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Anti-Mexico Reports and Canadians??

MexicoGringoGuy - 8-3-2008 at 06:25 AM

Just an observation...

During my daily google news search of "mexico" , "Tiuana", Acapulco", etc.. I have noticed alot of negative Mexican views coming from Canadian sources.. I know its coming from all around.. BUT this seems to stand out..

Anyone else noticed this??

Timo1 - 8-3-2008 at 06:54 AM

Can you give an example as I have heard nothing of the sort here

Bob and Susan - 8-3-2008 at 07:33 AM

tony...

you need to post some links

there are LOTS of canadians here EVERY winter when the snows hit
and they LOVE it here

MexicoGringoGuy - 8-3-2008 at 07:44 AM

Listen Folks.. I was making an observation... Thats it.. as to something I Have noticed.. I am NOT saying anything against ANYONE.. Simply saying that in the past year that I have had a reason to look at Mexican related News articles... something has stuck out at me... Not saying that all canadians, or not saying MOST, or anything.. JUST saying I am and Have in the past Noticed it.. (ususally about how ""Dangerous it is"" or Canadians jailed over here and are ""Innocent"" etc etc

No reason for anyone to challenge me.. If you havent noticed it, then just answer.. "NOPE, not noticed it" since that is what I asked..

I know alot of canadians come here! BUT I also know that tourism is down across the board right now... with everyone!! Even in the Winter time i'm sure...

like i said, JUST an observation!


UPDATE..

Maybe its the way I gather my news.. who knows??

[Edited on 8-3-2008 by MexicoGringoGuy]

Bajagypsy - 8-3-2008 at 07:51 AM

I think what MExicoGringoGuy is talking about is there was a case of a lady in a Mexico prison for something like 8 years, for a case that she was innocent of. I know alot of people that we talk to from our province think that we are absolutely crazy, driving down, and must have a death wish to camp on the beach. Those people seem to think that Baja, or Mainland Mexico is like the wild wild west of yesteryear. They only seem to here, about the drug lords, and shootings or the kids on spring break that get in trouble.

The media here (in our province) have over sensionalized what is really going on in Mexico. We always tell people, that you have to travel smart, and keep your eyes open. We will not stop travelling, and still try to get friends and family to come on down and see for themselves what Baja has to offer.

MexicoGringoGuy - 8-3-2008 at 07:55 AM

Yes alot about her.. and also recently about this guy

Canadian Jailed

This is not all I was talking about... BUT some of it...

windgrrl - 8-3-2008 at 08:07 AM

Yes - there are a few stories in the news about Canadians getting into trouble in Mexico (e.g., being co-arrested in Los Barriles with a high-profile criminal, fatally falling off a balcony in Cancun, getting shot to death at a bar outside a bar, being held in a jail and released, etc.).

I don't think the reports reflect negatively on one nationality or another because I think there are just as many stories of any tourists from anywhere either doing stupid human tricks or just getting to the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm not keeping count, but for a while it seemed as though certain nationalities were always getting killed on some sight-seeing tour in Canada. If one looks at who has the wherewithall to travel and where their preferred desitinations are - this might account for the skewed numbers.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

CaboRon - 8-3-2008 at 08:11 AM

I thought the Canadians were being jailed because of a failure to TIP :lol:

Timo1 - 8-3-2008 at 08:15 AM

Our friends that we discuss Mexico with sure are happy for us that we are planning a move to Baja. I can't recall one person here having any worries for our safety. When talking about the jailed Canucks , the attitude seems to be that they must have done something wrong to end up there.
Tony...I didn't mean to put you on the defensive over this...Just that I havn't heard any anti-Mexico or anti-Baja sentiment in our town..As for the news media here..They seem to be just passing on the info that comes from
the US
Hope thats a better explanation for our feelings here
Tim

windgrrl - 8-3-2008 at 08:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaboRon
I thought the Canadians were being jailed because of a failure to TIP :lol:


No those were just trolls posing as Canadians!
:P:tumble:

Triple Z - 8-3-2008 at 08:40 AM

The story of the Canadian woman who was held for years in a Mexican jail, did garner a lot of attention from the media. However, I don't believe there is nearly the amount of anti-Mexican news in Canada as the USA.

DENNIS - 8-3-2008 at 09:13 AM

The imprisoned woman, who would probably still be there had she not threatened suicide, got screwed on the whole thing. One could have thought she was a guest of GW at Guantanamo. Even the principal perpitrator of the crime swore she had nothing to do with anything.
I wonder when her mini-series will be ready?

DianaT - 8-3-2008 at 09:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
tony...

you need to post some links

there are LOTS of canadians here EVERY winter when the snows hit
and they LOVE it here


Camping in the winter in Baja, we used to joke with all of the Canadians. We all decided that BCS actually stood for British Colombia South. :lol:

There is also a huge presense of Canadians on the mainland during the winter --- ones that return EVERY year.

It seems like bad news stories come from everywhere - Canada, US, and Mexico. Haven't noticed more from one place or the other.

And, actually, we hear more from people here in the San Diego area about the "horrors" of Mexico. Many have lived here their entire life and would not cross that border for ANY reason. Their loss.

Interesting

Diane

windgrrl - 8-3-2008 at 09:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
The imprisoned woman, who would probably still be there had she not threatened suicide, got screwed on the whole thing. One could have thought she was a guest of GW at Guantanamo. Even the principal perpitrator of the crime swore she had nothing to do with anything.
I wonder when her mini-series will be ready?


Dennis you are psychic! Check this update:
" She told 680News she has been looking for a book and movie deal in an effort to help pay off her $70,000 legal debt. Martin hopes actresses Winona Ryder or Charlize Theron will be available to take the lead role..."
Source:
http://680news.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20080708_1...

rpleger - 8-3-2008 at 10:00 AM

NOPE...

Bob and Susan - 8-3-2008 at 10:08 AM

actually...down here we've seen an increase in tourism...

go figure

this july as seen the MOST tourist activity in mulege ever

DENNIS - 8-3-2008 at 12:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
actually...down here we've seen an increase in tourism...

go figure

this july as seen the MOST tourist activity in mulege ever


Glad to hear that, Bob. I live on the road to La Bufadora and the traffic has been like the I5 freeway all summer. Never seen it like this. I believe most of it is from here, Mexicali....Ensenada....Etc. but, there are a lot of N. Americans as well.

DENNIS - 8-3-2008 at 12:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by windgrrl

Dennis you are psychic!


Thanks for that, Windgrrl. Most people spell that, "Psycho" but I appreciate your rendition.

Skeet/Loreto - 8-3-2008 at 01:16 PM

Bob and Susan:
Do you think it is Possible that the good Business is related to the Number of Fish showing in Muelge , since April when there were Posts about the Mass of Fish??
As to the Candians; people are People , no matter where they are Rasied.
The Canadians did fly into Loreto on many Occasions from as far at Toronto when the New Presidente was being Built,
The only Joke I notice was about their having to go back to Canada to get Medical Service for their Blistered Skin after laying on the Beach. They would tell me later they had to wait 30 days to see a Doctor.

The couple who took 1/2 of the Old Flying Sportsmans Club Property developed it into a very good Place. I think the guy was an Ex Race Car Driver out of Vancouver, very nice People and Hard Workers,.

I have not noticed any Bad News directed toward the Canadians.?

Skeet/Loreto

BajaGringo - 8-3-2008 at 01:23 PM

I think I do know of what Tony is referring to. There have been a few Canadians very vocal on some of the forums about the dangers of Mexico due to their association with some friends/family who currently or recently have had problems down here. It struck me at first too until I realized it was the same story/posters over and over. I seem to remember one case from Cancun that I saw on many of those forums.

Just my dos centavos...

BajaGringo - 8-3-2008 at 01:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by windgrrl

Dennis you are psychic!


Thanks for that, Windgrrl. Most people spell that, "Psycho" but I appreciate your rendition.


So Dennis, are you telling us that you are a psychic psycho? If that is the case I could definitely use a peak at your crystal ball!

:P



[Edited on 8-3-2008 by BajaGringo]

DENNIS - 8-3-2008 at 01:28 PM

You gotit, Ron. I thought you were taking Shari to the airport today.

BajaGringo - 8-3-2008 at 01:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
You gotit, Ron. I thought you were taking Shari to the airport today.


Just talked to Shari and she is flying out tomorrow. Cristina and I are looking forward to meeting her in person. Still waiting for you to stop by when passing through...

DENNIS - 8-3-2008 at 01:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
Still waiting for you to stop by when passing through...


Thanks, I will. Been kinda stuck to my place trying to get things in order.
You'll like Shari....a lot.

DrTom - 8-5-2008 at 07:16 AM

canadians are big babies and theres no one cheaper than a canadian....there i said it. Ive been living here for 15 yrs, becoming a canadian citizen on friday and its all true. Great place to live, love canadians, but giant complainers.....i think it had to do with our roots....americans are more aggressive ergo more action less talk (revolutionary war vs 100yr long tea time conversation with the queen). net result is very little violence in canada....and i like that, thats why im here (if you exclude the awesome boating and fishing). I digress, the brenda martin case was huge here....and most thought she was guilty.....if you really read the story, you have to be brain dead not to know you were taking money from a crook.....the CBC ran that story every day for a month....they love the "mexico's dangerous" story especially when the weather here is crap. the other news outlets dont fear monger as much....i doubt it has made much $ difference to the baja real estate market.....the guys with the $ are pretty smart here.....

Skip_Mac - 8-6-2008 at 03:21 AM

What the F? Dr Tom? the Canadians I have met in Baja have been aggressively gregarious, want to team up and work together...Pull over and make sure we in El Rosario. Canadians I meet in the US, (H395) are polite honest and sincere as a rule. Much more trustworthy than Estados Unidos on the average.
Does Dr Tom have an ax to grind here? I wonder. Flame baiters have been targeting these pages a great deal recently. Well, Dr Tom, how about it? Are you just whining from the great white north of actually contributing to these Baja comments?

Cypress - 8-6-2008 at 06:40 AM

Canadians are just like all the rest of us.:D

motoged - 8-6-2008 at 12:09 PM

Dr.Tom,

Are you stuck on stupid or what?

You complain about Canadians complaining and then claim to be happy to be a recent immigrant to Canada.

What's up with that?

CaboRon - 8-6-2008 at 12:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Dr.Tom,

Are you stuck on stupid or what?

You complain about Canadians complaining and then claim to be happy to be a recent immigrant to Canada.

What's up with that?


It seems that a lot of posters on this board seem to think that you have to love a country to live there.

There are many reasons why people might relocate.

CaboRon



[Edited on 8-7-2008 by CaboRon]

DrTom - 8-6-2008 at 08:58 PM

in my experience in being in business for 25 years and in 14 medical practices, is that canadians are MUCH more cost conscious than their california counterparts. Yes, they are nicer, more polite, helpful etc....but when it comes to $, they are VERY conservative. Thats just my experience. Most real estate agents will say the same, and i use them as an example of business person, that has common interaction with canadians in mexico. Now, I love canada and canadians....and i married one. Canadians are just more fiscally conservative, in my opinion....

DrTom - 8-6-2008 at 09:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Dr.Tom,

Are you stuck on stupid or what?

You complain about Canadians complaining and then claim to be happy to be a recent immigrant to Canada.

What's up with that?


yeah, thats it, im stuck on stupid.

DrTom - 8-6-2008 at 09:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skip_Mac
What the F? Dr Tom? the Canadians I have met in Baja have been aggressively gregarious, want to team up and work together...Pull over and make sure we in El Rosario. Canadians I meet in the US, (H395) are polite honest and sincere as a rule. Much more trustworthy than Estados Unidos on the average.
Does Dr Tom have an ax to grind here? I wonder. Flame baiters have been targeting these pages a great deal recently. Well, Dr Tom, how about it? Are you just whining from the great white north of actually contributing to these Baja comments?


if my choices are only whining or contributing, i suspect a little of each;D

Nice of you to be Frank...............

Sharksbaja - 8-6-2008 at 09:43 PM

Doc! :lol:

Gee you really struck a nerve with that comment. It was nice of you to pretty it up for the meek.

I suppose I should weigh in here since I see plenty of Canadians(they dislike fried food). With that said, consider a 10% tip on an excellent meal and service a good one.:yes:

Sharksbaja - 8-7-2008 at 02:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skip_Mac
What the F? Dr Tom? the Canadians I have met in Baja have been aggressively gregarious, want to team up and work together...



Yeah, to build illogical and destructive authentic villages and golf courses.:mad:

Yes, they want to get their piece of coastline and make it home. I wonder, do you think Asuncion will have 8 or 16 holes?;)

motoged - 8-7-2008 at 10:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DrTom
in my experience in being in business for 25 years and in 14 medical practices, is that canadians are MUCH more cost conscious than their california counterparts. Yes, they are nicer, more polite, helpful etc....but when it comes to $, they are VERY conservative. ...


Doc,
Now that is different than calling them cheap whiner babies, isn't it.....most folks on this board seem to espouse conservative views....does that make them cheap whining babies??? I doubt you would hurl that accusation at the republican voters on this forum....
Ged.....

CaboRon - 8-7-2008 at 11:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Quote:
Originally posted by Skip_Mac
What the F? Dr Tom? the Canadians I have met in Baja have been aggressively gregarious, want to team up and work together...



Yeah, to build illogical and destructive authentic villages and golf courses.:mad:

Yes, they want to get their piece of coastline and make it home. I wonder, do you think Asuncion will have 8 or 16 holes?;)


Hopefully either 9 or 18 holes :lol::lol::lol:

Sharksbaja - 8-7-2008 at 12:00 PM

Busted!:P:lol:

Timo1 - 8-7-2008 at 03:03 PM

As long as it has the 19th hole...BRING IT ON !!!!!

vandenberg - 8-7-2008 at 04:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Timo1
As long as it has the 19th hole...BRING IT ON !!!!!


The name of my abode.:P:biggrin:

DrTom - 8-8-2008 at 10:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by DrTom
in my experience in being in business for 25 years and in 14 medical practices, is that canadians are MUCH more cost conscious than their california counterparts. Yes, they are nicer, more polite, helpful etc....but when it comes to $, they are VERY conservative. ...


Doc,
Now that is different than calling them cheap whiner babies, isn't it.....most folks on this board seem to espouse conservative views....does that make them cheap whining babies??? I doubt you would hurl that accusation at the republican voters on this forum....
Ged.....


actually there are no republicans in canada.....its a different political system believe it or not. and if there were republicans, and they were cheap whiner babies, id call em that.....come to think of it, some of the wealthiest cheap whiner babies up here would be republicans if in the states, so actually, youre incorrect. I dont think cheap whiner babyism is biased by political persuasion.

Bajafun777 - 8-8-2008 at 11:20 PM

Ok, I think I can give a clear example of why people say Canadians are cheap----When I go down to Maztalan and I have those damn timeshare people pesting me I say I am Canadian and they don't walk but run away from me:bounce::spingrin:. Now, because of this I love Canadians since they make it where I can walk around Maztalan without having these knotheads walking two blocks along with me trying to make me set an appointment to see a timeshare. Now, in baja I have met a few but nothing like in Maztalan. They do seem to stay within their groups but in fairness they all seem to travel together going down and back out. Makes since but could be mistaken by a few. Most Canadians I know do not like to say too much about Mexico as they get their medical cheaper here than Canada and usually have some deal or another going on where they stay and they will not tell you what that deal is!! Again, they are taking care of business in each and every way. Later-------------- bajafun777

bobw - 8-9-2008 at 07:09 AM

As a Canadian who spent 10 years in Texas, I can say that Canadians are generally much more cost conscious than the average American. There is a very simple reason...

To you Americans...take your salary... now cut 30% off of it...now... double the taxes you pay... you now have a Canadian take home pay. Lets see how well you can live on it.

Being a little more globally savvy, I've tried hard to not be the typical CFC (Cheap F*(*# Canadian), but it is difficult.

jack - 8-9-2008 at 11:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bobw
As a Canadian who spent 10 years in Texas, I can say that Canadians are generally much more cost conscious than the average American. There is a very simple reason...

To you Americans...take your salary... now cut 30% off of it...now... double the taxes you pay... you now have a Canadian take home pay. Lets see how well you can live on it.

Being a little more globally savvy, I've tried hard to not be the typical CFC (Cheap F*(*# Canadian), but it is difficult.


Exactly! That's been my experience also. You want to hear a Yank whine, talk to one who's traveling in Canada and paying the prices we pay for items.

motoged - 8-10-2008 at 05:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DrTom
actually there are no republicans in canada.....its a different political system believe it or not. and if there were republicans, and they were cheap whiner babies, id call em that.....come to think of it, some of the wealthiest cheap whiner babies up here would be republicans if in the states, so actually, youre incorrect. I dont think cheap whiner babyism is biased by political persuasion.


Doc,
Thanks for the lesson on politics and etiquette:lol:

My point is that those whiner republicans in Canada are called conservatives...

I have tended to respect conservation on many levels of the application of that concept....monetarily and ecologically to name a few. But I vote more liberally:light:

My reaction to your comment initially was reactive in that, as a Canadian, I don't like to sit back when I hear such generalizations....maybe like you probably don't want to hear Americans described as gun-toting, war-mongering, imperialist, etc.

So, next time you whine about the other whiners, think about how you do it.

A very nice family from Canada..................

Sharksbaja - 8-10-2008 at 07:21 PM

came in and we talked a bit over dinner. They complained of high gas prices at home but were happy about the exchange rate.

They were very generous and the kids had great manners.
Baja was not mentioned.:lol:

Now cmon folks let's not stereotype.:no:

redmesa - 8-10-2008 at 10:43 PM

Eh! What the heck. We are a puritan, Calvinistic nation of saver and survivors. We are not usually greedy nor big consumers by nature. A penny saved is a penny earned...etc. Give us a break...eh.

DianaT - 8-11-2008 at 11:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jack

Exactly! That's been my experience also. You want to hear a Yank whine, talk to one who's traveling in Canada and paying the prices we pay for items.


VERY true---love Canada and love traveling there---have driven back to the postcard pretty Prince Edward Island, all the way north through the beautiful Yukon, and out to the Freedom road and Bella Coola, and more.

And yes, we whined to ourselves about the prices---a lot, but the beauty and most the people made it worth the money.

I said MOST the people because you can't like everyone everywhere.

:lol::lol:

Diane

[Edited on 8-11-2008 by jdtrotter]

Cypress - 8-11-2008 at 12:13 PM

So Canadians are a bunch of cheapos? Are Canadians from one province cheaper than those from other provinces?:D Is this whole thread dumb?:lol:

gnukid - 8-11-2008 at 12:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged


Doc,
Thanks for the lesson on politics and etiquette:lol:


No offense really their penny pinching is amazing.

Over the last twenty years at the end of winter season in Mexico, we gather around to say goodbye to the part timers who return to the north. Each year we all agree that we will not make the mistake of allowing the Canadians to freeload off us again due to heavy cost and financial burden, they appear friendly and kind but their ulterior motives quickly become apparent. They hang around until you see they are hungry and thirsty of course its awkward to eat in front of others so we are obliged. And hey you think no big deal.

The average Canadian in Mexico never reciprocates and returns the favor afterwards. We learned our lesson. They take and take. On the other hand there is nothing wrong with inviting guests and not expecting anything in return. Thats fine. But repeated burdensome visits get old.

The Mexicans complain about the Canadians arguing about the cost of one tomato or an onion. When you ask them to contribute they bring old rotting fruit or canned food and nothing to drink yet they drink all our beer.

I do like my canadian friends however there is something about their style and interaction in mexico that makes them a burden on everyone else and they have no problem with it.

I believe this is due to prejudice. Not prejudice against Canadians but Canadians prejudice toward others. They believe they are less suited to pay their way than others. They are under the impression that others have an easier time paying for them than they do and they are happy to take advantage of anyone they can.

Oh and worse when you are selling something we run and hide from Canadian campers who want to buy they will always try to ask can we try it and use it and then decide, can we pay only half now, can we just borrow it for a while then you can sell it. I have lost countless items to my Canadian "friends" and then when you ask for it back, they can't find it?

It is more likely they are smart enough to know how to take advantage of others, or they know they have to do it to survive where as that would never occur to others or be the style of mexicans who have less.

It really is a cultural phenomenon that unfortunately divides us into groups, we are very cautious about canadians who approach our camp because of the negative financial impact on the rest of us. Lets say you have a budget of $10,000 for 6 months of camping. Your budget will be largely impacted by Canadians if you allow it. Kudos for Canadians for being so savvy at freeloading, unfortunately their penny pinching ways are quickly forgotten when they are reaching into your cooler for another cold one.

And do not get me started on French Canadians... Savoir faire is everywhere.

I gotta hand it to

Bajajack - 8-11-2008 at 12:29 PM

you Gnukid, your description of canadians is exactly how I would describe all the Illegals we have mooching off us in Arizona.

It's amazing they are so close in their cultures.:lol:

motoged - 8-11-2008 at 07:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
..... Each year we all agree that we will not make the mistake of allowing the Canadians to freeload off us ....


Gnu,
This might not be an issue regarding Canadians as much as your choice of friends:spingrin:

Each year you make the same promise and fail to keep it....hmmmm, must be a Canadian at fault there.....eh?

Your post spews so much ignorant generalizing, it's best I spit out the bait. :lol::lol:

CaboRon - 8-11-2008 at 07:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajajack
you Gnukid, your description of canadians is exactly how I would describe all the Illegals we have mooching off us in Arizona.

It's amazing they are so close in their cultures.:lol:


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

shari - 8-11-2008 at 08:55 PM

HA! As we were reading gnukids whiney story this afternoon, we had a good laugh because there were 2 canadians, 2 mexicans and 2 gringos at our house...and guess what??? only the gringos didn't bring beer!!!!

Bruce R Leech - 8-11-2008 at 09:34 PM

I cant believe all of you bit on this troll

gnukid - 8-11-2008 at 09:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I cant believe all of you bit on this troll



Anyway, I am sorry but frankly dealing with penny pinching freeloaders is a frustrating circumstance in Baja and I guess the post struck a nerve with me and others. I am sorry to have come to this conclusion but it is the conclusion we have come to in the region where I visit. We have been burned too many times to not be aware of cultural differences which some people take advantage of, however I do respect some peoples ability to travel on a limited budget.



[Edited on 8-12-2008 by gnukid]

No need to

Bajajack - 8-12-2008 at 07:46 AM

apologize Gnukid, you hit the nail on the head!