his partner, and the other policeman - not knowing if he is next and how bad his partner is hurt shot the guy to protect himself, his partner, and his community.

It sucks. But, life can be harsh if you make rash and foolish choices. If you try to hurt or kill someone, you may wind up getting hurt or killed yourself. Thats just reality.

I feel bad for the tweaker and his family; but, I would have felt a lot different if one or two police had been run down and killed and there was a desperate tweaker on the loose running around killing people.

Tough love, soft love; whatever, just don't try to kill or hurt other people. You reap what you sow.

Mango - 7-10-2008 at 11:56 AM

toneart - you bring up a good point.

Roasty - 7-10-2008 at 12:52 PM

We left BOLA Monday AM and did not hear of this incident, I noticed some people camping along the old RV park in front of Villa Vita, so this could have been the campsite?
However we were talking to some local friends about the Raquel and Larry incident, and if you think 3 out of 8 hits is bad shooting what about 30 shots fired and not one hit Larry?
I know it was a tragic outcome/situation, but he's a very lucky guy in that respect.

Bajajack - 7-10-2008 at 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by grover
Well, they just charged the shooter with murder.

" Por César Córdova/EL VIGIA
2008-07-09 00:00:00
Ensenada, B.C. - Por el delito de homicidio calificado contra el civil Fernando Anaya Cortez, de 22 años de edad, el Comandante de la Policía Municipal de Bahía de los ángeles, Adrián Rodríguez Torres, fue consignado al juzgado correspondiente la mañana de ayer.

La Agencia del Ministerio Público de la PGJE en San Quintín informó que la consignación se sustenta en las diligencias practicadas y en la declaración de testigos..."

Am I reading it wrong, is the cop who shot the tweeker actually being charged with homicide?

Cypress - 7-10-2008 at 01:05 PM

Make no mistake about it, the guy would have killed the cop and anybody else that got in his way. :no:

He may or may not have had a twinge of conscius about it.

More than likely he would have bragged to his fellow criminals about it and moved a notch or two up the criminal pecking order.

fulano - 7-10-2008 at 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by grover
Well, they just charged the shooter with murder

This really stinks. I'll bet dollars to donuts that Cortez kid who was shot by the police chief had a rich family with connections. I believe in Mexico "homicidio calificado" is the same as first degree murder, which requires premeditation, among other attributes.

DianaT - 7-10-2008 at 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Bajajack

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Am I reading it wrong, is the cop who shot the tweeker actually being charged with homicide?

Certainly must be a lot more to this story---will be interesting to see what comes out.

Can't imagine that if he ran over a police officer that the other police officer was not in the right shooting at the perp -- self-defense and protecting the public, it seems.

Interesting, to say the least.

Diane

Something ain't Kosher

Bajajack - 7-10-2008 at 06:35 PM

First of all cop's in mexico never ever ever get charged with homicide unless it's political or somebody has a lot of juice.

Makes no difference if he was right or wrong.

mtgoat666 - 7-10-2008 at 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by Bajajack
First of all cop's in mexico never ever ever get charged with homicide unless it's political or somebody has a lot of juice.

Makes no difference if he was right or wrong.

many cops in mexico are simply criminals with badges. poor dead guy was probably running away from a bad cop.

fishbuck - 7-10-2008 at 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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many cops in mexico are simply criminals with badges. poor dead guy was probably running away from a bad cop.

That's what I was thinking. Maybe they were "in" on it. Sounds like the guy was running away. They know where he lived. Why chase him down and panic him?
He lived there for 22 years. He would have gone home eventually.
What was the original charge? Speeding through town. I didn't know that was a shooting offense in Bola.

David K - 7-10-2008 at 07:09 PM

I sure wish Mia could say something... as our eyes and ears in Bahia!

I asked her for input on her forum tonight, as well... :light:

fulano - 7-10-2008 at 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
many cops in mexico are simply criminals with badges. poor dead guy was probably running away from a bad cop.

The one he ran over with his pickup up?

Mango - 7-10-2008 at 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Who knows what the real story is..... it's not like the press in Mexico is any more accurate the the press in the U.S.

Either way I'd advise not "F"ing with the Mexican police. The cops in Brooklyn got away with shooting a guy 42 times while he tried to pull his wallet out (too quickly I guess?) to show the cops (not even in uniform) who he was.

Right or wrong.. know your place and time.. sometimes you need to just ignore pride or righteousness and pay the piper(with the gun).

Debra - 7-10-2008 at 08:59 PM

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? Bad cops in Bahia? I THINK NOT!!! If they had to chase someone, there must have been a GOOD reason, then the bad guy runs over another cop and his partner decides to shoot, not only to save his life, but perhaps the lives of the town folks............Go figure!?

I know this is trivia........but, last month while in Bahia, I stopped by the police station asking if they had seen my lost dog, the police went far and above their duty and suggested that I go to Xitall's and get a photo made, and,took it on their own to offer to copy and make fliers to post all over town for me! They even offered to help me in the search of my puppie. And DID! I got to know these guys over the couple of days my dog was missing, and I assure all of you here, these are not bad cops, but, people that protect the village what ever the problem might be.......lost dog and a paniced owner, or , perhaps a meth crazed idiot threatening homes and families.........they deserve our respect, I know they have mine!

CaboRon - 7-11-2008 at 05:39 AM

Very Interesting

toneart - 7-11-2008 at 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by grover
Sounds like a good opportunity to show a little reserve and humility in not speculating/advocating.

We weren't there, lots of flat-out garbage journalism around...

Perhaps we'll be surprised by further developments.

Good advice, Grover! :light:

CaboRon - 7-12-2008 at 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Man, that's a fast turn around on a toxicology report......who knew they were so efficient?

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Originally posted by fulano
http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/?id=12640

It goes on to further say that toxology tests show the perp was driving under the influences of marijuana, methamphetamine and amphetamine. He entered a tourist camp and was endangering the tourists.

[Edited on 7-11-2008 by soulpatch]

it does take longer, the report is BS

aha baja - 7-13-2008 at 10:33 AM

Karma... Got to Bahia a few hours after the incedent.I have it from a Very reliable source(30 year ex pats living in Bahia) that Cortez was involved in a vehicular manslaughter in ensenada a few years ago. Got off scott free(somehow) The la familia Cortez is known locally for "Dealing" in Bahia. Frontier justice-karma. Just hope there are no reprisals. Federales were called in to investigate. Just a young punk kid caught up in Crystal and paid the ultimate price

aha baja - 7-13-2008 at 10:41 AM

P.S. Saw the funeral prep on tues for a wed 6pm burial. His plot is 50' back of the front mosoleum to the right.All i can hopeis that this was just an anomoly and that is over and done with.

aha baja - 7-13-2008 at 10:50 AM

PS Fulano The cop is in hospital and is in critical condition. So what ever illinformed cynical opinion you have about this case it is backed with hard evidence. anything else is pure conjecture

Barry A. - 7-13-2008 at 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by jdtrotter
If he ran over the police officer, IMHO, the police did what they needed to do --- isn't it their job to protect others from being hurt? He could have easily run over someone else.

Having lost a brother many years ago to the world of heroin and eventual suicide after many years of being in and out of prison for property crimes committed to support his habit. I know this may sound cold, but while I mourned his death, there was also a relief involved. No longer in the small town did I have to face his victims, including myself and other family members. His only violent crimes were against family.

Tough love works sometimes, but as stated before, it only works when the addicted person is ready and makes a choice to accept help. Prison? Drugs are a major problem in prisons as is violence. Facing a long prison sentence is what put my brother over the edge to take his own life.

Yes, I always feel for the family who loses anyone, but I feel more for the victims. It is easy to get hooked on drugs which do take over one's being, but getting help is a choice.

Sad for his family, yes, but the blame belongs with the young man, IMHO.

Diane

Diane------

In my opinion you are "right on" in your points----all of them here.

Lets wait until all the facts are known before forming opinions, as others have said.

As a retired LE officer, 3 or 4 hits out of 6 or 8 shots is fantastic!!! This shooting sounds like a totally legit one to me, so far. (Cops are TRAINED [it is pounded into their heads] to shoot to kill in circumstances like this-----as described)

Barry

fulano - 7-13-2008 at 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by aha baja
PS Fulano The cop is in hospital and is in critical condition. So what ever illinformed cynical opinion you have about this case it is backed with hard evidence. anything else is pure conjecture

p.s. Aha baja, the only opinion I rendered on this thread was that I though it stinks that they charged the chief of police with murder for shooting the kid after he ran over his fellow officer, and that I thought the kid probably had a family with 'connections'. And if you would read the newpaper article I linked in my post, you would learn that the cop is OK and was released from the hospital after 24-hours of observation.

That is what you get for getting your facts from the nearest latrine while taking a dump [e.g. some "30-year expat"] instead of reading the news.

Do you have some kind of a problem with that? Or do you need a short course in reading comprehension?

[Edited on 7-13-2008 by fulano]

aha baja - 7-13-2008 at 11:35 AM

I hadn't read the news article as I just got in from bahia last night. I misspoke and misinterpereted your post. my bad on that

BajaBruno - 7-13-2008 at 12:34 PM

I had my wife translate the articles for me. What I heard was that the officer was in stable condition with head trauma and unspecified spinal injuries, and in 48 hours he may be released, or may not. That time has passed and I don't know what happened.

There are easily imaginable situations where an officer could be charged with murder, even when the Reader’s Digest version of events seems to justify deadly force. I won’t speculate what happened here, but I was in BOLA when this happened and I probably heard the gunshots, though at the time I dismissed them as cherry bombs. I don’t recall hearing any sirens or seeing flashing lights, but I was reading and didn’t walk over to investigate. The next day we saw a couple of very professional looking cops outfitted in jumpsuits and driving an unmarked Expedition making inquiries about town. We saw the short funeral procession a couple of days ago as we were leaving BOLA.

In US law, homicide and murder are very different terms, but it may be important to remind readers that Mexico works by Napoleonic law and judicial criminal investigations of disputed or uncertain facts are very common. This may simply be a case where the shooting officer is brought before the magistrate so that a proper judicial investigation can be conducted—the judge will then decide if the officer is prosecuted. The newspaper report says that the state attorney general (that’s the best translation of the title that I can muster) is making a fuss that the deceased was not armed with a gun (I guess s/he doesn't consider a vehicle a weapon), but that may be just newspaper hyperbole, or based on a statement of facts that we are not aware of. I suspect that as this story plays out and the facts become more clear, we will see that early conclusions were silly and unfounded.

BTW, toxicology tests for drugs can be done in an hour or so. That it takes so long for reports to be produced in the US is not a function of the actual processing time, but simply the bureaucratic maze such forensic requests need to travel in our system.

fulano - 7-13-2008 at 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
I had my wife translate the articles for me. What I heard was that the officer was in stable condition with head trauma and unspecified spinal injuries, and in 48 hours he may be released, or may not. That time has passed and I don't know what happened.

From the article which I linked:

"Tenía lesiones en el costado derecho de su cuerpo y permaneció casi un día en observación, pero al confirmar que su estado de salud era estable, abandonó el hospital.

Aclaró que el paciente no está completamente sano, pero ya está fuera de peligro, por lo que ahora deberá seguir un tratamiento y guardar reposo en su hogar. "

[Translation]

He had lesions on the right side of his body and remained almost one day under observation, but upon confirmation that his health was stable, he left the hospital.

He clarified that the patient is not completely healthy, but is now out of danger, and should now follow a treatment plan and home rest.

...and the other article actually says that the police chief was not just brought before a magistrate, it says he was incarcerated, and made no mention of any bail.

[Edited on 7-13-2008 by fulano]

Cypress - 7-13-2008 at 01:06 PM

Running over a cop ain't a smart move.

Especially if his partner happens to be nearby, he might pop a cap or two at you just for the hell of it.

You could get shot doing stuff like that. :biggrin:

BajaBruno - 7-13-2008 at 01:39 PM

Sorry, Fulano, but I do not see the text that you quote in the original article that you linked. I do see:

"Datos de la PGJE señalan que al llegar presentaba traumatismo craneoencefálico y lesiones en la columna. En 48 horas se determinará su permanencia en el hospital o si se le da de alta."

Which I translate to mean that information from the justice department is that the officer arrived at the hospital with head trauma and spinal injuries and that in 48 hours it would be determined if he could be released.

Oh, I see where you got this. There is a later article that you are quoting:

http://www.elvigia.net/noticias/?seccion=generales&id=44...

and yes, that article does say that the injured officer was released.

As for the shooting officer (the police chief), my knowledge of Napoleonic Law as it is applied in Mexico is far from complete, but in other Napoleonic Law countries it is common to take persons into “custody” (which sometimes means house arrest) for a magistrate to conduct a judicial inquiry of the events. How it is applied in this case, I do not know—I just think we should be mindful that the Mexican legal system, even when it is functioning exactly as designed, is much different in character than the US system.

toneart - 7-13-2008 at 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
eleased.

As for the shooting officer (the police chief), my knowledge of Napoleonic Law as it is applied in Mexico is far from complete, but in other Napoleonic Law countries it is common to take persons into “custody” (which sometimes means house arrest) for a magistrate to conduct a judicial inquiry of the events. How it is applied in this case, I do not know—I just think we should be mindful that the Mexican legal system, even when it is functioning exactly as designed, is much different in character than the US system.

In The United States, police officers who are involved in a shooting that resulted in death are immediately placed on furlough, pending investigation. Maybe the Napoleonic application of the law works the same way.(?)

Incarceration would certainly be an effective way to keep him clear of the investigation, and even the area. Maybe this is not a violation of the officer's civil rights, in Mexico. Pretty good insurance for all, including the officer.

pascuale - 7-18-2008 at 05:12 PM

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I agree, better in rehab than dead but looks like it was necessary. Sad to hear in such a beautiful place.

Udo - 7-18-2008 at 06:28 PM

I am beginning to think that it is best to just post the spanish links regarding writings in newpapers or other sources, and let the BN members that read Spanish interpret the writings and conjectures on their own. It doesn't pay for Fulano, myself, or other members to interpret the writing. As we all know, iterpretations are subjet to interpretation of the interpreting interpritor.
Try to say [b[THAT in Spanish.
phew!

CaboRon - 7-19-2008 at 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by udowinkler
I am beginning to think that it is best to just post the spanish links regarding writings in newpapers or other sources, and let the BN members that read Spanish interpret the writings and conjectures on their own. It doesn't pay for Fulano, myself, or other members to interpret the writing. As we all know, iterpretations are subjet to interpretation of the interpreting interpritor.
Try to say [b[THAT in Spanish.
phew!

You Are Wrong .... We Appreciate the Translations ,

CaboRon

We may never know
Bajajack - 7-19-2008 at 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by grover
Rodríguez Torres Brought To Cereso/Ensenada

http://elvigia.net/noticias/?seccion=elvalle&id=13451&am...
what it's all about but for sure someone with a lotta juice is after this guy.

fulano - 7-19-2008 at 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by grover
Rodríguez Torres Brought To Cereso/Ensenada

http://elvigia.net/noticias/?seccion=elvalle&id=13451&am...

You know if you read between the lines in this article and the other news items about the incident, based upon all the security they have thrown up around this accused police chief, I think they are trying to protect him from some kind of a revenge attack.

He's just one straight-up guy and not really a flight risk, yet they have a whole wall of people guarding him.

There's that one little problem
Bajajack - 7-19-2008 at 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by fulano

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Originally posted by grover
Rodríguez Torres Brought To Cereso/Ensenada

http://elvigia.net/noticias/?seccion=elvalle&id=13451&am...

You know if you read between the lines in this article and the other news items about the incident, based upon all the security they have thrown up around this accused police chief, I think they are trying to protect him from some kind of a revenge attack.

He's just one straight-up guy and not really a flight risk, yet they have a whole wall of people guarding him.
he was charged as I read it with murder and by mexican standards very quickly, really too quickly as opposed to the norm.

It's gonna take a while to sort this one out, if ever.