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What Happened to the Water ?

CaboRon - 8-6-2008 at 07:50 AM

Until it rained a couple of nights ago I had the clearest water comming out of my tap.

Now it is ugly and cloudy ....

Was it because of the storm ??

Is my system compromised somehow ....

I am now afraid to use the tap water for anything until it either clears up or can be tested.

Do you think this is backflow contamination ??

I am now running open taps to see if it will clear.

I live in Todos Santos and usually have city water 24/7 ..

When I lived in La Paz (centro) I only got city water every other day for about six hours .....

Would be interested in your observations....

Thanks,

CaboRon

David K - 8-6-2008 at 08:02 AM

Rainfall and rushing water causes turbulance and stirs up sediment... It will settle down eventually... not harmfull.

Taco de Baja - 8-6-2008 at 08:13 AM

Are you still on city water? or well water? Flushing probably will not help if the entire city supply line pipes are supplying cloudy water.

In any event, I sure wouldn’t drink it. There could be who knows what mixed into that cloudy water...sewer, ag chemicals, oil, anything. :barf:

If it is City water, alert them. Until it is fixed drink bottled water, or beer.

Ugly water solution

bajaguy - 8-6-2008 at 08:17 AM

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CaboRon - 8-6-2008 at 08:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Are you still on city water? or well water? Flushing probably will not help if the entire city supply line pipes are supplying cloudy water.

In any event, I sure wouldn’t drink it. There could be who knows what mixed into that cloudy water...sewer, ag chemicals, oil, anything. :barf:

If it is City water, alert them. Until it is fixed drink bottled water, or beer.


I am on city water .....

After that some of it goes to the roof storage unit, although how that happens is anybodys guess ....

The plumbing in this casa is the craziest mix of pipes and plumbing I have ever seen ..... who knows what feeds what, I sure don't.

The agent tells me they had to spend quite a bit of time and money to straighten it out after the builders finished ....

CaboRon




[Edited on 8-6-2008 by CaboRon]

k-rico - 8-6-2008 at 09:00 AM

Do septic systems and fresh water wells mix when it rains hard? Probably not your problem but maybe.

Do you drink Mexican tap water? At first I gave it to my dogs but it was obvious that it made them sick.

Does anybody here drink Mex tap water?

Until the water clears,

BMG - 8-6-2008 at 09:17 AM

I would suggest switching to a darker whiskey.




I did look into your plumbing maze a bit. Just turn the valve on the left and your water should clear up in a week or 2.

plumber.jpg - 40kB

Osprey - 8-6-2008 at 10:19 AM

Nobody in our little pueblo will drink city/well water for 48 hours after hurricane or downpour.

DENNIS - 8-6-2008 at 11:33 AM

I can't believe I'm hearing this. What's the number one rule for travel or living in Mexico? DON'T DRINK THE WATER. I find it hard to believe that anybody still does it.

The other number one rule is...DON'T DRIVE THE TOLL ROAD AT NIGHT.

Have I forgotten any other number one rules?

CaboRon - 8-6-2008 at 12:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
I can't believe I'm hearing this. What's the number one rule for travel or living in Mexico? DON'T DRINK THE WATER. I find it hard to believe that anybody still does it.

The other number one rule is...DON'T DRIVE THE TOLL ROAD AT NIGHT.

Have I forgotten any other number one rules?


Dennis,

I never said anything about drinking the water, even though I have gringo frinds who do drink the water in La Paz.

I do use it to brush my teeth, shower and wash with, and I use it for any cooking and making coffee where the water is boiled.

CaboRon

DianaT - 8-6-2008 at 12:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
I can't believe I'm hearing this. What's the number one rule for travel or living in Mexico? DON'T DRINK THE WATER. I find it hard to believe that anybody still does it.

The other number one rule is...DON'T DRIVE THE TOLL ROAD AT NIGHT.

Have I forgotten any other number one rules?


In our village there are people who do drink the water---we don't, but we do shower and brush teeth with it -- dishes, etc.

I wouldn't because it comes from the otherside of Vizcaino (70 miles + )and the pipes are old and constantly breaking, not to mention the many, many leaks along the way.

If our water suddenly changed, I would not trust it to just be sediment stirred up, unless you are quite sure all the pipes that lead to you home are in great shape.

Have you thought of doing what we do? We put a little bleach in our tinacos once in while --- just a precaution.

Diane

DENNIS - 8-6-2008 at 12:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
Do septic systems and fresh water wells mix when it rains hard? Probably not your problem but maybe.



Septic systems won't. They're closed unlike cesspools. They're open and will. So, stay out of your cesspool for 48 hours after a deluge. You wouldn't want to be frolicking around in that dirty well water.

BMG - 8-6-2008 at 01:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS

So, stay out of your cesspool for 48 hours after a deluge.


Seems to me that I heard you should stay out of cesspools for at least 72 hours after flushing.

I do know of a good doctor in La Paz if you want to drink the tap water.

CaboRon - 8-6-2008 at 01:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
Do septic systems and fresh water wells mix when it rains hard? Probably not your problem but maybe.



Septic systems won't. They're closed unlike cesspools. They're open and will. So, stay out of your cesspool for 48 hours after a deluge. You wouldn't want to be frolicking around in that dirty well water.


Well Dennis,

That just blows my all my home improvement plans to hell.

We were trying to modify the cess pool to serve double duty as the swimming pool.


Cypress - 8-6-2008 at 01:23 PM

Drinking tap water?:biggrin:Must have run out of beer.:lol:

Diver - 8-6-2008 at 01:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Rainfall and rushing water causes turbulance and stirs up sediment... It will settle down eventually... not harmfull.


:no::no::no::no::no:

Actually, siltation or "turbidity" is a major reason why surface water sources are rarely considered safe anymore.
When sediments are added or "stirred" into the water source, they have the potential to bring all kinds of critters with them. The surface area with all the nooks and crannies has lots of potential to hold bacteria.

If the water source is chlorinated, the chlorine molecules tend to attach to the sediment particals which diminishes the disinfecting ability of the chlorine.

If you get your water from a well, there should be no siltation as wells should be cased and isolated from surface water. If there is siltation in a well-supplied system, there is likely either a well that is taking in seepage water from the surface (very bad news) or their distribution or storage system has been compromised.

Although there are some sediment-like particulates that may not be dangerous to drink, there is enough potential for a health risk that I would never suggest drinking turbid water without sufficient filtration.
.

[Edited on 8-6-2008 by Diver]

Diver - 8-6-2008 at 01:59 PM

One caviot;

Even with well water systems, a very tiny amount of silt may accumulate over time at the bottom of distribution mains. Particularly when the mains are sized for fire flow but normally only used for lesser flows.
With these systems some turbidity can occur when the water mains are flushed or after a fire event which can cause accumulated particulate to dislodge and enter the water stream. Although this is not normally bacteriologically active material, it may contain heavy metal particulates or simple rust that can stain your clothes.

More than you ever wanted to know ..... sorry, got carried away as I used to teach a class in this stuff.

Jack Swords - 8-6-2008 at 02:10 PM

We lived in Todos Santos back in the 80's and early 90's. Frequent water failures in town created the same situation. There were/are few backflow devices in many casas and when the pressure fails water can be sucked back into the system from horse troughs, tinacos, leaky water lines, or other sources if a valve is open. That "suck-backed" water is then in the system to deliver when pressure is back. Todos Santos is hilly and that enhances the effect. Also, septic tanks properly designed may be sealed, but not necessarily. We had a strong rainfall that flooded most of the town and made the huerta impassable (5 ft deep). My neighbors had a privy (as do many others) and it was entirely cleaned out by the floodwaters...mixed in the waters covering town. Are the wells sealed from such water? We did not drink tap water.

Now in La Paz, many, many folks drink the water (except after a hurricane). We use it for coffee, bathing, washing teeth, etc. Bottled water is used for drinking. Supposedly the La Paz water is tested frequently and is safe to drink.

vandenberg - 8-6-2008 at 03:23 PM

On the same subject: Loreto bay homeowners were recently notified that their tapwater was not safe to drink. Too high a bacterial content. They were advised to boil all water before usage. Now, as far as I know, this is the same water the rest of Loreto receives, but nobody, including people in Nopolo, were ever advised of this problem. So much for a caring Loreto Bay company.:no::no:

bacquito - 8-6-2008 at 03:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
Do septic systems and fresh water wells mix when it rains hard? Probably not your problem but maybe.

Do you drink Mexican tap water? At first I gave it to my dogs but it was obvious that it made them sick.

Does anybody here drink Mex tap water?


I tried it a couple of times in Ensenada-I heard other people drink the tap water. It was somewhat salty-kinda like Yuma water and made lousy coffee!

DENNIS - 8-6-2008 at 04:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaboRon
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Well Dennis,

That just blows my all my home improvement plans to hell.

We were trying to modify the cess pool to serve double duty as the swimming pool.



That belly flop just gave me a huge belly laugh, Ron. Thanks for that. I owe you one.

Barry A. - 8-6-2008 at 04:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
One caviot;

Even with well water systems, a very tiny amount of silt may accumulate over time at the bottom of distribution mains. Particularly when the mains are sized for fire flow but normally only used for lesser flows.
With these systems some turbidity can occur when the water mains are flushed or after a fire event which can cause accumulated particulate to dislodge and enter the water stream. Although this is not normally bacteriologically active material, it may contain heavy metal particulates or simple rust that can stain your clothes.

More than you ever wanted to know ..... sorry, got carried away as I used to teach a class in this stuff.


Even in the USA these problems can, and do, occur. Our drinking water in Redding, CA is co-mingled with the fire hydrants. When the city flushes the water lines twice a year, we are advised to NOT drink the water for at least 24 hours. We have a very expensive "Aqua Pure" filter system on our kitchen water source, and that is the ONLY water we EVER drink, but we don't drink even that when the city advises us that the lines will be flushed.

To each his/her own---------:( I would drink tap water outside the USA ONLY if I was about to die from dehydration!! I carry a Katadyn water filter when camping.

Barry

Bob and Susan - 8-6-2008 at 05:07 PM

hey ... i'm with dennis

rule number ONE!!!
DON'T DRINK THE WATER.

drink ONLY purified water and cross your fingers.

rule number 2
DON'T DRIVE...AT NIGHT.

Bajafun777 - 8-6-2008 at 05:22 PM

CaboRon, I tend to agree with those clear thinking nomads that recommend drinking beer, however, I suggest that it be very cold and do not ruin it by drinking water before or after. Use the current dirty or clouded water only for the toliet. I do not even suggest bathing in it until it clears up to prevent possible infections. You should boil some and then use it for taking a bath. Now, what better excuse can you have than to say I had to drink very cold beer but do not take a bath in it as the soap will only ruin the taste:lol::biggrin:! Have seen this in San Felipe and even T.J. a number of years back after a bad storm better to be safe than sorry. Take care=========== bajafun777

bancoduo - 8-6-2008 at 07:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Rainfall and rushing water causes turbulance and stirs up sediment... It will settle down eventually... not harmfull.


Why Don't you people listen to the resident hydrologist.:mad:

David K - 8-6-2008 at 09:55 PM

I am not a 'hydrologist' (I don't think I even know what that would be)...

However, in the response I was giving to Cabo Ron about 'cloudy water' after storms... He did not ask about 'drinking' it, nor would I assume he would be so careless to drink from any tap in rural Mexico (or anywgere else in the world). Bottled water is even drunk by the locals! Beer is even better!!

Ron was describing TURBIDITY (see Turbid in the dictionary)... and for what I assumed he is was concerned about (plumbing fixture damage, clothes washing, bathing), my response was "not harmfull". IF he specifically asked about drinking cloudy tap water in Baja... I would say NO, NO, NO.

DianaT - 8-6-2008 at 10:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I am not a 'hydrologist' (I don't think I even know what that would be)...

However, in the response I was giving to Cabo Ron about 'cloudy water' after storms... He did not ask about 'drinking' it, nor would I assume he would be so careless to drink from any tap in rural Mexico (or anywgere else in the world). Bottled water is even drunk by the locals! Beer is even better!!

Ron was describing TURBIDITY (see Turbid in the dictionary)... and for what I assumed he is was concerned about (plumbing fixture damage, clothes washing, bathing), my response was "not harmfull". IF he specifically asked about drinking cloudy tap water in Baja... I would say NO, NO, NO.



Quote:

Rainfall and rushing water causes turbulance and stirs up sediment... It will settle down eventually... not harmfull.


David,
Don't be so defensive. You did say not harmfull (sic) and I cringed when I read that. Lots of people in many areas of Baja do drink the tap water, including where we are.

Read the other posts about the increased dangers after a storm etc.

Maybe before you assume what someone is asking, you should ask---that would clarify things.

Diane

David K - 8-6-2008 at 10:24 PM

Diane, I was the first to respond to Ron... so how could I possibly know what others would say AFTER...??? Ron didn't say drinking, so to me harmful (thanks for the spell check) meant for other things. Turbid water isn't from my experience as an irrigation specialist.

My advice can only be based on what was asked... Ron didn't specify, so not harmful was a non specific answer. I lived 20 years with a water supply drawn from a lake... (Lake Wohlford, near Escondido) and after rain storms the water became turbid (cloudy). It wasn't harmful to wash with, etc. We drank bottled water all those years.

DianaT - 8-6-2008 at 10:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Diane, I was the first to respond to Ron... so how could I possibly know what others would say AFTER...??? Ron didn't say drinking, so to me harmful (thanks for the spell check) meant for other things. Turbid water isn't from my experience as an irrigation specialist.

My advice can only be based on what was asked... Ron didn't specify, so not harmful was a non specific answer. I lived 20 years with a water supply drawn from a lake... (Lake Wohlford, near Escondido) and after rain storms the water became turbid (cloudy). It wasn't harmful to wash with, etc. We drank bottled water all those years.


As I said David, assumptions get us all into problems.

Diane

Diver - 8-6-2008 at 10:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Rainfall and rushing water causes turbulance and stirs up sediment... It will settle down eventually... not harmfull.


You said "not harmfull".
You didn't say, not harful for everything but drinking.
Your comment could well have been interpreted exactly as it was written and someone could have been "HARMED".

Your statement was wrong and irresponsible; accept it, and stop acting like a defensive 2 year old !!

"But mommy I didn't really touch it; I just put my finger on it."
Worse behavior than my 7 year old !
.

David K - 8-7-2008 at 08:11 AM

Okay, okay... my bad...

This is a forum for public discussion about Baja... Not a place to confirm if your tap water can be harmful... I am still waiting for Cabo Ron to say if he meant harmful to drink or not.

If you need to know if your tap water is 'harmful', then please do more than ask on an Internet forum where nobody can see, or test your water.

Really, Ron... what where you trying to find out?

Cloudy, turbid water (happens when water comes from a lake or river after a storm) is just water with more dirt floating in it.

CaboRon - 8-7-2008 at 08:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Okay, okay... my bad...

This is a forum for public discussion about Baja... Not a place to confirm if your tap water can be harmful... I am still waiting for Cabo Ron to say if he meant harmful to drink or not.

If you need to know if your tap water is 'harmful', then please do more than ask on an Internet forum where nobody can see, or test your water.

Really, Ron... what where you trying to find out?

Cloudy, turbid water (happens when water comes from a lake or river after a storm) is just water with more dirt floating in it.


Read the thread David,

And you will have your answer :lol:

Looks like we may need more popcorn

So now you are determining what questions may be asked on the BajaNomad Forum ??

I am not going to say what I think of that attitude.

CAboRon

David K - 8-7-2008 at 08:24 AM

Ron, I did read YOUR question... and was the FIRST to respond... the rest of the thread hadn't happened yet.

Here is what you posted:
======================================================

What Happened to the Water ?

Until it rained a couple of nights ago I had the clearest water comming out of my tap.

Now it is ugly and cloudy ....

Was it because of the storm ??

Is my system compromised somehow ....

I am now afraid to use the tap water for anything until it either clears up or can be tested.

Do you think this is backflow contamination ??

I am now running open taps to see if it will clear.

I live in Todos Santos and usually have city water 24/7 ..

When I lived in La Paz (centro) I only got city water every other day for about six hours .....

Would be interested in your observations....

Thanks,

CaboRon
====================================================

Here was MY reply:

Rainfall and rushing water causes turbulance and stirs up sediment... It will settle down eventually... not harmfull.
=====================================================

Now, about this part:

"Would be interested in your observations....

Thanks,

CaboRon"

Please tell me why I should have ignored your post or better yet, why you can't tell us if you drink the tap water ?

Sorry for trying to give you some information on what causes cloudy water after a storm... Have a nice day!

CaboRon - 8-7-2008 at 09:06 AM

Fine with me David ......

You have a nice day too ....

CaboRon

Cypress - 8-7-2008 at 10:45 AM

lencho, Drinking the tap water is a no-no. :)It's taught in Baja 101.:)No remedial course is required.:biggrin:

DianaT - 8-7-2008 at 12:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by jdtrotter
As I said David, assumptions get us all into problems.

I can't *believe* I'm supporting David on any issue, but I have to say that it's a reasonable assumption that no member of this board is so clueless as to drink TS tap water, and that any reply could safely ignore that consideration. :lol:

--Larry


However, isn't the assumption that it is not harmful still potentially dangerous? Sure, maybe no one in TS would drink the tap water as some do in other areas, but if something happend that really polluted the water, it could still be dangerous to even take a shower, unless you treat the water?

So, even if one could safely ignore the idea of drinking the water, assuring someone that it is harmless without really knowing the cause for sure, seems a little dangerous,

IMHO. It was a plausable answer to the cause of the cloudy water, however, who knows what was stirred up in that cloudy water.

Knowing the water system in our area with the multiple leaks, while some people do drink the tap water, we still treat our water just for bathing. Too many grazing animals etc.

JMHO ---- still think assumptions get us all in trouble even when we think the assumption is a given. :lol:

Dang, need to get on the road---headed down to check out our water----:lol:

Diane

vandenberg - 8-7-2008 at 12:30 PM

Have been drinking tap water since the 80's. First in Tripui and since the early 90's here in Nopolo. Never had any detrimental effects. Water at Tripui was actually sweet and very good tasting. Adding sumptious amounts of scotch may have had something to do with eliminating any unwanted critters, but not having had a drink for several years, has not changed anything however. Still drinking the water and healthy as the proverbial ox.:P

CaboRon - 8-7-2008 at 12:35 PM

I have found that bathing in Scotch can be very expensive....

Especially if (as I do) you prefer the single malt variety.

CaboRon

Cypress - 8-7-2008 at 12:42 PM

vandenburg, :spingrin: Yea, drank some tap water, thought maybe I'd come down with the "break back" fever. Reamed me out big time.:tumble: They say you acquire an immunity to the water. One dose of whatever I had is enough.:lol:

longlegsinlapaz - 8-7-2008 at 01:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Have been drinking tap water since the 80's. First in Tripui and since the early 90's here in Nopolo. Never had any detrimental effects. Water at Tripui was actually sweet and very good tasting. Adding sumptious amounts of scotch may have had something to do with eliminating any unwanted critters, but not having had a drink for several years, has not changed anything however. Still drinking the water and healthy as the proverbial ox.:P


Okay, so when I finish this casa & if I ever throw a bash, it looks like I either only invite Vandenberg:lol:...OR I tell everyone else to bring their own ice, because my ice/water in the door refrigerator is plumbed to my cistern & has been in each of the 3 homes I've built here. That's nearly 10 years of drinking the water...and, like Vandenberg, I too, must come from sturdy pioneer stock, because I'm alive to tell about it. Neither myself, nor anyone I've served water or ice to in my home has ever gotten sick. Scotch would be a pollutant in my book!:bounce:

Granted, my cistern isn't subject to external source contamination! Unless you count the time I caught a worker diving in it in his skivies:O:no: to retrieve something he'd dropped on the bottom! But I made sure it was washed down with bleach & we used 3 loads of water for construction before I used it for personal consumption!:lol::lol::lol:

sanluquëna - 8-7-2008 at 01:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Yea, drank some tap water, thought They say you acquire an immunity to the water. One dose of whatever I had is enough.:lol:


In Spanish they call it "anticuerpos".

Bob and Susan - 8-7-2008 at 01:25 PM

vandenberg
you NEED this
install under the sink
$80 usa

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sediment-Ceramic-Carbon-MicroFilter-Wate...

its for particulate removal
turbidity reduction
removal of cysts
Cryptosporidium
Giardia Cysts
Entamoeba
Toxoplasma Cysts
EColi

and ...you don't want these in your body:O:O

filter.jpg - 5kB

vandenberg - 8-7-2008 at 01:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
vandenberg
you NEED this
install under the sink
$80 usa

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sediment-Ceramic-Carbon-MicroFilter-Wate...

its for particulate removal
turbidity reduction
removal of cysts
Cryptosporidium
Giardia Cysts
Entamoeba
Toxoplasma Cysts
EColi

and ...you don't want these in your body:O:O


Since we have 2 kitchens and 4 bathrooms and an outside sink, this would be too "dear".:P Besides, my intestines apparently take care of me.:biggrin:

Diver - 8-7-2008 at 03:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
This is a forum for public discussion about Baja... Not a place to confirm if your tap water can be harmful... I am still waiting for Cabo Ron to say if he meant harmful to drink or not.


So now you are deciding what issues can be discussed on Nomads ?
The subject was BAJA so what the F are you talking about ?
You said the water would be "harmless". You didn't say it would be harmless for some things and not for others. This was a very irresponsible statement to make.

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
If you need to know if your tap water is 'harmful', then please do more than ask on an Internet forum where nobody can see, or test your water.


Another after-thought that you did not express except in you post-comment justification. I guess you should put a tag line on your avatar that says, "If you want a real answer, don't listen to me"

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Cloudy, turbid water (happens when water comes from a lake or river after a storm) is just water with more dirt floating in it.


You take your idiotic statement even further by attempting an uninformed justification above. Do you think someone cleans and disinfects all those little dirt particles before they get into the water ?

JR used to push your buttons regularly simply becasue they are so easy to push. Your reactions to any accusation, no matter how small ALWAYS obtains the same reaction. You have learned nothing in all your years on Nomads and other boards about human interaction and communication skills.

Lets see, I predict DK will .....

David K - 8-7-2008 at 09:56 PM

Wow Diver... and my responses are so easy to gauge because I am the oldest Nomad here, after our founder, Doug... What I can't figure is why you need to be so un-nice... so often... What is it Debra says... 'mean people suck'?

You and those few who like to give me a hard time have had 6 years and 15,000 posts to study... Yet, with all your unkindness, I am still ready to offer help or information to any or all of you... Through group activities mine or others (Viva Baja, BBBB, Pyramid Booksignings, Mexico Expo, etc.) and my photo postings, we have had the chance to know each other better and become personal friends too... So, cut me some slack please... I am not trying to do anything but make Nomad a more useful and friendly place...

I had experience with cloudy water after storms, just as Ron stated, and the water was not harmful when I experienced those conditions... that's it, okay boss?

Diver - 8-7-2008 at 10:53 PM

I am NOT your boss !
And I am not part of the gang of DK haters.
I am an occassional DK basher when bashing is due.

I U2'd you once that you might consider the amount of flack you receive and the number of folks that you receive it from.
Consider that all these folks may not be making up their perceptions of you.
Consider that perhaps it is you who could alter their manner to correct these perceptions.
Consider...., oh nevermind.
But I do know that you have been contacted by many, many, many Nomads in the past who have tried to explain the same concept to you - to no avail.
How do I know ? They have told me and sent me copies of their U2s to you.

Now lets all see if DK can possibly NOT have the last word - wanna bet ? :lol:

Diver - 8-7-2008 at 11:03 PM

What is unkind, anyway ??

Is it unkind to tell someone that the water is shallow when it's deep ?
Is it unkind to tell someone that the ice is thin before they fall through ?
Is it unkind to tell someone that cloudy water is unharmfull ?
Is it unkind not to admit when you're wrong ?
Oooo, that's a good place to stop. :lol:

OK DK, I am done.
Try not to hurt yourself. :lol:

[Edited on 8-8-2008 by Diver]

vandenberg - 8-8-2008 at 06:49 AM

.....and Ron.....
is the water still cloudy....:?::?::biggrin:

CaboRon - 8-8-2008 at 07:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
.....and Ron.....
is the water still cloudy....:?::?::biggrin:


It is gradually clearing up ... still a little cloudy .... now it looks about what my water in Orange County did.

I didn't drink that either :lol:

CaboRon