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SD plates, CA driver license

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El Jefe - 9-9-2008 at 11:42 AM

OK, just got my new South Dakota license plates. No more smog cert. hassles to renew.

But what happens now while I am visiting the kids in California, driving with a California driver license and South Dakota plates? Will we be subject to a ticket? Any police officers out there that can enlighten me?

We are full time residents in Baja Sur and no longer have a residence in California. In fact we no longer pay state tax. Should I even be using a CA driver license? Maybe I should have a Mexican one??? Will the nice officer be satisfied with seeing my FM3 as proof I'm a non-resident of CA?

CaboRon - 9-9-2008 at 12:07 PM

When I put on the South Dakota plates I planned on never driving the vehicle in CA.

You open up an intestering can of worms.

You will need special insurance and South Dakota drives lisc, and then you are good for 30 days in California as a visiter.

You cannot drive a US plated vehicle with a Mexican Drivers Lisc.

CaboRon

Bruce R Leech - 9-9-2008 at 12:34 PM

why would you change the plates and not your license? every state requires them to match. even in Mexico they need to match.

DENNIS - 9-9-2008 at 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
why would you change the plates and not your license? every state requires them to match. even in Mexico they need to match.

I didn't know that. What if you have a residence in two states. Would you need two cars and two licenses?

oxxo - 9-9-2008 at 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by El Jefe
No more smog cert. hassles to renew.

Right, screw the environment. The more smog the better.

Bob and Susan - 9-9-2008 at 12:44 PM

nope...you can have a different state license and drive in calif with an out of state plate

the ONLY hitch is...
if the vehcle is in calif for over 20 days you have to register it there

edit... 20 days

[Edited on 9-9-2008 by Bob and Susan]

Wrong

Dave - 9-9-2008 at 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboRon
You cannot drive a US plated vehicle with a Mexican Drivers Lisc.

You can if the vehicle is either registered/titled in your name or you have legal permission from the owner.

But I'm fast

Dave - 9-9-2008 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
the ONLY hitch is...
if the vehcle is in calif for over 20 days you have to register it there

First they have to catch you.

Bob and Susan - 9-9-2008 at 01:32 PM

:lol:

dave you've been gone too long

since OJ...now we get to watch tv "chases"

NO ONE gets away :lol:

i can watch a "chase" for hours

[Edited on 9-9-2008 by Bob and Susan]

Question...

Dave - 9-9-2008 at 01:38 PM

Just how would a Cal cop know how long the vehicle had been in Kalifornia? :rolleyes:

gnukid - 9-9-2008 at 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Just how would a Cal cop know how long the vehicle had been in Kalifornia? :rolleyes:

They catch you if you have a recent prior infraction or if you admit it while they speak to you.

DENNIS - 9-9-2008 at 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Just how would a Cal cop know how long the vehicle had been in Kalifornia? :rolleyes:

That would be a problem in smaller towns where the police know everybody and see everything. It happens in Ensenada when Americans give their car to their worker to go downtown and have it washed. The police see a US plated car with a National driving it whom they went to school with and it's over. The car is impounded and if it's a nice one, it probably wont ever be returned.

[Edited on 9-9-2008 by DENNIS]

CaboRon - 9-9-2008 at 02:02 PM

I have been stopped six times by either La Paz or Todos Santos cops.

On each occasion I showed my CA drivers lisc and South Dakota plates, and had no problem.

As to the crack as to smog testing ... I passed just before I moved down here and then got the South Dakota plates. The reason I have a problem with the California requirements is that the vehicle will never see the border again. It will live out it's life in BCS. Also I don't like dealing with state employees and their indefference.

CAboRon

oxxo - 9-9-2008 at 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboRon
The reason I have a problem with the California requirements is that the vehicle will never see the border again. It will live out it's life in BCS.

Screw the air quality in BCS. I want it just as smoggy as Mexico DF.

You could drive your car to the border once every two years to get it smogged. Why? Because it's the right thing to do.

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Also I don't like dealing with state employees and their indefference.

Same as dealing with polluters and their indifference. Cut from the same cloth.

CaboRon - 9-9-2008 at 02:46 PM

Oxxo,

You are out of your mind ......

I have NEVER been a poluter...

You are calling out the wrong guy.

I smoged the vehicle just before I moved down here ...

I am not trying to get away with anything ...

The vehicle will never make the thousand mile drive back to the border.

Check your facts before you make stupid statements.

CaboRon

And it seems to me that the Mexican drivers are doing a lot of polluting without our help.

[Edited on 9-9-2008 by CaboRon]

YARDSAIL - 9-9-2008 at 03:30 PM

YOU CAN DRIVE A CALIF. CAR ON A MEX. DRIVERS LICENSE.... I WAS STOPPED BY A CHP IN CA. WITH A RENTAL CAR.... NO PROBLEM, AFTER I CONVINCED HIM IT WAS A REAL LICENSE...HE DID NOT EVEN WRITE ME A TICKET, HE REALIZED IT WAS A RENTAL CAR AND A MEX LICENSE ..... WOULD I EVER SHOW UP FOR COURT? I DON'T THINK SO...IT WAS JUST A SMALL INFRACTION....

oxxo - 9-9-2008 at 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
I am not trying to get away with anything ...The vehicle will never make the thousand mile drive back to the border.

Not trying to get away with anything other than not getting it smogged every two years. Do the right thing, drive it back and get it smogged when it is due.

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And it seems to me that the Mexican drivers are doing a lot of polluting without our help.

Well that certainly justifies it. So why help them pollute?

Calif Resident = Calif Registration

MrBillM - 9-9-2008 at 04:25 PM

Unless someone can point to a revision in California law that states so, IF you are a California resident with a California Drivers License, Vehicles IN California registered in your name MUST have California registration.

As I said earlier on this subject, the Palm Springs DMV used to have "Drop a Dime on your Neighbors" posters which made the point that the neighbor with his RV registered out of state was violating the law and cheating the taxpayers.

The Palm Springs police used to watch the construction sites in the afternoon waiting for workers with out-of-state plates to hit the highway. At that time, if the worker claimed that he was only in California temporarily he could pay the fine with an additional $120 penalty for NOT changing the registration.

When I was in the Coast Guard Auxiliary, it was common for members to register their boat trailers and boats in Arizona to beat the personal property tax, but they admitted that if pulled over by the CHP, they were liable for a ticket. They stood out since their tow vehicle was California registered and the Boat/Trailer Arizona.

Hook - 9-9-2008 at 04:35 PM

OXXO, not all states, counties, etc. require smog certification. There are many areas of the country that dont require the equivalent of an AQMD because the level of pollution created by vehicles doesnt justify it and the federal government doesnt require it. It's like peeing (EDIT: how about urinating) in the ocean off of your boat: yeah, it's technically polluting but it is an insignificant amount. South Dakota, specifically Clay County, is one of those areas, as I understand it.

We didnt want the onus of having SD plates and a driver's license from another state as many states frown on this HARSHLY (meaning significant financial penalties). But we knew we wanted the benefits of a SD residency in retirement, since we knew we would be returning to the US (not necessarily SD) each year during the hot summer months (and, boy, has being down here for August and September, while we commence our building plans, confirmed this!)

But when we sold our CA home, we were effectively without a state residency completely. We decided to travel to SD before our CDLs expired this year and see if we could get a SD license, based on our PMB in Sioux Falls. We were successful at this. All we had to do was pass an eye exam (which seems to be giving me more and more trouble each renewal).

[Edited on 9-9-2008 by Hook]

SD plates, CA driver license

Fred-o - 9-9-2008 at 04:39 PM

My 1st Post, been on the "side" for years.

I have Washington state plates, and a Mexican D/L. When I got the D/L no one said anything about it not being valid with a U.S. vehicle. What gives??

I also have the appropriate insurances for both countries.
I live in Punta Banda, maybe I should just go over and ask my neighbor Dennis.

fred-o

DENNIS - 9-9-2008 at 04:48 PM

Jump right in, Fred. The water's nice....today.
Are you talking about driving on this side of the border or north?

By the way, folks. For all of me you've had to endure in the past, You can blame Fred. He first told me about BajaNomad.

[Edited on 9-9-2008 by DENNIS]

DENNIS - 9-9-2008 at 04:58 PM

Actually, I hope somebody can give Fred the straight scoop. Now, I'm confused about all of it. Some time back, a buddy of mine in the states handed a CHP officer a Mexican drivers license and the cop threw it on the ground. Things have changed?

Hook - 9-9-2008 at 05:00 PM

I cant imagine anyone having an issue down here with different plates/licenses. It's NOB that worried us. States are set up as money making machines now. They are proactive.

SD Plates, Mexican License

Fred-o - 9-9-2008 at 05:01 PM

Jump right in, Fred. The water's nice....today.
Are you talking about driving on this side of the border or north?

Well, I first meant for Mexico only, but since you mention it...How about views on both?

DENNIS - 9-9-2008 at 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
I cant imagine anyone having an issue down here with different plates/licenses. It's NOB that worried us. States are set up as money making machines now. They are proactive.

It was my understanding forever that if one drove a Mexican plated car, a Mexican DL was a must. Has that part changed?

oxxo - 9-9-2008 at 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hook
OXXO, not all states, counties, etc. require smog certification. There are many areas of the country that dont require the equivalent of an AQMD because the level of pollution created by vehicles doesnt justify it and the federal government doesnt require it.

I agree that not all governmental entities require smog checks, specifically South Dakota. But there is no disputing that having your car smogged on a regular basis cuts down on air pollution. You have your vehicle smogged because it is the right thing to do, not because you have to do it. That is called being responsible.

If it is the same as shi-shi in the ocean, why have smog regualtions cut down significantly the amount of air polution in the LA basin?

Do the right thing. Get your vehicle smogged at least every two years....wherever you reside, even if it means driving it back to California.

[Edited on 9-10-2008 by oxxo]

Hook - 9-9-2008 at 05:10 PM

Get a bicycle, dude.

BTW, have you heard that the regs concerning smogging new vehicles has changed in the last couple years in CA? They are admitting that many newer vehicles mfgr in the last four years) dont need regular smogging anymore cause they pollute so little. Look it up.

DENNIS - 9-9-2008 at 05:21 PM

There are areas within Ca that don't require smogging your car. Arnold hasn't changed that as well, has he?

El Jefe - 9-9-2008 at 05:38 PM

Goodness sakes, OXXO! So I'm supposed to drive the jeep on a 2,000+ round trip to make sure the car that goes about that far in a whole year get it smogged? Seems a bit wastefull of resources. If I lived in Rosarito Beach it would be another story. If I ever do drive the jeep north, I'll import the darn thing since that would REALLY be the right thing to do. One of these days I'll sell it and get a Mexican plated car here.

We drive the truck up about once a year, and it's a diesel so it doesn't get smogged anyway. And as far as I know it's not easy to import a diesel.

Really, I was just hoping to find out my status with the old but current California driver license, being that we don't live there any more. We insure both cars on both sides of the border, although SD does not require proof.

maspacifico - 9-9-2008 at 05:46 PM

I used to live in Hawaii, had a Hawaii driver license with a couple cars. I shipped one of them to California and used my Dad's address to register it California. No problem whatsoever. But, to have driver's licenses in two states is illegal, though not impossible. A valid driver's license in any state covers the US. If you move permanently to another state you should get a new license in that state, unless you are pulling a fast one. I brought my California registered car down here and actually drove it north twice to get it smogged. That car will never see pavement again, let alone California. It would still pass a smog test though. A smog test doesn't DO anything other than test for emissions. A good running car is the best preventative against pollution and the newer the car the less pollution.

oxxo - 9-9-2008 at 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by El Jefe
So I'm supposed to drive the jeep on a 2,000+ round trip to make sure the car that goes about that far in a whole year get it smogged?

Yes, once every two years.

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We drive the truck up about once a year, and it's a diesel so it doesn't get smogged anyway.

So if you only drive the Jeep 2000 miles a year, why not just drive the diesel? Why do you need the Jeep? If for some reason you really need that jeep, do the right thing and have it smogged.

If you are driving 1000 miles to your location in Baja, then that means somewhere in the Los Cabos area. The California DMV has exempted vehicles that far south. If you want to avoid smog tests there is no need to register in SD.

oxxo - 9-9-2008 at 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by maspacifico
That car will never see pavement again, let alone California.

Does that mean you are driving it off-road only? The vehicle pollutes just as much off-road as it does on-road. It still needs to be smogged.

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A smog test doesn't DO anything other than test for emissions. A good running car is the best preventative against pollution and the newer the car the less pollution.

Exactly! It all has to do with keeping the vehicle well tuned. A smog test checks for a well tuned vehicle.

maspacifico - 9-9-2008 at 06:05 PM

Oxxo,
My car pollutes exactly the same as if I had driven it the 1000 miles to California had it "smogged", and driven it back 1000 miles. 2000 miles is about 1500 miles further than I have driven it in the last two years. I'm not a pollution expert but "it don't make sense". I repeat, the smog test doesn't change anything, it just makes sure the car is running properly.

El Jefe - 9-9-2008 at 06:12 PM

Kisses and hugs, the jeep is my wife's car which she uses on the dirt road to town. Easier on her back than the truck. It's OK if we have a car each, no? Anyhow, your logic is not getting through to me. Should all Mexicans drive their cars to the states to get smogged every two years?

Do you own a smog test garage, you devil you???

[Edited on 9-10-2008 by El Jefe]

JaraHurd - 9-9-2008 at 06:28 PM

I side with OXXO on the whole smog thing. I have no issues with the whole California smog standards because my understanding (and I could be wrong) is that if you comply with the smog standards, you vehicle will generally emit less pollution into the air. It is sort of like littering. Will throwing one piece of trash on the ground make that much difference? I guess not, but if everyone did it, you sure would be able to tell.

It just seems like the right thing to do. And I am not worried about any other country or any other state. I simply believe in the smog standards of California. I will do my part and go about my life that way. All most of us can do is our small part..but I (maybe wrongly..) believe it makes a difference.

wornout - 9-9-2008 at 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by El Jefe
OK, just got my new South Dakota license plates. No more smog cert. hassles to renew.

But what happens now ....

I think you should drive the jeep up to one of the California Counties that don't have smog, drive around looking for a smog station anyway, then go to the DVM and register it. That way you would be 'doing the right thing'. Of course the pollution for driving all the way up there and back doesn't count because 'you are doing the right thing'.

Jeez, here is you kool-aid.

BTW: I have a CA drivers license and drive a SD plated pickup towing a SD plated Travel Trailer. I am in the states for a couple of months during the summer and a day every 6 weeks or so, all legal. If you work in CA, or stay an extended period of time, you are suppose to license the vehicle in CA.

When I got my drivers license I told them where I lived. The CA DMV told me I do NOT have to be a resident of California to have a CDL, I just need a CA mailing address. Maybe this is different away from the border.

It is true SD doesn't require proof of insurance when registeromg/renewing but you do sign a statement saying you will carry insurance on the vehicles you are licensing.

oxxo - 9-9-2008 at 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by maspacifico
I repeat, the smog test doesn't change anything, it just makes sure the car is running properly.

That statement is incorrect. A car that is tuned properly meets California Emission standards. A car that is not tuned properly, does not meet California Emission standards.

oxxo - 9-9-2008 at 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by El Jefe
It's OK if we have a car each, no? Anyhow, your logic is not getting through to me.

Sure it's okay, just get them both smogged.

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Should all Mexicans drive their cars to the states to get smogged every two years?

Why bring the Mexicans into it? YOU need to do what is right.

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Do you own a smog test garage, you devil you???

No, but wish I was better at keeping my car in tune. So, I drive my CA plated vehicle back to California to get it smogged every two years.

oxxo - 9-9-2008 at 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
Get a bicycle, dude.

I have one in Mexico, a Specialized carbon fiber MB.

I have one in California, a Felt carbon fibre Road bike.

Wanna race?

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BTW, have you heard that the regs concerning smogging new vehicles has changed in the last couple years in CA? They are admitting that many newer vehicles mfgr in the last four years) dont need regular smogging anymore cause they pollute so little. Look it up.

Great! Then those people who own them don't have to worry about getting them licensed in SD to avoid smog requirements. El Jefe should buy one.

oxxo - 9-9-2008 at 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by wornout
I think you should drive the jeep up to one of the California Counties that don't have smog, drive around looking for a smog station anyway, then go to the DVM and register it. That way you would be 'doing the right thing'.

Yep, it's one of the responsibilities you assume when purchasing and driving a vehicle.

Mango - 9-9-2008 at 08:42 PM

Hey Oxxo, you know all the epoxy used in making those carbon fiber bikes is really bad for the ozone. Plus, every time you take it outside.. the sunlight is degrading it. Steel is real and feels soo good to ride.

Seriously though.. I'm all about not polluting, and keeping the car running well so it doesn't. But driving a car (that only gets driven 2000 miles a year) 2000 miles to get it smoged puts an extra year of pollution from that car into the air every two years.

If the car only lasted 10 years, you would put 15 years of pollution into the air keeping it "smoggeg"

I've smogged cars for years(new and old)... and never had to do anything to them except pay the tax man for the pleasure.

If you really want to solve the problem, go to the root and mandate manufactures produce cleaner cars and trucks to start with (Is is and has been happening.. and is one of the major reasons LA has better air now)

Even in Mexico City the air is getting better than it was.. it has less to do with restrictions on current cars than it does with better and cleaner technology replacing older dirty technology. Sure smog rules help bring this change faster.. and that is fine overall... however.. in this case...

Sorry.. I just don't follow your logic on this one.

BTW - My car has yet to be smogged.. and at 2 years old it has 45,000 miles on it.... 45,000/2,000 is about 22.5 jeep years.

slimshady - 9-9-2008 at 09:17 PM

Stupid laws, so much for Democracy and Freedom. If i fill out statement of facts form from the dmv stating that the vehicle is out of country, will the dmv make me pay insurance and bring my car back every two years? I don't mind paying the registration as long as I get the tags. I hate to do the illegal way by having another car do the smog test for my car in baja or go through the hassle of SD plates.

gnukid - 9-9-2008 at 10:01 PM

Smog exemptions exist with the DMV statement of facts, specifically for Baja. State vehicle is in Baja California. According to the DMV book Baja Calfornia is not classified as in Mexico and is sufficient for exemption. If you have the mexican insurance forms you can present those if requested. Its complicated since now CA DMV wants to automatically cancel your reg if your ins is not valid in CA but this can be overcome with the acceptance of your mx ins policy.

This is my personal experience. I have three cars in Baja that I reg in CA DMV. It helps to speak spanish and visit with a mexican agent at the CA DMV. They also reduce your DMV taxes if it goes properly...

Alan - 9-9-2008 at 10:13 PM

All the rentals cars in Baja have had Mexican plates so I don't think it is an issue driving with a CA License.

All cars have some level of emissions regardless of how well tuned they are. To drive a car 2,000 miles unnecessarily is beyond me. I keep all of my cars well tuned regardless of smog test requirements because I don't want my wife breaking down, especially if I'm not with her.

CA will exempt your car from a smog check if it is stored in BCS. The problem is you must maintain insurance on it and I don't believe they will accept Mexico insurance. I can't see paying for a US insurance policy if the car will never see the States again. I think SD registration is the only reasonable way to go.

oladulce - 9-10-2008 at 12:49 AM

I've been trying to find the answer to this driver's license and car registration matching issue in my ongoing retirement research and have found no answers, although my esposo insists they must.

What convinced me that we will probably get SD diver's licenses to match when we convert to SD plates was this info from the "expatriate tax specialist" we used a couple of years ago which is summarized on his website:

"Avoiding U.S. State Taxes

Do not assume just because you moved out of the U.S. that your previous state of residence has no claim on taxing your income. Many states such as California, Virginia, New Mexico and South Carolina make it very difficult to give up your "tax domicile" in the state and require that you file state income tax returns (and pay the tax) even if you do not move back until years later. Some of the criteria that a state looks at to determine if you are a resident for state income tax purposes includes your driver license, if you register to vote there, if you maintain an address there, the location of your bank accounts, if you own or rent real property there, the license plates on your cars, and if you still receive utility bills in that state. There are many other factors used by state taxing agencies to determine if you are a resident, but they are too numerous to mention here. You must be careful to reduce or eliminate all indices of residency or your previous state of residency in the U.S. will come after you for state income taxes. You must carefully plan your departure from your previous home state both reviewing the laws and taking the actual steps necessary to prove to that state you no longer have a "tax domicile" there after you move abroad. If you do not, the taxes, penalties and interest later assessed by that state can be huge."

Unfortunately, (according to the "Escapees" bulletin board at least) you can't renew a SD D.L. by mail, you have to appear in person which sounds like it will be quite a hike from BCS.

oxxo - 9-10-2008 at 02:52 AM

All the posts above seek to justify why someone has some "special" reason why they shouldn't have to do the right thing.

We can always make excuses for ourselves - too expensive, too much work, not important, etc. It all goes back to personal responsibility, "I'm not going to do it until someone makes me do it." There is no argument that a well tuned vehicle, one that can pass a smog test, will pollute less. If you don't want to have the Jeep smogged, then purchase one of the new vehicles that are supposedly smog exempt, or buy another diesel truck, or get by with one vehicle. Stop making excuses. Every ruse suggested here - SD registration, Mexico registration, CA exemption for being south of the border, I'll tune it myself - is nothing more than an excuse for driving a polluting vehicle in Baja California.

It is unimportant what the Mexicans do. If they want to trash their country with litter, does that mean we should join them? If they want to take fish out of season, does that mean we should join them ? If they want to pollute their country, does that mean we should join them? You are either part of the problem, or part of the solution.

Do the right thing. Have your vehicles smogged.

Mexitron - 9-10-2008 at 04:24 AM

On having two state licenses--when I got a new license in Texas they required that I give them my CA license...

...so at least in Texas you can't have more than one state license.

The Right Thing

Russ - 9-10-2008 at 04:30 AM

So... IF we're talking only about the car issue, vehicle registration & drivers license in Calif. and insurance. I would really like to do "the right thing". However, would it be reasonable to wish that the DMV would consider expats only visit once or twice a year for maybe a total of 4 weeks of 52 and make allowances for us? I have two cars. A truck for shopping and an Exploder for quick trips. The cost of keeping both legal and doing the "right thing" really hurts and seems unreasonable for the short time I spend on the Calif. roads. Here is a previous discusion on the subject:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=27035
Neither my local DMV nor the AAA have be able to help me.
Narrow minded responders need not address my posts. It just infuriates me.
~~~infuriate
verb [ trans. ]
make (someone) extremely angry and impatient ~~~

[Edited on 9-10-2008 by Russ]

Hook - 9-10-2008 at 04:36 AM

Agree completely, Russ.

Where's the DMV doing the "right thing" by trying to capture fees from a vehicle that is basically never in their state?

It's a two way street............unless you're the government.

Bob and Susan - 9-10-2008 at 05:58 AM

when i was down at the DMV in CA they told me...

the license is attached to your "home" address (the base)

the car or truck MUST be registered in the state it stays in...

you ONLY have a few days to register it if you leave it in california

gnukid - 9-10-2008 at 09:00 AM

Russ the law is clear if you live in CA you should register your car there and have a license. You have some time to complete this. I am unsure of the time frame but I think you should begin the process within 10 days of moving to the state.

If you live in Baja (residence) but maintain CA as your US mailing address for representation, taxes, etc... and visit occasionally you can drive a vehicle plated from anywhere you choose as long as you don't plan on living in CA and are doing so for more than x days (presumably 10 days).

So in your case, you can maintain a CA license and SD plates if you live in Baja and this is the right thing to do because of the laws which do not allow you to maintain a CA plated without undue burden of cost and excessive ins requirements which is money wasted for no benefit other than insurance coalitions (which lobby the state for these laws).

Should you proceed on your plan to have a CA license, SD plated vehicle, while living in Baja and encounter a problem, such as you unexpectedly find yourself spending more time in CA than planned and decide that it is incorrect then you can proceed to make changes.

Until then, you have not broken any laws or attempted to skirt the law. You are complying in the best and only practical manner possible.

Do not be consumed with guilt for the highly restrictive laws for plated registered CA vehicles which make it extremely difficult for USA people living in BCS.

I do have CA plated vehicles in Baja and have found the DMV to understand my right of exemption from smog and accept my mx insurance policy on record.

Key to success for me was filing the paper work clearly, the DMV statement of facts, check smog exempt, vehicle is out of state in Baja California Sur, (write it exactly this way) without messy writing or erase marks or anything. It must be written out. Of course it states in italics there something like Arizona, Nevada, Mexico to be excluded.

That Baja California Sur is or is not part of Mexico is irrelevant. Baja California Sur is exempt from CA smog because of the distance and historical quality of gas which makes smoging the vehicle impractical.

As an added note, if you want CA ins for your BAJA vehicle just for this case you may state the value is $100 and you only want liability and costs can be quite low about $100/6 months. However do not tell the ins agent the car will rarely be in CA. Do not state the vehicle remains in Baja. Its okay that it is, but the agent is primarily engaged in selling ins for CA vehicles to remain in CA.

[Edited on 9-10-2008 by gnukid]

oxxo - 9-10-2008 at 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by Russ
The cost of keeping both legal and doing the "right thing" really hurts and seems unreasonable for the short time I spend on the Calif. roads.

Yes, it can get expensive to maintain clean air in both Alta California and Baja California. So, what's the alternative, dirty air, just because we're too cheap to do the right thing?

oxxo - 9-10-2008 at 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Where's the DMV doing the "right thing" by trying to capture fees from a vehicle that is basically never in their state?

We're talking about operating a polluting vehicle in Baja California, not capturing fees.

David K - 9-10-2008 at 09:27 AM

Why do you think getting a 'smog check' has anything to do with making the car operating correctly? The owner or mechanic is the one that does maintenance to keep the car running clean and efficient. The 'smog check' just verifies that the car is tuned up and not polluting.

If the owner is responsible and wants the best performance and mileage from his car, it will be operating properly ... Any Baja Nomad would not have a poorly operating car in Baja, that would be suicide in remote areas.

Russ - 9-10-2008 at 09:56 AM

OXXO. OK, so we've all read your opinion in several ways on our responsibility to save the planet. So how about something helpful to those of us that promise you we'll clean up our act? In other words get off your friggin green horse and participate!

Hook - 9-10-2008 at 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo

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Originally posted by Hook
Where's the DMV doing the "right thing" by trying to capture fees from a vehicle that is basically never in their state?

We're talking about operating a polluting vehicle in Baja California, not capturing fees.

You're a hypocrite if you:

use a car
ride the bus
use a washing machine and dryer
cook over anything but rubbish or wood.

Besides, getting the car smogged is about capturing fees as much as ensuring that it is polluting as little as possible. A mechanic in BAJA can make sure you're running in top condition and can read ODB II codes and correct as well.

The fees go to mitigating pollution in the AQMD area you reside and maintaining the fee capturing system...........something a car in Baja shouldn't have to contribute to.

Now, that's what fair and right.

Some people just cant see a solution that doesnt involve government........... :rolleyes:

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 08:17 AM

I wish I could take credit for this, but one of my Nomad pals did it for me.

viabaja - 9-11-2008 at 08:28 AM

No stinkin smog checks required if your Jeep (or whatever) is OHV registered in Calif!! Tags good for 2 years! Or don't register - it seems half the cars on Baja all have expired tags anyway!!

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
You're a hypocrite if you:

use a car
ride the bus
use a washing machine and dryer
cook over anything but rubbish or wood.

You threw everything in there but the kitchen sink! I'm surprised you didn't call me a hypocrite for breathing air!

Get your car smogged, do the right thing.

[Edited on 9-11-2008 by oxxo]

Hook - 9-11-2008 at 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by oxxo

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Originally posted by Hook
You're a hypocrite if you:

use a car
ride the bus
use a washing machine and dryer
cook over anything but rubbish or wood.

You through everything in there but the kitchen sink! I'm surprised you didn't call me a hypocrite for breathing air!

Get your car smogged, do the right thing.

Not required in the state I am registered. Already DID the right thing..........even according to your deity; Big Brother.

One is an 05, the other is a diesel.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Not required in the state I am registered.

"I'm not going to clean up the air until someone makes me do it" That's the right attitude!

Think about your grandchildren, amigo. Do the right thing for them.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 11:24 AM

Oxxo.....

I think most people here are in compliance with the clean air agenda, at least those that can afford to be. There is a target-rich sector of our shared border with Mexico and I think a need for activism has your name on it. The Baja plated cars that cross the border into San Diego by the thousands every day that are not put through the rigors of clean air responsibility. Perhaps you consider this solely an American issue in which case we should be refering to American air, far cleaner than Mexican air which is exactly the way Mexico wants her air to be. Who but The Ugly American with the clean air would bring the American way of life to Mexico and expect it to be applied to our host society only because we tend to see our principles as superior or more healthy? It isn't our judgement to make. Mexico doesn't want you to smog your car. Mexico doesn't want anybody to smog their car. Someday they may but, not today.
In the meantime, head for the border and throw yourself under the wheels of all those gross polluters who thrive on the double standard that California offers and have not answered the common question at the gate, "What are you bringing from Mexico," with the honest answer, "Dirty Mexican air, Señor."

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I think most people here are in compliance with the clean air agenda,

Not the ones on this thread.

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at least those that can afford to be.

Doing the right thing is always too expensive for some people.

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Who but The Ugly American with the clean air would bring the American way of life to Mexico and expect it to be applied to our host society only because we tend to see our principles as superior or more healthy?

Nope, I never said that. We do it because we know it is the right thing to do, for our grandchildren. Someday, Mexico will discover the same thing.

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It isn't our judgement to make.

Yes it is our judgement. We do it because we know that it improves air quality, regardless of what they do in Mexico.

Just because some Mexicans dump litter alongside the road, does that mean you do it in Mexico too?

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Mexico doesn't want you to smog your car. Mexico doesn't want anybody to smog their car.

Where did you come up with that? I'd be embarrassed about that statement. Yes, they currently have no laws that require smogging, but they have no problem if you want to do it vouluntarily. I don't recall anyone at the military checkpoints opening the hood of my car and saying, "you have a smog device, you must disconnect it."

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Someday they may but, not today.

So you shouldn't do the right thing until somebody makes you do it? You shouldn't care about your grandchildren until somebody makes you care? That's the 'ol American spirit! No wonder we have Big Government when people are so unwilling to be proactive and do the right thing, for themselves and their grandchildren.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 12:03 PM

Oxxo...

Have you ever peeed in a swimming pool?

bajadock - 9-11-2008 at 12:07 PM

Doug, how often do we need to have our Baja Nomad user licenses smog checked?

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo

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Mexico doesn't want you to smog your car. Mexico doesn't want anybody to smog their car.

Where did you come up with that? I'd be embarrassed about that statement.

Believe me. If Mexico wanted people to smog their cars, people would smog their cars. Until that time, Mexico has no regulations in that regard. Not sure about DF.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Believe me. If Mexico wanted people to smog their cars, people would smog their cars. Until that time, Mexico has no regulations in that regard. Not sure about DF.

Nobody's debating that point. Americans living in Mexico should do it voluntarily because they know it reduces pollution. We have Big Government in the US and everywhere because people have to be forced to do the right thing. Wouldn't it be wonderful if people smogged their cars voluntarily?

Think of our grandchildren. Do the right thing voluntarily.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo
Think of our grandchildren.

I don't think I have any....not sure. Maybe that's why I'm less than inspired by the suggestion that people should drive their car for 1000 miles just to be abused by the state of California. Last year, my car passed all smog tests thrown at it. It wasn't a polluter by any means. They wouldn't pass me until I had a 60 dollar per hour mechanic tell me my "check engine" light was on because it had a faulty oxygen sensor which he replaced for 150 bucks. Nothing on the emission test was improved. The numbers were already better than good. So, you know what I have to say about all this bullcrap over-regulation? Yeah....you know.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I don't think I have any....not sure. Maybe that's why I'm less than inspired

Are you so self-centered that you wouldn't care about other people's grandchildren? I know exactly who my grand children are since I have never done anything that would bring children into the world I didn't know about. I'm sure you were just trying to make a joke.

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Last year, my car passed all smog tests thrown at it. It wasn't a polluter by any means.

Good for you! I know you will have it done again next year rather than getting SD plates. That's the spirit!

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So, you know what I have to say about all this bullcrap over-regulation? Yeah....you know.

Well if more people did the right thing, maybe there wouldn't be so much over-regulation (yes, I'm ready for the snide counter arguments). I favor being responsible and keeping the government out of my life.

Peace, out.

gnukid - 9-11-2008 at 01:25 PM

Vehicles should be produced which are increasingly efficient, that isn't happening nor is it being encouraged fast enough. The Smog check is a scam, the process creates profits and gov data which has little benefit for the ecology of our environment.

Anyone who is a "gross polluter" knows that, 1) the DMV will give you a new sticker each month if you ask no problem, 2) the "gross polluter" designation qualifies for funds up to many 100s of dollars for specially designated associations and the DMV to "repair" and allow the vehicle to pass.

Oxxo, I think your comments are a distraction from the issue of ecology and efficiency. I do not believe that your comments are a serious representation of conservation of resources in practice effectively while I do believe that you are invested in issues which are distracting and therefore destructive to the causes we care about.

No ecologist supports your nonsensical punitive attitude, not conservationists like us here, not even the CA DMV which clearly offers an exemption because of the cost and burden of the Smog check due to circumstances for residents of Baja.

CaboRon - 9-11-2008 at 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Vehicles should be produced which are increasingly efficient, that isn't happening nor is it being encouraged fast enough. The Smog check is a scam, the process creates profits and gov data which has little benefit for the ecology of our environment.

Anyone who is a "gross polluter" knows that, 1) the DMV will give you a new sticker each month if you ask no problem, 2) the "gross polluter" designation qualifies for funds up to many 100s of dollars for specially designated associations and the DMV to "repair" and allow the vehicle to pass.

Oxxo, I think your comments are a distraction from the issue of ecology and efficiency. I do not believe that your comments are a serious representation of conservation of resources in practice effectively while I do believe that you are invested in issues which are distracting and therefore destructive to the causes we care about.

No ecologist supports your nonsensical punitive attitude, not conservationists like us here, not even the CA DMV which clearly offers an exemption because of the cost and burden of the Smog check due to circumstances for residents of Baja.

I think Oxxo needs to check his meds ....

He has been stuck on this for three days now ...

CaboRon

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo
Are you so self-centered that you wouldn't care about other people's grandchildren? I know exactly who my grand children are since I have never done anything that would bring children into the world I didn't know about. I'm sure you were just trying to make a joke.

No. It was no joke. I was a bartender in Newport Beach in the sixties and seventies and banged everything that got in my way. It was the pre-aids era when Frankenstien could make out in a Newport bar.
You're beginning to sound like you spent way too much time in a Catholic school without reaching your alloted period of scepticism.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo
I favor being responsible and keeping the government out of my life.

Oh, please. Tell me somebody jumped on your keyboard while you were in the other room lighting votive candles. You want less government? BWAAAHAAHAHAAAAAHA

Window dressing

Dave - 9-11-2008 at 01:59 PM

Considering the source, I'll bet Oxxo's grandkids are 100% socially responsible, perfectly behaved little darlings. Just the kind of children we all love to hate.

Are they available for rent? :rolleyes:

Hook - 9-11-2008 at 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Not the Balboa Saloon, by chance? Baer's Lair? Blackie's? Beach Ball?

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Vehicles should be produced which are increasingly efficient, that isn't happening nor is it being encouraged fast enough.

I agree.

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The Smog check is a scam,

Not true. It has reduced air pollution in the LA basin for example.

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Anyone who is a "gross polluter" knows that,

I'm not a gross polluter.

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I think your comments are a distraction from the issue of ecology and efficiency.

No, your comments are a distraction from issue of getting your car smogged every two years, even if you have 100 excuses why it wouldn't be convenient for you.

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No ecologist supports your nonsensical punitive attitude, not conservationists like us here,

That is not true, and you know it isn't.

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not even the CA DMV which clearly offers an exemption because of the cost and burden of the Smog check due to circumstances for residents of Baja.

So why do you need SD plates? The point is, you get your car smogged because it will pollute less, regardless of whether somebody makes you do it or not. Think of your grand children.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

Are they available for rent? :rolleyes:

Probably so if you don't mind purgeing them of Kiddie-Prozac.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Oxxo...

Have you ever peeed in a swimming pool?

I can see that I wouldn't want you to use my swimming pool.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
Not the Balboa Saloon, by chance? Baer's Lair? Blackie's? Beach Ball?

Baer's.......Yes. Opened it with Baer. He and I worked together at the Alley West for a long time. Did you know that Mike Stomp is still working there, whatever it's called now?
Thanks Hook...This thread was screaming for a good hijacking.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
No. It was no joke. I was a bartender in Newport Beach in the sixties and seventies and banged everything that got in my way. It was the pre-aids era when Frankenstien could make out in a Newport bar.

There is no excusing irresponsible behavior. I feel sorry for your offspring. May they have more self esteem than you have.

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You're beginning to sound like you spent way too much time in a Catholic school without reaching your alloted period of scepticism.

Throwing insults is always a safe harbor.

Keep 'em guessing

Dave - 9-11-2008 at 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Have you ever peeed in a swimming pool?

I have, but didn't smile.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
I think Oxxo needs to check his meds ....

He has been stuck on this for three days now ...

CaboRon

And you've been right there with me amigo.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo
The point is, you get your car smogged because it will pollute less

Faulty logic. In fact, ridiculous.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 02:11 PM

I'm going to Sharky's. You don't want to be here when I get back.

edited to add that little grinning thing so you'll know I'm just havin' fun here. And, that was no insult up there. When I insult you, you'll know it. Have a good day.

[Edited on 9-11-2008 by DENNIS]

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
I'll bet Oxxo's grandkids are 100% socially responsible, perfectly behaved little darlings. Just the kind of children we all love to hate.

When you don't have something intelligent to say, insults are always an alternative.

tripledigitken - 9-11-2008 at 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by oxxo
The point is, you get your car smogged because it will pollute less

Faulty logic. In fact, ridiculous.

I live in CA and can't remember when I last was required to have a smog test done, except when I sold a vehicle privately. By the way, it passed without any adjustments.................so that test didn't result in ANY less pollution.

Ken

And To Think, This Started Out As An Informative Discussion

CaboRon - 9-11-2008 at 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo

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Originally posted by CaboRon
I think Oxxo needs to check his meds ....

He has been stuck on this for three days now ...

CaboRon

And you've been right there with me amigo.

My last post on this thread was two days ago on 9/9 ...

And I decided to stop because I was getting sucked in by
a Nutcase - Oxxo ....

See, and I got sucked back in today ... :lol:

I have sunk to your level of stupidness ....

It's time for this thread to be put out of it's misery ....

CaboRon

[Edited on 9-11-2008 by CaboRon]

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
And I decided to stop because I was getting sucked in by
a Nutcase - Oxxo ....

See, and I got sucked back in today ... :lol:

I have sunk to your level of stupidness ....

It's time for this thread to be put out of it's misery ....

CaboRon

Insults, insults, insults, I expected something more clever than that from you Ron.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
I live in CA and can't remember when I last was required to have a smog test done, except when I sold a vehicle privately.

You have to have it done every two years.

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By the way, it passed without any adjustments.................so that test didn't result in ANY less pollution.

Ken

Excellent, that's the purpose of this test. Good for you.

tripledigitken - 9-11-2008 at 02:45 PM

Oxxo,

There are exceptions. Just keeping it real.

Which counties require a smog inspection for the registration renewal?

Counties that Require a Smog Inspection for Vehicle Registration Renewal Alameda Butte Colusa Contra Costa Fresno
Glenn Kern Kings Los Angeles Madera
Marin Merced Monterey Napa Nevada
Orange Sacramento San Benito San Francisco San Joaquin
San Luis Obispo San Mateo Santa Barbara Santa Clara Santa Cruz
Shasta Solano Stanislaus Sutter Tehama
Tulare Ventura Yolo Yuba

There are six counties that require smog certifications within certain Zip Codes only. These counties are:

El Dorado, Placer, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, and Sonoma.

Ken

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
There are six counties that require smog certifications within certain Zip Codes only. These counties are:

El Dorado, Placer, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, and Sonoma.

Understood. Is La Mesa in one of the zip codes that does not require smog. If it is, why did you have to smog the car when you sold it?

Who Do Smog ?

MrBillM - 9-11-2008 at 05:16 PM

Not Me.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo

Understood. Is La Mesa in one of the zip codes that does not require smog. If it is, why did you have to smog the car when you sold it?

Where are you, oxxo. I mean, physically and mentally. You don't get it, do you. Some of us don't agree with your total control crap and have a different opinion. Personally, I think you have problems with compassion. A virtue which would make you more understanding to other views. It has to be your way.
What is your way is just that. Your way. Not mine, not Ken's, not his and not hers.
Smog your ***ing cars. Do it every day if that's what makes you happy but, you have your opinion and that's all it is. We have ours.
Save the world for your grandkids. Hopefully they'll end up with a more open mind than yours.

P.S.--------Public education wont achieve that end.

AMF...Take your arguement skills back to the trade school you bought them from and trade them in for a few courses in cooking.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Personally, I think you have problems with compassion.

Dennis where is your compassion? You don't know if you have grandchildren and you don't care.

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Smog your ***ing cars. Take your arguement skills back to the trade school you bought them from and trade them in for a few courses in cooking.

Insults are always a safe harbor when you have nothing intelligent to say.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Not Me.

I already knew that Bill, you are being redundant.

I know you already know this, but it is "not I."

David K - 9-11-2008 at 06:33 PM

I wonder if El Jefe had any idea that his question would go down this road? :rolleyes:

Hook - 9-11-2008 at 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge
or something like that.

In defense of Hook, he has no children, thus no grandchildren and is given a grandchild credit which mitigates his South Dakota registration and no smog required loophole. :tumble:

But, more importantly, somewhere in this thread I believe, horror, DK and Hook agreed on something?
I am probably mistaken, :lol:

".......the horror, the horror......."

Good point, Jorge. We believe it's past time when the govt doesnt give tax breaks for those who HAVE children, instead of the other way around.

Of course, this is contrary to the American way of supporting mega-corporations and consumerism with every new law.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
Of course, this is contrary to the American way of supporting mega-corporations and consumerism with every new law.

And to add further injury......I agree with you on this point.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge

In defense of Hook, he has no children, thus no grandchildren and is given a grandchild credit

Not to mention that for each grandchild he doesnt have, the atmosphere is spared the burden of a cloud of methane gas equal in size to a landform of cow-flop as large as a Greyhound bus. This man is solely responsible for your ability to draw a clear breath and your ingratitude is no more welcome than a soiled disposable diaper rolling across a Gigante parking lot.
:spingrin:

G'nite folks.

oxxo - 9-11-2008 at 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Not to mention that for each grandchild he doesnt have, the atmosphere is spared the burden of a cloud of methane gas equal in size to a landform of cow-flop as large as a Greyhound bus. This man is solely responsible for your ability to draw a clear breath and your ingratitude is no more welcome than a soiled disposable diaper rolling across a Gigante parking lot.

Absolutely stimulating prose! The depth of vocabulary is....underwhelming.

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