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Crossing the border/driving while black

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Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 03:35 PM

Is it just me, or does anyone else on this forum get hasseled for;

1. Not having a front license plate.
2. Driving a capable 4WD vehicle.
3. Being alone.
4. Driving an $expensive$ vehicle.
5. Having a passport that contains stamps from South America.
6. Being a minority.
7. Driving while Black.

DENNIS - 9-14-2008 at 03:40 PM

You mean they actually look at the stamps in your passport?

Ken...They hassle everybody. If you'll look, there's a lot of white people in secondary. The customs people, many of them, are just plain nasty. It's sad to think that, for some visitors to the states, this is the first thing they see.

Edit for afterthoughts

[Edited on 9-14-2008 by DENNIS]

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
You mean they actually look at the stamps in your passport?

After they see the stamps that read 'Peru' and 'Colombia' the 1st question is..."...Exactly where did you take this vehicle?"

The next question is... "...Exactly, who owns this vehicle?"

For Mexican-Americans driving Chrysler 300s, its usually, "How can you afford to drive this vehicle?" I have seen 300s marked down to as low as $16,000.00 recently. But, that's not the point.

Tried it once

Dave - 9-14-2008 at 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke
7. Driving while Black.

Wasn't good at it.

DENNIS - 9-14-2008 at 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

The next question is... "...Exactly, who owns this vehicle?"

That's their game. They don't care about the answer, but how you present it. If you seem nervous, they look a bit closer. I wish I had a Pacifico for every time they've asked me, "Is this your vehicle?"

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 03:55 PM

No, they run through their top-5 questions, and then they ask for the passport, and then they watch your eyeballs when you answer each question.

In Miami, they sent me to this special table in customs when I returned from Colombia in July. The officer wanted to know, "What is an American doing in Colombia for 1 week alone???" They didn't like me saying, "Making new friends."

Kell-Baja - 9-14-2008 at 04:29 PM

No worries next time just take me with you... Then they can ask what a black man and white women were doing in Columbia for a week :bounce:

or mexico or whereever else we are going. LOl :lol:

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by Kell-Baja
No worries next time just take me with you... Then they can ask what a black man and white women were doing in Columbia for a week :bounce:

or mexico or whereever else we are going. LOl :lol:

That sounds pretty cool. I can go for that anytime! CARAMBA!

lizard lips - 9-14-2008 at 04:49 PM

The first three pages of my passport are stamped with Colombia stamps and I have never been questioned. I have also four inserts that needed to be attached with my passport and stamps from all over the world including Russia, Pakistan, India and have never been questioned but they always ask me if the car Im driving is mine.

The only time I have ever had a problem was when I flew into Kingston Jamaica probably because I wasn't black! I'm going there again tomorrow so I'll see if I'm singled out again just for my color or my lack of dredlocks.

[Edited on 01/10/2007 by lizard lips]

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 05:06 PM

They never said anything about my trips to the republic of aaland, estonia, or finland...WTF? :?:

David K - 9-14-2008 at 05:24 PM

Ken, I always have our passports in my hand when I cruise up to the booth... they take it once they have entered my truck's license into the computer (newest passports, passport cards and Sentris have a chip and that info will already be on their monitor).

Two weeks ago we were only asked one question... "bringing any fruits or veggies?" It is usually the question of 'what are we bringing back' and/ or 'how long were we in Mexico'. Almost no other questions, and almost never secondary...except once when a new guy didn't know limes were permitted fruit and once more to take our excess (U.S. store bought) firewood bundle he saw in my truck.

Seriously for you, a front license plate is CALIF. law, so they may want to know why you are disobeying that... and have the passport out at the very start so he/ she doesn't need to ask for it...

They are there for a long time and interviewing hundreds per day... people who can and do bring illegal items into the U.S on purpose or by accident. They are there to keep America safe and free from contamination of bugs or protect California liquor stores from too much good Baja booze entering and taking away sales!

Your skin has a darker tan than mine, but that isn't a reason they ask you more question IMO. :biggrin:

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by David K]

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 05:31 PM

David, I plan on spending New Years in Barranquilla, Colombia. Wanna ride w/me? :spingrin:

If you had a stamp on your passport that read 'COLOMBIA', you would get the 3rd degree. You better stay in Baja...

Iflyfish - 9-14-2008 at 05:33 PM

Ken,
There is no racial prejudice in Mexico, the Carribean or the USofA for that matter. Take it from this weho (sp?). Pardon me mal Espanol.

Iflyfish

David K - 9-14-2008 at 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke
David, I plan on spending New Years in Barranquilla, Colombia. Wanna ride w/me? :spingrin:

If you had a stamp on your passport that read 'COLOMBIA', you would get the 3rd degree. You better stay in Baja...

That's okay Ken... I found my Baja Angel right here in America... Now we travel together and are seeing many new places... and returning to the great old ones, too...

That's my point... if I have Colombia visa stamps I would expect a 3rd degree search or question... black or beige skin color doesn't matter.

Please be careful!!

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by David K]

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by Ken CookeThat's my point... if I have Columbia visa stamps I would expect a 3rd degree search or question... black or beige skin color doesn't matter.

Please be careful!!

David, you have spelled 'Colombia' incorrectly 8 times on this forum. You need to be aware there is not a 'u' in that country's name.

The only bad thing that happened in Barranquilla was the armed holdup of the hotel's restaurant while I ate dinner the 1st night that I arrived there. No worries, the robber wasn't really armed - I almost kicked his butt for stealing the cook's purse.

I'll be careful, though... :bounce:

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 05:56 PM

Blanca cooked my meals. Restaurants in Colombia are cheaper than Mexico - about half price. When the armed robber made off with Blanca's money and ID, I compensated her w/a tip - $5, but in Colombia that's big money.

Blanca & Ken - Nuevos Amigos! :bounce:

David K - 9-14-2008 at 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by Ken CookeThat's my point... if I have Colombia visa stamps I would expect a 3rd degree search or question... black or beige skin color doesn't matter.

Please be careful!!

Thanks Ken, I really did mess up with COLOMBIA (and have corrected it)... but only saw it used once... I will search for the other 7 errors! Good thing Colombia isn't in Baja, otherwise Baja Spell Checker would be all over me for that!!! LOL

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Ken CookeThat's my point... if I have Colombia visa stamps I would expect a 3rd degree search or question... black or beige skin color doesn't matter.

Please be careful!!

Baja Spell Checker, BabbleFish, etc. You spend more time in Baja than me, and you never bothered to learn Spanish. That is the true Baja irony being exposed on the Nomad board. :lol:

Wiles - 9-14-2008 at 06:14 PM

For several years my middle name was 'secondary'. Was sent there on every single crossing. San Luis was the only exception.

BTW - I'm white.

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Wiles
For several years my middle name was 'secondary'. Was sent there on every single crossing. San Luis was the only exception.

BTW - I'm white.

I volunteered for Secondary in Calexico when the pickup I was driving at the time was filled with small, white flies that had gathered around the grapes which had become rotten after camping at Shell Island for 3 nights in mid-August several years ago.

I told the border officer, "Sir, I have flies inside the cab of my pickup truck which look like those QUARANTINED FRUIT FLIES ON THAT POSTER. The officer sent me to 2ndary. The 2ndary officer told me, "Please remain calm." I told him, "Officer, my truck is infested with MEDITERRANIAN FRUIT FLIES!" He took the bag, and scolded me by saying, "What are you trying to do? POLLUTE OUR COUNTRY?"

David K - 9-14-2008 at 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by Ken CookeThat's my point... if I have Colombia visa stamps I would expect a 3rd degree search or question... black or beige skin color doesn't matter.

Please be careful!!

Baja Spell Checker, BabbleFish, etc. You spend more time in Baja than me, and you never bothered to learn Spanish. That is the true Baja irony being exposed on the Nomad board. :lol:

I checked all my posts with COLUMBIA in them... Half were British Columbia and the other few was South America's Colombia... I fixed the South America ones...

I had Spanish in all 4 years of high school, and previously in Junior high it was taught... Learned talking with Mexicans, as well... What gave you the idea I didn't study Spanish hombre? :lol:

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 06:33 PM

David,

Yo pense que tu no hablastes el Castellano, porque los veces en Shell Island y El Cañon de Guadalupe, tu no uses el Castellano. Disculpleme, amigo.

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Jeevus, could you puhleeeze stop with the repeated quotes?
As a firefighter that works closely with law enforcement I know that it is a sad reality that racism exists within the enforcement community.
That's just how it is.

I often Jeep with law enforcement, but rarely do I trust them because of so many run-ins over the years. From having a gun thrust between my eyes w/threats shouted at me, to having threats shouted at me on a sidewalk in W. Hollywood, etc., I get really nervous whenever I'm near the police...for good reason.

Bajafun777 - 9-14-2008 at 09:27 PM

Ken, you just answered the questions wrong when asked. You should have said you were in Colombia seeing their sisters :lol:

and coming back through Mexico you were seeing their cousins :biggrin:

, just never say their mamas :no:

. Ken, it is there are just so many newbies on the Ports that are trying to out do the one another and make that big bust. Most of these people never had any street sense nor will they for a number of years of work they will need to get some

. I have been in secondary so many times I have lost count and it is always when I really need to get across in a hurry that the B.S. happens. Note: We were in line one time for almost 4 hours before entering the Calexico Port and then sent into Secondary. My wife was about to burst and needed to use the bathroom, so when she got out to ask them to allow a restroom call they all started to jump on her. I had to get out of the vehicle and tell the officers to calm down and one female started to go real hard at my wife that had not moved from the door of the truck. I told them to bring their dog over and clear her but I got a few more peeed off. I then saw one of the supervisors I know from my work and he calmed it down. I told him come on 4 hours in line, in the heat, and more time in secondary without any thought of bathroom, just not real. He had them check the truck with the dog and let us cross and we hurried to the "Guadalajar Resturant" in Calexico for her relief, beer, and good food. Just the bad luck of getting someone pushing the buttons to find the reward, I know I know they are just doing their jobs but the ones that carry it far need to stand down. I feel for you Ken been there, done that, and probably like you will return to it again whether we like it or not. So, do what I do make you time in Baja, Mainland Mexico, Colombia, or my favorite Costa Rica count so the return to that kind of nonesense don't mean a thing. "No Hurry, No Worry, Just Fun" Other than that are you getting your strength back??? Later---------------------------bajafun777

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 10:35 PM

I went off the heart meds yesterday. I have been feeling the blood flowing into my feet and fingers all day. Feels great. The Doctor says, "Nothing is wrong with your heart...We won't know until we do an Angiogram at least." My Doctor is such a pessimist. :rolleyes:

Well, I rode 8 miles today - the exhaustion nearly killed me.

Mom says, "Take it easy, or you'll be in the hospital again!" Mom is always right. The bad genes run on her side of the family. But, it's all her fault to begin with. She's the one who decided it would be fun to push me across the border in my stroller. Then, every year my folks *made us* go down to Rosarito Beach, before it was over-developed, and we had to camp out on the sand with our entire family, and the family dog. Worst part of all, my dad drove us down in a 4WD Full-Size Jeep Cherokee Wagon! Ah, the trauma! :spingrin:

postholedigger - 9-14-2008 at 10:39 PM

I hate to jinx myself by saying this but I have yet to be sent to secondary. I've brought all sorts of stuff up with me. I've helped a friend move his apartment back up to the U.S. by driving a pickup truck full of furniture (Just told the customs agent I was helping close an apartment for a friend of mine). I've come up with a laundry machine and dryer, a treadmill. I've driven my car, my friends' cars, company cars and I haven't ever been sent to secondary. My trick? Be up front. If you have nothing to hide and are doing nothing wrong, there's no reason for them to raise an alarm. The only time I was close to getting sent to secondary was the first time I drove across. Naturally, as a greencard holder I was a little nervous and the Filipino border guard must have smelt it and he went for the jugular. I suppose my answer to his "what are you bringing back from Mexico?" with "Everything I brought with me into Mexico" jangled his nerves the wrong way. In any case, he went through his list of questions and even made me step out of the vehicle. He had me open the trunk manually as opposed to remotely from the driver's seat. When he asked "does this car belong to you?" and I answered "no", you should have seen his eyes light up. It was like he realized he had a live one. When I had a perfectly sound explanation for why I was driving a company car he just waved me through.
For what it's worth though, it's the white and black guards that give me the least hassle at the border.

Ken Cooke - 9-14-2008 at 10:43 PM

In Tecate, I was bringing back 10 clay planters once (ex-wife's idea).

The border guard asked me what I was bringing back. I responded, "Pot!"

I guess I was a little nervous and non-trusting of the border patrol. He stopped and asked me again, "What are you bringing into the country." Then I responded, "Planters." He looked in the back of my truck and saw 11 planters, none for resale, and he waved me through.

Iflyfish - 9-14-2008 at 10:55 PM

Once you are on "the list" it can get tough.

I know a guy who got stopped once and had to pay a tremendous amount for some tiles for his bathroom sink. Could have purchased them in California, but a bit cheaper in Mexico, before having to pay the "duty". Got in the computer as a smuggler and, having had his vehicle torn to shreds on a number of occasions, with out any effort to help replace/repair the damage, he decided to deal with this directly the next time he crossed the border.

In the far reaches, under the canopy of the pick up was a cooler, full of stinking fish guts, the agent crawled in to inspect it, he came out retching and cursing, sad how passive aggressive some people can be. Terrible job! Doubt I would ever do it.

Iflyfish

dean miller - 9-15-2008 at 05:43 AM

The year previous to the 9-11 attack my wife and I visited Egypt on two separate occasions with in one year for recreational diving.

Every time, generally 2-to 4 times a year when returning from Baja while would passing through customs we would be questioned about the stamps and/or sent to secondary.

The most impressive event was several years ago. My wife who was born in Canada but is naturalized US citizen, had a brand new passport, mine still contained the Egyptian stamps. When asked where we were where born, she replied Canada, I US. --- Off to secondary

We were separated, questioned about the Egyptian stamps, the trailer and car was sniffed by dogs, the trailer and the automobile were also personally checked. No problems

The Custom Agents apologized for the delay and inconvenience and sent us on our way.

I have absolutely no problems the agents or the procedures. They have a very difficult job to perform and are highly skilled and very dedicated in keeping the bad guys out of the US

sdm

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke
The border guard asked me what I was bringing back. I responded, "Pot!"

Hate to say it Ken but, after reading all these posts, I think you bring a bit of, as you put it, "Driving while Black" attitude to the border. The zone is a snake pit for everybody and those who have the mind control to "go numb" and just answer questions without analyzing everything from a defensive standpoint, are less put-off by it all.
If you truly feel that the customs cops are reacting to you primarily because of the color of your skin, I think you're wrong. They're probably reacting to the attitude [subtle?] you bring to the gate as a conditioned response that Blacks tend to have for cops.
I was honestly put back by your opening post on this thread. It made me wonder how deeply your resentment permeates your world view.
Now, before you go off on me, this is in no way a defense of the behaviour of the customs people "just doing their job." Their technique is deplorable. What I'm saying is that you may have a better time of it if you approach the border as an all-around man instead of as a Black Man. It will make the crossing easier.

bajaguy - 9-15-2008 at 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

I often Jeep with law enforcement, but rarely do I trust them because of so many run-ins over the years. From having a gun thrust between my eyes w/threats shouted at me, to having threats shouted at me on a sidewalk in W. Hollywood, etc., I get really nervous whenever I'm near the police...for good reason.

I'm sorry you feel that way, I guess I will keep my distance................

bajalou - 9-15-2008 at 09:50 AM

Sent to secondary in Adrade one time, escorted into a small room had us tell them how much money we had ion us and took my small (2 1/2 in blade) pocket knife. No explanation. About 10 min ?? back they cam and said OK to go. I asked why the lock up and was told they thought I was smuggling a dead body into the US. They had seen the end of a rolled up sleeping bag under the rear seat of my van. This was probably 8-9 years ago.

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by bajalou
I asked why the lock up and was told they thought I was smuggling a dead body into the US. They had seen the end of a rolled up sleeping bag under the rear seat of my van. This was probably 8-9 years ago.

Did they take the body away from you or just establish nationality? :lol:

Had to insert that laughing head so you won't think I'm serious.

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by DENNIS]

vandenberg - 9-15-2008 at 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Did they take the body away from you or just establish nationality? :lol:

Had to insert that laughing head so you won't think I'm serious.

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by DENNIS]

Rolled up in a rug is a dead giveaway.
Tie it to the roof and they probably miss it. :biggrin:

Paulina - 9-15-2008 at 10:00 AM

:yes:

It must be better to declare a dead body rather than try to smuggle it in.

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 10:05 AM

Some of those knuckleheads at the border would spend two hours asking the body, over and over, "Where were you born," before they figuered out it wasn't going to answer.

vandenberg - 9-15-2008 at 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Some of those knuckleheads at the border would spend two hours asking the body, over and over, "Where were you born," before they figuered out it wasn't going to answer.

I suggest just putting it in the passenger seat, stuff a Castro type stogie in it's mouth and brush up on your ventriloquism.
Woks every time.

Back to the subject:
When I lived for several years, on the Canadian side of the Niagara river, made weekly trips into NY (Buffalo&Niagara Falls)for much cheaper goods on the US side, (admittedly mainly booze), I was never directed to secondary. However a good friend of mine, white, blond, blue eyed, neat, was directed there about every second trip. And definitely not a guy with an attitude. Go figure.

bajalou - 9-15-2008 at 10:33 AM

A friend got caught smuggling cigarettes into Canada several years ago. He had 2 cartons for his own use. From then on EVERY time he entered Canada he was sent to secondary and given big time inspection. After 2-3 years of this treatment, he got new license plates for his motor home and was never stopped again.

vandenberg - 9-15-2008 at 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by bajalou
A friend got caught smuggling cigarettes into Canada several years ago. He had 2 cartons for his own use. From then on EVERY time he entered Canada he was sent to secondary and given big time inspection. After 2-3 years of this treatment, he got new license plates for his motor home and was never stopped again.

True Lou, but I'm talking about the early 60's, way before computerized stuff came into play.
And, while on the smuggling subject, I always get a big bang out of the stories I hear from the gringos, explaining how cleverly they duped the Mexican border guys.(Been here over 20 years and no doubt guilty myself)
Do we really think those guys were born yesterday and don't know that, for instance, you smeared some dirt on your brand new appliance, after taking it out of the box, so they'll believe it to be old and second hand, used, etc.
Get real. Likely they have a lot of laughs during their breaks, talking about us ridiculously ignorant gringos.

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
Likely they have a lot of laughs during their breaks, talking about us ridiculously ignorant gringos.

Probably more disgusted than amused. It just makes it more difficult when we have a legitimate need to smuggle.

CaboRon - 9-15-2008 at 11:13 AM

Ken,

I see you using "jeep" as a verb ....

What gives ?

CaboRon

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Bajajack
by posting the truth did I offend your sensitivity. :rolleyes:

I have a little sticky note on my monitor, part of my parole agreement, that says in so many words that it wouldn't be in my best interest to get into a discussion about this. Sooooo, bye bye.

D.W.B.

MrBillM - 9-15-2008 at 12:40 PM

Funny thing but, back in the 80s, I had three good friends (Black) in the same family who absolutely LOVED San Felipe and we got together a number of times down here.

NONE of the three EVER mentioned having a DWB incident at the border or anywhere down South. Since they freely talked about those kind of things, it's ODD they didn't have that experience.

BUT, then it was before 9/11 and they never travelled to Columbia.

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Columbia.

Knowing you as well/little as I do, Bill, I think you did that purposely. Here's a laughy head for you. :lol:

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 03:38 PM

Where did Ken go? He started this, didn't he?

Skeet/Loreto - 9-15-2008 at 03:44 PM

Ken: I am going to enter this thread with some comments from "Experience".

Yes, there is some Racial things that occur in Baja.
In the early 60"s if you had long Hair as the "Lomg Haired Hippie Freaks" were known to have you were not allowed to cross the Border!

If you were a White Women in Loreto in the late 90"s you were treated Different because you were White!

It don"t make no nevermind, you will be treated by others because of your Color as I was treated in South Central La and Oakland California because of my Color.
Mexico/Canada is no different. Just try to relax and realise the People are going to be People and some of those on both sides of the fence will use that position to try and enforce their Egos.

I even get treated badly because I am a Texan and talk like a Texan.

Skeet/Loreto

Paulina - 9-15-2008 at 04:05 PM

This thread reminded me of one spring break in 1979. I was with a group of friends staying in San Ignacio. One of our friends was a black man and turned out to be quite the novelty with some of the children in the town.

One afternoon/evening towards the beginning of our visit we were all sitting in the town square when a group of kids came up to us and stood staring at my friend. He spoke to them, letting them know he was a friendly sort.

One child reached out and gently touched his arm, then another and another. They flipped his hands over to see the whiteness of his palms. Some held their arms up to his in comparison, others looked at both sides of their hands as well. A couple of them patted his hair. I honestly don't think that these children had ever been so close to a black man before.

After some time the children became comfortable. They started dancing around him, ring around the rosey style while they chanted "Choco- late' Choco-late'" over and over again. My friend didn't seem to mind.

For the rest of our visit anytime one of the kids would see him they would shout out a greeting to their new friend "Choco-late" and he would always return the greeting with a wave with a smile.

There is racisim everywhere, some of it innocent as these children were. My friend could have been offended by the choco-late dance, but wasn't. I believe it was my friend's attitude that kept him from being insulted by these children's actions.

Just walking down memory lane for a sec.
P<*)))>{

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

If you were a White Women in Loreto in the late 90"s you were treated Different because you were White!

Could you tell us more about that, Skeet?

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina

Just walking down memory lane for a sec.
P<*)))>{

There are people today in Mexico who have darker than "normal" skin who are called Chocolate. It done without venom so, it works. I've heard it on a few occasions. It's people like Americans who make it dysfunctional with all the bullcrap baggage they attach to it.

palmeto99 - 9-15-2008 at 04:31 PM

When you show up at the border with a sizeable chip on your shoulder, :cool:

expect to be treated accordingly.

David K - 9-15-2008 at 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Funny thing but, back in the 80s, I had three good friends (Black) in the same family who absolutely LOVED San Felipe and we got together a number of times down here.

NONE of the three EVER mentioned having a DWB incident at the border or anywhere down South. Since they freely talked about those kind of things, it's ODD they didn't have that experience.

BUT, then it was before 9/11 and they never travelled to Columbia.

Before Ken gets any more upset... that would be COLOMBIA Bill! :lol:

David K - 9-15-2008 at 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke
David,

Yo pense que tu no hablastes el Castellano, porque los veces en Shell Island y El Cañon de Guadalupe, tu no uses el Castellano. Disculpleme, amigo.

LOL... Ken here is the Babelfish translation for what you typed:

I pense that your you did not speak the Castilian, because the times in Shell Island and the Gun of Guadalupe, your you do not use the Castilian. Disculpleme, friend.

I know you are saying:

"I believed you did not speak the Castillian (Spain) Spanish, because the times we camped together on Shell Island and Guadalupe Canyon, you did not use the Castillian Spanish. Please forgive me, my friend."

A: Well, true, I do not speak the Castillian form of Spanish because we are in Baja... which has a Spanish that is even different from Mexico City (it would seem). Also, there were no locals with us in either Shell Island or Guadalupe Canyon. You and Hotschott are Americans, and that's our language, no?

Finally, I am far from fluent in Spanish... I know many words including verbs and their many forms and usually can get my needs met or have a friendly chat with locals. Angel listens to me talk away to the military guys and others and thinks I speak Spanish as a second language! However, I know better and am not that great!

Baja Angel and I would like to take classes together someday to be more comfortable speaking Spanish... Keith Rolle has the Baja California Language College in Ensenada and San Felipe and Shari teaches at Bahia Asuncion... for starters!

Ken Cooke - 9-15-2008 at 06:28 PM

COLOMBIA = Country in South America
COLUMBIA = City in South Carolina, USA
JEEP = (v) To go into the backcountry
JEEP = (n) A 2WD or 4WD vehicle
JEEP = JUST EMPTY EVERY POCKET :light:

Ken Cooke - 9-15-2008 at 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by David K

"I believed you did not speak the Castillian (Spain) Spanish, because the times we camped together on Shell Island and Guadalupe Canyon, you did not use the Castillian Spanish. Please forgive me, my friend."

A: Well, true, I do not speak the Castillian form of Spanish because we are in Baja... which has a Spanish that is even different from Mexico City (it would seem). Also, there were no locals with us in either Shell Island or Guadalupe Canyon. You and Hotschott are Americans, and that's our language, no?

You forgot about the alcoholic (Spanish-speaking) family that nearly buried their Jeep Cherokee under water from the massive tide. HotSchott had to use his Warn winch to save the guy and his familys vehicle before both were buried in the lagoon behind Shell Island. Oh, the forgetfulness of old age...

David K - 9-15-2008 at 06:56 PM

No I didn't forget them my young friend!

They saw our vehicles on the beautiful white sand beach, and thought they cougld just drive their Jeep Cherokee across the empty lagoon to the island from the Laguna Percebu side!

Hotscott's Chevy and one other gringo Jeep that came to help together winched out the Cherokee just as the incoming tide reached the Jeep's doors!

Now, for a memory check do YOU remember his name and his occupation???

I do, :lol:

I even have a photo of you guys on Shell Island fron that trip... Remember your Ford Ranger days in Baja? Graham Mackintosh even mentioned your breakdown in the mountains while he was up their researching his third book!

shell island 001.jpg - 34kB

BAJACAT - 9-15-2008 at 09:44 PM

Last week ,the customs agent ask me " what's the deal with your truck plates, why BAJA". I say why not!, and end up expending 3 minutes talking to the Guy about my BAJA PLATES..

BAJA KT.JPG - 47kB

GeoRock - 9-16-2008 at 03:33 AM

Ah Ken, my rattlesnake tequila drinking buddy! Just dropping in to say hello. Remember, "jeeping" is the active form of the verb "jeep."

Pappy Jon - 9-16-2008 at 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Is it just me, or does anyone else on this forum get hassled for;

1. Not having a front license plate.
a: Yep. New Mexico doesn't issue a front plate. I'm always asked if it really says "New" Mexico. Fortunately, it seems these folks have some geographical education and realize we are now part of the Union ... or they see the rest of the plate that says "USA." This is different than the State Police in Kansas who seem to be more geographically challenged, or less literate.

2. Driving a capable 4WD vehicle.
a: Not a problem. Lifted, armored, and locked solid axle 4Runner.

3. Being alone.
a: Doesn't seem to be a problem. I came across the border once with somebody else. They were concerned that I would have a problem crossing solo, so the husband jumped in the truck with me, and left his wife and two girls to cross together. Guess who was pulled into secondary? The girls!

4. Driving an $expensive$ vehicle.
A: Wouldn't know. I drive a 23 years old truck. But it's usually loaded with camping gear.

5. Having a passport that contains stamps from South America.
A: All my stamps say Mexico. The passport has really made it easier to cross.

6. Being a minority.
A: I'm a European mutt.

7. Driving while Black.
A: What does that mean?

I usually have no problem crossing at Algodones. This last time I stopped at San Borja. While there I picked up some cuttings to the pomegranates which the guy there claimed to be of historic origin. When I pulled up to border the guard asked me the usual fruits and veggies question, but didn't ask about plants. He wanted a peak in my fridge, and I had the cuttings right on top in a ziplock bag, no attempt was made to hide them because I didn't expect a problem. He questioned. I answered. He called, and told me I couldn't cross with them. Drat.

Am I now in their "system?"

Skeet/Loreto - 9-16-2008 at 07:33 AM

Dennis:

The following:
When Virginia would go to the Tortilla Place and stand in Line with all the other People, the clerk would ignore her and serve the people behind Her!

This was repeated several times by one of the Women Clerks.

It may have been an Mexicano/Americano not a Racial.

As you have been on this Board for sometime you may remember my story about the use of the word "Gringo"{Which to me is very Offensive!!}
Many years ago standing on the beach in fron of the Hotel, I got very tired of being referred to as a "P-nche Gringo" so one day with all the Pangeros around i got their Attention and told them that I resented their words and if they did not change I would start calling them "Greasers and Spicks"'.

From that day forward I was referred to as an Americano and They as Mexicanos.

Respect for your FellowMan comes in many forms, something that a good number of Youngsters have not learned from their Berkerley Liberal prof.essors{Please forgive me Lera}

DENNIS - 9-16-2008 at 07:59 AM

Thanks Skeet....
I remember the "Gringo" story and am impressed that you demanded respect. You deserve that.
Now, Virginia's story has the ingredients to carry a mini-series, at least. I can see it now, "Rampant Racism in the Tortillería." :spingrin:

Just kiddin' with you, Skeet. Actually, there are small minded people everywhere. On more than one occasion I've been treated just like Virginia had been but, I don't let it bother me. I can't change anything so, it's just like being at the border. You just grin and bear it. It'll be over soon.

Thanks for your reply....

Pappy Jon - 9-16-2008 at 08:15 AM

I once stopped for a meal in Los Angeles at a McDonalds. The black server refused to help me. It does go both ways.

DENNIS - 9-16-2008 at 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pappy Jon
I once stopped for a meal in Los Angeles at a McDonalds. The black server refused to help me. It does go both ways.

Actually, he was doing you a favor.

DENNIS - 9-16-2008 at 03:56 PM

Hate to say it Ken but, after reading all these posts, I think you bring a bit of, as you put it, "Driving while Black" attitude to the border. The zone is a snake pit for everybody and those who have the mind control to "go numb" and just answer questions without analyzing everything from a defensive standpoint, are less put-off by it all.
If you truly feel that the customs cops are reacting to you primarily because of the color of your skin, I think you're wrong. They're probably reacting to the attitude [subtle?] you bring to the gate as a conditioned response that Blacks tend to have for cops.
I was honestly put back by your opening post on this thread. It made me wonder how deeply your resentment permeates your world view.
Now, before you go off on me, this is in no way a defense of the behaviour of the customs people "just doing their job." Their technique is deplorable. What I'm saying is that you may have a better time of it if you approach the border as an all-around man instead of as a Black Man. It will make the crossing easier.

You owe all of us a reply to this, Ken. You brought the race issue to this forum and it was, in my opinion, misplaced. You shouldn't, by your own commitment, be able to just carry on in this thread, talking about your camping trips, without addressing the the issues which you raised. If you refuse to discuss it, I would say you misjudged your audience here for one who would sit still and listen to your whining. That offends me as well.
I don't feel out of line asking for clarification as you are the one who brought this up and to be truthful about all of this, you're the first one I've ever seen that brought his US racist, black/white thoughts here.
In my opinion, you owe us, first, an explaination. And, if that doesn't work, an apology.
Whatever happens, don't in the future start a war without sticking around to fight it. you and DK can go camping when it's over.

Sorry...The above was supposed to be in a quote box.

[Edited on 9-16-2008 by DENNIS]

Cypress - 9-16-2008 at 04:06 PM

I've been spead-eagled with my pockets turned inside-out. Had my vehicle unloaded with a drug dog turned loose on it, interrogated as to my criminal history or lack there of. Maybe they do that to all "red necks"? I'm several shades light of being black and tired of hearing all the poor me because I'm black BS. :biggrin:

I've been thru every crossing on the Border

Bajajack - 9-16-2008 at 06:25 PM

in old junk, brand new Jeep's and others.

I've been completely filthy at times and spotless at others and I have never had a real problem and nothing more than a visual search.

I bite my tongue, smile and treat the jerk like he's a real human and I'm on my way in less than a minute, I may barf after I get down the road apiece, and sometimes wipe a lot of built up sweat off depending on the situation.

Some people never seem to learn, Attitude is the bottom line.

CaboRon - 9-16-2008 at 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Hate to say it Ken but, after reading all these posts, I think you bring a bit of, as you put it, "Driving while Black" attitude to the border. The zone is a snake pit for everybody and those who have the mind control to "go numb" and just answer questions without analyzing everything from a defensive standpoint, are less put-off by it all.
If you truly feel that the customs cops are reacting to you primarily because of the color of your skin, I think you're wrong. They're probably reacting to the attitude [subtle?] you bring to the gate as a conditioned response that Blacks tend to have for cops.
I was honestly put back by your opening post on this thread. It made me wonder how deeply your resentment permeates your world view.
Now, before you go off on me, this is in no way a defense of the behaviour of the customs people "just doing their job." Their technique is deplorable. What I'm saying is that you may have a better time of it if you approach the border as an all-around man instead of as a Black Man. It will make the crossing easier.

You owe all of us a reply to this, Ken. You brought the race issue to this forum and it was, in my opinion, misplaced. You shouldn't, by your own commitment, be able to just carry on in this thread, talking about your camping trips, without addressing the the issues which you raised. If you refuse to discuss it, I would say you misjudged your audience here for one who would sit still and listen to your whining. That offends me as well.
I don't feel out of line asking for clarification as you are the one who brought this up and to be truthful about all of this, you're the first one I've ever seen that brought his US racist, black/white thoughts here.
In my opinion, you owe us, first, an explaination. And, if that doesn't work, an apology.
Whatever happens, don't in the future start a war without sticking around to fight it. you and DK can go camping when it's over.

Sorry...The above was supposed to be in a quote box.

[Edited on 9-16-2008 by DENNIS]

Thank you Dennis for putting down the words that I have wanted to say about this thread.

CaboRon

Cajones - 9-16-2008 at 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pappy Jon
I once stopped for a meal in Los Angeles at a McDonalds. The black server refused to help me. It does go both ways.

Now Pappy, we told you to take off your white sheet and hood before you go into McDonalds.

:lol:

Stickers - 9-16-2008 at 07:58 PM

With all this border crossing chat it brings to mind the movie "Babel" with Brad Pitt and other (more) notable actors. Much lauded and praised, it was written by a Mexican writer and directed by a Mexican director.

Kind of an all over the place movie but the Mexico border crossing segment was riveting and had me frozen in my seat. A real nightmare

Check it out it you haven't already

Ken Cooke - 9-16-2008 at 08:04 PM

Quote:

Dennis you don't get it. I'm describing how I am being hasseled. They don't give you a chance to give attitude, or your butt is in secondary. Read the posts more closely.

Ken Cooke - 9-16-2008 at 08:08 PM

In July when I arrived in Customs in Miami, you should have heard the customs guy yelling at me as I stood there trembling, afraid that I wouldn't be allowed into my own country. I gave the guy no attitude whatsoever. I never give strangers attitude come to think of it. So, what makes me automatically to be the bad guy???

CaboRon - 9-16-2008 at 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote:

Dennis you don't get it. I'm describing how I am being hasseled. They don't give you a chance to give attitude, or your butt is in secondary. Read the posts more closely.

Ken,

You are the one who doesn't "get it" ..

CaboRon

Ken Cooke - 9-16-2008 at 08:11 PM

No, I get it. You don't get it. :light:

DENNIS - 9-16-2008 at 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Dennis you don't get it. I'm describing how I am being hasseled. They don't give you a chance to give attitude, or your butt is in secondary. Read the posts more closely.

Oh..Poor you. You're being hasseled.
I read the posts, Ken. Thoroughly and with empathy. I do get it. Thats why I accept the abuse which is a part of crossing the border. I don't like it but, I accept and deal with it. Each trip through makes me a stronger person as opposed to your experience which draws on your weakness to endure and brings out your lame claims of racism. The border zone is exempt from L.A. street classifications. Nothing is right, nothing is wrong, nothing is racist unless you want to claim the color of the mood of the place which is black.
It isn't a sector of society. It isn't a neighborhood. It isn't a city park. What it is, is the zone from hell and you, my black brother, are not going to get any respect there so, why would you ask for it? Because you think you deserve it?
Excuse me while I laugh myself to death.

Ken Cooke - 9-16-2008 at 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Oh..Poor you. You're being hasseled.

Tu me da risa, amigo! :lol:

DENNIS - 9-16-2008 at 10:08 PM

Qué bueno. Deporte bien.

Ken Cooke - 9-16-2008 at 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Qué bueno. Deporte bien.

Si, yo me voy a porareme mejor, tranquilo amigo. :yes:

DENNIS - 9-16-2008 at 10:12 PM

Siempre tranquilo. Igualmente.

Paulina - 9-16-2008 at 11:54 PM

You guys are going to have to take this to the Spanish Language forum if this conversation goes on any further. :biggrin:

motoged - 9-17-2008 at 12:47 AM

Ken,
Probably a bunch of white guys responding here...

You know what your experience is....most of us white guys can try to empathize, but empathy is really a fancy word for our imagination....so we can only relate to how we occasionally feel persecuted for the colour of our skin....and that doesn't really happen too often.

It sounds like you have travelled enough to have a bit of opinion about how different countries/immigration lines handle folks...

Que via bien, amigo.

TMW - 9-17-2008 at 07:14 AM

The only time I can say I was really hasseled crossing the border was several years ago at Tecate. I was going into Mexico and the U.S. agents stopped me before crossing. Dressed in a dark uniform he asked me what I was taking into Mexico. I didn't really know how to answer that since I was in my pickup and everything was pretty much in the open to see. So I asked what he meant and in an angry voice he said "WHAT ARE YOU TAKING INTO MEXICO?". I started telling him all the things that were in front of him, ice chess, sleeping bags, fishing poles, motorcycle, sweatshirt etc. He stopped me and said " ARE YOU TAKING $10,000 OR MORE ACROSS?". To that I responed no, if I had $10,000 I'd be going to europe. He waved me on.

DENNIS - 9-17-2008 at 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TW

" ARE YOU TAKING $10,000 OR MORE ACROSS?". To that I responed no, if I had $10,000 I'd be going to europe. He waved me on.

Good one. About the same thing happened to me crossing the border into TJ years ago. I was driving a pile of crap car and a US customs lady stopped me, asked if I had more than ten grand. That was a lot of money then and it was the first time I'd ever heard of the question and it made me laugh, really hard. I said, "You've got to be kidding," and kept on laughing. She looked at me, at my car and then she started to laugh as hard as I was. The whole scene was ludicrous. She waved me on.

flyfishinPam - 9-17-2008 at 07:41 AM

there is prejudice everywhere. try being an interracial couple with children in Mexico. once while getting into a taxi in Guadalajara four police vehicles surrounded us removed us from the taxi and started to questioin us. they thought my husband, his teenaged son and my two toddlers were trying to kidnap me :rolleyes:

well that's what they said. we get questions like whose kids are those? or I get asked whos the dad? like its any of anyones business.

also the discrimination that Skeet describes in Loreto is still alive and well. women or not its simply gringo discrimination. one popular market clearly hates gringos and I don't go there. at the ice cream shop downtown theres a guy that also hates gringos. he waits on every single person and always the gringo last. this is difficult when the gringo has two anxious children who want their ice cream, but I do get back at him and the other girls (who are wonderful in there) get a kick out of it too. I often go in for the large horchata at 09:30 when he is there and I get him to wait on me then once he gives me the drink I start nitpicking with issues like can I have another napkin? or I like two straws, or this top is cracked I want a new one. it can go on several minutes and it is quite fun and the other girls in there laugh. the growth here has brought healthy competition and as in the case of the popular market I can spend my dinero elsewhere.

predjuice is based in ignorance.

Being Prejudice or Racist

Bajajack - 9-17-2008 at 08:14 AM

is not about being ignorant, stupid or the lack of a college degree.

It's personal preference period! :biggrin:

DENNIS - 9-17-2008 at 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajajack

It's personal preference period! :biggrin:

Where would we be without you, Jack?

Just trying to do my

Bajajack - 9-17-2008 at 08:42 AM

part in clearing up a common misconception Dennis.

David K - 9-17-2008 at 08:59 AM

If I drove up to the border, with no front plate (where one is required by law in my state), do not present the necessary papers required to re-enter the US (without being asked), stare at the officer in fear or distrust, give smart a** answers like I am bringing back 'pot' instead of 'pottery', then you better believe I will get hassled or sent to Secondary... no matter what color skin I am in!

Ken, I think we are way beyond that place where looks alone determin how you get treated. You are a nice guy, always friendly and willing to help. Try being that way to the border gaurd...

Next time you get to the border, have a smile, your passports already in your hand, a license plate on the front of your Jeep, say hello... He/ she are just doing their job for our government... for us, to keep us safe.

I know there are jerks out there on the border... I have experienced them, many years ago... But how will it help if I am a jerk, too? I just want to get back home as soon as possible... so I make it as easy as I can for the officer to see that I am an American, have nothing to hide, am happy because I just had a Baja vacation, etc. Yah, I know they should follow their rules and we shouldn't have to be extra nice... but why not. They are human, too (or could be) :lol:

You may be black on the outside, but it is what is inside and comes out of you that counts!

CaboRon - 9-17-2008 at 09:16 AM

So explain how Ken can drive a vehicle without a front plate ... that is clearly the law in California .... and if he is out of state plated and living and or working in California he is in violation of DMV codes that state he has ten days in CA before he has to put on CA plates and tags.

CaboRon

David K - 9-17-2008 at 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboRon
So explain how Ken can drive a vehicle without a front plate ... that is clearly the law in California .... and if he is out of state plated and living and or working in California he is in violation of DMV codes that state he has ten days in CA before he has to put on CA plates and tags.

CaboRon

Well Ron, there are many people in California who remove the front plate or never put it on... Hummers and Corvettes mostly... They don't like the look or they put some other kind of plate there instead.

In order for a them to be cited, they must break some traffic law for a cop to see they don't have the front plate... So they add it, show up at DMV to prove it is there, then take it back off again (if they want).

Trolling with Columbian Bait

MrBillM - 9-17-2008 at 09:29 AM

A few good nibbles, but no solid bites.

Oh Well.

It is (perhaps) insightful that Kennie chose South Carolina as his example, rather than any of the other numerous choices.

Southern (Dis)Comfort ?

DENNIS - 9-17-2008 at 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBillM
A few good nibbles, but no solid bites.

Don't ever let anyone say you didn't try your best, Bill.

Pappy Jon - 9-17-2008 at 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CajonesNow Pappy, we told you to take off your white sheet and hood before you go into McDonalds.

:lol:

Sure glad you added the LOL. Come to think of it ... I was wearing a white wizard hat.

BajaGringo - 9-17-2008 at 11:22 AM

Folks I know in law enforcement NOB tell me that those jobs working at the border are the last stop for many who either were tossed out from other agencies or unable to meet the criteria for CHP/police/sheriff jobs. Those same friends in law enforcement tell me that they get treated like sh*t at times like the rest of us when they cross back after spending a weekend with us. I will say that the worst stories of treatment I have heard from border crossers come from those who have brown/black skin color. That includes many overtly racist comments. Sources of those stories include my wife, oldest daughter and mother-in-law. None of these women have an "attitude", "chip on their shoulder" or demeaner that could possibly incite any such type of comment or behavior from those working at the border. Those of you that know my wife and daughter know that to be true. My daughter was born in the US but has the Latino features of her mother and almost refuses to cross anymore if I am not with her. All three of these women will tell you that most of those working at the border are civil and polite with them but the times when they do experience the bottom of the barrel makes the experience such a negative one that they always approach the border crossing with dread. They also agree that they have found the black agents in general to be the most polite if one could generalize.

As a white man crossing with a US passport I doubt that I could fully compare my negative experiences with those of a different skin color / ethnic origin. Racism is well rooted in our culture and civil rights legislation alone cannot change that. Common human decency is something that is taught in the home from birth, as are racist attitudes as well.

Having an "attitude" or "chip on your shoulder" certainly will make it tougher if your skin color is off-white and obviously your crossing experience would be "enhanced" if you could leave those personality traits at home. But to simply explain the negative experience as an "attitude" problem is to not understand the experience of one of one living the life as a man or woman of color.

Some of you may differ in opinion and I will just leave it at that...

slimshady - 9-17-2008 at 11:30 AM

Border guards are one notch above TSA screeners.

dtbushpilot - 9-17-2008 at 11:47 AM

I cross at Tecate many times a year. I've been treated with respect all but two times. I wasn't yelled at or physically abused but I felt that the demeaner and tone of the border guard was rude and un-called for. Both times it was an Asian guy (same guy both times).

Maybe I was a victim of racism and didn't realize it......or maybe he was just havivg a bad day.......dt

vacaenbaja - 9-17-2008 at 11:51 AM

Trust your senses Ken. Law enforcement profiles everyone and has pet
names or acronyms for everyone/thing. DWO (Driving While Oriental)
etc. My friend and I got questioned by the Federales after being in a solo rollover accident. Where are your wives? Did you kill them? What are you two men doing traveling alone with out girlfriends or wives? Did you kill your girlfriends? We were dumbfounded. We were lucky to be alive and they were at least six people that helped us out and brought us to the station that saw the accident. (Front tire blowout on front wheel dive diesel
sedan on superelevated portion of the highway. Never mind that we had what was left of out fishing gear and an ice chest of fish. We were potential suicide murderers. I guess you see a lot of strange things behind a badge and it just makes you suspicious of everyone/thing.

Ken Cooke - 9-17-2008 at 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by motoged
Ken,
Probably a bunch of white guys responding here...

Gracias, Amigo. I have been searched on Oxford St. in London for simply looking out of place. Threatened while driving by a pedestrian through Baja Sur (can't remember the city), called the N-word by 4 drunks in Tubares, Sin while my friends looked through a drip-irrigation business in the Narco corridor of the Rio Fuerte region, stared down by 3 Neo-N-zi skinheads while on a ferry from Aaland to Helsinki (bound for St. Petersburg), so I'm not one of those thugs walking around with a chip on his shoulder. I'm respectful of everyone around me, but I just catch hell more quickly than others I think...thanks for empathizing.

bajaguy - 9-17-2008 at 08:56 PM

Been crossing since 1962. The only 2 times I have been "hassled" were both by female CBP agents. One just gave a stern warning for an admitted mistake on my part (guess I deserved that one), the second was more interesting.

Crossing with my wife and dog (Yellow Lab). All papers and documents in order, CBP Agent (female) spotted an empty ice chest in the back seat.......Agent: "whats in the ice chest"???.....me: "nothing, it's empty"....Agent fills out a card, puts it under windshield wiper, directs me to secondary.........Agent (male) in secondary looks at card, asks me to open ice chest....sees that it is empty, scratches his head, mumbles...."sorry about that" and sends me on my way.

.......go figure..........

Ken Cooke - 9-17-2008 at 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vacaenbaja I guess you see a lot of strange things behind a badge and it just makes you suspicious of everyone/thing.

I traveled with my Latino apartment neighbor several years ago to Tijuana for some partying on La Revo, but before the partying, we stopped at a Dominoes in Playas for a Large Pepperoni pizza, and we parked in a parking lot to eat it.

When the policia walked up, they didn't know why we were smiling, looking down, and reaching for.... :lol:

The police officer thought me might have been...gay!?! :lol:

Bajafun777 - 9-17-2008 at 11:49 PM

Well, Ken for fact I know in law enforcement we have jerks that like to give people of different color a hard time, it is not right and jerks they are. I have had to deal with some in regards to writing them up and to be fair I have also had to deal with people of color doing the same thing the other way. Now, having said that all of us have had those uncomfortable moments and actions by jerks done to us that we did not deserve or ask for. Like my good friend Fernandoi tells me "chit happens" just have to deal with it. The good thing is Ken that jerks who do racist things are now very much in the minority. However, we also have some very good border patrol, customs and immigration officers that do the right thing every day because they take pride in what they do and are professional. Have drank many a beer with some of these guys and gals at our local "Eagles" club in El Centro and most are very funny and easy going. Let's face it their jobs do get very boring at times and long hours which can cause them to do or say things they shouldn't. Ken, I agree with David K. on your personality and I have always found you to be an open and honest man. Additionally, you are also very friendly and not only on this site but in selling things to help in the promoting of 4X4 wheeling. Note, I really liked and still have the 4x4 Baja T-shirt you sold me. Stay cool and remember "chit Happens" to all of us but your day of it just overflowed with emotion from it happening to you. All of us have had those volcano days ourselves so "Easy on the Easy" and enjoy life as too much good happening to let the little things ruin you day or week. Later-------------------------------- bajafun777

Eugenio - 9-18-2008 at 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote:

Originally posted by vacaenbaja I guess you see a lot of strange things behind a badge and it just makes you suspicious of everyone/thing.

The police officer thought me might have been...gay!?! :lol:

Well Ken - don't leave us hanging here amigo - are you?

Back in the early 90's for about a 6 month period I used to cross the border at TJ pretty much every day - I don't know why - but I'd be sent to secondary about every other time - it usually happened when I was in a hurry.

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