BajaNomad - Doug, thanks for the cleanup

Doug, thanks for the cleanup

thebajarunner - 8-18-2008 at 05:13 PM

Yesterday there was a bit of a "dust-up" here over a post that I found offensive and profane.
I requested, nicely, that the author might want to clean it up a bit, which got me a load of scorn from several.
Surely that would have been the easy solution, short of that a brief discussion with Doug and the thread was brought into conformity of the rules of the board.
Lately the board has seriously slipped into realms that many of us original folk never thought we would see. Sad to say.
And, even sadder, many of our really quality posting partners have simply checked out.... do a little sleuthing and you will note the good quality folk who are missing.
Let's hope that the negatives and the sniping, and the really low quality of some posting can be eliminated.
Speaking of elimination, am I the only one that is offended by posts which have vivid color renderings of piles of feces?
Is this really something that we want cluttering up our site?
Just wondering....

David K - 8-18-2008 at 05:42 PM

The focus needs to be on Baja or Baja Nomad members... Baja is the reason people joined this forum and then many of us have made friendships from the association.

With events of the past year and economic slowdown for some, Baja trips have been fewer than in the past... perhaps why less trip reports or stories of interest?

In their place people have been posting 'news stories' that either are quite negative, have nearly nothing to do with Baja travel/ destinations, or are not about Baja at all.

A few of us have been guilty of posting non-Baja photos, but as long as they are of quality and interest or involve Nomads... little harm I hope is done... like sharing an event with a family member... and we all love Ken Bondy's underwater photos no matter what ocean they were taken in!

To keep the Baja interest alive, on my part... I have added stuff to spur interest in Baja's historic past or to encourage travel south with links to my photos of interesting sites.

The important thing is to keep it as positive and happy as possible, I think. Sure, if we personally know of a negative event and want to warn our fellow Nomads... great and thanks! But to post stories about drug cartel crimes in other parts of Mexico... just what is it you want to happen to the people of Baja with that stuff? They benefit from our trips south... will repeated bad news about Mexico help the people of Baja?

Here was our last trip to Baja... and some photos from the previous year's trip to the same spot, plus links: http://vivabaja.com/508

tsgarcia69 - 8-18-2008 at 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
And, even sadder, many of our really quality posting partners have simply checked out.... do a little sleuthing and you will note the good quality folk who are missing.

Well, without doing an exit survey to find out why those quality posting partners checked out, I don't see how you can draw any conclusions as to why they left.

There are a whole gamut of alternative theories, such as maybe they left because every time they came here the lights were on but nobody was home...if you get my drift. Or, they left because they became disillusioned with the Baja myth.

You need to add some empirical evidence to support your claims. Correlation does not imply causality.

fishbuck - 8-18-2008 at 05:50 PM

We had a thread like this last week. It doesn't get better. Doug eventually locked that one. I say lock this now before there are 10 pages of this. DavidK's post is nice but the other 2 are just more down hill drivel.

gnukid - 8-18-2008 at 05:56 PM

You decide that its not okay for them to post images but then you post descriptions? You are a hypocrite. You not only resurrected the post you claimed to be offended by you drag the whole thing out of context. Could you please be more considerate to the original posters ad to others like me who are offended by gross descriptions as much as hypocritical crap?

Stickers - 8-18-2008 at 06:01 PM

Ditto Fishbuck, let them take it elsewhere.

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Sure, lock it up, delete

Bajajack - 8-18-2008 at 06:06 PM

everything you personally find offensive, censor every topic. Just feed us what you think we should be reading, the truth doesn't matter as long as it's not offensive to a privileged few. :fire:

CaboRon - 8-18-2008 at 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Bajajack
everything you personally find offensive, censor every topic. Just feed us what you think we should be reading, the truth doesn't matter as long as it's not offensive to a privileged few. :fire:

News is News .... and must be posted ... it is neither positive or negative to post the truth.

FREEDOM OF SPEACH IS THE BASIS OF OUR GREAT AMERICA ...NOT WIMPS

CaboRon

k-rico - 8-18-2008 at 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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News is News .... and must be posted ... it is neither positive or negative to post the truth.

FREEDOM OF SPEACH IS THE BASIS OF OUR GREAT AMERICA ...NOT WIMPS

CaboRon

hehehe, you crack me up. How is life in Pueblo Magico anyway?

Duh, this is not People's Park at Berkeley. It's a message board, run by a private citizen who can decide what he wants and what he doesn't. Just like any newspaper, magazine, TV station, radio station, etc. The owners decide what is said.

palmeto99 - 8-18-2008 at 07:20 PM

I agree, Lets let Doug decide and not some pompous know it all who seems to think she runs the board herself.
The problem with the board these days is that all the old school "original members" have no consideration for any new posters.
I can not stand redundant road reports and plant or critter ID but never say to censure them. Same goes for pictures of anything from dogs to kids to the meal of the week .
I want real info and real reports on the dangers now lurking for Baja and Mexican travel as I drive up and down every month. Those who would shut this info down are fools.
If this offends. Do not read it.

The board is as vibrant and as healthy as its ever been. :cool:

Udo - 8-18-2008 at 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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News is News .... and must be posted ... it is neither positive or negative to post the truth.

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FREEDOM OF SPEACH IS THE BASIS OF OUR GREAT AMERICA ...NOT WIMPS

CaboRon

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I could be wrong, Ron, but from my understanding, you are not in America, and freedom of speech is much curtailed all over Mexico. You are living in a different country, and you can't claim righteous Americanism. If you want freedom of speech in Mexico, you'll probably find it at the U.S. Emabassy.
I could be wrong on this one too, but the board appears to be published in Mexico, somewhere in the central time zone. This I presume is so because the board's time clock is one hour later than Pacific Time. Either that, or the time change never took effect on the board's computer. AND, I will humbly stand corrected if told differently by the board's senior members.

Sallysouth - 8-18-2008 at 07:37 PM

Gee palmeto99, so all you want to have on this board is "real reports and dangers for Baja and Mexican travel'? Surely there is some other board that is more to your liking than this. I'm all for your wanted info, but this board is about all the "other" subjects you seem to have a problem with.,as well.As you said, if you are offended, don't read.In the meantime, we will continue to share our experiences and love for Baja and plants, critters, dogs,and even food,as long as this board shall live!!It's about life in Baja, and it is all that and more.

palmeto99 - 8-18-2008 at 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by Sallysouth
Gee palmeto99, so all you want to have on this board is "real reports and dangers for Baja and Mexican travel'? Surely there is some other board that is more to your liking than this. I'm all for your wanted info, but this board is about all the "other" subjects you seem to have a problem with.,as well.As you said, if you are offended, don't read.In the meantime, we will continue to share our experiences and love for Baja and plants, critters, dogs,and even food,as long as this board shall live!!It's about life in Baja, and it is all that and more.

Where did I say that the board should not have the subjects you speak about. Please do not misquote me. :cool:

shari - 8-18-2008 at 07:49 PM

I have heard LOTS of nomads, new and old comment they are not happy with the direction the board has taken over the last couple months. It is not so much the negative news stories but the flaming insults and personal attacks that follow. Most people just do not want to take the chance of being insulted or attacked and many newer nomads are just plain intimidated by the agressive "newbies".

News is fine, and important as it pertains to baja travel & living. But IMHO all the narco violence news gets old and now if we open up this baja board to ANY mexican news...well it may get overwhelming as some new members are hell bent on only posting only these items.

The sad thing is that these members who are intimidated and have thrown in the towel...they wont post to defend their views for fear of retribution.
Thus we are getting a one sided view of the direction the board has taken...from the news hounds newbies prospective.
For those who wish to keep abreast of all the bad mexican news, I suggest perhaps you subscribe to another forum and get your fill.

Or, if it truly is the wish of the majority of members and the owner...maybe the peace, love and fish tacos needs revising to a new mantra and I'll just go to the beach.

This board is not IMHO as vibrant and healthy as it has ever been and it's sad to see so many nomad amigos retreating.

This comment/observation/opinion is not meant to be pompous and I do not wish to run the board...but am simply providing another prospective and opinion since that is what seems to be happening in this thread.

palmeto99 - 8-18-2008 at 07:54 PM

Please name any members who have quit and turned in their membership in the last few months.
If you are going to make a sweeping comment like you just did,you need to back it up with facts and not just an emotional outburst.
Name the members who have quit. :cool:

Acuity - 8-18-2008 at 07:55 PM

Shari - I agree. It's just not much fun (or as useful) anymore

Sallysouth - 8-18-2008 at 07:56 PM

Oh sorry palmeto99, I did misspeak.You said you" could not stand redundant road reports and plant or critter ID.Same goes for dogs to kids to meal of the week" Better? Many people love to hear/read about these subjects that are so very much a part of our lives in Baja.

palmeto99 - 8-18-2008 at 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by palmeto99
I agree, Lets let Doug decide and not some pompous know it all who seems to think she runs the board herself.
The problem with the board these days is that all the old school "original members" have no consideration for any new posters.
I can not stand redundant road reports and plant or critter ID but never say to censure them. Same goes for pictures of anything from dogs to kids to the meal of the week .
I want real info and real reports on the dangers now lurking for Baja and Mexican travel as I drive up and down every month. Those who would shut this info down are fools.
If this offends. Do not read it.

The board is as vibrant and as healthy as its ever been. :cool:

Here is what I said so you can not twist it .
I would also never attempt to censure was the jest of it .
Sally, If you want to get the respect of those you so despise here. Please try to tell the truth. :cool:

tsgarcia69 - 8-18-2008 at 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by palmeto99
Please name any members who have quit and turned in their membership in the last few months.
If you are going to make a sweeping comment like you just did,you need to back it up with facts and not just an emotional outburst.
Name the members who have quit. :cool:

Unknown to Shari and a few others who tend to deal with their own personal perceptions as if they are realities, there are ways to prove that Shari, and others who agree with her, are dead wrong. There is a little secret place on the internet that gives those who know where to look the real numbers. The activity on the Baja Nomads message board has increased steadily over the past three years. There is absolutely no indication of any dropping off of members or activity. Here are some figures, based upon a snapshot in time:

11/20/2005 - 71.39 posts per day
10/24/2006 - 87.55 posts per day
8/23/2007 - 107.49 posts per day
8/18/2008 - 125.21 posts per day

11/20/2005 - 7.97 replies per thread
10/24/2006 - 8.76 replies per thread
8/23/2007 - 9.92 replies per thread
8/18/2008 - 10.78 replies per thread

As you can see, posting activity has increased 16% over the past year, and 75% over the past 2-3/4 years. I am sure that the board owner can verify these figures, they come from his own records.

palmeto99 - 8-18-2008 at 08:24 PM

Thank you for an informed post and not an emotional outburst.

:cool:

Sallysouth - 8-18-2008 at 08:39 PM

palmetto, I have no idea what you are talking about.I dispise no one here or anywhere. Sounds like you need a vacation! :yes:

Marie-Rose - 8-18-2008 at 08:57 PM

I for one have also been disappointed recently with the content of the board but
keep checking as I have seen this trend several times over the years. I check
for news from the posters I have relied on for great stories and information and
ignore the others.
I have made some fabulous friends thru this forum and hope to meet more...
and... thanks Doug for the clean-up!!!! :biggrin:

amir - 8-18-2008 at 09:12 PM

Very interesting... very interesting...

I didn't quit. Sometimes I lurk and I spend more "social" time on Nomad when my sweetie is away. But it is very time consuming to keep up with a bunch of cyber-friends on different threads.

What I don't understand about all the complaining is that this Nomad board has many topics with many threads. Why aren't people more selective where they click? It's like going to a big mall, having a good time, then complaining because there was an Army Recruiter, or an Adult Toy Shop, or a Christian Reading Room. Don't go where you MIGHT be offended.
And if you get offended by an inadvertent post, please MOVE ON! Don't give it any more energy...

I personally did get tired of stabbing attacks by the neo-cons. What offended ME the most were the attacks on people solely on their age, and the more advanced and feeble the poster, the nastier and meaner and really disgusting were the attacks. To me it was heart-breaking - these old-timers had a lot to offer but they were bullied off. Why should anyone have to constantly defend themselves from ad hominim (sic) attacks?

I put a lot of creative energy into my posts. It takes (me, anyway) time to articulate thoughts and ideas intelligently and then to type them and to edit them. I love the literary exercise, but my free time only comes in spurts, and I rather take my muse where we feel less threatened...

BajaNomad is a wonderful site with tons of good information for all kinds of people with a multitude of special interests in Baja. It is an encyclopedic archived source for many subjects interested by Baja lovers (and not-so-lovers) and travelers from all walks of life. I have come here sometimes to be entertained and sometimes to ask questions about Baja and have received incredibly wonderful replies and information. It's a fun place to share photos taken by unknown (to me) people who take pictures of the same things I do! Go figure! I give Nomad my full support and KUDOS!

--Amir

danaeb - 8-18-2008 at 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by palmeto99

The board is as vibrant and as healthy as its ever been. :cool:

That would be since 7/15/2008 when you registered?

Sharksbaja - 8-18-2008 at 09:51 PM

:lol:

(snipe snipe)

cbuzzetti - 8-18-2008 at 09:58 PM

I never posted alot and have only been around a couple of years. I am mostly a lurker.

The board has become alot less friendly this year with way too many personal attacks. IMHO

I visit less often and get less joy from my visits.

I still love Baja. And this is still a great place for information. Just not what it used to be. Too bad.

I prefered it the old way.

BajaBuzz

vivaloha - 8-18-2008 at 10:47 PM

chipping in here with fellow mellow-cats who love the baja fun...

let's strive for some positivity and joy of the baja lifestyle...
when a person googles this site, it says "Peace, love and fish tacos"...
that's groovy stuff...let's keep it happy and cool on the board...

sure, there's bad news out there but oh well...

i'm logging in to mention, newbies or oldbies, or inbetweenbies please
let's not try to offend other members - let's do like Rodney King said,
"Let's just all get along"...The board is more fun when the members
work together, like a harmonious team or happy family-

once again, "Peace, Love and fish tacos"

Vivaloha

thebajarunner

longlegsinlapaz - 8-18-2008 at 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thebajarunner
Yesterday there was a bit of a "dust-up" here over a post that I found offensive and profane.
I requested, nicely, that the author might want to clean it up a bit, which got me a load of scorn from several.
Surely that would have been the easy solution, short of that a brief discussion with Doug and the thread was brought into conformity of the rules of the board.
Lately the board has seriously slipped into realms that many of us original folk never thought we would see. Sad to say.
And, even sadder, many of our really quality posting partners have simply checked out.... do a little sleuthing and you will note the good quality folk who are missing.
Let's hope that the negatives and the sniping, and the really low quality of some posting can be eliminated.
Speaking of elimination, am I the only one that is offended by posts which have vivid color renderings of piles of feces?
Is this really something that we want cluttering up our site?
Just wondering....

You are definitely NOT ALONE in feeling that a lot of posts have been offensive & profane lately. Nor are you alone in not wanting to see all the irritating (IMHO) graphics!

You're right that a lot of the good posters have gotten off this bus!! The posting stats are irrelevant as a guide to whether posters are old-timers (reference to membership longevity, NOT members age!!), newbies, or banned people with new & multiple identities.

The bottom line is the entire flavor of the board is permeated by offensive, profane & negative posts. I can live with the bad news posts, what I have a problem with is all the name-calling, personal attacks, offensive language & negativity. A pleasant thread will be started & going along well & then some rabble-rouser just HAS to make a post to ruin it for many!

Don't tell me not to read posts that might offend me, personally, it's the language & choice of words of a few posters that offends me...NOT the original topic. Not everyone uses or appreciates foul language; some actually find it offensive. It that so hard a concept for a few to grasp?

I don't think it has anything to do with the anonymity...I think a rude, crude, disrespectful rabble-rouser is going to act the same in any setting!

So few are ruining the site for so many! Please go find a new sandbox to post your animated piles of excrement in...verbal & graphic!

vgabndo - 8-18-2008 at 11:19 PM

To respond to a question above, I remember when we used to hear a lot of good stuff from folks like Aldo and Jesse in La Paz, and Don Jorge, JZ, Jerry, Franko, Baja Rich, Cindarouh, Slowmad, and cincodemayo. It has been months since we had the pleasure of their input. Many, I judge, are lurking...silently.

I've had a lot of trouble on this site because I used to let myself be dragged into the muck slinging. I'm proud to say I haven't posted on the off-topic in well over a year! I hope a change in my behavior has been obvious.

I am also honored to have coined the phrase "Peace, Love and Fish Tacos" in my signature years ago, and was proud to have Doug ask to use it. THAT is my ideal of the way this board could go.

Perhaps many of the folks who have made a negative name for themselves here recently, other than the ones who came here from there, don't know about and could be better served at: http://www.baja.net. There is a place for every taste on the WWW. :lol:

palmeto99 - 8-19-2008 at 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by danaeb

Quote:

Originally posted by palmeto99

The board is as vibrant and as healthy as its ever been. :cool:

That would be since 7/15/2008 when you registered?

Are some of you refering to personal attacks like this or would you call it sniping.

I have lurked on this board for many years but only started posting when I saw many of the "regulars" sniping at a new member (fulano) for wanting to post real news. I did not like the ganging up I saw and entered the fray based on that.
The double standard is alive and well as the sniping from the regulars as we call those members has proven here.
There is one thing for sure though, myself and many others who disagree with with some of you are not going away nor will we stop posting the real news of Mexico as some of us require this info in our dealing with Mexico.
And for those of you who do not know. I have had a home in Baja for 18 years and lived here full time for 10 years.
Lighten up people, change happens to everything and there is nothing you can do about it but change yourself.

:coolup:

[Edited on 8-19-2008 by palmeto99]

oxxo - 8-19-2008 at 07:22 AM

This thread is a microcosm of the things people are complaining about the Board as a whole.....flames, insults, misquotations, arrogance, gum-flapping, off-topic, etc. Very interesting!

We have met the enemy and it is US.

[Edited on 8-19-2008 by oxxo]

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-19-2008 at 07:30 AM

[Edited on 8-19-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

rob - 8-19-2008 at 08:50 AM

tsgarcia69 - that flattens the argument that Bajanomads is dying! But where is your POST QUALITY INDEX?

Before someone (inevitably, complete with offensive graphics) takes that seriously, I wanted to support a point previously made - that 13 people gunned down in Creel IS important to me and those Nomads I discussed it with last night.

Copper Canyon is a place where many of us Paceños go (and love) - this news DOES affect Baja, however peripherally. No need to dwell on external matters, this is not the place - but the news itself was on-point.

David K - 8-19-2008 at 09:03 AM

Hi Rob,

Is there no forum for mainland Mexico or Copper Canyon to check on events there? I am sure there are people who live in Baja who may be interested in events in British Columbia, too... My concern is the ton of bad news from mainland Mexico affecting the positive roll Baja Nomad would otherwise have on Baja travel. Nomad has been diluted by so much negative news... and that can't be what most of us come here for, can it?

Perhaps you can request a non-Baja news forum from Doug? I am still waiting for a non-Baja trip reports forum! :lol:

CaboRon - 8-19-2008 at 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oxxo
This thread is a microcosm of the things people are complaining about the Board as a whole.....flames, insults, misquotations, arrogance, gum-flapping, off-topic, etc. Very interesting!

We have met the enemy and it is US.

[Edited on 8-19-2008 by oxxo]

Let's pick on the Off Topic Nomads.

Lee - 8-19-2008 at 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
I've had a lot of trouble on this site because I used to let myself be dragged into the muck slinging. I'm proud to say I haven't posted on the off-topic in well over a year! I hope a change in my behavior has been obvious.

I am sometimes puzzled as to why the subject of ''Off Topic'' is dragged into a discussion -- as if it has been a ''bad habit'' akin to ''kicking a drug habit''.

Why would anyone here be PROUD for NOT having posted to Off Top in a year?

For those wanting spirited debate, and sling mud from time to time, Off Topic serves a purpose. Unlike the Regular Forum, it's perfectly acceptable, at Off Topic, to hijack threads, name call, have biased and opinionated POVs, and alot more.

Lots of people transition between both forums without trouble.

Don't use Off Topic as a baseline for something it is not. This forum is as viable and useful as the ''other'' Forum. For those ''afraid'' to join in at OT, the fear is in your head. We're all Nomads and love tacos. Except for those masquerading as Nomads. They eat something else.

Iflyfish - 8-19-2008 at 10:26 AM

I got involved on this board with a posting on Cultural Differences Ain't They Interesting as a direct attempt to both encourage discussion of cultural differences and to reframe these discussions in a positive way. I had seen the flames and ad hominum arguments and personal attacks that in my view really get in the way of legitimate and useful dialogue. It has been a few years now and again the flames, personal attacks and ad hominum arguments emerge. I have concluded that this is cyclical and that it simply reflects the fact that this group is comprised of individuals, some of whom are not very articulate nor sophisticated in how they express themselves. I also believe that this mirrors the general population who are not interested in either researching a subject in depth and are interested in simple solutions to complex problems. I see this same dynamic happening in the US elections this year. Obama presents complex, nuanced answers to questions and looks like an intellectual snob beside the "straight talker" who gives simple answers to complex problems. The populace has been conditioned by TV to bypass their intellect and to respond on a visceral level: Like/Don't Like and we are stuck with the results. Same with this board.

Iflyfishwhennotwaxinglongwinded

Whew!!! A real composite of response

thebajarunner - 8-19-2008 at 11:01 AM

Thanks to all who have privately contacted me and discussed the current state of affairs at Nomad, both in U2U and in email.
And thanks to the encouraging comments above, as well.
The responses clearly show that many of us are saddened and that some still don't get it (or don't care)
Personally, I don't get stressed about which topics get aired, bring it on.
Just keep the personal stuff and the nasty stuff to yourself.
Several have demanded their "rights"
You don't get it do you?
Only Doug has "rights" on this board,
All others have "privilege" and privilege can be revoked.
Buy a ticket, go to a ball game, get drunk and shout obscenities- you will be escorted from the stadium, possibly in handcuffs, and you won't get a refund, and you won't be welcome to come back.
Nomad is like that. You may not like it, that is how it is.
Number of posts increasing????
I would hope so, when I joined I was #357, today #7646 signed up. That is 21.4 times as many members.
I would assume that the post numbers would go up.
(Especially when some members love to respond to all posts with a quick click of the smiley faces, sure does build the post count, doesn't it?)
And, will I tell you who I know is gone?
Nope!!
If you cannot figure that out you are not a very serious Nomad.
One is so obvious it hurts, because he was a very articulate, clever and frequent contributor, at many levels. Poetic and otherwise.
Like someone up here just said, in the words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

comitan - 8-19-2008 at 11:37 AM

I have to disagree that this flameing is cyclical, I personally attribute it to the state of our nation which everyone understands and is totally different than we have experienced before and I think this has added to the temperament of a lot of people in the US. Simple answers from a simple mind.

[Edited on 8-19-2008 by comitan]

Pescador - 8-19-2008 at 12:14 PM

It is very convenient to try to sabotage the issue on the basis of freedom of expression and lack of censorship, but Bajarunner did a great job of identifying the real issue. It is not important that someone chooses to post all of the news stories from Baja Norte or even that the person who has chosen to do that acts pretty much the same even though the name keeps changing, it is more a simple issue of the fact that common decency and polite discourse have eroded to name calling, intimidation, and cyber-bullying. It used to be that even though people came from different ends of the spectrum, they still seemed to be able to communicate those differences in a manner that still showed respect for the other person. If this type of discourse were to happen with any social group like an orginization or a family, it would be easy to characterize the interactions as socially and emotionally disfunctional.
In the past I was able to read topics that held interest for me and for the most part it was a postive experience and I logged off feeling a little more positive for the interaction. Lately that seems impossible as a few bad apples have taken it upon themselves to permeate almost all topics with a negativity that has been commented upon by numerous posters. It is a simple matter that when the negatives outweigh the positives then I for one will spend my time elsewhere, but I can not help but feel the loss for something that I used to find enjoyable. Perhaps that is the ultimate payoff for the negative posters and trolls and their one chance to feel empowered. It is sure a shame that a few can change things for the worse but I guess in the long run that is their choice.

Yes, we can all choose.

Sharksbaja - 8-19-2008 at 12:48 PM

"I guess in the long run that is their choice."

I actually think it's their mission.

Why should I have to tolerate someone telling lies about me?

Why should I have to put up with someone dissing my business?

Why should I have to defend our little town?

Why should I have to put up with personal insults and inuendo?

Just not my idea of entertainment.

I guess it's a way for some to get attention. Well, it worked.

The Sculpin - 8-19-2008 at 01:40 PM

I am the 24th registered member of Nomads. As far as I can tell, there are only 6 members that have registered before me that still post. One is my good buddy Skeet-er-doodle-do, and the other is DavidK. I have never met either one. There are a whole cr@p load that have registered after me. Some good, most not, and a few that are exemplary. So what. Groups come and go, personalities change, stay the same and then die. Life goes on. I used to be quite active. As more people showed up, I got less active. As more people showed up, I got peeed off. I found there was a direct correlation between the number of registered users on Nomads and the amount of people who visit baja. So now I lurk. Sometimes I surface. Sometimes it's to "right a wrong", sometimes it's to offer perspective, sometimes it's to be sarcastic. Lately the sarcastic thing doesn't seem to go over all that well. My take is that Baja is getting saturated, and just as overcrowded rats start turning on each other, so do nomads. Overall, it's fairly amusing, just as it was in it's infancy. By the way, I discovered a peice of heaven this summer - 16 deg 15'77.44S by 151 deg 49'09.26"W. You wouldn't believe the fish in this lagoon - divers paradise!! To me, that's the new baja!

Cypress - 8-19-2008 at 02:31 PM

The Sculpin, Your new piece of paradise is well off the beaten path. Hope it remains just as it is now and you can continue to enjoy it. :bounce:

Skeet/Loreto - 8-19-2008 at 02:38 PM

After being Deleted for a Week, giving up on the Off Topic over a year ago, and gettin insulted just about everytime I Posted, I Skeet/Loreto have after serious Thought decided that I am wasteing my time. I will not ever quit but I am going to take a Leave of Absence for at least a Year, then come back and see if this board has inproved or has gone into the Drain>

Thanks Doug for putting up with me.

I could still whip some of these Punks with one arm tied behing my Back. Even if I am 77 years Young!!
Skeet/Loreto

Talking Whimps!!

Cypress - 8-19-2008 at 02:56 PM

Skeet?Loreto, :spingrin:

Keep on swinging, even with one arm tied behind your back, expect you pack a mighty powerful punch. :bounce:

Iflyfish - 8-19-2008 at 02:57 PM

Comitan, I think you are right. The flaming has always been here and the discourse in America has dummied down in our life time. I appreciate your perspective.

Iflyfish

tsgarcia69 - 8-19-2008 at 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Hi Rob,

Is there no forum for mainland Mexico or Copper Canyon to check on events there?

I'm curious David. Do you normally go onto message boards owned by others and suggest that posters go post somewhere else?

fishbuck - 8-19-2008 at 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
After being Deleted for a Week, giving up on the Off Topic over a year ago, and gettin insulted just about everytime I Posted, I Skeet/Loreto have after serious Thought decided that I am wasteing my time. I will not ever quit but I am going to take a Leave of Absence for at least a Year, then come back and see if this board has inproved or has gone into the Drain>

Thanks Doug for putting up with me.

I could still whip some of these Punks with one arm tied behing my Back. Even if I am 77 years Young!!
Skeet/Loreto

Talking Whimps!!

That a boy Skeets! You hang in there!

[Edited on 8-19-2008 by fishbuck]

mtgoat666 - 8-19-2008 at 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Sculpin
By the way, I discovered a peice of heaven this summer - 16 deg 15'77.44S by 151 deg 49'09.26"W. You wouldn't believe the fish in this lagoon - divers paradise!! To me, that's the new baja!

Those coordinates definitely ain't Baja-related. Please keep on topic :lol:

Bob and Susan - 8-19-2008 at 05:19 PM

where in the world is the sculpin :light:

fishbuck - 8-19-2008 at 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob and Susan
where in the world is the sculpin :light:

I'm game to dive and fish it but man that is going to be one long panga ride!!! :lol:

A very poignant response

thebajarunner - 8-19-2008 at 08:07 PM

Ahem, back to the subject at hand...

I received this U2U an hour ago, and I will not divulge the sender nor his location. But, he is a great guy and has been a great asset to this board, and he also is gone....

"Thanks Dick for your comments re: the current status of the Board. I used to suggest to folks to go to Nomads for Baja info, but surely would not now. The usefulness of the board is gone, folks that knew Baja won't post anymore. I have been on since the inception, the Amigos board before, yet now I rarely check Nomads as it is pathetic how it has become a playground for people with a different agenda than Baja. To me it is a loss. I will continue to spend my winters in ********, 4 wheeling to missions and Visitas and other interesting sites. I just won't try to share on this Board. Now I see Skeet has bailed (don't blame him after Ron and others ridiculed him). I do check Fred's board daily and thankfully his is carefully moderated. Again, appreciate you standing up for reason and consideration of others. Keep enjoying Baja (and I assume, backpacking). If you get to "(deleted from here- too personal)

I am going to miss him, he was/is a treasure...

fishbuck - 8-19-2008 at 08:13 PM

Look everybody, if you want to leave then go! If you want to stay then stay!
Quit your complaining. If there are things you like on here, enjoy them. If there is something you don't like , then avoid it.
Please stop telling everyone what to do. I don't like all the negative news stories etc. but I'm not loosing any sleep over it.
I said earlier that this type of thread is nothing but whiney drivel and that's exactly want it has turned into.
Doug please put this thread out of it's misery already.
Enough!

[Edited on 8-20-2008 by fishbuck]

OUCH!! Is the shoe fitting too tightly???

thebajarunner - 8-19-2008 at 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fishbuck
Look everybody, if you want to leave then go! If you want to stay then stay!
Quit your complaining. If there is things you like on here, enjoy them. If there is something you don't like , then avoid it.
Please stop telling everyone what to do. I don't like all the negative news stories etc. but I'm not loosing any sleep over it.
I said earlier that this type of thread is nothing but whiney drivel and that's exactly want it has turned into.
Doug please put this thread out of it's misery already.
Enough!

All I can say is...

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-19-2008 at 08:21 PM

fishbuck - 8-19-2008 at 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thebajarunner
OUCH!! Is the shoe fitting too tightly???

Quote:

I don't know what you mean by that and I don't really care either.
This entire thread, started by you, was pointless and had nothing to do with Baja.
I guess there was a thead, it didn't meet the rules, you reported it, and it got deleted. End of story.
So what!
I guess we are all proud of you for doing it. Personally I wouldn't have wasted my precious time, as I am doing now responding to you.
But I will again request that this thread die and ask each Nomad to please refrain from posting "This is what is wrong with the Nomad board" type threads.
As I said previously, try to be nice to each other and tolerant of each other.
Just as Baja is different things to different people so is this board.

[Edited on 8-20-2008 by fishbuck]

BajaGringo - 8-19-2008 at 09:15 PM

Most of us here do not have a problem with the news stories from the newer, member(s). How many new member(s) there really is/are is difficult to say as I suspect that there is obviously one personality at least logging on under different names who even responds to their own posts. If you look at the style, times logging in, etc it becomes pretty obvious.

As far as that goes I figure anyone suffering with multiple personality disorder has an even bigger problem so I could care less if they leave or stay.

The bigger point to me and others who have stated so, is that offering a different opinion/point of view is not an invitation to be immediately blindsided with some of the rudest / off the wall comments and behavior I have seen on message boards. At that point I think a line is crossed. I don't need forum rules or guidelines to know that - proper upbringing and common decency has taught me so. To me it has nothing to do with whether you joined in 2002 or yesterday. Common courtesy is just that and when one fears posting based on the lack of that courtesy many will and do choose to discontinue participating.

We can discuss even this issue in civil terms but please stop trying to make it an issue between wanting to hear news or not hear it. It has much more to do with just common courtesy and respect we show others who don't share our opinion or viewpoint of that news.

Lighten up folks...

PS And have a nice day!

[Edited on 8-20-2008 by BajaGringo]

tsgarcia69 - 8-19-2008 at 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thebajarunner
I received this U2U an hour ago, and I will not divulge the sender nor his location. But, he is a great guy and has been a great asset to this board, and he also is gone....

Is there some reason why you keep posting this apocryphal information on nameless posters who have left? The board statistics show that board participation has grown steadily. People come, people go.

Come to terms.

larry - 8-20-2008 at 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tsgarcia69
The board statistics show that board participation has grown steadily. People come, people go.

Come to terms.

The raw figures may seem to indicate this, but if you dig a little in the member list, you will find that a very large percentage of those listed as recently signed up members are really people attempting to post spam on the site. They are registered, their websites are related to internet drug sales, etc, and they never post after registering.

I think one could conclude that the actual number of real new members is much smaller that what shows up in the membership list.

Cypress - 8-20-2008 at 12:43 PM

This is an enjoyable, informative family-type forum. :yes:

Negativity? Positivity? Null and void? Offensive? :?:

Hurt feelings? We can all agree to disagree without getting X-rated or insulting. :yes:

BajaGringo - 8-20-2008 at 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
This is an enjoyable, informative family-type forum. :yes:

Negativity? Positivity? Null and void? Offensive? :?:

Hurt feelings? We can all agree to disagree without getting X-rated or insulting. :yes:

Right on. It would be boring if we all agreed all the time.

Let's just be civil about it and the membership of active/posting members will grow. Might even attract some of the old members back who have dropped off of late...

TacoFeliz - 8-20-2008 at 01:56 PM

It's hard to believe this thread is still alive. Stick a fork in it and have a cold one already.

There is and always has been a lot to like about Nomads. Let's move on. And as long as you're over there by the ice chest, crack open a cold one for me.

:tumble:

Cypress - 8-20-2008 at 02:02 PM

TacoFeliz, I'll drink to that!

palmeto99 - 8-20-2008 at 02:31 PM

This back and forth goes better with a cool drink in hand to temper the heat from the board and on the deck.
A tall arnold palmer with 2 oz of silent sam :cool:

bajalera - 8-20-2008 at 04:51 PM

The Off Topic forum always gets nastier when a national election is coming up. This year there aren't nearly as many political pug-uglies as there were in the past, but they've sure taken over that forum.

What I really dislike about the pug posts is that their rude vulgarity is so friggin' BORING.

palmeto99 - 8-20-2008 at 05:25 PM

But is that not what was intended for off topic.? :cool: