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Loreto survey fee's

Bronco - 9-10-2008 at 07:01 AM

I have a friend that told me "environmentalist" in Loreto are asking for $10,oooUS to survey a lot he has purchased.
Can anyone clarify this, sounds "fishy"

Bronco

Bruce R Leech - 9-10-2008 at 07:13 AM

it might be new to Loreto but this has been going on in other places for some years now. it is kinda like a environmental impact statement.

just another way for someone to get some money:light:

[Edited on 9-10-2008 by Bruce R Leech]

Pescador - 9-10-2008 at 10:31 AM

There are two processes needed to develop a lot. The first is an "Avalu" which is done to set out the boundaries of the lot. This is like a Survey done in the US. The second part, and probably what you are referring to is a PROFEPA environmental permission to develop the lot. This must be done prior to building or developing the lot. It is like an environmental statement and requires pictures, environmental impact, and the like and is a much more expensive proposition. Lots that were in the city limits or those that had an avalu done before a certain time period were exempt from that law, but newly developed property needed the PROFEPA permit. Some of the people at Punta Chivato ran into this head on as well as Bob and Susan at Playa Frambes.

longlegsinlapaz - 9-10-2008 at 11:50 AM

It is most likely the mandatory Environmental Impact Study. Here are a couple of past threads that have a lot of information:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=29960#pid3201...
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=24042#pid2199...

Bob and Susan - 9-10-2008 at 05:44 PM

yep...our stuff is all done

we have he letter of normalization

if you dont get the "survey" you'll pay "BIG time" later

i hear the fines are around 30k now

DENNIS - 9-10-2008 at 06:01 PM

Unbelievable, the bureaucracy you folks down south have to put up with. I never hear of these nightmares up here. Does anybody from the Ensenada area hear about these things locally?
Hope this doesn't seem like a hijacking but, I think it's on topic.

wilderone - 9-15-2008 at 09:54 AM

"bureaucracy" ha! All the talk - "that's progress" but nobody wants the government controls that might go with "progress." You think you can just buy sensitive land bordering a marine preserve and do what you want with it. EIS's been going on in the US for quite some time - but generally done by the developer or government entity oversight paid for by taxes. Welcome to the New Developed Baja. BTW, just came back from the eastern Sierra Nevadas - free hot springs, free camping, little litter, graded public dirt roads leading to wilderness -- courtesy of bureacracy!

slimshady - 9-15-2008 at 09:42 PM

Should run between $1200.00 to $3000.00 That's the price they charge in Cabo. $10,000 is for suckers.

rob - 9-17-2008 at 10:16 AM

Slimshady has it - fees for the 4 lots I sold here at the ranch ran less than $2,000 per lot.

It is simply a matter of negotiation - apart from tagging plants for relocation (which is done by the help), a couple of digital photos, most of it is boilerplate.

I am not minimizing the experience/skills needed on the part of the environmental engineer. Merely stating the obvious - you have to do it, so shop around.

flyfishinPam - 9-17-2008 at 10:53 AM

any shoreline property is part of the marine park. also according to their (MP) rules, so are lands adjacent and inland from the shoreline. maybe the fee is higher because we're in a marine park? I have heard of this pricing too when my husbands cooperativa wanted to get rights to their beach on the south side of the marina. they couldn't afford it.

ncampion - 9-19-2008 at 10:47 AM

Am currently going through the process on our lot North of Loreto. We got three bids that ranged in cost from $4,000 USD to $$13,100 USD. Of which about $2,100 are actual government fees, the rest goes to the person doing the report. There are two reports that need to be obtained. One is the "Manifestacion de Impacto Ambiental Modilidad particular" (Invironmental Impact Study) and the other is "Estudio Tecnico Justificativo para cambio de Utilization de Terreno Forestal" (Study for the change of use of the land). It pays to shop around, since the main costs are with the people who do the study. Also be sure that you don't pay until the report is accepted.

vandenberg - 9-19-2008 at 02:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ncampion
Am currently going through the process on our lot North of Loreto. We got three bids that ranged in cost from $4,000 USD to $$13,100 USD. Of which about $2,100 are actual government fees, the rest goes to the person doing the report. There are two reports that need to be obtained. One is the "Manifestacion de Impacto Ambiental Modilidad particular" (Invironmental Impact Study) and the other is "Estudio Tecnico Justificativo para cambio de Utilization de Terreno Forestal" (Study for the change of use of the land). It pays to shop around, since the main costs are with the people who do the study. Also be sure that you don't pay until the report is accepted.


With a spread like that, the 13 grand one is screwing you royally and the 4 grand one likely doesn't know what he's doing.:no::no:

Bob and Susan - 9-19-2008 at 03:25 PM

i'd ask for referances...

AND...

see how many have been completed and
approved in the last 6 months

then....

make the deal with the price

Phil S - 10-2-2008 at 09:45 PM

Well, if I were going through this in Loreto, I'd ask for a phone number of a surveyor in Constitution or Insurhantes. I'd also talk to a couple local realtors for a recommendation. Not using the realtor that sold you the property. I'd especially check with a Mulege surveyor to get a price from him/them. Call Loreto Bay and ask who they use for surveyors. Also. Know anything yet of the $10,000.00 charge that Architects are charging in Loreto as a flat fee for something??????? This was several years ago that I heard that being "coffee shop" discussed. Anyone local know of this charge? Or maybe that is the same thing??????

BajaNuts - 10-2-2008 at 09:56 PM

Dennis-"Unbelievable, the bureaucracy you folks down south have to put up with. I never hear of these nightmares up here. "

I haven't figured out how to do the quote box thingy, but Dennis, when you say "Folks down south, nothing up north".....I'm gathering you mean north as in BCNorte andsouth as in BCSur?

I know you can't mean north as in USA, cuz "Environmental Impact Statements" MEANS "horror story" in the USA!!! and there could be a 20 page post if the topic was started in reference to the USA.

I'm glad to read about the info and prices. Knowledge is power...