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Take-Down in Los Barriles

ArroyoTaxi - 7-23-2008 at 09:26 AM

Here is a link to a story from today's Vancouver Sun - it's regarding the arrest of a drug kingpin at the hot dog stand in Los Barriles last March. Looks like a canadian dude may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time...
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story....

Baja&Back - 7-23-2008 at 10:23 AM

Weird! We met that couple at Rice & Beans. They were looking to move to Baja with no papers & no idea of what where or how. We gave them a Baja map so they wouldn't get lost with their 2 small kids. We suggested Los Barriles as a good spot to settle.
He said he had been a general contractor in Vancouver & made lots of money flipping houses, but seemed a fast talker to me.

Too bad for the wife & kids.

gnukid - 7-23-2008 at 11:13 AM

Pictures
http://www.narcoticnews.com/Cocaine/2008/Mar/Cocaine_2008_Ma...

Statement from embassy
http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/eng/releases/ep080312Arellan...

I always say innocent until proven guilty

CaboRon - 7-23-2008 at 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Pictures
http://www.narcoticnews.com/Cocaine/2008/Mar/Cocaine_2008_Ma...

Statement from embassy
http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/eng/releases/ep080312Arellan...

I always say innocent until proven guilty

In Mexico you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent,

Basic tenant of Napolionic system of injustice...

Even in the US, you can't hang out with criminals or you will become a part of their movie.

CaboRon

fulano - 7-23-2008 at 12:33 PM

After the Brenda Martin incident, all this does is convince Canadians to stay out of Mexico.

rdrrm8e - 7-23-2008 at 12:39 PM

without knowing the details...it looks like it would be unwise for a gringo to sit next to any occupied table at a restaurant, or eat "Family Style", or chat with any strangers, or buy a beer for a stranger in Baja

gnukid - 7-23-2008 at 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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Also related to this case is the recent suspension of extradition of Benjamin Arellano Félix to the United States

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20080718-0713-1bo1...

Regarding Napoleanic law in Mexico and presumed innocence, in 2008 Calderon has signed an amendment to the Constitution to move toward "innocent until proven guilty" law system allowing oral testimony and cross examination in court.

A Mexican version of the patriot law amendment was defeated in the process. The transition is in place and will take up to 8 years however we can state Napoleanic Guilty until proven innocent is no longer the law on the books in Mexico, Today.

http://mexfiles.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/napoleon-will-be-sp...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080618/news_1n18me...

We used to have law of presumed innocence in the USA where as a writ of habeus corpus-- or 'you have the body' what is the charge, could be demanded of the courts. But USA no longer abides by this under Bush's executive orders and now we have thousands of people including citizens held without charges or evidence, some for as much as 7 years under torture, as well spying without warrants or evidence of cause but that is being looked at in by the court in a challenge case by the ACLU.

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43270

So it seems that an alignment (and also a disruption of rule of law) across North America is in place as part of the North American Union agreement known as the Security Prosperity Pact signed by Vincente Fox, Bush and the then Prime Minister of Canada. In 2007 the SPP was reinforced by Calderon, Bush and PM Harper.

http://spp.gov/

[Edited on 7-23-2008 by gnukid]

fulano - 7-23-2008 at 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
In Mexico you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent,

Basic tenant of Napolionic system of injustice...

That's true, but whether it is that way or the "innocent until proven guilty" way of North America is not really relevant. In the US or Canada, basic civil liberties give the person arrested a right to an arraignment within just a few days and a chance to post bail. Even a person arrested in the company of a drug lord in the US, if he had no priors and was not found with anything illegal on his person, would make bail in 72 hours, max.

In Mexico, one just sits in jail while people push papers back and forth for months and years. It's really a basic civil rights issue...not a Napoleonic Law issue.

Baja&Back - 7-23-2008 at 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by fulano
That's true, but whether it is that way or the "innocent until proven guilty" way of North America is not really relevant. In the US or Canada, basic civil liberties give the person arrested a right to an arraignment within just a few days and a chance to post bail.

Apparently you missed gnukid's excellent post just before yours.

Ever heard about the US prison in Guantanamo???

palmeto99 - 7-23-2008 at 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by Baja&Back

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Apparently you missed gnukid's excellent post just before yours.

Ever heard about the US prison in Guantanamo???

You have got to be kidding me......... :cool:

Skip_Mac - 7-24-2008 at 06:38 AM

Too bad this thread is dominated by the flamers which I no longer choose to read. Since hate speech, flaming and aggressive negativity is tolerated, I just bail out of threads dominated by the whining losers. Just FYI you won't hear from me again on the hate spam threads. I will just go elsewhere.

Bajabus - 7-24-2008 at 07:33 AM

fulano and palmetto, become informed.....the civil liberties you once took for granted are no longer there and we are continuing a long slippery slide down a steep slope.