BajaNomad - General Sergio Aponte Polito drops a bombshell

General Sergio Aponte Polito drops a bombshell

sanluquëna - 8-3-2008 at 02:19 PM

The General, who is in command of military operations in Baja and Sonora, just delivered a 21-page press release where he accused the Baja Attorney General and the Baja Secretary of Security of orchestrating a campaign of
"smear, intrigue and slander" to have him removed from his command.

He said the campaign to try to pin the firing of the pistol in the Pampas Do Brasil restaurant in Mexicali on him goes right to the top. Aponte claims that his success against drug trafficking and organized crime was causing all kinds of problems at the highest levels of state government (thereby insinuating that the highest levels are corrupt).

http://afntijuana.info/2008/agosto/3agosto/apolitodenuncio.h...

WHO'S ON FIRST?

bancoduo - 8-3-2008 at 02:39 PM

they're all corrupt :cool:

comitan - 8-3-2008 at 02:41 PM

Say what you will but,General Sergio Aponte Polito has my vote and then some.

DENNIS - 8-3-2008 at 04:50 PM

Polito is the best they [ OK...who are they ] have to offer. He fights the fight and wins his skirmishes. He's doing all he is supposed to do, and more. The guy is a dedicated warrior.
Unfortunatly, his adversary is his employer amongst others. The government gave free reign to the drug lords in the past with the agreement that they leave their money in Mexico. De La Madrid did that because the day he took office the treasury was empty. His predecesor took everything and the new president needed a national cash flow to stimulate growth.
The government turned a blind eye to the cartels. That was the agreement.
Salinas took over and spent six years sucking the blood out of the country.

Unfortunatly there were no checks and balances on the cartels and they grew in power to the point they are today. The government is no longer in control of their benefactor and, in fact, the benefactor is in control of the government and key players in the government are on the payroll of the of both, the government and the benefactor. This isn't news.

General Polito is good and powerful. He fights the good fight. He won't be around long because he's fighting the man with the hand that feeds him. Showbiz will be over and he'll be replaced with a young turk with a bloodline closer connected to Mexico's needs of today. The need to protect anonymity.

The president and some others may be good men with altruistic motives but, they stand alone in a country that is guided by drug cartels for their profit. It works because the United States has a degenarate society that is like the crowd in the stands, watching and buying while Mexico disintigrates.

Mexico, and the world I recently knew has crapped out. It's gone.

Edited for terrible spelling

[Edited on 8-4-2008 by DENNIS]

CaboRon - 8-3-2008 at 08:34 PM

Sage words indeed, Dennis :cool:

Barry A. - 8-3-2008 at 08:52 PM

I applaud your comments, Dennis. Bravo!!!!

Barry

sanluquëna - 8-3-2008 at 08:58 PM

It simply amazes me how little this event is being recognized in the US (no press) or even most of the people on this board who live in Baja. It seems to be way over their heads. This is the single most significant political event to occur in Baja since Colosio was assassinated in 1994. You could very well wake up tomorrow to a whole new political reality in Baja. Polito has asked the federal government to extend his mandatory retirement date out 15 more months. He was due to retire in November. The cartels and their government stooges have been counting the days until he retires.

The governor of Baja has called an emergency closed-door meeting of his cabinet that has been going on all day -- on a Sunday!

http://el-mexicano.info/nota.aspx?idNota=313981&esSecc=t...

CaboRon - 8-4-2008 at 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by sanluquëna
It simply amazes me how little this event is being recognized in the US (no press) or even most of the people on this board who live in Baja. It seems to be way over their heads. This is the single most significant political event to occur in Baja since Colosio was assassinated in 1994. You could very well wake up tomorrow to a whole new political reality in Baja. Polito has asked the federal government to extend his mandatory retirement date out 15 more months. He was due to retire in November. The cartels and their government stooges have been counting the days until he retires.

The governor of Baja has called an emergency closed-door meeting of his cabinet that has been going on all day -- on a Sunday!

http://el-mexicano.info/nota.aspx?idNota=313981&esSecc=t...

Because it is not our business ....

Remember the Mexican Gov't :lol:

does not allow us to particapate in their politics of corruption ..

Their only interest in us is the money we spend here.

So, when the chit hits the fan, those of us who are not landholders in La Baja will just move on.

And they can just rot in the mess they have created over the last hundred years.

CaboRon

[Edited on 8-4-2008 by CaboRon]

Cypress - 8-4-2008 at 11:50 AM

Would hate to have his job.

"Dead man talking" seems to be the descriptive phrase. Sad.

CaboRon - 8-4-2008 at 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Would hate to have his job.

"Dead man talking" seems to be the descriptive phrase. Sad.

The phrase is "Dead Man Walking"

That's why his predessors just stole as much as they could and moved offshore.

CaboRon

Cypress - 8-4-2008 at 12:06 PM

CaboRon, No. "Dead Man Talking" is what I meant to say. Might be an original thought? Something that you appear to have a shortage of. :spingrin:

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-4-2008 at 12:07 PM

Article 29 of the Mexican Constitution: In the event of invasion, serious disturbance of the public peace, or any other event which may place society in great danger or conflict, only the President of the Mexican Republic, with the consent of the Council of Ministers and with the approval of the Federal Congress, and during adjournments of the latter, of the Permanent Committee, may suspend throughout the country or in a determined place the guarantees which present an obstacle to a rapid and ready combating of the situation; but he must do so for a limited time, by means of general preventive measures without such suspensions being limited to a specified individual. If the suspension should occur while the Congress is in session, the latter shall grant such authorizations that it deems necessary to enable the Executive to meet the situation. If the suspension occurs during a period of adjournment, the Congress shall be convoked without delay in order to grant them.

Woooosh - 8-4-2008 at 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
It works because the United States has a degenarate society that is like the crowd in the stands, watching and buying while Mexico disintigrates.

Mexico, and the world I recently knew has crapped out. It's gone.

Edited for terrible spelling

[Edited on 8-4-2008 by DENNIS]

It also works becuase the Mexicans who could change Mexico for the better are in the USA and won't come back- evn to save their beloved Mexico. They've decided instead it's easier to change the USA to make it the Mexico they always wanted. They voted with their feet.

DENNIS - 8-4-2008 at 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

It also works becuase the Mexicans who could change Mexico for the better are in the USA and won't come back- evn to save their beloved Mexico. They've decided instead it's easier to change the USA to make it the Mexico they always wanted. They voted with their feet.

The cartels ran them out too.
What a country. The birth of a Democratic Republic. The voice and will of the people....and all that nonsense. Democracy is having the vote. Power is counting the votes. I wonder how involved the cartels are in that process.

CaboRon - 8-4-2008 at 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
CaboRon, No. "Dead Man Talking" is what I meant to say. Might be an original thought? Something that you appear to have a shortage of. :spingrin:

Is that your best shot IDE-HO ?

sanluquëna - 8-4-2008 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Democracy is having the vote. Power is counting the votes.

Democracy is two foxes and a chicken voting on what's for lunch. The US is not a Democracy. It is a constitutional republic, as is Mexico. The consitutution is a contract among the people that defines what powers the government has and what rights the people have, e.g. we can't vote to eat all the chickens for lunch just because they are a minority.

The difference between the US and Mexico is that the US Constitution is real, Mexico's is just a piece of paper.

sanluquëna - 8-4-2008 at 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
Because it is not our business ....

Remember the Mexican Gov't :lol:

does not allow us to particapate in their politics of corruption ..

When you say "us" I guess you are referring the people here who are not Mexican citizens or married to Mexican citizens.

So, what about the rest?

DENNIS - 8-4-2008 at 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by sanluquëna
The difference between the US and Mexico is that the US Constitution is real, Mexico's is just a piece of paper.

You've been missing some of the US news lately, havn't you.

Cypress - 8-4-2008 at 01:24 PM

CaboRon, Naugh, you don't rate my best shot. :lol:

bancoduo - 8-4-2008 at 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by sanluquëna

The difference between the US and Mexico is that the US Constitution is real, Mexico's is just a piece of paper.

Not to worry. The US is catching up real fast :cool:

CaboRon - 8-4-2008 at 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by sanluquëna

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboRon
Because it is not our business ....

Remember the Mexican Gov't :lol:

does not allow us to particapate in their politics of corruption ..

When you say "us" I guess you are referring the people here who are not Mexican citizens or married to Mexican citizens.

So, what about the rest?

You are outnumbered :lol:

[Edited on 8-4-2008 by CaboRon]

Woooosh - 8-4-2008 at 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by sanluquëna

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Democracy is having the vote. Power is counting the votes.

exactly. Most Americans need to be reminded of that too.

DENNIS - 8-4-2008 at 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by sanluquëna

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Democracy is having the vote. Power is counting the votes.

exactly. Most Americans need to be reminded of that too.

Really. Why? What difference will it make? What's the difference between the constitution and a chicken? They're both killed and cooked to appease the hunger of somebody.

openeyes - 8-4-2008 at 04:57 PM

Here is something for you to try.
I read both the Point Loma paper and the dailies out of TJ. in the morning.
It shows you how far beyond both help and repair Baja,Mexico is when it come to the crime issues. We in the states have oversight protection that may sometimes be late in action but it is still always there. This time next year, All the tourists who are still there will be selling cheap and running for the border.
Read between the lines folks. Mexico is the new Columbia and its going to get worse.

DENNIS - 8-4-2008 at 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by openeyes
This time next year, All the tourists who are still there will be selling cheap and running for the border.

Your point is well-traveled here but, we arn't tourists. This is our home. Without you ever understanding why, we have hope.

openeyes - 8-4-2008 at 05:15 PM

In Mexico, We will never be anything but tourists to the Mexicans. Tell yourself anything you want. They like us for the greenbacks and nothing else.
Its always funny when americans think they are "part of Mexico"
We are not,never will be and most Mexicans want us gone.

DENNIS - 8-4-2008 at 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by openeyes
In Mexico, We will never be anything but tourists to the Mexicans. Tell yourself anything you want. They like us for the greenbacks and nothing else.
Its always funny when americans think they are "part of Mexico"
We are not,never will be and most Mexicans want us gone.

That's bullcrap. I may not be part of the Mexicans but, I am part of Mexico. I'm not a tourist. In my community I'm respected as any resident.
I understand the resentment that Mexicans have for us. We, through history, earned some of it although I must agree, it's been overdone.
Furthermore, I'm more concerned with what I think of myself than what others think of me and that includes you. You've posted twice here with the evident mission to tell us, the expatriots in Baja, how blind and misled we are. Personally, I don't need your advice or commentary. Why don't you attend to the problems in your own community. Judgeing from your attitude, you could start with yourself.

openeyes - 8-4-2008 at 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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You could use a lesson in manners my friend. Seems to me I am talking to the big loud american my Mexican friends have told me about. So this is where you have been hiding.

DENNIS - 8-4-2008 at 05:43 PM

I'm not your friend.

Justo Buenvantura backs up Polito

sanluquëna - 8-4-2008 at 10:51 PM

The recently dismissed director of the Baja state police, Justo Buenvantura Jaimes Villarreal, has backed up General Polito and has stated that the Director of Public Security, Daniel De la Rosa Anaya, never let Buenvantura take the necessary steps to do what was needed to fight crime. It was General Polito who yesterday accused De la Rosa of complicity in criminal activity in Baja, along with state Attorney General Rommel.

http://el-mexicano.info/nota.aspx?idNota=314083&esSecc=t...

DianaT - 8-4-2008 at 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by grover

[Edited on 8-5-2008 by grover]

retake, retake, retake.

fdt - 8-4-2008 at 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by openeyes
my Mexican friends have told me about.

Funny, I don't think us mexicans have trolls like openeyes (or fulanos, memos, palmetos, sanluqueñas or foncho uncles) as friends

Mango - 8-5-2008 at 12:36 AM

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There has been foreign influences in Mexico for eons. Yes some of it good and some of it bad. In fact - Mexican, Canadian, and US past, present, and future history all intertwine and overlap quite a bit. In the USA I live in a town named after a Frenchman and live on a street named after a Spaniard.

Ever heard of the Mexican Mennonites from Canada, Cortez from Spain, the Frenchman named Maximilian, Germans, Chinese, and African Slaves, etc.. etc..?

All of these people and more have played a major role and left their marks in Mexico's past and present. They will continue to play a role in the future of the country as well.

I've traveled all over Mexico and been surprised at some of the people I've seen. A white blue eyed cab driver in a small mountain town in Puebla, an elderly black man in Campeche (that wanted to practice one of his five known languages with me - and told me of German spies during WWII!), entire regions where native dialects where the norm, all the Chinese in Mexicali, the great German beer, the French bakeries, the weird to me Mennonites in in town to get supplies, etc..

Sure, some people stand out and may not be "appreciated" by everyone everywhere. Thats the same anywhere in the world, even within Mexico. If people from Mexico City go anywhere in the country besides DF they stand out and are often not "welcome" because they are "chilangos" from the "big city". The same thing happens to people from Boston, the deep south, California, people of different races, etc..here in the USA all the time.

True, most gringos stand out and are misunderstood as often as they themselves misunderstand. On the mainland, everyone thinks I'm German, that never happens in Baja. People are strange... the key thing is... some people, be they Mexicans, Gringos, Germans, or Africans just "get it" and unfortunately many people around the world just don't "get it" and never look beyond the surface.

Generally, the longer you are someplace, the less people will think your out of place... even if they think you're weird or quirky. Those weird pale skinned Mennonite women in their old-fashioned dresses only got weird looks from the weird gringo passing through. It was strange to me so see them waiting at the bus stop in a dusty little town; but, the other locals didn't even think twice about them.

Plenty of different people are "part of Mexico" weather anyone "gets it" or about it. The people and influences are there, have been there, and can not be erased.

CaboRon - 8-5-2008 at 06:08 AM

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Originally posted by fdt

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Originally posted by openeyes
my Mexican friends have told me about.

Funny, I don't think us mexicans have trolls like openeyes (or fulanos, memos, palmetos, sanluqueñas or foncho uncles) as friends

That's a pretty broad statement .... how do you know ???

vandenberg - 8-5-2008 at 08:37 AM

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Funny, I don't think us mexicans have trolls like openeyes (or fulanos, memos, palmetos, sanluqueñas or foncho uncles) as friends

Anyone missing in this line up :?:

And how many a*sholes are we actually talking about ?
No way for Doug to spot these jerks before they post ?
He did spot my double posting a few months back and had me remove one of my personalities off the board. :no:

DENNIS - 8-5-2008 at 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
He did spot my double posting a few months back and had me remove one of my personalities off the board. :no:

Aw shucks, Ed....You're still "Ed in Nopolo" to those who care. Doug can't take away your birthday.

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-5-2008 at 10:30 AM

Now now boys and girls don't feed the trolls. Just trying to do my part. I'm such a wuss...

Edit: Just adding that I am a BIG WUSS!

[Edited on 8-5-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

CaboRon - 8-5-2008 at 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by sanluquëna
The recently dismissed director of the Baja state police, Justo Buenvantura Jaimes Villarreal, has backed up General Polito and has stated that the Director of Public Security, Daniel De la Rosa Anaya, never let Buenvantura take the necessary steps to do what was needed to fight crime. It was General Polito who yesterday accused De la Rosa of complicity in criminal activity in Baja, along with state Attorney General Rommel.

http://el-mexicano.info/nota.aspx?idNota=314083&esSecc=t...

Well, Suprise, Suprise :lol:

CaboRon

Una bola de babosas

sanluquëna - 8-6-2008 at 03:43 PM

Do you know what the Baja California government has done about all those serious accusations from General Polito? Start an investigation? Fire somebody? Shoot a burro?

Naw. They've done absolutely NADA.

Well, I take that back, the governor of Baja, Osuna Millán, did ask the federal attorney general to investigate it all. I guess he has discharged his duties as the highest elected offcial in the state by asking somebody to look into it.

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/06082...

DENNIS - 8-6-2008 at 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by sanluquëna
Do you know what the Baja California government has done about all those serious accusations from General Polito? Start an investigation? Fire somebody? Shoot a burro?

Naw. They've done absolutely NADA.

Well, I take that back, the governor of Baja, Osuna Millán, did ask the federal attorney general to investigate it all. I guess he has discharged his duties as the highest elected offcial in the state by asking somebody to look into it.

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/06082...

Is the state governor in a position to investigate federal officials?
I have no idea.

sanluquëna - 8-6-2008 at 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Is the state governor in a position to investigate federal officials?
I have no idea.

Well, the "I have no idea" part was right on point. Had you read the first post in this thread, you would have learned that the accused are state officials who report to the Governor of Baja.

Think of it like this: suppose that the commanding general of the California National Guard issued a 21-page press release wherein he accused the California Attorney General [currently Jerry Brown, the lord of the medflies] of being all tied in with organized crime. Now, do you suppose that the Governor of California, the Arnold, would just call up the US Attorney General and ask him to look into it?

It's nice to know that a senior nomad has his arms around the situtation in Mexico. Now, all we need is for Skeet to chime in with "well I've been in Baja for 38 years......".

DENNIS - 8-6-2008 at 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by sanluquëna
[It's nice to know that a senior nomad has his arms around the situtation in Mexico.

Well, good. I ask a civil question and all I get is the best of you. That's OK. I'm not new at this, so...
First of all, do you have a name or is cowering under the misspelled banner of a degenerate pig sty in Cabo San Doofus the best you can do?

sanluquëna - 8-6-2008 at 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
First of all, do you have a name ...

Yes, I have a name. Do you have any more questions for me tonight?