BajaNomad - Things That Go RIGHT in Baja

Things That Go RIGHT in Baja

shari - 7-15-2008 at 01:25 PM

Inspired by Bruce's "go wrong" thread, and to counter fulana's posts about how awful she paints baja to be....I would like to hear from people about things that GO RIGHT here. I loved it when I could have been fined for driving over a curb...but the comandante just laughed when I brought him over some fish to pay for my bad!

The Police drive the kids who live a ways out of town to their home if they are out past 10:00 curfew...as well as take drunks home and put them to bed instead of jail.

I love to see the teachers walking arm in arm with their students in the schoolyard...kids here LOVE thier teacher and visa versa and they show it (without getting arrested).

I love it that everyone watches our for the kids...no need for lifeguards at the beach....
it's great you can go to someones house and get them to come and open a store or office if it is closed.

YOu can get a great haircut for $5

Ya gotta love it when you visit a lobster camp and they stuff you absolutely full with fresh lobster...for the sheer pleasure of having company

I love it when I'm at my wits end with a seemingly impossible problem and an amigo comes to the rescue assuring me there is ALWAYS a solution....and FINDS it.

It's awesome that people like my husband and I can afford to live in an amazing place at the ocean's edge....and gorge on abalone, lobster etc.

You get the idea....

Capt. George - 7-15-2008 at 01:43 PM

Coming home to Abreojos one trip, a bunch of our friends were chewing the fat, seen us coming, after being gone for quite a while...

Gave us an ovation as we passed. Truly they were happy to see us. A very nice feeling.

shari - 7-15-2008 at 01:47 PM

lovely Captain...like bajaboy had all that food laid out for him when he arrived...people really love each other and treat each other well and look after each other cause someday...it might be YOU who needs help.

Gotta love it that when you want to build something ya just go buy the cement, wire, plumbing whatever...and DO IT! right or wrong, you learn by doing....don't need no stinking permit for every little thing.

Animals sure prefer baja...no leash laws! and they get to keep their gonads.

As I go about my daily chores, I am thinking about all the wonderful things I have to be thankful for living in this country I call home...and all the amazing people surrounding me here. I am warmed when I see mentally and physically handicapped people being cared for by their families and fellow villagers...in normal schools, as well as elders...no old folks home for them...they grow old in a dignified manner and die with honor.
There are NO homeless in our village..what there is is compassion and respect for all....yes all...including those with vices, problems, poor, rich...brown, white, yellow with two heads...whatever. Apart from all the problems this country has...I am honoured to live here and will try my best to help out where I can instead of criticizing. thank you baja for giving me refuge, family and peace....as well as good waves!
baja....buena onda

[Edited on 7-15-2008 by shari]

Diver - 7-15-2008 at 01:59 PM

Things that go RIGHT in Baja;

Oh where to start ......
Remember the story about the guy that helped fix my 2 flat tires near Asuncion ?
Or the story about the lady and kids in Cuidad Const. that took us home for lunch ?
Or the story about my son learning to kite sail at age 6-7 ?
Or the story about meeting Shari, Juan, Sirena and Martio ?
Or the story about folks helping us find our lost kid in La Ventana ?
Or the story about TRYING to catch my first YT in Asuncion ?
Or the story about when my outboard died in Concepcion and we got rescued ?
Or the story about our dinners and adventures with Pompano ?
Or the eating and whaling adventure with BirdDog, Ifly, Shari and more ?
Or the nice Mexican family that took Zack fishing when our motor wouldn't run ?
Or when Ramone dropped Ramondito at our door for a playdate with our son ?
Or when the neighbor kids adopt my kids for all their fun ?
Or when we met and partied with Miquel and Juanita and 25 other Nomads for the holidays ?
Or ..... so many things .....

You get the point !!
The good sure outweight any bad in my book !!! :biggrin:

Can't wait to get back !!

bajajudy - 7-15-2008 at 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari

Animals sure prefer baja...no leash laws! and they get to keep their gonads.

I agree with all the things you have said except this quote.

One of the right things about some communities are programs to spay and neuter dogs and cats.

Cypress - 7-15-2008 at 02:28 PM

There's a laid-back easy going attitude when you get down deep in Baja. :bounce:

The deeper you get, the better it gets.

Reminds me of way back when down south in Dixie Land 30 or 40 yrs ago.

shari - 7-15-2008 at 02:34 PM

Judy, I was just thinking about the animals points of view...why THEY love baja...I am wholy suportive of neutering and spaying but I doubt the male dogs are!!!!

rts551 - 7-15-2008 at 02:35 PM

Good on you Shari.

All of the above. But most importantly, the people. They will do anything for you and ask nothing in return. In Abreojos, my arm gets tired just waving to all my friends as pass my way to the tienda (cerveza of course). In the surrounding towns, nothing but help if you need it and always a friendly smile. Many a time on my way North to Asuncion I will stop to have a beer (yes Fulano - on my ATV) and people will stop just to make sure things are OK. I have learned over my many years in Baja to relate to the attitude that there is always tomorrow. And you know what I now appreciate it as well!

tripledigitken - 7-15-2008 at 02:51 PM

The good deeds of Nomads and other Norte Americanos for the people of Baja, most of which is never made public.

That bag of clothes that finds it way to a needy family, that ream of paper that lands on the steps of a local school, that mobile medical facility that appears near a dirt strip.

Events like the Dia de Reyes which puts toys and bikes in kids hands and smiles on everybody's faces.

Ken

stanburn - 7-15-2008 at 03:02 PM

not Baja, but I was in an Abarrotes this morning and a local guy had a Mexican 1898 1 centavo coin. A Canadian was admiring it and about 5 minutes later the local came and gave it to him.

Potable water leak and the police came by three times and woke me up to ensure I knew about the leak? It was the water company's problem, but I appreciate it.

Going to a soccer game and getting off the bus early and some cruisers were on the bus and tried to follow, but the bus driver wouldn't let them off the bus. They told him they were going to the hospital, the stadium is behind it, and where I got off was 3 blocks away. He wasn't going to let them get lost. They asked for the hospital and he was going to ensure they got to the hospital.

etc, etc, etc

Good thread Shari

jls - 7-15-2008 at 04:01 PM

Walking the beaches with new Mexican friends and chatting like school girls even though I can not even speak Spanish. Dancing, drinking beer and laughing with the women at the Mothers' Day party was so awesome. Meeting the desert ranchers and there family who are working so hard just to get by and yet still oozing with kindness, friendship and simple gratitude.
Thanks Shari , I love the good stuff.

lizard lips - 7-15-2008 at 04:06 PM

I love it when the Mexican Airlines are always on time! :bounce:

Cypress - 7-15-2008 at 04:07 PM

Any doubts about what's right with Baja?

Go back to the smile photos. :yes:

no LEFTS here.....

woody with a view - 7-15-2008 at 04:08 PM

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terrybird - 7-15-2008 at 04:22 PM

It's just nice to read a positive post, some good ones here. :bounce:

bajaboolie - 7-15-2008 at 04:42 PM

Thanks for starting this thread, Shari.

What warmed my heart the most was during our last trip. At lunchtime I mentioned to the people running the small restaurant we frequent that it was my husband's birthday that day. We came back for dinner that night and the woman who ran the restaurant spent her afternoon baking a birthday cake for him and we had an impromptu birthday party!

We were so genuinely touched and honored.

jls - 7-15-2008 at 04:44 PM

Isn’t so much of life about who and not what? In Baja it is a spectacular what but a truly enchanting WHO.

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2008 at 04:49 PM

most things are better for me here in Mexico than in the USA that is why I am here. the best people in the world are the biggest draw :yes:

Ken Bondy - 7-15-2008 at 06:23 PM

Oh wow, let me count the ways:

First, and foremost, the people. The aged Mexican man in the rickety panel truck who stops at the side of the dirt road to help you change a tire, and stays with you for an hour til it is done. The young Mexican mechanic at Mexicali who spends two difficult hours changing a tricky alternator belt in the left engine of the Baron and then charges you $25, including the new belt. The young waiter at Cesar's in Loreto who cracks up when you ask for a dog scrotum (saco de perro) instead of a doggie bag (bolsa de perro). The beautiful and skilled pangueros why make a living working on the ocean. The young friendly Mexican soldiers who try to get me to trade my red Hummer for one (or occasionally two) of their drab green ones. Watching my kids, when they were young, interact with Baja kids. Watching my kids experience all that I have in Baja.......

The scenery: On the Sea of Cortez side, the desert just seems to turn into ocean. On the Pacific side, the miles of magnificent empty white-sand beaches, the pristine lagoon. Miles of lonely road lined with five-story tall cardons, the mysterious Picacho del Diablo, awesome from any view including above......

The marine life: Breathtaking schools of big hammerhead sharks schooling above you at El Bajo. Huge swirling tornados of big toro jacks at Las Animas. Sea lions swooping by and belching big blasts of air at Los Islotes. Magnificent life on the old wreck of the Salvatierra in the La Paz channel. The unforgettable, life-changing experience of having a fifty-ton gray whale nudge your panga with her nose in Laguna San Ignacio. The little stuff on the reefs, nudibranchs, blennies, all making a living in the ancient code of the ocean.

The places I came to love. The first airborne sight of the channels and patterns at the north end of the Sea of Cortez as you gain altitude out of Mexicali. The first sight of the big rock marking San Felipe. San Francisquito with perhaps the most beautiful beach in all of Baja, still-charming Loreto, La Paz, Cabo San Lucas before it became Cabo, Rancho Buena Vista, and the best of all, Punta Pescadero where my kids learned the vagaries of hermit crab racing. Among other things.

Reading this now it sounds lame. It doesn't begin to describe all the good things I remember about Baja, all the things that are RIGHT. There is just too much memory in there for me to make much of a dent. I love Baja dearly and am sad that I may never see it again. Just memories now. Glad I took lots of pictures :biggrin:

Bob H - 7-15-2008 at 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by terrybird
It's just nice to read a positive post, some good ones here. :bounce:

I totally AGREE! Thanks for starting this wonderful thread Shari.
Bob H

BajaGringo - 7-15-2008 at 06:57 PM

I have been blessed to live and work in different points on this planet but never have I experienced such warmth as that which has been shared with me here on the Baja peninsula. I went through a hell no parent should ever know a little over four years ago and the kind people here on this peninsula took me under their arm and treated me like I was one of their own family. The experience changed me and my view of Baja forever.

That experience truly made Baja "my" home and the wonderful people here "my" friends and family. I know that I am blessed...

Iflyfish - 7-15-2008 at 07:07 PM

Crossing the border in Tijuanna for the first time in many years and this time with a motor home. A guy sees me looking for the building where one gets the permits, papers etc. He crosses the street, unbidden and tells me where to go to get what we needed!

The gal in Centenario who shared wonderful music and birds with us.

The gals in Ensenada who took us around on the hunt for the elusive naciementos and the wonderful tamales her friend made!

The great chef in Guerro Negro who prepared sea food for the gods, lion paw scallops!

Shari, Juan and Serina, whose generosity and love are etched in our hearts and minds along with the 50lb yellowtail, lobsters that stuffed me to the gills, and drive byes by Serina to see if we needed anything. Did I mention home made flour tortillas?

Laundry returned to us in Asuncion that was cleaner and brighter than new! True story!

Buenos Dias, Buenos Tardes, Buenos Noches from EVERYONE! People taking the time to interact and to share experiences.

The gal at the desk at Estero Beach who remembered our name and inquired as to our health months after first staying there.

Did I mention fishing with Juan?

Did I mention enjoying Diver and his lovely family? or Birdog and his wonderful wife? Jorge and plates of sea food and birthday cake? La Vida

Wading pangueros pushing out our boat so Shari could introduce us to the whales!

Comitan and his lovely wife hosting a Super Bowl party and hosting us as well! What wonderful generosity and warmth from a fellow Nomad! A great trip to a special beach and great stories!

Boondocking along the Pacific and watching surfers being blown off the tops of five foot waves! Splayed like flying squirels high above the surf!

Did I mention fish tacos?

Iflyfish

Mexitron - 7-15-2008 at 07:13 PM

The kindness of strangers, those who give even though they have little, the desert, the plants and animals, the roads untravelled, a good drunken afternoon with a rancher in the outback or with a fisherman on some lonely coast, the ocean, the ocean, and the ocean.

bacquito - 7-15-2008 at 07:24 PM

Yes, thanks for an uplifting thread. I like the Mexican family. My wife, Alicia, has her family scattered from Mexicalli to DF. Some times they disagree but they can always stick tiogether.
In the few times I have traveled Baja, I have enjoyed the scenery such as the Cirio and Elephant trees.
I intend to do more traveling and enjoy Baja -a great place.

k-rico - 7-15-2008 at 08:34 PM

Anybody that watches Mexican TV knows that sexy young women are treasured and those that have it flaunt it, even the female news anchors.

Mexico is without puritanical influence and that is wonderful.

This comment will probably be frowned upon by some, but I bet those that find it distasteful are all Americans.

que rico :spingrin:

Sparetimewanted - 7-15-2008 at 09:57 PM

Was 17 and driving at night with two friends in 1977, on the dirt road between San Felipe and Puertacitos. Got stuck in the sand after not seeing another car for over an hour. Few minutes pass and we were getting nervous being baja rookies and having no clue. Along comes a local with 3-4 guys in the back of a truck. I don't think we even had to say anything except thank you and they had us out of the sand in minutes.

You can also cast a jig from a beach and catch huge fish.

Great topic for a post Shari.

BajaKeela - 7-15-2008 at 10:13 PM

I too am enamored with Baja ..Very eloquently put everybody!!!!Thanks Shari for reminding us of the beauty in people themselves.

bajasol - 7-15-2008 at 10:34 PM

two words: Green Angels Angeles Verdes (four words)

Skeet/Loreto - 7-16-2008 at 03:53 AM

I could write a Book if I could spell! Great Thread

First and Foremost: The time my lovely Wife had a severe Stomach Ache in Loreto{Just a Clinic at that time}told it was from overeating the nite before at Domingos.[Our Anniversiry}. She became worse, took her 90 miles to the General Hospital headed by Dr. Rene Hibiff on Sunday, I went to get the results of the Blood Test, when I came back the Doctors were wheeling her into Surgery>
I suggested that she should go on to La Paz.

I was told that she only had about 4 Hours to Live by Dr. Moralies. They operated on a Sunday Afternoon, saved her Life, she was released 7 days later and the total Bill was $61 Dollars!!!

Became Frieds with all employees who let me sleep in the Room with my Wife and help Take care of Her . What Compassion!!

Later started "Warm Jackets for Cold Kids" in the Constitution Area where the Social Worker would take the jackets to the very Poor and cold Kids.
I have never met so wonderful and compassionate People{Guess that is why I stayed 38 years.

Watching the Kids come out of Cardboard Shacks witha a Smile on their Face, Clean Clothes and headed for School. Lovin every minute of the Day.

Meeting Little Juan and his sister at the Dump Yard in Loreto where they spent their Mornings picking up Cans to be sold for their Familes to buy Propane!!

Mundo helping me build Rancho Sonrisa- Mundo who as a Young Man worked in the Salt Mines at Carmen Isla for 8 Pesos a Day, sholveling 17 Tons of Salt, Always with a smile on his Face, a generous Heart and a great desire to Gossip!

I could go on for Days!

The People, The Smiles, the Working, all Positive attitude from People who had only their selves and a Cardboard Shack, but they had happiness!!

Skeeter or also known as "Mosco" Casa con Mucho Mujeres"

Capt. George - 7-16-2008 at 04:32 AM

Gracias Ralph

my next door neighbors, Pancho and Pancha, I will see them soon! Getting home late because of my back. Our phone and electric kept up by our neighbors and friend...Plants watered cause they know Deborah loves green things...and on and on

My 10 yr old fishing partner Aberto (Corozon de Lion), crying as I leave town, my tears not far behind....Six hours in the clinica with avirus, 2 bags of intrevenus, my friends visiting and worried about Vikingo...The nurse Deda in and out of the room, the doctor checking every hour...

Released feeling great, and how much says I? Nada Vikingo, vamose!

The more I'm in the state, the more I think about living full time in Abreojos and come here to visit.....It is what the U.S. must have been like decades ago.

Viva Baja!

Timo1 - 7-16-2008 at 05:41 AM

Getting a knock on the door at 6:30 am and asked if Iwould
share a fishing trip that day (never will forget that Zac) and
having a GREAT day with Zac
and Juan
The invitation Christmas morning for a bowl of Pisole and side of lobster
at a local family's house
The party the night before
Being shown by a very man how to properly bait my hook while beach fishing
The look of pure pleasure, when I hook a huge YT, on Juan's face
and of course.....The people....and the never-ending welcome

Timo1 - 7-16-2008 at 05:43 AM

oooops....very YOUNG man
:lol:

making magic

woody with a view - 7-16-2008 at 06:08 AM

Bia's near religious experience. man, was she on a cloud for a couple of days.

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Barbareno - 7-16-2008 at 06:28 AM

Can't believe you folks forgot this one as I am sure I am not the only one who has enjoyed it.

And that is walking with your dog along the beach with a cold beverage in your travel mug. Miles and miles of being alone. No houses, no people, just you and your bird chasing dog. You start to hum a song. You sing a little louder. Look around, no one is anywhere near and then you really belt er out. Sing for all your worth. Barbra Striesand and Julie Andrew's would be proud. Singing at the top of your lungs.

:biggrin:

Barb

Alan - 7-16-2008 at 06:34 AM

I love the lack of lawyers! If something unfortunate happens to you it isn't just presumptive that someone else MUST be at fault and forced to pay for your inconvenience.

People here are still responsible for their own actions and decisions and so they act accordingly. If you trip over a crack in the sidewalk you can look squarely at yourself and say "Watch where you are walking, Dumb A#*! Rather than "I'm going to sue the city or store owner for not maintaining this walkway". They know they live in a very harsh environment and everyone works together to overcome every obstacle it presents.

In 40 years of traveling the peninsula I've had so many memorable interactions with so many people I couldn't even begin to try to list even a fraction of them.

My greatest fear is the rising drug problem on the peninsula. It doesn't take very much to drive people into their homes and shutoff interactions with strangers, to drive by that disabled vehicle on that remote section of highway because it MIGHT be a setup.

Thank you shari for starting this post and reminding each of us how special Baja can be and why each of us started our own love affair with this place.

'The Baja Feeling'

David K - 7-16-2008 at 07:49 AM

It doesn't get much better than this...

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k-rico - 7-16-2008 at 08:07 AM

The Baja California peninsula is a beautiful place! Even with the recent spurt in development there is still close to 2000 miles of pristine coastline, a mountain range, and both barren and beautiful deserts with an occasional oasis.

I too appreciate this thread. Recently there has been a single member of this message board seemingly dead set on daily postings of bad news resulting from the illegal drug trade. If I may speak for others, I think we're all well aware of this. And speaking for myself, I find the posts depressing.

May I suggest that nobody responds to Fulano's posts so they fall into the abyss. I'm not saying ignore the truth of the situation, I'm just saying let that type of news stay on the million other websites where it exists today.

Also, let's not discuss my suggestion, either follow it or not, your choice, of course.

[Edited on 7-16-2008 by k-rico]

wsdunc - 7-16-2008 at 12:04 PM

I feel all these good things.
I expect the not so good things in the "Baja is different" threads are mostly real, but I don't care. I don't feel them, fear them, or dwell on them. Baja makes me feel good.

fandango - 7-16-2008 at 12:33 PM

by Ken Bondy: " I love Baja dearly and am sad that I may never see it again. Just memories now. Glad I took lots of pictures "

why aren't you going to return to such a beautiful place?

Full steam ahead -- don't stop for the Bandidos.

Lee - 7-16-2008 at 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by k-rico
May I suggest that nobody responds to Fulano's posts so they fall into the abyss. I'm not saying ignore the truth of the situation, I'm just saying let that type of news stay on the million other websites where it exists today.

Also, let's not discuss my suggestion, either follow it or not, your choice, of course.

[Edited on 7-16-2008 by k-rico]

YOU have the right to post ANYTHING you wish about Baja -- good, bad and ugly (and within the Rules and Guidelines of the Nomad Forum). So, why does fulano need to be censored to only writing and posting good things?

And, you ''find the posts depressing?''

DON"T READ THEM!

Personally, I skip over that stuff -- the negative stuff is generally TRUE -- drugs, killings, crime -- and if you can't handle it, that might be your problem -- not fulano's.

Geeze.

(For the record, I see Baja more the way Diane sees things. I block out alot, ignore the rest, and have eyes in the back of my head -- healthy paranoia -- hope for the best, expect the worst.)

palmeto99 - 7-16-2008 at 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by k-rico
The Baja California peninsula is a beautiful place! Even with the recent spurt in development there is still close to 2000 miles of pristine coastline, a mountain range, and both barren and beautiful deserts with an occasional oasis.

I too appreciate this thread. Recently there has been a single member of this message board seemingly dead set on daily postings of bad news resulting from the illegal drug trade. If I may speak for others, I think we're all well aware of this. And speaking for myself, I find the posts depressing.

May I suggest that nobody responds to Fulano's posts so they fall into the abyss. I'm not saying ignore the truth of the situation, I'm just saying let that type of news stay on the million other websites where it exists today.

Also, let's not discuss my suggestion, either follow it or not, your choice, of course.

[Edited on 7-16-2008 by k-rico]

Yes, Lets stick our heads in the sand and pretend Mexico is not in a war with the cartels. If we pretend it is not there, the bad,bad men will go away. Lets also invite the terrorists in the middle east to a peace forum and end this war on terror for good. No swords or sharp instruments allowed please.(just in case) Where are you from.?
San Francisco... :coolup:

BajaGringo - 7-16-2008 at 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by palmeto99
Yes, Lets stick our heads in the sand and pretend Mexico is not in a war with the cartels. If we pretend it is not there, the bad,bad men will go away. Lets also invite the terrorists in the middle east to a peace forum and end this war on terror for good. No swords or sharp instruments allowed please.(just in case) Where are you from.?
San Francisco... :coolup:

I think this is a perfect example of what separates us on the subject. Nobody here is advocating (or at least I missed that post) that we "stick our heads in the sand" or "pretend a problem is not there".

As I posted in another thread, I think that being informed is a good thing so that Nomads as well as lurkers reading the forum have a balanced idea of what the reality of life and travel on the Baja peninsula is like.

All I ask is that we don't convert BN into "All the Negative News that Can be Found Anywhere on the Internet Forum". Lately that seems to be the direction where we are going. Maybe some of you were actually drawn to the forum for reading just those kind of posts. Personally, I was not.

I hoped to find a balance of news along with stories about life, travel, living, climate, fishing, adapting and resources for those of us who enjoy spending time and in my case living in this little part of the world for several years. It is a great place to meet and share stories and photos as well as news that is important and that which may directly affect the quality of our lives, whether it be as tourists or residents.

I have made several connections with new friends here and some who I have yet to meet in person. Here on BN it gives me a chance to keep connected with them and I enjoy the forum that Doug has given us to do so. All I ask is that we find a way to keep a sense of balance. Where we disagree I ask that we try to do so in a civil way without resorting to insults or personal attacks. I am committed to do so on my end and ask others here to join me.

The other road is to allow this forum to fall into the trap where endless other forums have died via flaming wars and that is something I just find boring. That is the quickest way to kill off a forum such as this. I think we are better than that and Baja deserves better. I say we find middle road where we can stay informed, safe, entertained and enjoyable for all.

What do you say to that?

Barry A. - 7-16-2008 at 03:53 PM

Amen Baja Gringo!!!!!

Barry

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-16-2008 at 03:56 PM

I agree with BajaGringo’s assessment of the situation and also pledge to be civil and respectful to others even if I disagree with them.

Bajagypsy - 7-16-2008 at 05:08 PM

Having made such wonderful friends that are more like family than friends. Shari and Juan, what we would do without you I have no idea, we would NEVER, have our dream lot, or the experiences you and our other Baja friends have given us.

redmesa - 7-16-2008 at 05:26 PM

Almost everything is right about Baja!

fulano - 7-16-2008 at 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo

All I ask is that we don't convert BN into "All the Negative News that Can be Found Anywhere on the Internet Forum". Lately that seems to be the direction where we are going. .

What do you say to that?

Why aren't you posting the good news, Ron? All you've been doing is following the parade down the street and dodging the elephant poop. Get out in front and lead. You have the same power I have. You can post too. On that same note, why isn't everybody who is whining about my posts out there posting the good news?

When people complain about MY posts, yet cannot find anything good to post, that is just another way of trying to "control the message", n'est ce pas?

On another note, has everybody noticed now many new posters have been showing up recently who said they have been lurking for a long time? It seems to me, at least, that elevating the dialogue beyond "Who has the best fish tacos" has drawn in many more people to this message board.

palmeto99 - 7-16-2008 at 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fulano

Quote:

I could not agree more. Post something positive as I have been looking as well and I am having trouble finding anything positive .
Maybe someone out there can do the digging. :cool:

BajaGringo - 7-16-2008 at 06:34 PM

Fulano / Nancy:

My point is that it doesn't all have to be about "news", good or bad. I get plenty of "news" all day and I come to Baja Nomad to enjoy the company of friends who share an interest in Baja. We all have different viewpoints, experiences, perspectives and opinions. I am not trying to "control" any message. There is benefit to be had from news and I will say it again, I think it is good for us to be up on what is happening. All of us have benefited from the news and alerts posted here on some level.

All I ask is that we don't make posting news articles the primary and sole purpose of BN. Personally, I find it boring after awhile. Reading other comments I am not alone.

My opinion matters little here and the forum will go where it goes no matter what either of us think Nancy. I am just sharing my dos centavos in an attempt to suggest some moderation and civility to a forum I have really enjoyed with some great folks up until now.

I'll let you have the last word...

fulano - 7-16-2008 at 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo
Fulano / Nancy:

All I ask is that we don't make posting news articles the primary and sole purpose of BN. Personally, I find it boring after awhile. Reading other comments I am not alone.

I'll let you have the last word...

Fulano's last word:

Ron, there are 40 forums on BN. I only post on about 4 (10%) of them. So maybe you need to explain to us all how you think "news" becomes the sole purpose of BN? What are the other 36 forums about? Fish tacos?

redmesa - 7-16-2008 at 07:02 PM

I do not get it??

CaboRon - 7-16-2008 at 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by k-rico

May I suggest that nobody responds to Fulano's posts so they fall into the abyss.

[Edited on 7-16-2008 by k-rico]

The is an open forum k-rico .....

We will respond to whatever we want.....

The only one who can censure posts is Mr. Means and his appointed moderators...

Go stuff it .....

CaboRon

shari - 7-16-2008 at 07:10 PM

some of us have tried to post positive baja stories but then we get dissed and insulted by the newscasters...accused of sticking our head in the sand. I'm WELL aware of the bad things about Baja, I've lived here nearly 20 years and could tell ya some doozies...but I won't...they are personal and not to be tossed around the internet...but I'm still here and love it more than I did when I was young and naive.
Fulano/Nancy et al....OK....truce...I will grin and bear your bad news with grace but PLEASE PLEASE just stop insulting people....it's really maddening. We don't all have time to search the net for bad news nor do we want to...so thanks for informing us but just try to be nice of "the others".

guadalupe - 7-16-2008 at 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo
Fulano / Nancy:

Fulano is a woman named Nancy? Am I missing something?

You may only post in 4 sections but in the time I have been here I seem to see more of your constant posts about the same thing over and over than much else sometimes.

I am curious, what is your experience with Baja? Do you live in Baja now? If so, why? If not, why not?

Are you a man or woman?

redmesa - 7-16-2008 at 07:16 PM

Hmmm!

fulano - 7-16-2008 at 07:37 PM

Somebody else doesn't LIKE me:

"Subject: not only are you depressing
From: k-rico
To: fulano
Folder: Inbox
Sent: at 7-17-2008 at 02:14 AM

you're ugly too!

http://www.ensenada.com/interviews/nancy.jpg

go away please. Further than Ramona."

palmeto99 - 7-16-2008 at 07:47 PM

Ouch, Thats going to leave a mark.. :lol:

fulano - 7-16-2008 at 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
Fulano/Nancy et al....OK....truce...I will grin and bear your bad news with grace but PLEASE PLEASE just stop insulting people....it's really maddening. We don't all have time to search the net for bad news nor do we want to...so thanks for informing us but just try to be nice of "the others".

Shari, you were starting to get the idea. You started that thread about "nice things in Baja" and I didn't rain on your parade. And please reread my posts some other day when you are calmer. You will find that I do not draw first blood. I gave everybody a chance to show where I was the one who picked a fight and they could not. It turned out that it was one of your long-term Nomads who started with the obscenities.

You are emotional...your posts are passionate...there is nothing especially wrong with that. You are a woman, you speak from the heart. (I'm not being macho -- we all need the ying to balance the yang).

Calmate muchacha, piense mas y sea tranquilo.

fulano - 7-16-2008 at 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by palmeto99
Ouch, Thats going to leave a mark.. :lol:

I was thinking we should rename him "k-podrido".

CaboRon - 7-16-2008 at 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fulano
Somebody else doesn't LIKE me:

"Subject: not only are you depressing
From: k-rico
To: fulano
Folder: Inbox
Sent: at 7-17-2008 at 02:14 AM

you're ugly too!

http://www.ensenada.com/interviews/nancy.jpg

go away please. Further than Ramona."

k-rico is a jerk,

Sending emails at two in the morning saying you are ugly ? and you should go away .... is that the best he can do ?? .... maybe needs to go to creativity and imagination school.

Typical of persons who respond emotionally without any thought before putting foot firmly in mouth.

:lol:

CaboRon

guadalupe - 7-16-2008 at 08:12 PM

So Fulano is the same Nancy from the gringo gazette?

This is you Fulano???

Why do you pretend to be a man and why are you insulting women? I do not understand you. Calling Mexican women by such an ugly name is insulting and I would think that as a woman and as someone in journalism you would not sink so low. What did these poor women do to you?

palmeto99 - 7-16-2008 at 08:15 PM

I think I will pull a chair and just watch this one..

guadalupe - 7-16-2008 at 08:17 PM

I don't know how to change the picture size. I used the link from another post here. How do I do it?

BAJACAT - 7-16-2008 at 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by palmeto99
I think I will pull a chair and just watch this one..

Quote:

Me too palmeto99

Alan - 7-16-2008 at 10:00 PM

How does such a positive post go south so fast?

Iflyfish - 7-16-2008 at 10:52 PM

One of the things I love about Baja in the Baja Nomad Forum! No one can say that it is without relevant information and lots of passion! I have met some amazing people on this forum and made some life long friends. I have read some amazing writing and I feel safer traveling in Baja with the knowledge I have gathered from this forum. Have you seen the amazing photos posted on this site? Read the wonderful recipes?

Did I mention that the food in Baja?? Did I mention the stars that go from horizon to horizon on the remote beaches? Did I mention the phosphorescent red tide and the fireworks set off by darting fish? Did I mention the schools of dolphins that chase the bow of the boat, spin and leap into the air?

Ah, Baja!

Iflyfish

Skipjack Joe - 7-16-2008 at 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alan
How does such a positive post go south so fast?

Because HoseA is no longer moderating this website. And posters are aware of that.

Sharksbaja - 7-16-2008 at 11:42 PM

Yeah, let's keep the sweet from the sour. I appreciate Baja for so many of the reasons mentioned above. Thanks for the reminder!

guadalupe - 7-17-2008 at 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grover

http://forums.bajanomad.com/faq.php?page=misc#1

You use an image tag like this:

[ img=***x*** ]pic URL[ /img ]

measured in pixels; without the spaces. It's under "Resized Image" in that FAQ.

Thank you grover. I guess it is ok now.

guadalupe - 7-17-2008 at 01:08 AM

I read your reply Fulano but I did not hear a denial. Are you embarrassed by your photo? You are not an unattractive woman as someone else suggested. I just don't understand why you are so degrading to other women.

Capt. George - 7-17-2008 at 03:45 AM

Fulano

Calling Ralph and my neighbors dykes? I've been holding my tongue simply because this has been such a pleasant post, up until "you"..

What was the necessity of you even entering this particular post? Did you read the heading? Why don't you return to whatever other sites you were asked to leave.

Come visit me in Abreojos, the pangeros need some rotten shark bait. And I don't think you're a woman, they're usually not that foul.

Capt. George

mariposajim - 7-17-2008 at 04:42 AM

1)As a child, listening to ray cannon bs about 200# snook in the rio mulege.
2) Seeing the picture of my deceased father on the rancho buena vista bulletin board.
3) Traveling the length of baja before the highway.
4) Catching a large yellowtail with a hand line.
5) Taking the ferry from la paz to the mainland.
6) Riding on the back of a manta ray.
7) Discovering that lime is the cure for almost any malady.
8) Mexican combination dinners with lots of beer.

Skeet/Loreto - 7-17-2008 at 03:05 PM

Fulano: Guess we got Deleted:

You are still evading the Question:
Where were you Raised?
Were you Poor or Rich?
What Hi School did you Attend?
What college/University?
What was your Major?
Did you work through College/or rich parents send you?
What was your first Job out of College?

You mentioned in one opf your post "a Mason Organization"

What do you mean? Please Explain?

I too have been with the Mexicano People, I too have studied their Cultura. I cannot agree in you Theories about the Causes nor can I agree that you can change the Mexicano People to be similar to the Americans/Candaians.

You can Blame, Attack, Protest, /scare Most of the People sometime but Not all the People all the time.

So Step up to the Plate I would love to compare experience and Book Learnin with You!

Skeet/Loreto
38 years in Baja Sur-with the People!

CaboRon - 7-17-2008 at 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Fulano: Guess we got Deleted:

You are still evading the Question:
Where were you Raised?
Were you Poor or Rich?
What Hi School did you Attend?
What college/University?
What was your Major?
Did you work through College/or rich parents send you?
What was your first Job out of College?

You mentioned in one opf your post "a Mason Organization"

What do you mean? Please Explain?

I too have been with the Mexicano People, I too have studied their Cultura. I cannot agree in you Theories about the Causes nor can I agree that you can change the Mexicano People to be similar to the Americans/Candaians.

You can Blame, Attack, Protest, /scare Most of the People sometime but Not all the People all the time.

So Step up to the Plate I would love to compare experience and Book Learnin with You!

Skeet/Loreto
38 years in Baja Sur-with the People!

Why would anyone answer your question ???? Most of that information is none of your business and has hothing to do with Baja Sur.

By the way I don't think you currently live in Baja Sur either...

So, if you want the curriculam vitae, let's start with yours ...

And what the hell is "book learnin" ?

Most education encompases much more than books, it also is argumentation and debate, critical thinking, research techniques, and all of the tools of your major and minor course program.

You post first, and try and get the spelling at least in the ballpark :lol:

CaboRon

fulano - 7-17-2008 at 03:44 PM

Quote:

You sure are a curious person. Anwers in bold

quote]Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Fulano: Guess we got Deleted:

You are still evading the Question:
Where were you Raised? Los Angeles
Were you Poor or Rich?middle-class
What Hi School did you Attend?as if that really matters?
What college/University? CSULA and UCLA MBA
What was your Major?business
Did you work through College/or rich parents send you?worked and GI Bill
What was your first Job out of College?accounting

You mentioned in one opf your post "a Mason Organization"

What do you mean? Please Explain?Never heard of that

I too have been with the Mexicano People, I too have studied their Cultura. I cannot agree in you Theories about the Causes nor can I agree that you can change the Mexicano People to be similar to the Americans/Candaians.Not once, in any post of mine have I ever suggested we change the Mexican people, or even make them more 'Amercan'. If they want to change, that is up to them. Mexico is a sovereign nation (for the time being, anyway). I don't tell them how to live any more than I would want them telling Americans how to live. I have openly and freely described my perceptions of Mexico and its people, and what I believe has to change for Mexico to achieve the very goals that Mexicans have set for themselves. I read their political speeches. They are Mexico's goals - not mine. In the end Mexico is going to do what it wants to do. It worries me to no end that Mexico is currently not safe -- for Americans and Mexicans -- and that the Mexican government, as it stands today, is not capable of protecting its own people or tourists who visit there. There a many people who either have a vested financial interest in tourism or for other personal selfish reasons want to "beckon" people down there. They hate my guts. Just the other day, I told Ferna on this message board -- right before he went ballistic on me -- that the tourists will return to Mexico when Mexico gives them a reason to return.

You can Blame, Attack, Protest, /scare Most of the People sometime but Not all the People all the time.Abraham Lincoln just turned over in his grave with that butchering of his speech.

So Step up to the Plate I would love to compare experience and Book Learnin with You!

Skeet/Loreto
38 years in Baja Sur-with the People! 61 años en el EEUU con el pueblo. Creo que yo tiene mas años con el gente en los EEUU que tu.

My blood type is O positive. That's the only thing you didn't ask.
:rolleyes:

fulano - 7-17-2008 at 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboRon
Why would anyone answer your question ???? Most of that information is none of your business and has hothing to do with Baja Sur.

That's OK cabo, I answered his questions because they were useless information. He wasn't smart enough to ask the right questions. Now he has a lot of useless information. Where is he going to go with it?

[Edited on 7-17-2008 by fulano]

palmeto99 - 7-17-2008 at 07:18 PM

The natives that have been on this board for years are having trouble with the new posters as we are not happy with the taco reports we have been getting. Some of us are interested in info that helps us in regards to our investments and long term well being in Baja. This is the new Mexico and get used to it. We are looking for the whisle blowers who will make our lives more predictible when dealing with this country that seduced us and might let us down.. :cool:

danaeb - 7-17-2008 at 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by palmeto99
Some of us are interested in info that helps us in regards to our investments and long term well being in Baja. This is the new Mexico and get used to it. We are looking for the whisle blowers who will make our lives more predictible when dealing with this country that seduced us and might let us down.. :cool:

I think your guy would be gnukid.....

CaboRon - 7-17-2008 at 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alan
How does such a positive post go south so fast?

It is all about the dynamic interaction between hotheads :rolleyes:

[Edited on 7-18-2008 by CaboRon]

palmeto99 - 7-17-2008 at 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by danaeb

Quote:

I think your guy would be gnukid.....

While I respect Gnukid and his slant on things Baja , I am more interested in real time info and reports from all parts of Baja that might help us in our dealings and visits at any given time. Thanks for your valued input though as it was most (helpful) :cool:

Skip_Mac - 7-17-2008 at 08:28 PM

Sad, sad...so many good and caring people with helpful motives, hijacked by a trio of flame baiters led by the F-ano. I feel really bad that this otherwise valuable forum for a supportive community...gets diverted and polluted by persistent flaming and the resulting emotional (a planned consequence which perversely reinforces the flamers).

I love many aspects of my trips to the various parts of Baja. I love the cooperative and helpful attitude of the locals and many travellers as well (Sheri..did Mary tell you that we had a blow out on the way back from BoLA after visiting you in G N so many years ago...

Mary always depended on AAA..so had no jack or tire tools (and I never thought to check..I always traveled with two jacks, two spares, fix-a-flat and food and water as a geologist...it's the assumptions that come back to bite you) anyway, who stops but a fully equipped anglo part time resident who stopped and offered all possible help and a few special places to stay/visit on the way back. I don't even remember his name..but he helped a couple in a tan Landcruiser FJ-60 on the road to B o LA, while on his way to pick up a kayaker for a friend.

Oh and Antonio at the Turtle rescue, my mother remembered him from a grad school class trip to Baja a decade before... I found out as I related the stories about him to her later. We dissected an oar fish which washed up at La Gringaa (the guy was completely empty!) may have starved for some reason.

Antonio buried it in the compound so as to be able to recover the skeleton. I recall it was about 14 feet long. Mary made sketches while I did measurements and dissection. Oh and the party after at Antonio's.. beer beef and fish...Many exceptional people from walks of life strange to me (I felt intimidated and was pretty quite...Mary is always Bubbly in a group)..

That's some of what makes Baja Special. Flame baiting, angry or disappointed people (who's beer is always warm and empty..or who choose to pee in their own corn flakes...and everyone else's)...don't impress me as what Baja is all about.

Yeah, We have has stuff stolen from the car in Peueto Nueve..been "over"charged (a very RELATIVE concept... but, Since My Beer is always full and cold, and I will thrash anyone who tries to pee in my cornflakes...I agree with Capt George. Flame baiting has no constructive place on these comments. It destroys not builds a community spirit. Tolerance must HAVE LIMITS.

I am not a therapist and people who wish to expose their need for therapy...should be directed to it, Not Here..to victimize the rest of us.

I'ae had my rant. My Opinion and my feeling are MY OWN.. If you choose to disagree, so what? Do I Live for you?

Skeet/Loreto - 7-18-2008 at 04:54 AM

Fulano: You Tried but failed .

Book Learnin is that stuff you get from reading Books! Experience is that stuff you get from interacting with People! I am surprised that a College Graduate under the GI> Bill did not learn that womewhere along the Way.?

Now if it is not too much trouble, where have you been in Baja Sur that is Not Safe?//
I just came back from a Trip to Mulege and was there when the Bandits stole the 206 at gunpoint.

It did not Scare me!. Does it Scare You??
Stayed in Loreto at a Mexican Hotel, not a Tourist Hotel.
I did not observe anything to SCARE Me!!

Maybe because of my Background and Experience in Baja Sur , South Central La, East La, Oakland, San Francisco, and my Book Learnin the Past 77 years have taught Respect for my Fellowman.

What happened to make you Hate so Much? I do pity You. May God Bless you and Forgive you!

Skeet/Loreto

Anon The Preacher

1000lbBlue - 7-18-2008 at 11:24 AM

Amongst reading a bunch of crap fighting and seeing some awsome photos and great stories nobody really highlighted the camping! When you have a house i can see how that can be your destination or your true home but what about the camping?!?! I have been on many a trip and nothing is better than waking up with the sun and making coffee in the middle of the desert and then loading the rig and heading to the coast. So much true desolation you can get to and swim in the ocean or the sea with just you and your friends/family. I have had so many wonderful times out there. How about the stars at night when you are miles from nowhere? Catching breakfast, dinner and lunch. Long walks in canyons and the rarely found rock art. Mescal and bellenas for those of you who drink. Clean air and of course the cactus. Surfing long right points. How about helping another traveler of any orgin out? Off roading... I mean the best part of baja is the nature and changing climates and the fact that the people who live there are more than willing to let us come in and enjoy it. Some of you must be really bored to fight about nothing. Who cares anyway?

HoseA HoseA HoseA

sylens - 7-18-2008 at 11:35 AM

i miss you and your excellent moderating

hope you are well and even enjoying yourself and your lovely family

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-18-2008 at 11:40 AM

Sharksbaja - 7-18-2008 at 11:45 AM

I care! Not only do I enjoy the visits to our place in Mulege, I always venture out to camp and explore, meet new folks while there.
Afterall, it's a fun place to be.

fulano - 7-18-2008 at 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Fulano: You Tried but failed .

Book Learnin is that stuff you get from reading Books! Experience is that stuff you get from interacting with People! I am surprised that a College Graduate under the GI> Bill did not learn that womewhere along the Way.?

What is it in your life that leads you to believe that book learning and learning from experience are mutually exclusive? Can't someone have book learning and also have a rich experience from interacting with people?

Can you explain to all of us on BN what facts have come to your attention to indicate there is only one true path to enlightenment?

[Edited on 7-18-2008 by fulano]

Skeet/Loreto - 7-18-2008 at 01:55 PM

The sum toltal of any human is the combination of his Life Experiences and his Book Learning. Nowdays there are many who have only Experiences in Life, then there are others who have only been to Colleges and universities where they are Taught by People who only have Book Learnin.

Enlightment is in the Mind and Body of each one of us as far as I am concerned:

Facts for me :Exercise your own Free Will and Accord!

Controll your Desires and keep your Passion within Due Bounds!

You can very easy check my Resume as I have posted it several Times. I cannot Trust or Beleive any Poster who is Afraid or Ashamed to Post His/Her Life Experiences.

That being said you and I could never have a reasonable discussion about anything.
I do not Trust what you have Posted, I think it is in Bad Taste, disrepectfull, mean, and uncalled for.

No more so called discussion about your ideas of Baja.

Skeet/Loreto

eetdrt88 - 7-18-2008 at 02:03 PM

i spent last christmas camping with my girl at my favorite beach in baja and didnt see another soul the whole week we were there...talk about things going right,it was total bliss :yes:

Martyman - 7-18-2008 at 03:27 PM

Blah blah blah...
Are a few people posting?
Good thing I have this wheel on my mouse so when I see certain posts I blow right past their worthless drivel.

Baja
How about some heavy hangin' on the beach and adventures just happening in front of you!!
*Thousands of squid wash up on the beach-you grab a live one and cook it, the seagulls come in and the beach is clean in an hour.
*Tahm is stacking rocks again
*there's a bunch of dolphins
*making music around the fire (even though Ned called it lesbo rock!)
*here come the frigate birds
*laughin' and telling stories
*following the shade of your portable cabana
I miss baja