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Graffiti

lizard lips - 7-8-2008 at 10:11 PM

I have lived in Ensenada for the last 22 years just about 1 mile south of the center of town in a nice area with middle class homes that have been plagued by recent robberies.

Just this morning I saw that someone has tagged my home with graffiti. I had heard that some gangs have done this to inform it's members that this home could be easily robbed, has a dog and don't rob it, or some other meaning. The graffiti that was on my wall is not big and only has a few letters and a number. It could be just the gang sign or mean what I had mentioned.

Has anyone heard of this before? I am going to contact a friend at the police station tomorrow but I though that one of you may have some information regarding this.

BajaGringo - 7-8-2008 at 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by lizard lips
I have lived in Ensenada for the last 22 years just about 1 mile south of the center of town in a nice area with middle class homes that have been plagued by recent robberies.

Just this morning I saw that someone has tagged my home with graffiti. I had heard that some gangs have done this to inform it's members that this home could be easily robbed, has a dog and don't rob it, or some other meaning. The graffiti that was on my wall is not big and only has a few letters and a number. It could be just the gang sign or mean what I had mentioned.

Has anyone heard of this before? I am going to contact a friend at the police station tomorrow but I though that one of you may have some information regarding this.


My son-in-law works for a Sheriffs team targeting gang crime and told me about this months ago. I will see if I can get a copy of the signs and their meanings from him. When I do I will pass it along to you.

In the meantime just get a picture of it and paint over it.

fulano - 7-8-2008 at 10:38 PM

Most of the time the graffiti that has a few letters and a number is a gang name. They mark their territory like a dog marks a tree.

In Los Angeles you see graffiti like "18st" which is the 18th Street gang, or "MS13", which is Mara Salvatrucha.

If you see the same lettering all over in a specific area, it means that particular gang "owns" that territory and anybody that wants to "work" crimes in that area, like drug dealing, stealing, etc. owes that gang "tribute' to let them work the area.

[Edited on 7-9-2008 by fulano]

BajaGringo - 7-8-2008 at 10:51 PM

That is true but there are also some "new" burglary related tags that are specific for houses with info like no dog, no alarm, gone during the day, owner away, house vacant, good stuff-come back, etc.

I had heard about this going on up in the states so I guess it was just a matter of time until it worked its way down south...

Pescador - 7-9-2008 at 08:17 AM

If Bajagringo can just get a guide to these, then everyone could get a painted sign that says no dog, and then ave a big rotweiler in residence and maybe we can figure out how to paint OOPS.:lol:

CaboRon - 7-9-2008 at 08:34 AM

I moved down here from an area that has fought a mighty battle against tagging. We learned a few things ....

1. Take a picture of the "artwork"

2. Paint or erase it as soon as possible.

Removing it quickly is the only way to slow it down. It is kind of dissapointing to them to not be able to drive by later and see their scheiss.

As to meanings of tags ... it has been common practice in California to tag a house for either squating or purposes of burglery.

That's all I can offer, other than restricting sales of spray paints seems to help, and sentencing the culprits to many hours of community service painting over grafitti :lol:

CaboRon

lingililingili - 7-9-2008 at 08:46 AM

Our house was tagged last week along with neighbors on both sides of us. Ours was painted immediately and is fine. The neighbors, on the other hand, did not paint and have continued to get tagged since then with more grafitti.

bajadock - 7-9-2008 at 09:04 AM

Dan,
That is not good news about your house getting tagged.

Our little neighborhood across the bay from you has also been discussing security issues. Hope you and your neighbors can come up with some discouragement for miscreants.

lizard lips - 7-9-2008 at 09:37 AM

Thanks for the info.

A beautiful home around the corner has a large white wall surrounding the property and it is completely full of their ugly art work. They have painted the wall no less than 20 times and it continues to be tagged. They just gave up. If you paint the wall white then they use black paint and if you paint it black they use light colors. Oh well.....There isn't much we can do unless someone installs a video camera then what? Maybe something worse will happen next time.

So now my morning will include painting and a photo. By the way I do have a big dog and a security system and a baseball bat as well as pepper spray and a tazer.

Sometimes I think if you let your home go in need of repair, paint etc. then you are less likely to be bothered. Who knows? At least thats what I tell my wife when she says that the home needs a good paint job.

My neighbor across the street had an intruder that came into his home through a side door and walked into their kitchen as they were having dinner. He was a very big guy and a fight ensued. My neighbor got the best of him and this guy ran from the home and as he was running down the street he ran into a telephone pole and was knocked out. All of my neighbors and me held him down until the police came and as they were taking him away he look at us and said he would be back and kill us all. What a bonehead but this could have gone really bad.

I would like to start a neighborhood watch program here in Ensenada. I wonder if it would be possible?

CaboRon - 7-9-2008 at 09:51 AM

I saw a news doc recently about a company with a grafitti problem .... they installed motion sensors that turned on water sprinkler heads mounted on top of the wall ... really shut them down fast :lol::lol::lol:

CaboRon

Note: This might not be effective with the low water pressure in La Paz .... when you receive you ration every other day .... OMG the sprinkler wouldn't work down here.

N E V E R M I N D .....Rosan Rosanna Dana

toneart - 7-9-2008 at 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
I saw a news doc recently about a company with a grafitti problem .... they installed motion sensors that turned on water sprinkler heads mounted on top of the wall ... really shut them down fast :lol::lol::lol:

CaboRon

Note: This might not be effective with the low water pressure in La Paz .... when you receive you ration every other day .... OMG the sprinkler wouldn't work down here.

N E V E R M I N D .....Rosan Rosanna Dana


How about installing propane blow torch sprinklers, activated by sensors?:o Now that could start a whole new dance fad. :wow:

CG - 7-9-2008 at 10:20 AM

Graffiti annoys the hell out of me:mad: I can't believe the nerve of these pricks to paint on someone else's property to mark THEIR territory (like these ingrates OWN anything)

I think a public campaign should be started to humiliate these taggers something like:
---------------------------------------------------------
E=MC2 - The writings of a genius

@#$$##@(graffiti) - The writings of an idiot
---------------------------------------------------------

Post stuff like that up in as many places as possible. Or plant news stories saying graffiti is a secret code for the guys that love gay sex...

Over the years I've done a couple different things to combat graffiti in my neighborhood. I find that painting over it as fast as possible is probably the best. But putting signs around the property saying "WARNING All Activities are Recorded on Video Tape To Aid In The Prosecution Of Any Crime Committed Against This Facility" have worked great for me.

Other fun things I've done have been:

I made up some big posters saying;

"If your mother is a cheap hoar, sign below like these idiots"

I put those up high on the walls that were getting covered with graffiti.

Last year I started seeing tags from someone signing "JTS" when he hit my house I decided to return the favor. One night, I sprayed "JTS" in his style, over a nice Virgin Mary mural (off limits to taggers) as well as on a couple Narco houses in the area (you know the ones, big nice houses with white walls & NEVER one sign of graffiti) even the police sub-delegation down the way...

Well I guess someone handed JTS his ass cause I haven't seen any new tags from him in a while :cool::lol:

BajaNomad - 7-9-2008 at 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
I saw a news doc recently about a company with a grafitti problem .... they installed motion sensors that turned on water sprinkler heads ...


http://www.knbc.com/print/16664449/detail.html
http://www.contech-inc.com/Products/Scarecrow
http://www.tagbak.com/graffiti_products.php

fulano - 7-9-2008 at 10:52 AM

I had some businesses near downtown Los Angeles that where in an area claimed by the "18th Street Gang". They would tag everthing in sight with all sorts of variations of their name. One of the more common tags was to write "Diesiocho", which is Spanish for "18".

One night I changed their tag to "Diespocho's".

For the Spanish challenged:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocho

:lol:

lizard lips - 7-9-2008 at 12:28 PM

Just painted over the fine artwork after taking a photo. Now it will be interesting if it gets done again. Maybe I should have left it up. It may have meant a real BAD ASSSSS LIVES HERE.:fire:

And thanks for idea of putting up that device Doug but it would pee off all of the beggers that routinely come by every day!

[Edited on 01/10/2007 by lizard lips]

bajajudy - 7-9-2008 at 12:46 PM

I agree that removing it is the best move. We have gotten tagged only once here in Mexico....and my husband immediately covered it with paint and that was it.

Cypress - 7-9-2008 at 01:46 PM

Reality check!:)Do you want to live in an area where gang bangers are running around spray painting your house?:(

lizard lips - 7-9-2008 at 02:21 PM

No, but I don't want to move to northern Idaho either...........

Cypress - 7-9-2008 at 02:23 PM

lizard lips,:biggrin: Good point!:biggrin:

lingililingili - 7-9-2008 at 04:27 PM

I have to answer "yes" to your question!

We've lived in Idaho, it's cold there, it snows and even in the summer the rivers are so cold your private parts go numb.

In the states it is hard to find a really great shrimp taco, entire families don't head out for a walk in the evening and it is a joy to see that children are children, not spoiled, whining and fussing over stupid "stuff".

I remember coming to Mexico to see family every Christmas since I was a kid and I could not get over the garbage everywhere. That has changed so much over the years and I really hope the grafitti will go the same direction.

Not ready to give up on Baja.



Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Reality check!:)Do you want to live in an area where gang bangers are running around spray painting your house?:(

Reality Check

JaraHurd - 7-9-2008 at 04:38 PM

I am not the run and hide type. I have friends that live in Washington, Alaska, Nevada, Idaho, Hawai'i, South Carolina as well as all over California. All have seen graffiti in and around their neighborhoods. Where exactly do we go to avoid graffiti. Please don't suggest we move to Coeur d'Alene..that place has problems far deeper than spray paint.

Cypress - 7-9-2008 at 05:02 PM

JaraHurd, North Idaho is a great place to live.:yes:Gets a little tuff in the winter tho.:yes:

JaraHurd - 7-9-2008 at 06:03 PM

I agree. But it is not without its problems. You live where you live. There is no "reality check" about it. I know many fine people who can't afford to live anywhere else but the inner city. They live amongst the ilk (graffiti, etc..) Where are they to move? Their reality check is that is where they have to live because that is where the jobs are. They are lucky to get a job at all...much less one that pays minimum wage. Most are not in this country "legally" so it is very difficult to obtain consistent, good-payin work. Most work very hard and are very respectful, considerate, hard-working folks. Consider it a blessing that you live in a beautiful place but I can assure you..it is not perfect. Graffiti sucks..but it is just something that SOME (apparently less fortunate) people have to endure in life.

Wiles - 7-9-2008 at 06:52 PM

Back in 1994 my wife & I were living and working on the British Virgin Island of Virgin Gorda when the first and only graffiti appeared on the island. It had us shaking in our flip flops....with laughter that is.

Tough gang with a smiley face.

tough gang (Small).jpg - 46kB

Balara - 7-14-2008 at 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by Wiles
Back in 1994 my wife & I were living and working on the British Virgin Island of Virgin Gorda when the first and only graffiti appeared on the island. It had us shaking in our flip flops....with laughter that is.

Tough gang with a smiley face.


That's hilarious! :lol:

Chamaco - 7-17-2008 at 07:28 PM

Remove it the very next day. They like to look at there (artwork) and when you make them keep risking getting caught in the same place, they stop tagging your area. I speak from experience, being a care taker of a large downtown property in a big city here in Baja. Remove it and they will after a couple of times tag other places where their paint will stay longer.

lizard lips - 7-17-2008 at 10:21 PM

Thanks Lencho!

It wasn't one of those and I did paint over it the ext day. I believe it was just a gang logo.

fulano - 7-17-2008 at 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by grover
I didn't understand a few things;

most are done between 1-4 pm?

the owner is coming back soon?

the door opens with a chain? the owner answers the door holding one?

Use a chain to open it?

As you can see, I'm stumped.


I'm not so sure that's all real. It's one of those urban myths, but this one circulates all through Latin America.

http://yolytesoro.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/marcar-las-casas-...

I think "abren con cadena" means that when the door opens, there is a secondary chain, like on hotel rooms.

bajasol - 7-18-2008 at 12:32 AM

I think we introduce a little Pacific Northwest to our southern brothern...bear traps ! :lol:
No, no, no it will only T them off.
In downtown LA, I have seen the "artists" hanging from overpasses and even a train bridge just to get the hard to get yet super visible tag. Plus you would be surprised to see who actually are doing the tags...
PLus on the walls of the 110N tunnels next to Dodger Stadium, the taggers are using the dirty walls as their canvas. Their signs are being made with the use of a cleaning solvent. Using the clean wall underneath to bring a "high gloss tag". Amazingly the walls have not been cleaned for over four months now.
Thanks Cal Trans :P

Sharksbaja - 7-18-2008 at 12:56 AM

Quite frankly. let em tag tunnels, who should give a squat? The paint may actually help protect the cement from being boring.

Way to go!

Mexicali_Kid - 7-18-2008 at 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by CG

Last year I started seeing tags from someone signing "JTS" when he hit my house I decided to return the favor. One night, I sprayed "JTS" in his style, over a nice Virgin Mary mural (off limits to taggers) as well as on a couple Narco houses in the area (you know the ones, big nice houses with white walls & NEVER one sign of graffiti) even the police sub-delegation down the way...

Well I guess someone handed JTS his burro cause I haven't seen any new tags from him in a while :cool::lol:


This is so funny, I have been laughing for days.:lol:

CaboRon - 7-18-2008 at 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by Mexicali_Kid
Quote:
Originally posted by CG

Last year I started seeing tags from someone signing "JTS" when he hit my house I decided to return the favor. One night, I sprayed "JTS" in his style, over a nice Virgin Mary mural (off limits to taggers) as well as on a couple Narco houses in the area (you know the ones, big nice houses with white walls & NEVER one sign of graffiti) even the police sub-delegation down the way...

Well I guess someone handed JTS his burro cause I haven't seen any new tags from him in a while :cool::lol:


This is so funny, I have been laughing for days.:lol:


I have just got to add,

This is the funniest post of the entire thread .......

Thanks ,

Glad you didn't get caught while enhancing the virgin mary :lol::lol::lol:

CaboRon

bajasol - 7-18-2008 at 11:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Quite frankly. let em tag tunnels, who should give a squat? The paint may actually help protect the cement from being boring.


Here is a good example of someone who does not read the whole post, only the parts they want to then they assume everything else.
They are not using paint in the tunnels, they are using cleaning solvents to make theirs tags: hence, partial cleaning the walls down. Its an abstract thing. ;)

Cypress - 8-2-2008 at 11:24 AM

Some of those graffiti artists are really talented.:D Boxcars!:D Bridges!:D It's an improvement.:D Let 'em paint to their hearts delight as long as it isn't offensive or obscene.:D Private property on the other hand, is off- limits.:(

woody with a view - 8-2-2008 at 11:27 AM

who owns boxcars and brigdes? no one?

Cypress - 8-2-2008 at 01:04 PM

woody in ob, Good point.:yes:Owned a dridge once.:yes: Haven't had the pleasure of owning any boxcars.:biggrin:

oxxo - 8-2-2008 at 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Some of those graffiti artists are really talented Boxcars! Bridges! It's an improvement. Let 'em paint to their hearts delight as long as it isn't offensive or obscene. Private property on the other hand, is off- limits(


Yeah, let them paint boxcars and bridges.....nobody owns those. You mean let them paint anything they want as long as it is not in my backyard. Makes perfect sense.

Are you volunteering to orgainize those vandals to tell them where to paint and what is offensive and obscene and what is not? Perhaps you would like to donate the front of your house to one of the pinchis you think is particularly talented. I'm sure it will increase the value of your house since it IS an original work of art. Maybe it would even be an improvement.

Cypress - 8-2-2008 at 04:38 PM

oxxo, Now that's a bit of a stretch.:) Some of those synapses must be misfiring.:yes: