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9-11

baitcast - 9-11-2008 at 06:25 AM

Let us not forget,I never will.

GOD BLESS AMERICA
Rob

woody with a view - 9-11-2008 at 06:33 AM

yeah, never forget!

Diver - 9-11-2008 at 06:46 AM

A day I will not forget.
The country lost 100's and I lost my little sister from another cause.

Best wishes to all who lost.

David K - 9-11-2008 at 08:02 AM

I know exactly where I was and how empty and quiet the skys were that day!

Add a 0 Diver, we lost 1000's that day... :no:

The price of being an American is higher than most of the world realizes.

Bob and Susan - 9-11-2008 at 10:30 AM

As of June 2004, the official death count is listed as 2,976

changed my life

doradodan - 9-11-2008 at 10:44 AM

that is the day I decided to become a Federal Air Marshal. You would be surprised how many people have forgotten that tragic day.

baitcast - 9-11-2008 at 10:58 AM

Sadly many americans have short memorys,it seems that we must be reminded from time to time,I,m not one of those.
Rob

gnukid - 9-11-2008 at 11:35 AM

To date not one person has been prosecuted for the extensive crimes of 9/11. Not one person charged? Nothing investigated thoroughly. Those who have spoken out in the FBI and CIA have been reassigned or disappeared including John Oneil, who was a leading FBI director in NY and investigator into the plot prior to 9/11 who eventually left the FBI to take a new job, which began on 9/11 in the WTC.

We will prosecute the criminals of 9/11. There is extensive evidence and many researchers, architects, engineers, professors and Federal Enforcements officers who are still speaking out and leading investigations which prove who, what and how this happened. Look into, do not be afraid, do not back off from the truth as ugly and horrific as it is. We must know the truth here?

Be calm, use a scientific approach and look at the science behind the attacks, how the buildings fell, how the planes arrived, look at the news stories, put it all together.

Do a search on Atta, flight shcool, florida, the alleged terrorist leader.

I don't have the answers for you, but I will persist for the victims of 9/11 in the WTC, the emergency responders who died and those are suffering without support, and the worldwide victims now in the millions of our false terror war. This must end, now, and we will take down the perpetrators of 9/11.

Please look into it today, get involved, be angry and outraged that no one has been prosecuted???

A new movie has come out this week, its just a simple project from a young person, I am not sure about it. Check it out its called fabled enemies.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407...



[Edited on 9-11-2008 by gnukid]

lizard lips - 9-11-2008 at 12:16 PM

This is a day I will never forget. I never knew how many people took advantage of this situation as well. There have now been at least 250 fraudulent insurance claims been made from this tragedy.

gnukid - 9-11-2008 at 01:48 PM

Comments from Keith Olbermann about 9/11... hmmm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNx22TH7FfU

losfrailes - 9-11-2008 at 01:59 PM

Add this group to those on that day.

http://www.military.com/news/article/September-2008/pentagon...

gnukid - 9-11-2008 at 02:39 PM

Lets never forget 9/11.

[Edited on 9-12-2008 by gnukid]

Bruce R Leech - 9-11-2008 at 02:59 PM

they have already taken the Holocaust out of the history books in most of the schools

Bob H - 9-11-2008 at 07:04 PM

I will NEVER forget that horrible event! I flew our flag proudly today as did many of my neighbors!
Bob H

Ken Bondy - 9-11-2008 at 08:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Be calm, use a scientific approach and look at the science behind the attacks, how the buildings fell, how the planes arrived, look at the news stories, put it all together.


I probably shouldn't take this bait, but your comment implies that we don't know "how the buildings fell". I am a structural engineer with 45 years of experience. I personally know the structural engineer who headed the NSF investigation of the failures, and presented the results and conclusions of the investigation to the US Congress. I believe I can state with reasonable certainty that there is no disagreement within the structural engineering profession as to "how the buildings fell". The precise failure mechanism is clearly understood.

[Edited on 9-12-2008 by Ken Bondy]

motoged - 9-11-2008 at 10:59 PM

Such a tragedy that has hurt us all...
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
To date not one person has been prosecuted for the extensive crimes of 9/11. ....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407...

[Edited on 9-11-2008 by gnukid]
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:no::(:(

gnukid - 9-11-2008 at 11:50 PM

I do not understand what happened in Venice?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6456867285177039347

gnukid - 9-12-2008 at 12:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Bondy
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Be calm, use a scientific approach and look at the science behind the attacks, how the buildings fell, how the planes arrived, look at the news stories, put it all together.


I probably shouldn't take this bait, but your comment implies that we don't know "how the buildings fell". I am a structural engineer with 45 years of experience. I personally know the structural engineer who headed the NSF investigation of the failures, and presented the results and conclusions of the investigation to the US Congress. I believe I can state with reasonable certainty that there is no disagreement within the structural engineering profession as to "how the buildings fell". The precise failure mechanism is clearly understood.

[Edited on 9-12-2008 by Ken Bondy]


Cool, everyone's looking into it too, thats awesome you are interested.

NIST just recently released their explanation for the destruction of WTC7 on 9/11, the building that fell but wasn't hit?

A response to NIST official theory on the collapse of WTC7
http://www.ae911truth.org/audio/AE911truth%20News%20Conf%200...

Architects and Engineers who research WTC building collapses, 911 Comission
http://www.ae911truth.org/

Skeet/Loreto - 9-12-2008 at 04:18 AM

Those of us wwho have served our country during Wartime, have seen the destruction of Bombs, explosives,Aircraft hitting structures,etc.

There is no Doubt among those of us who have witnessed theses events, only those in our Society of Freedom, who have no experience nor common Sense but rely on the Words of those Naysayers who Hate themselves an America.

It is great to Live in a Country of Freedom where anyone can Spout any Untrue Statements and not be thrown in Jail!

Opinions are just that, No more! Facts are Facts.

It takes all kinds to make up a Society and Culture, Thank God I have been able to live in this Great County for 77 years suffer being Poor and Hungry,able to work, go to School, better my life, Love ,make Money and be Happy.

I Pity those who are not able to Learn, gain Knowledge and appreciate the good things in Life.

Skeet/Loreto

whalemeat - 9-12-2008 at 04:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
To date not one person has been prosecuted for the extensive crimes of 9/11. Not one person charged? Nothing investigated thoroughly. Those who have spoken out in the FBI and CIA have been reassigned or disappeared including John Oneil, who was a leading FBI director in NY and investigator into the plot prior to 9/11 who eventually left the FBI to take a new job, which began on 9/11 in the WTC.

We will prosecute the criminals of 9/11. There is extensive evidence and many researchers, architects, engineers, professors and Federal Enforcements officers who are still speaking out and leading investigations which prove who, what and how this happened. Look into, do not be afraid, do not back off from the truth as ugly and horrific as it is. We must know the truth here?

Be calm, use a scientific approach and look at the science behind the attacks, how the buildings fell, how the planes arrived, look at the news stories, put it all together.

Do a search on Atta, flight shcool, florida, the alleged terrorist leader.

I don't have the answers for you, but I will persist for the victims of 9/11 in the WTC, the emergency responders who died and those are suffering without support, and the worldwide victims now in the millions of our false terror war. This must end, now, and we will take down the perpetrators of 9/11.

Please look into it today, get involved, be angry and outraged that no one has been prosecuted???

A new movie has come out this week, its just a simple project from a young person, I am not sure about it. Check it out its called fabled enemies.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407...



[Edited on 9-11-2008 by gnukid]



I should not take the bait as well but here goes.

There are many who agree with Gnukids belief that the Government was complicit in the tower attack and the collapse of them.
Charley Sheen,Martin Sheen,Rosie ODonnell, Jessie Ventura,Ed Begly jr,Ed Asner,Sharon Stone,James Brolin,Michael Moore,Alec Baldwin,Eminem and Sean Penn to name a few.

Gnukid is in good company as what these people all have in common is their deep personal hatred of the country we love and the fact that they are all complete and utter wack jobs.

Canada has plenty of room for malcontents and I suggest that Gnukid and his crowd move there.

I do find it interesting that these folks think a coverup could be had on this scale when our government has trouble getting the trains at Amtrack to run on time.

I am a democrat and I hate the way these folks are perceived to be from the left.They are from the left and right and are all out of their minds.

[Edited on 9-12-2008 by whalemeat]

ELINVESTIG8R - 9-12-2008 at 05:23 AM



Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks that the government of the United States of America was somehow involved in bringing down the buildings in New York on September 11, 2001 instead of terrorist flying commercial aircraft into those buildings are just plain America hating nut-jobs.

GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba, June 5 -- Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, appeared publicly Thursday for the first time since his capture five years ago and calmly told a U.S. military court that he hopes for a death sentence that will allow him to die "a martyr."




[Edited on 9-12-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

Debunked

TMW - 9-12-2008 at 07:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
To date not one person has been prosecuted for the extensive crimes of 9/11. Not one person charged? Nothing investigated thoroughly. Those who have spoken out in the FBI and CIA have been reassigned or disappeared including John Oneil, who was a leading FBI director in NY and investigator into the plot prior to 9/11 who eventually left the FBI to take a new job, which began on 9/11 in the WTC.

We will prosecute the criminals of 9/11. There is extensive evidence and many researchers, architects, engineers, professors and Federal Enforcements officers who are still speaking out and leading investigations which prove who, what and how this happened. Look into, do not be afraid, do not back off from the truth as ugly and horrific as it is. We must know the truth here?

Be calm, use a scientific approach and look at the science behind the attacks, how the buildings fell, how the planes arrived, look at the news stories, put it all together.

Do a search on Atta, flight shcool, florida, the alleged terrorist leader.

I don't have the answers for you, but I will persist for the victims of 9/11 in the WTC, the emergency responders who died and those are suffering without support, and the worldwide victims now in the millions of our false terror war. This must end, now, and we will take down the perpetrators of 9/11.

Please look into it today, get involved, be angry and outraged that no one has been prosecuted???

A new movie has come out this week, its just a simple project from a young person, I am not sure about it. Check it out its called fabled enemies.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407...



[Edited on 9-11-2008 by gnukid]


Popular Mechanics took the film apart and explained the BS in it on the History channel recently. There will always be those who believe there is a conspiracy behind everything. One is the Jews were behind it because all the Jews that worked in the Towers were told to stay home. The fuel in the airplanes couldn't have melted the steel in the building, Rosey O' dummy's favorite. I know, the guy who really knows the truth was shipped off to some remote island so his kids won't be killed. It goes on and on.

gnukid - 9-12-2008 at 08:17 AM

Whoa I don't what happened? Don't put these assertions on me, I said there have been no prosecutions. I am looking for facts here. I said the investigations by John Oneil where ignored. I said the NIST theories on the collapse are in question by more than those that agree.

One thing is for sure, we are in this together. We have everything in common as a community We have everything to gain by pursuing the prosecution of the perpetrators. Anyone here who has read the 911 Commission Report may also have questions about so much left out?

Hey the only thing that is clear is that the official conspiracy theory put out that binladen iis the perp behind the 19 terrorists who organized this mkaes no sense and has not been proven, in fact the FBI officially states there is no evidence that Bin Laden is responsible and he is not a suspect today?

The whole is strange, but please, I am not the proponent of the answers, I am left with questions that I have every right, desire to pursue. It makes no sense that this is unsolved?

There are too many holes in the official conspiracy theory?

jodiego - 9-12-2008 at 08:38 AM

After reading gnukids comments on the 911 theories, I in no way got that he/she actually believed the conspiracy theories, but rather was just sharing information on the subject. Yet several of you immediately called him/her an unpatriotic whack job who should move to Canada. What the hell is wrong with you people? Why are you so quick to judge and condemn someone for making some comments that you find irritating? I though we lived in a country where everyone is entitled to voice their opinion without having to be threatened, ridiculed, and told to leave the country?

Hooker33 - 9-12-2008 at 09:26 AM

I am curious, are the 9/11 U. S. conspiracy theorists also the individuals that claim that we never made it to the moon and the scenes were merely shot in a studio??

gnukid - 9-12-2008 at 10:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hooker33
I am curious, are the 9/11 U. S. conspiracy theorists also the individuals that claim that we never made it to the moon and the scenes were merely shot in a studio??


In all due respect can we come together here, out of duty to the victims of 9/11, the first responders who died and those injured and suffering without help, the innocent victims who have died--more than a million iraquis who were killed, many children, the innocent afghanis who have been killed, the residual depleted uranium is poisoning many more, we have so many veterans who have died and so many horribly disfigured and poisoned not to mention those who suffer PTSD.

Can we as humans and a community join together to ask ourselves some basic questions and confront our world as horrible as it is to see these things, this is the world that we have created, this is our responsibility.

C'mon, people, there is no reason to fear the truth, or pursuit of truth. There is no reason to run and hide. Lets all take time today to read a few more articles about 9/11 and the wars we wage and think about why this is happening, parallels in history, who is at war? Who is waging war on whom?

We are engaged in aggressions based on the 9/11 in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan, now on the verge of war with Iran and even there is talk of war with Russia? What has Russia or Iran done to the USA?

None of these countries has attacked us, these are pre-emptive strikes based on what? Words? Terror?

Take time to participate in calm, rationale thought and discussion,lets do it together, read 10-20 articles it takes 10 minutes. Follow some links previously noted here. Add some. Do not fear the truth, do not fear discussion. The reality is that yes there is evil among us, that there is a war of words and psychology and we are using more bombs daily than ever before, that even terms such as war have been corrupted.

Lets not attack each other, lets respect each other and the importance here that we evaluate the words, and take ownership of these terms such as war, terror, peace.

At least be aware, that we have been taken down a path since 9/11 that is devastating to our world, we have poisoned our world with munitions and looted our finances, why, who profits, who suffers, what evidence do we have of terror?

Take a moment today to watch videos from multiple viewpoints, or read, choose various sources, compare. Whoever you are, there is no reason not to look at the war we wage closely and to consider why we put our military in the position of killing innocents and at risk of being targeted, millions are dead, many are women and children, millions are injured, millions more displaced, at the hands of US aggression. Many millions more will suffer and die from injury.

I really am sad to see some of you turn so quickly to insults of each other, assaults on each other for considering these issues, though these forums do present a case as examples of the various types of responses to questions.

Lets respect the victims and ask the questions until we get answers.

Each one us has a right and responsibility to demand that the prosecution of the perpetrators of murder of our family and friends on 9/11 and in the lies. That hasn't happened and until it does, we the families and friends of victims of 9/11 will not rest.

Pescador - 9-12-2008 at 10:37 AM

As he sang the last verse of KUMBAYA:fire::fire::fire:

Skeet/Loreto - 9-12-2008 at 11:40 AM

The Acts of those who Hate America and its Great Freedoms can be determined by their use of Words.

In Gnukids first Post he gave himself away by the use of Charged Words"False Terror War"".

Oh so many years ago I attended a class at Fresno State college where by "Charged Words" were used to excite Fear into the Listener>

Over the years it has been interesting to watch the socalled "Wackos" as they try to get their Points across by the use of these words.

It started with Hitler in Germany and I as a 10 year old boy on that Dirt Farm in Texas remember to this very Day_ FDR and his famous address to the Citizens of this Great Country when he said"WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITS SELF!!}.

What we must realizes is that people like Gnudid are Dangerous, that they are out to destroy by exciting Fear into everyone they can change to their way of thinking. a good example was the "Ward Churchill" thing in Denver.

An opposite type of speech can be seen by Boone Pickens who is trying with Honest Discussion about Energy and its use in the Future.
He uses Psoitive Words, not Charged Words. He does not use FEAR. to get his Point across.

But to say the least, people like gnudid are all around, keep in mind to give your Children plenty of warning when these types start creating FEAR in their Lives.

gnukid - 9-12-2008 at 12:43 PM

Please do not deny the right of the victims of 9/11 and their families to have an answer for what happened, through the completed prosecution of those responsible.

We have a powerful nation and enforcement apparatus. Why hasn't the case been solved?

There is no justifiable reason to deny the victims the right to persecution of the perpetrators whoever they may be.

Its completely outrageous Skeet and Elvinstrom that anyone would deny them that right or accuse those demanding a complete investigation to be unAmerican. Thats absurd. World leaders, Senate leaders, ex politician are demanding answers, Jesse Vntura, Senator Karen Johnsen, Senator Kucinich, Andreas Von Bulow of Germany, they all demand answers and an investigation.

I do not agree with their politics but I support the demand.

The only thing unAmerican is denying the rule of law in this case to pursue the criminals. If we have evidence lets put it to trial and complete the trials? Right?

Do you support the victims rights to an investigation? Skeet?

Would you deny them that right Elvinstrom?

There's been no convictions?

Would you accuse me or anyone as un-American for demanding a complete investigation and trial for Murder?

This is not a time for division and intolerance, it is time to come together and support an investigation which adequately addresses the crimes and the perpetrators of 9/11 so that we can move forward.

Do not deny the victims their rights to a real investigation which has evidence and prosecutes the criminals.

Cypress - 9-12-2008 at 01:04 PM

Gosh! The whole event/crime/act-of-war was on live TV!:( The conspiracy crowd that believes our own govt. did it are lost in La La Land.:no:

ELINVESTIG8R - 9-12-2008 at 01:40 PM

Some of the 9-11 conspirators are being tried in Guantanamo Bay Cuba right now as I write this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06...

There are more to be sure and eventually the head cheese Osama Bin Laden will be caught too now that we are doing raids into Pakistan.

As I stated before, anyone and I mean anyone who thinks that the government of the United States of America was somehow involved in bringing down the buildings in New York on September 11, 2001 instead of terrorist flying commercial aircraft into those buildings are just plain America hating nut-jobs.

Here is the charge sheet on the five being tried.

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/terrorism/us...

[Edited on 9-12-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

Baja-Brit - 9-12-2008 at 04:18 PM




Sorry I am late.



As you were.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-12-2008 at 04:18 PM

The Sad state of Affairs is that there are many unlearned People out there who will beleive all the "Fear Mongers" and teach their Children this False Information.

The preceding Post answers the Question of Charges.

Skeet

tripledigitken - 9-12-2008 at 04:39 PM

Thanks for the sentiment Baja-Brit. It's nice to hear support from abroad!

Ken




spelling edit

[Edited on 9-12-2008 by tripledigitken]

TMW - 9-12-2008 at 06:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Please do not deny the right of the victims of 9/11 and their families to have an answer for what happened, through the completed prosecution of those responsible.

We have a powerful nation and enforcement apparatus. Why hasn't the case been solved?

There is no justifiable reason to deny the victims the right to persecution of the perpetrators whoever they may be.

Its completely outrageous Skeet and Elvinstrom that anyone would deny them that right or accuse those demanding a complete investigation to be unAmerican. Thats absurd. World leaders, Senate leaders, ex politician are demanding answers, Jesse Vntura, Senator Karen Johnsen, Senator Kucinich, Andreas Von Bulow of Germany, they all demand answers and an investigation.

I do not agree with their politics but I support the demand.

The only thing unAmerican is denying the rule of law in this case to pursue the criminals. If we have evidence lets put it to trial and complete the trials? Right?

Do you support the victims rights to an investigation? Skeet?

Would you deny them that right Elvinstrom?

There's been no convictions?

Would you accuse me or anyone as un-American for demanding a complete investigation and trial for Murder?

This is not a time for division and intolerance, it is time to come together and support an investigation which adequately addresses the crimes and the perpetrators of 9/11 so that we can move forward.

Do not deny the victims their rights to a real investigation which has evidence and prosecutes the criminals.


Frankly the only answer that would seem to satisfy the victims and the politicians you talk about is to admit there was a conspiracy. The fact is the people that hijacked the airplanes were radical muslims using box cutters. They crashed four airplanes, two into the twin towers, one into the pentagon and one into a field. We know this from cell phone calls from those airplanes. These muslins were part of Osama Bin Laden's group. He himself has said he was responsible. The person that planned the thing is in custody in Getmo and was part of Bin laden's inner circle. I agree that Iraq was not part of 9/11 or Bin Ladens group at first but his jehad radicals are there now. The FBI could have done a much better job on going after the hijackers before it happened and didn't. The CIA could have provided or gathered better intel and didn't. Mistakes were made. The first bombing of the twin towers in 93 should have been a wake up call. For whatever reason people keep trying to make it into a conspiracy and say it wasn't the terroist that hijacked the planes. This stuff never ends. Does anyone really understand how many people would have to be involved in a cover up. If Nixon couldn't do it why would anyone else be able?

woody with a view - 9-12-2008 at 06:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TW
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Please do not deny the right of the victims of 9/11 and their families to have an answer for what happened, through the completed prosecution of those responsible.

We have a powerful nation and enforcement apparatus. Why hasn't the case been solved?

There is no justifiable reason to deny the victims the right to persecution of the perpetrators whoever they may be.

Its completely outrageous Skeet and Elvinstrom that anyone would deny them that right or accuse those demanding a complete investigation to be unAmerican. Thats absurd. World leaders, Senate leaders, ex politician are demanding answers, Jesse Vntura, Senator Karen Johnsen, Senator Kucinich, Andreas Von Bulow of Germany, they all demand answers and an investigation.

I do not agree with their politics but I support the demand.

The only thing unAmerican is denying the rule of law in this case to pursue the criminals. If we have evidence lets put it to trial and complete the trials? Right?

Do you support the victims rights to an investigation? Skeet?

Would you deny them that right Elvinstrom?

There's been no convictions?

Would you accuse me or anyone as un-American for demanding a complete investigation and trial for Murder?

This is not a time for division and intolerance, it is time to come together and support an investigation which adequately addresses the crimes and the perpetrators of 9/11 so that we can move forward.

Do not deny the victims their rights to a real investigation which has evidence and prosecutes the criminals.


Frankly the only answer that would seem to satisfy the victims and the politicians you talk about is to admit there was a conspiracy. The fact is the people that hijacked the airplanes were radical muslims using box cutters. They crashed four airplanes, two into the twin towers, one into the pentagon and one into a field. We know this from cell phone calls from those airplanes. These muslins were part of Osama Bin Laden's group. He himself has said he was responsible. The person that planned the thing is in custody in Getmo and was part of Bin laden's inner circle. I agree that Iraq was not part of 9/11 or Bin Ladens group at first but his jehad radicals are there now. The FBI could have done a much better job on going after the hijackers before it happened and didn't. The CIA could have provided or gathered better intel and didn't. Mistakes were made. The first bombing of the twin towers in 93 should have been a wake up call. For whatever reason people keep trying to make it into a conspiracy and say it wasn't the terroist that hijacked the planes. This stuff never ends. Does anyone really understand how many people would have to be involved in a cover up. If Nixon couldn't do it why would anyone else be able?



ENUFF SAID!!!!!!

greybaby - 9-12-2008 at 07:08 PM

We were proudly living in Mexico at the time of 9/11. Our youngest son was stationed at Fort Bragg, NC - 82nd Airborne - paratrooper. Our hearts nearly stopped as we realized this would impact him in a way we never dreamed. And we were right. He went to war, returned safely and now has probably lived the nightmare much as soldiers from wars past. The cost of freedom nearly took him from us - due to the trauma, etc., that no one should ever have to face. But he did and it made us that much prouder to be Americans. Freedom is not free. God bless America.