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Interesting story from TS (via Baja Western Onion)

Marie-Rose - 9-14-2008 at 08:46 AM

Important Information - On Thursday morning of this week, whilst walking with friends and our dogs on the beach, between Calle International and Calle Los Mangoes, we were approached by a Mexican man riding a green quad who informed us he worked for the turtle group on behalf of Profepa and that it was against the law to walk dogs on the beach. When we questioned this law he said he would call the police i we did not leave immediately.

Shortly after, two policeman sped down the beach towards us on the same green quad. One of my dogs was in the path of the quad but they made no attempt to slow down or stop and just ran over my dog. The policeman who was driving was shouting at us to get off the beach. I was screaming at him to move his quad as my dog was struggling to get up. The wheel of the quad was just inches from my dogs head but he revved up and started forward. My friend and I jumped in front of the quad to push it back to release my dog who would be dead if it were not for the soft sand.

They chased us off the beach with the quad and they were very very menacing and intimidating. We are in the process of issuing a formal complaint but we want everyone to be aware that if they are walking dogs on the beach they may be treated in the same manner. We have since checked with Profepa and THERE IS NO SUCH LAW and nor does the man affiliated with the turtles work for Profepa. - Anita, Todos Santos

woody with a view - 9-14-2008 at 08:49 AM

seems an asss whoopin' may be in order....quads screaming down the beach are okay, but not a dog??? P-nche brutos!

David K - 9-14-2008 at 08:51 AM

Welcome to a world controlled by enviromental nonesense!

I am sorry about what happened Marie-Rose... I hope your dog can recover.

Did it not scare you with the quad approaching so close to you??

I hope you get some justice!!

Hook - 9-14-2008 at 08:56 AM

My guess is that is wasn't environmentally related at all, based on what Profepa said.

If this doesnt reoccur, then someone wanted people off the beach at a specific time for a specific reason.

I'm sure one reason comes to mind for many of us...............

baron - 9-14-2008 at 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Welcome to a world controlled by enviromental nonesense!

I am sorry about what happened Marie-Rose... I hope your dog can recover.

Did it not scare you with the quad approaching so close to you??

I hope you get some justice!!

Marie-Rose - 9-14-2008 at 08:59 AM

Just to clariy... this was copied from the Baja Western Onion this am.
Not my dog David, but thanks for the sentiments. I'm sure Anita
would appreciate the thoughts. :yes:

805gregg - 9-14-2008 at 09:03 AM

Formal complaint to who?

Diver - 9-14-2008 at 09:16 AM

Sounds like a good time to walk the beach with a few well-trained Rotweilers. :smug:

bajabound2005 - 9-14-2008 at 09:18 AM

In the Federal Zone of protected areas the quads themselves are illegal as are all motorized vehicles...

vandenberg - 9-14-2008 at 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
My guess is that is wasn't environmentally related at all, based on what Profepa said.

If this doesnt reoccur, then someone wanted people off the beach at a specific time for a specific reason.

I'm sure one reason comes to mind for many of us...............

Hook,
That was my first thought exactly.

David K - 9-14-2008 at 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by Marie-Rose
Just to clariy... this was copied from the Baja Western Onion this am.
Not my dog David, but thanks for the sentiments. I'm sure Anita
would appreciate the thoughts. :yes:

OK, I am glad for you then, can you verify the story? Do you know who it happened to??

DENNIS - 9-14-2008 at 09:26 AM

The man driving the quad has earned for himself a severe beating. I hope someone down there is up to the task.

gnukid - 9-14-2008 at 09:55 AM

The turtle camps along Todo Santos are independent of each other. Near the pemex Griselda has long run the turtle camp and to the south a professor and to the north another association. Once established, they wield power and collect money to protect turtles and there is jealously and so forth between them. Actually Profepa is not running the camps, though they would like to claim they are. Each camp does have jackets with badges...

The incident reported may or may not be true, but likely is only political to discredit one of the camps in order to take it over. I would ignore this story as political hype and continue to support the independent camps, take walks and manage your beaches safely as you see fit.

In the past all the camp and volunteers have dogs, and dogs have been welcome but they must be kept back during hatching release which occurs at prior to sunset. And no one I know that supports turtle conservation would want to hurt a dog.

Anyways always bring a camera if you can to catch the turtles and any other action.

CaboRon - 9-14-2008 at 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by vandenberg

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Hook,
That was my first thought exactly.

That is what first came to mind for me too ....

When the smugglers start landing pangas on our beach they are desperate .... it is a tough landing :!:

I would like to know if the first guy was actually patrolling the beach for Patricia Blum's Tortuga group ?

Then again, if he was, what a great job for a smuggler ...

Maybe someone could email or phone her .... I am out of mins.

CaboRon

Hook - 9-14-2008 at 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
The turtle camps along Todo Santos are independent of each other. Near the pemex Griselda has long run the turtle camp and to the south a professor and to the north another association. Once established, they wield power and collect money to protect turtles and there is jealously and so forth between them. Actually Profepa is not running the camps, though they would like to claim they are. Each camp does have jackets with badges...

The incident reported may or may not be true, but likely is only political to discredit one of the camps in order to take it over. I would ignore this story as political hype and continue to support the independent camps, take walks and manage your beaches safely as you see fit.

In the past all the camp and volunteers have dogs, and dogs have been welcome but they must be kept back during hatching release which occurs at prior to sunset. And no one I know that supports turtle conservation would want to hurt a dog.

Anyways always bring a camera if you can to catch the turtles and any other action.

Driving around on quads in a turtle sanctuary?????

DianaT - 9-14-2008 at 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Welcome to a world controlled by enviromental nonesense!

Another political nonsense comment.

gnukid, that is a beautiful picture. I assume you took it while walking?

While I fully support protecting the turtles, I hope all the details of that story are not correct---the part about the dog, especially. That is awful. Just can't imagine anyone involved in saving one animal would want to run over another animal.

Diane

gnukid - 9-14-2008 at 10:20 AM

Each camp has quads to patrol the area they manage, they normally go out at night, 12am-5am to look for turtles who are laying eggs, to protect them from poachers and to collect the eggs which they move back to the secure cage for incubation. The nests are reburied and documented, after the incubation of about 40-41 days the eggs are hatching and the managers collect the hatchlings and release them normally at about sunset.

The quads should be driven to the high side of the beach, well above the highest high tide line, not at the waters edge where damage would occur. If you are out at night, between 12-5am you would encounter either the volunteers and researchers doing their patrols, or poacher, or something else. Definitely each group has a separate motivations so observers are needed.

Anyone is welcome to come and observe and help in the nightly process, volunteer or contribute financially.

http://vps.ooto.com/122105/
http://vps.ooto.com/101604/pages/PICT0015.htm

bajajudy - 9-14-2008 at 10:31 AM

There are a lot of fill in the blanks in this story.

Do Anita and her friends speak Spanish. Is there a chance that they had in fact wandered into a nesting area...dogs are a huge problems for turtle eggs....and these guys were just trying to protect a nest? I will also say, after putting on my asbestos shorts, that if you are walking your dogs in a nesting area, they should be on leashes.

Having said all that....did they see any square groupers washing up on shore?

Diver - 9-14-2008 at 10:37 AM

Folks found the nests at La Ventana last year and build guards around them.
Unfortunately, their were no fertile eggs to hatch last year.

turtle.jpg - 34kB

DENNIS - 9-14-2008 at 10:37 AM

"False flag"..."Red Herring"..........The government and the cartels have been perfecting these techniques for years. It's always the cartel in military uniform when things go bad.
Anyway, maybe the person who made up the story deserves the beating.

DianaT - 9-14-2008 at 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by bajajudy
I will also say, after putting on my asbestos shorts, that if you are walking your dogs in a nesting area, they should be on leashes.

The way our dogs like to dig in the sand, that is excellent advice.

Would love to see the turtle nesting areas, but think I would leave the pooches in the truck.

Diane

oxxo - 9-14-2008 at 11:15 AM

We have had a lot of trouble with free running dogs digging up turtle nests even in fenced in areas. I have seen owners, both American and Mexican, laugh as we (Mexicans and Americans) try to chase the dogs away. The dogs in the BWO story were obviously not on a leash. If the woman was running her dogs in a turtle nesting area, she was uninformed and hopefully has learned from this experience.

Marie-Rose - 9-14-2008 at 12:01 PM

www.bajawesternonion.com

Just in case anyone wants to check out the article posted... above is the link.

This story can absolutely be verified and Anita does speak Spanish.

Kell-Baja - 9-14-2008 at 04:35 PM

I agree!!! What an awful thing to happen

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Woooosh - 9-15-2008 at 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by oxxo
We have had a lot of trouble with free running dogs digging up turtle nests even in fenced in areas. I have seen owners, both American and Mexican, laugh as we (Mexicans and Americans) try to chase the dogs away. The dogs in the BWO story were obviously not on a leash. If the woman was running her dogs in a turtle nesting area, she was uninformed and hopefully has learned from this experience.

So running over the dogs is justified? Typical Mexico stuck on stooooopid metality.

Even her in Rosarito Beach the police and "lifeguards" go way too fast and way too close to people on their quads. They pile their boogey-boarding friends on the back, no helmets, they don';t even watch the water most of the time. Since they can't even swim (cronyism at it's stupidest)- I guess the quad rides and chasing everyone out of the water is the best they can do.

The federal zone is taking a beating in Rosarito. Not only is the sand retreating- the land bandits are building too far out onto the area. On top of that they use barbed wire to mark the land they are stealing- creating a hazard for the january tides. The city doesn't seem to care- as it is now you won't be able to walk the length of the tourist beach this winter for all the encroachments.

oxxo - 9-15-2008 at 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
So running over the dogs is justified? Typical Mexico stuck on stooooopid metality.

I didn't say that, that is what you wanted to read. Typical Nomad stuck on stooooooopid "metality."

woody with a view - 9-15-2008 at 10:22 AM

you're right. you didn't say that. but the insinuation was SCREAMING. i read it the same way. so that means you might think of how what you say might be interpreted before you hit the post button.

maybe we all could from time to time....

edit:spelling

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by woody in ob]

oxxo - 9-15-2008 at 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
you're right. you didn't say that. but the insinuation was SCREAMING.

I can't do anything about Nomad's apriori convictions other than to correct them. You know nothing about me or my relationship with dogs. It's called jumping to conclusions. I'm saying right here that you and whoosh are wrong.

Now it will be interesting to see what you think I'm insinuating and SCREAMING about in this post.

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by oxxo]

woody with a view - 9-15-2008 at 10:53 AM

like talking to a wall sometimes....

oxxo - 9-15-2008 at 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
like talking to a wall sometimes....

If you want to insult me, please do it via U2U.

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 11:42 AM

NOOOO. Don't U2U your insults. They're a form of communication..spicey and fun to watch. Loaded with heartfelt meaning and all that stuff.
Besides Oxxo, I don't think it was a real insult but, an objective observation.
By the way, everything that's disagreeable to you isn't necessarily an insult, as in the case above.

CaboRon - 9-15-2008 at 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
NOOOO. Don't U2U your insults. They're a form of communication..spicey and fun to watch. Loaded with heartfelt meaning and all that stuff.
Besides Oxxo, I don't think it was a real insult but, an objective observation.
By the way, everything that's disagreeable to you isn't necessarily an insult, as in the case above.

Keep those insults in the open forum

Woooosh - 9-15-2008 at 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo

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Originally posted by Woooosh
So running over the dogs is justified? Typical Mexico stuck on stooooopid metality.

I didn't say that, that is what you wanted to read. Typical Nomad stuck on stooooooopid "metality."

So the typical nomad is stupid then- or just me? :lol:

BCSTech - 9-15-2008 at 12:13 PM

Back on topic...

1. A number of us in TS know Anita, so the "conspiracy theorists" can relax.

2. She is not making this up, and would have no reason to do so.

3. Others have recently reported the same issue (yes, we know them, too, and you can read their report in the next issue of the Baja Western Onion).

4. Many of us let our dogs run off leash on the beach and have been doing so for years without a complaint or a problem. I don't recall ever seeing or reading of a Mexican Leash law on the beach.

5. We all know where the turtle nests are located, and they're fenced to keep out animals.

6. The area where this happened, Camino Internacional and Calle Los Mangos are far north of the nests.

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo
Typical Nomad stuck on stooooooopid "mentality."

Now see? That was an insult. It had all the ingredients and was fun to watch. I even corrected your spelling to enhance the quality.
Thanks oxxo. Everybody owes you one. :lol:

gnukid - 9-15-2008 at 12:49 PM

Weird confrontations happen all the time around the turtle camps with raised emotion and the issue of turtle conservation. The area up and down the beach for many kilometers is almost like a magnet for political chaos for these world traveling turtles. The volunteers get invested and who are they likely to encounter? Gringo dog walker! Poacher! Trafficker! Politician!

Imagine you really were a "turtle conservationist" helping research and protect turtles. You would be required to do all your regular chores all day, take a nap, then get up at 12am-4am to go patrol for Turtles laying eggs. Then you sleep a little and get back to work. Its a stressful schedule with interrupted sleep, so they get grouchy. :barf:

So its possible the agents felt they were absolutely justified and had to restrict the dog during release or the dog was running generally loose in the area? Thank goodness everyone is okay now and sounds like both parties learned, as did readers, about restricting dogs from the area because of turtles are exiting/entering the ocean.

Marie-Rose - 9-15-2008 at 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid

So its possible the agents felt they were absolutely justified and had to restrict the dog during release or the dog was running generally loose in the area? Thank goodness everyone is okay now and sounds like both parties learned, as did readers, about restricting dogs from the area because of turtles are exiting/entering the ocean.

I guess the most concerning part of all of this is that it does seem that Anita was anywhere near the "turtle nesting". She was quite a ways further north along the beach.

gnukid - 9-15-2008 at 01:32 PM

The other poster said is was at Calle Mangos, there is camp close to Calle Mango. Thats where the photo I posted earlier was taken. The turtles will enter exactly the same spot to lay eggs that they were born (if they can I think approximately), even though they travel around the world. The goal therefore is to go out and patrol a few kms to the north or south and patrol. Mark the nest for its location and incubate then return it, to its spot for release of the hatchlings. So you see the entire region, everywhere there are efforts to protect turtles.

Well here are the contact numbers for Paty and German who you could speak to if you were concerned about clarifying beach access for dogs, or volunteering.

http://www.todostortugueros.org/

President: Paty Baum 145-0882

Vigilante: Jorge 044.612.141.4726

Biologist Technician: German Agundez 044.612.117.2617

Field Operations Coordinator: Francesca 044.612.169.4254

oxxo - 9-15-2008 at 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I don't think it was a real insult but, an objective observation./quote]

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Originally posted by woody in ob
you're right. you didn't say that. but the insinuation was SCREAMING.

oxxo - 9-15-2008 at 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRonKeep those insults in the open forum

Ron are you one those hippie guys I see hanging out at Shut Up Franks every time drive by?

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo
A real class act!

I know you're trying to make a point but, it escapes me. Could you just come out and say what's on your mind?

woody with a view - 9-15-2008 at 01:55 PM

probably running low in his/hers/its meds..... paranoia is creeping... :light:

CaboRon - 9-15-2008 at 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo

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Originally posted by CaboRonKeep those insults in the open forum

Ron are you one those hippie guys I see hanging out at Shut Up Franks every time drive by?

Actually, I have only stopped in to Frank's once for about five min. I walked into the bathroom and it was soooo disgusting I left and never went back in.

If you want to check out the sanitary conditions in a business, just go and look at the bathroom.

So, my message to Frank is, if you want my business, clean up your act.

You were right on the old hippy call, except I don't look like that anymore.

Here is a pic from 1969 , I am on the left dressed in brown.
We were doing sound for an outdoor concert featuring Quicksilver Messanger Service. Here is a clip from the closeing night of the Fillmore .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EacQEhrbBQ

In fact I spoke to their manager just last week .... Some friendships last for decades.

CaboRon

[Edited on 9-16-2008 by CaboRon]

BCSTech - 9-15-2008 at 02:35 PM

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So, the cops felt it was absolutely justified to run over someone's dog? Regardless of whether this "agent" or the police were protecting turtles or not, running over someone's dog sounds like an extreme way to make your point. I'm not sure anything was "learned" except to try and avoid maniacs on quads while running your dogs on the beach. Pretty certain that Anita (and most of the rest of the responsible "dogs on the beach" crowd) already know to stay away from the turtle nests, and don't need someone intimidating them with imaginary laws to protect the turtles.

(Edited to correct who ran over the dog)

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by BCSTech]

Have another hit...

Dave - 9-15-2008 at 02:50 PM

of fresh air.

<I think I'm having a flashback.>

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Originally posted by CaboRon
We were doing sound for an outdoor concert featuring Quicksilver Messanger Service.

BEST Haight band.

Well.....I'd put 'It's a Beautiful Day' up there, too.

Terry28 - 9-15-2008 at 03:01 PM

What no Jefferson Airplane??

CaboRon - 9-15-2008 at 03:01 PM

I used to do sound for "It's a Beautiful Day" also, will never forget David LaFlame's powerful violin .....

Remember "White Bird" ???? This from 1971 ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0J77CRMeTA

CaboRon

[Edited on 9-16-2008 by CaboRon]

oxxo - 9-15-2008 at 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Terry28
What no Jefferson Airplane??

Yep, I was there. Also Country Joe. I have many of the original posters.

Nope

Dave - 9-15-2008 at 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by Terry28
What no Jefferson Airplane??

And no Dead*. Liked Big Brother-HATED Joplin. She couldn't sing her way out of a sack-o-****. Same for Slick.

< One Grateful Dead Album. Their first.

oxxo - 9-15-2008 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
probably running low in his/hers/its meds..... paranoia is creeping... :light:

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Originally posted by woody in ob
you're right. you didn't say that. but the insinuation was SCREAMING.

Someone's drinking water has gone skunky!

oxxo - 9-15-2008 at 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I know you're trying to make a point but, it escapes me. Could you just come out and say what's on your mind?

Your words speak for themselves.

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo
[Your words speak for themselves.

Please...give us the benefit of your insight. Tell all of us what they say to you. You do have some idea, don't you? You must, after all your caustic comments.
I'll just venture a guess that you won't respond to this with anything that makes sense.

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by DENNIS]

CaboRon - 9-15-2008 at 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by Terry28
What no Jefferson Airplane??

And no Dead*. Liked Big Brother-HATED Joplin. She couldn't sing her way out of a sack-o-****. Same for Slick.

< One Grateful Dead Album. Their first.

The first time I saw Big Brother and the Holding Company was at Speedway Meadows in Golden Gate Park ......

It was a Sunday afternoon and when I heard Janice sing "Summertime" I was blown away .... never missed a local gig again .... she was incredable .... As to the band, well, poor Sam Andrew was one of the worst gutair players in town.

Here is a clip of Summertime with a really bad guitair intro from Sam (may he rest now).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzNEgcqWDG4

CaboRon

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 04:40 PM

I have a little sticky note on my monitor, part of my parole agreement, that says in so many words that it wouldn't be in my best interest to get into a discussion with you about this. Sooooo, bye bye.

Hey Ron

Bajajack - 9-15-2008 at 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by Terry28
What no Jefferson Airplane??

And no Dead*. Liked Big Brother-HATED Joplin. She couldn't sing her way out of a sack-o-****. Same for Slick.

< One Grateful Dead Album. Their first.

Remember when all the future somebody's and nobody's were playing at the Filmore, those were the day's.

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Bajajack
Remember when all the future somebody's and nobody's were playing at the Filmore, those were the day's.

Oh yeah. Including the Hell's Angels before they got involved in the Baja 1000.

oxxo - 9-15-2008 at 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I have a little sticky note on my monitor, part of my parole agreement, that says in so many words that it wouldn't be in my best interest to get into a discussion with you about this. Sooooo, bye bye.

Give us a little more insight Dennis

Bajajack - 9-15-2008 at 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajajack
Remember when all the future somebody's and nobody's were playing at the Filmore, those were the day's.

Oh yeah. Including the Hell's Angels before they got involved in the Baja 1000.

are you saying the HA were involved in some shady behavior or something along those lines???

Bajabus - 9-15-2008 at 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by CaboRon
We were doing sound for an outdoor concert featuring Quicksilver Messanger Service.

BEST Haight band.

Well.....I'd put 'It's a Beautiful Day' up there, too.

I would second that and put the GD and Country Joe up there too.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU

David K - 9-15-2008 at 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by BCSTech
Back on topic...

1. A number of us in TS know Anita, so the "conspiracy theorists" can relax.

2. She is not making this up, and would have no reason to do so.

3. Others have recently reported the same issue (yes, we know them, too, and you can read their report in the next issue of the Baja Western Onion).

4. Many of us let our dogs run off leash on the beach and have been doing so for years without a complaint or a problem. I don't recall ever seeing or reading of a Mexican Leash law on the beach.

5. We all know where the turtle nests are located, and they're fenced to keep out animals.

6. The area where this happened, Camino Internacional and Calle Los Mangos are far north of the nests.

Exactly MY point ... Indeed someone or some group is using the 'SAVE THE TURTLES' (which I am for) program to control human movement on a planet we belong to as well! Using an eviromental cause to restrict personal freedoms (which I am against). It's the 'I am better than you because I care... so take a hike' mentality of those who USE enviromental issues to gain power and more control that I have a problem with!

Thank you BCS Tech for the facts FROM Todos Santos!

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by Bajajack
are you saying the HA were involved in some shady behavior or something along those lines???

No. I didn't mention "shady" or "lines." Get your mind out of the gutter.

woody with a view - 9-15-2008 at 05:43 PM

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It's the 'I am better than you because I care... so take a hike' mentality of those who USE enviromental issues to gain power and more control that I have a problem with!

just like all of those fools against the trestles toll road. if they want to sit in rush hour traffic instead of being able to use a new route, i'm all for their decision.

CaboRon - 9-15-2008 at 06:13 PM

What is the Trestles toll Road ?

Is it in Baja ??

CaboRon

woody with a view - 9-15-2008 at 06:30 PM

sorry i zoomed off topic.

google it. not in baja.

BCSTech - 9-15-2008 at 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
sorry i zoomed off topic.

Hasn't stopped anyone else around here... :rolleyes:

Marie-Rose - 9-15-2008 at 08:40 PM

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Hasn't stopped anyone else around here... :rolleyes:

motoged - 9-15-2008 at 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by Marie-Rose
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Hasn't stopped anyone else around here... :rolleyes:

Hey, can those other guys get back to pi$$ing on each other?

All this flashback to the 60's reminds me of the 70's.... :biggrin:

Waddabout that drum solo in Inagodadavida...some of the musicians in those days had the right idea (if not the skills) and laid out a framework....the drugs just let us fill in the blanks.. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBbv2v0xOlA&feature=related

Boy, it sure sounded better back then....

Two Comments From The latest Issue of The Baja Western Onion:

BCSTech - 9-17-2008 at 10:19 PM

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Harassment On The Beach - I live in Barrio San Sebastian. On Thursday morning while walking with my dog to the beach I was passed by a truck full of policemen on their way to the beach also. They parked on a sand dune and two of them jumped out and walked towards the beach.At the same moment a man on a quad drove towards them. From where I was standing on the beach, it appeared that one policeman jumped on the quad and another one walked on the beach all heading towards the turtle nesting site. As I was walking and playing with my dog. I noticed that all the police were now standing on the dunes.

A few minutes later, the man on the quad came back to the dune from the desert side of the beach and the policeman who had been on the quad returned on foot. The next thing I noticed is that everyone was pointing in my direction. Then, as the cops got back in their truck to leave, the man on the quad sped towards me and snarled at me that "dogs are not allowed on the beach." I laughed and asked him, “since when?” He replied,”The beach is private property and it's against maritime law to have dogs on the beach.” He told me that the police would arrest me and take my dog. I told him that I have lived here for many years and know that is not true. He got angry and told me that I've been warned and I'd better watch out!

This man seemed dangerous and aggressive to me and I have been scratching my head,trying to figure out what was really going on,at the beach. After reading Anita’s story, which is so similar to mine, I am wondering more than ever what was happening on the beach which required that I be lied to and intimidated. I wonder also who else has had this kind of experience? - Catanya, Todos Santos

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Reply To 'No Dogs On Beach' Incident - My wife inherited a cop's sense of funny business, and she thinks the guys on the ATV were up to no good, and wanted to chase off any witnesses. Notice the lack of request for mordida. What can we do if our beach has become a link in the drug highway? I can't imagine poachers being that violent, and the policeman driver sounds more scared than angry. - Tom Gafford

CaboRon - 9-18-2008 at 09:36 AM

Many months ago our new congresswoman for Todos Santos promised they were going to replace the entire police department ..... This has not happened .... Why ?
Has she already been bought off ?

And it looks like now we have become a new unloading beach for the Cartel .... The police are totally out of control...

Are we headed down the road to becomming another Rosarito Beach ?

Is BCS becomming the newest battlefield in the Cartel wars ?

And what about the the new mayor Rosa Delia ?

What the H is she doing ?

These are not political statements :lol:

CaboRon

David K - 9-18-2008 at 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
someone wanted people off the beach at a specific time for a specific reason.

I'm sure one reason comes to mind for many of us...............

I thought the same thing and mostly still do....

although David K's ridiculous connection between enviro laws and Woody's Trestles-Toll Road swipe have me thinking maybe it isn't drug smugglers at all.

Possibly it is some anti- enviro wackos smuggling as a fundraiser bootlegged coipes of Quicksilver Messenger Service and Eat Turtle Now Before There Are None Left! and Build More Toll Roads Now at Taxpayers Expense bumper stickers into Todos Santos, the place recently voted in the periodical, Cristál Hoy, easiest place to score barter goods for your next fix! :lol:

But, it is just more business as usual, it' a bit of a problem in Mexico. Baja is now in Mexico. Bienvenidos!

Don Jorge... what IS rediculous is chasing away or running over dogs on a leash while riding an ATV saying the dogs will hurt sea turtles (and the cop's ATV won't?). Maybe I didn't word it right or maybe you misread what I was typed?

Have a nice day...

CaboRon - 9-18-2008 at 03:38 PM

Their is no mention of the dog being on a leash.

David K - 9-18-2008 at 04:31 PM

Sorry that bothers you George, but the person who ran over the dog claimed to be PROTECTING the sea turtles... and IMO that is enviromental nonesense... Does it make sense to you?? I sure hope not.

I post a lot of factual information from my personal experiences, and it it there for all who love Baja to enjoy... On a thread like this on this PUBLIC forum, a post was made by Marie-Rose that she read on a blog or newsletter... and it was posted to share with us and create a reaction. That the person who ran over the dog was claiming to do so to protect turtles was crazy.

Sure the 'real' reason sounds more like a drug deal... But, they claimed it was for 'enviromental protection' to keep the dogs off the beach. THAT my friend is what I was giving opinion on... Have a nice day.

BCSTech - 9-18-2008 at 10:15 PM

OK fellas, sit tight. There is more information coming on this issue that may answer some of these questions.

Hook - 9-19-2008 at 06:52 AM

All right, people, place your bets! The options are:

drug cartel sweep of the beach
enviro-wacko nonsense
turtle egg omelete for the Guv
Landlords gone wild!
Poachers gone wild!
ATV riders gone wild!
Anita on amanita

woody with a view - 9-19-2008 at 07:53 AM

Hook, i'm surprised! with your complete collection of, "girls gone wild" you didn't offer it as a choice.

my money is on Anita.

Hook - 9-19-2008 at 08:24 AM

I left out one other option that I determined was more remote:

Dead members of Quicksilver Messenger Service riding Harley's from beyond the firmament.

BCSTech - 9-20-2008 at 03:28 PM

Passing along what was reported to me...

There are two groups in Todos Santos handling turtle protection, Grupo Tortuguero Todos Santos and Todos Tortugueros. The individual harassing the dog walkers is reported to be one Endidino Castillo, the head of Grupo Tortuguero Todos Santos.

All of the former members of Grupo Tortuguero Todos Santos were reportedly driven out by Sr. Castillo, and they left to form Todos Tortugueros. There is tension between these two groups and apparently some ongoing competition for funding.

BCSTech - 9-20-2008 at 08:01 PM

From The Baja Western Onion, Saturday September 20:

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Dogs On Beach - A Mexican Tortuga official on a quad at the beach in Pescadero, last year, warned all the Pescadero residents that the Mexican agency in charge of the Turtle(Tortuga) nesting projects was working for a no dogs on the beach policy as dogs have a tendency to dig nests and crap on the beach, and the owners don't take responsibility for their dogs. Lo siento Gringos in Mexico - Amy, Todos Santos

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No Dogs On Beach - I have not read the Marine law but I have been told that most (if not all) of the beaches in Cabo have enforced the "no dogs on the beach" law. I have a friend there with two dogs and she mentioned to me last year that they often come up to Cerritos to run the dogs as they can no longer take them on the beach in and around Cabo. Maybe it is a law that they are just starting to enforce - like so many other laws here in Mexico. - Diane Knight, Todos Santos

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Harassment Of Dog Owners On The Beach - What some of you citizens have been experiencing is what the Todos Tortugueros group members have been experiencing throughout this entire season. We know who this person is. I would urge any and all Mexicanos and foreign residents to voice their experiences and together file an official complaint or demanda on the individual who harassed you so that the proper authorities are made aware of what this person is doing. That he is now using the local police to further his goals is not good.

The official word from Profepa is that there is no law regarding dogs on the beaches of Mexico. I would also suggest that people make a complaint directly to Profepa in La Paz. I'm sure a reader out there can provide a contact name and number. If you want more information as to the identity of this individual and some of the background to these incidents, please contact me. - Steve Merrill, Todos Santos

[Edited on 9-22-2008 by BCSTech]

David K - 9-20-2008 at 08:10 PM

Thanks BCSTech... enforces what seemed to have happened... enviro cops making up their own laws to take away freedoms from others on public land.

I wonder if there is any 'safe' dog beach where people can take their animals without fear of them being run over by police on quads?