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Sushi????

DianaT - 9-14-2008 at 09:18 PM

Heresy, I know

But just an honest personal assessment of sushi and sashimi. OK, the fireproof suit is on.

First of all, let me say that the Divers, Mr. And Mrs. Diver and the two really great children divers were the perfect diner guests last December. It was at our home, where they brought the dinner, they cooked the dinner, they cleaned up the dishes and they were great company. Can’t find many dinner guests like that!

For before dinner appetizers, they fixed sashimi and sushi. Now John had eaten sushi before and likes it, but I had not ventured into the realm of raw fish. But I was willing.

First I ate the raw sashimi and then the rolls of raw fish with the special delicious sticky rice rolled in the special seaweed wraps---all very good, and I really loved that special green mustard---could eat that on a ham sandwich --blasphemy, I am sure.

Mr. and Mrs. Diver also made some of those great rolls without the fish for the children---we ate some of those also.

Now, did I enjoy the appetizers? Yes, I did --- I also enjoyed the fishless rolls just as much. OK, here is the ringer.

For all the work involved, I just can’t understand why anyone is that crazy about sashimi or sushi.

Enlighten me, please.

Gees, I really want the Diver’s back for dinner---even if we have to cook next time --pasta primavera, perhaps. Believe me, liking and enjoying the company of the Divers is a separate issue---we really like all of them.

John says I am not just not sophisticated
enough. He says the next time the Divers are there, he and they can just ignore me.

Diane

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by jdtrotter]

bajabound2005 - 9-14-2008 at 09:20 PM

Oh, Diane...you've opened up a can of worms!

DianaT - 9-14-2008 at 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
Oh, Diane...you've opened up a can of worms!


John says I should stick to Mac and Cheese with a touch of that great green mustard.

Not sure about those worms, mustard or not. :lol::lol:

Diane

elgatoloco - 9-14-2008 at 09:31 PM

Because it tastes good, and it's good for you.;D:dudette:

Paulina - 9-14-2008 at 09:42 PM

What EGL said!

For me, there's nothing better than a slice of freshly caught Yellowtail, dipped over the side of the boat to add that splash of salt before eating.

To quote one of Dern's girlfriends Rachael Ray, "Yum-O!"

Sometimes it's hard for me to wait to filet them.



P<*)))>{

postholedigger - 9-14-2008 at 10:01 PM

Simple sashimi sushi can be made very easily. Mix some rice vinegar into steamed rice. Slice tuna or salmon into thin slices and place on top of small balls of rice. Have some soy sauce and wasabi on the side to dip the fish before eating. Pink ginger pickles are optional. It tastes great and takes less preparation than cooking the fish.
An even simpler sushi can be made (yes they do this in Japan too) by mixing tuna and mayo and placing moderate amounts of this mixture onto small balls of rice and wrap the sides with nori (dried seaweed).
Of course you can really get into it and make wraps etc but if you're strapped for time, sushi is a very easy meal that can be prepared fairly quickly and cheaply.

But then again, being Japanese maybe my point of view is biased.:lol:

Iflyfish - 9-14-2008 at 11:03 PM

For me it's the contrast between the mild, sweet fish and the hot wasabi/soy sauce. Low fat and mighty tasty.

Another nice way to do it is to put a line of mayo on the fish and hit it with a blow torch, slightly sears the fish/mayo and adds a bit of crunch to boot! Diver and crew can come over to my house and make sushi anytime!

No doubt it is an acquired taste for many and I have met lots with aversions to it. Eating raw flesh of any kind is not a part of the typical American diet.

By the way, slice thin and always look for worms, don't want to invite a parasite to dinner.

Iflyfish

bobw - 9-15-2008 at 05:45 AM

To me, sushi is all about texture. Different fish just feels different on the tongue, and anything cooked is completely different.

capt. mike - 9-15-2008 at 06:15 AM

i love sushi sashimi , all of it.
we have knife-cut chunks right from the sides of YTs and YFT as soon as they're caught on the boat and eaten on the spot while we are cleaning them for the hold or chests.

and if fishing is slow you can munch on your leftover bait. same thing.:biggrin::biggrin:

CaboRon - 9-15-2008 at 06:40 AM

I love Sashimi and Sushi,

Just think there are a couple of hundred different types of Sushi,

All waiting to be discovered,

I have pretty much (because of access) been limited to Yellow Tail while living down here .... it is excellent ....

The sushi bars have been a dissapointment, extreemly limited menus (mostly maki with cooked ingredients), prepackaged ingredients, not a professional Sushi Chef to be seen, and I yearn for my next trip north so that I can sit at a bar and order in Japanese the delicies not available here.

CaboRon

DianaT - 9-15-2008 at 07:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Iflyfish
Diver and crew can come over to my house and make sushi anytime!

Iflyfish


Trust me, they can come back to our place anytime!

Interesting comments as to why people like sushi---thanks, I was curious.

Paulina, that is one of my favorite pictures.



Diane



[Edited on 9-15-2008 by jdtrotter]

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by jdtrotter]

Oso - 9-15-2008 at 07:15 AM

BTW, wasabi is not "green mustard". It's horse radish.

bajajudy - 9-15-2008 at 08:14 AM

The problem that I have with sushi here is that they put cream cheese on almost all of them.............yuck. I have asked on several occasions for a california roll without cream cheese but no one can seem to grasp this concept.

vandenberg - 9-15-2008 at 08:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Iflyfish


By the way, slice thin and always look for worms, don't want to invite a parasite to dinner.

Iflyfish


One of the reasons I always freeze it overnight,
Those worms/parasites are difficult to spot, YUGHH!!

woody with a view - 9-15-2008 at 08:29 AM

Quote:
John says I am not just not sophisticated
enough. He says the next time the Divers are there, he and they can just ignore me.


your answer lies somewhere within the quote box, grasshopper!

wsdunc - 9-15-2008 at 09:31 AM

To learn to appreciate sushi it may help to be in a sushi bar where you have many choices, this will allow you to experience the whole palate of flavors and textures available to you. I have learned to love sushi, and somehow it feels like it should be good for you ( ignoring the whole parasite question). I remember sitting next to an old hippie type who was eating a flyingfish egg handroll. He turned to me and said "Man, you can just feel the energy in these things". And I guess I knew what he meant.
The Italians (and I) like to eat raw beef (carpaccio). And in Japan I ate raw horsemeat. So raw food is not a problem for me. You need to push old food taboos out of your brain, and let your mouth and taste buds make the decisions.

DanO - 9-15-2008 at 10:08 AM

I'll eat just about anything offered in a sushi bar (pickled whole baby octopi, anyone?), but my first experience with uni -- sea urchin gonads, for the uninitiated -- was a bad one, and I wouldn't touch the stuff for years. Then one evening my wife and I sat down at one of our favorite sushi bars, in Hollywood, next to a super-model gorgeous couple (I had the vague sense that I had seen both of them in high end clothing ads in magazines). They were eating uni directly from the little wooden crate it's packed in. The little crate looked unusual, and the sushi chef, a friend, nodded and said, "very special uni, from Japan." The woman noticed that I was looking at it, and turned to me and said in a lovely British accent (of course), "would you care for some?" I looked over at my wife, who said, "yeah, like you're going to say no to her," and nodded slowly, worried that I might gag on the stuff in front of these people. Not to worry. It was amazing -- cool and soft, melting on the tongue and tasting like the essence of the ocean, the seaweed-tinged spray you breathe in while walking along a wave-crashed rocky shoreline on the Pacific. I realized I'd been missing something special.

As for the fresh yellowtail, I like a carpaccio -- paper thin slices laid out on a plate, scattered with finely chopped jalapeno chiles and cilantro, and drizzled with lime juice and a little olive oil.

Raw horsemeat? Hmmm. They eat some interesting stuff. Anyone ever had Japanese mountain potato? It's a translucent white gelatinous goo somewhat reminiscent of tapioca, but stickier. Some years ago we were at a sushi bar talking to the late Dr. David Viscott (late night TV shrink) and his wife. Viscott ordered us a bowl of the mountain potato. My wife tried a spoonful, and Viscott said, "have you ever eaten anything like that before?" Her response -- "Uh, not in a sushi bar," made Viscott's wife laugh so hard I thought she was going to pass out. I myself have never have laughed that hard in my life.

CaboRon - 9-15-2008 at 10:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Quote:
Originally posted by Iflyfish


By the way, slice thin and always look for worms, don't want to invite a parasite to dinner.

Iflyfish


One of the reasons I always freeze it overnight,
Those worms/parasites are difficult to spot, YUGHH!!


I am told that you need to freeze the filet for one month to effectivaly kill all parasites.

CaboRon

Pescador - 9-15-2008 at 10:41 AM

No, if you talk to real sushi chefs, it is the temperature that kills off any parasites and 12 hours is totally sufficient. I eat a lot of cabrilla but if you ever sprinkle salt on the fresh flesh of a larger cabrilla, you for sure will freeze it before you have it again as sushi.
Diane, I have some Japanese friends who, on their first visit to the United States, thought that a Taco was the strangest thing they had ever put in their mouth. By the time they left they seemed to think that it was pretty good. I used to own and operate a residential facility for emotionally disturbed boys and on our first camping trip to Mexico, I made fresh sashimi and told them they needed to at least try it and if they did not like it they certainly did not have to eat any more. They ended up eating two large 30 lb yellowtail that afternoon and requested the same thing many more times before we returned home. So just figure it is an acquired taste and you did well if you liked it, it takes awhile to "crave it" but may well happen.

Diver - 9-15-2008 at 10:57 AM

After a morning Service Pak 3 crash, I am back !

I think "all that work" that Diane is talking about is due to the fact that we tried to introduce her to a little of everything at once.
We made sashimi, sushi and a number of rolls that required slicing carrots and cucumbers and avocado and scallions.
I think it also looked like more work because we weren't in our own kitchen but who's complaining, J&;D's kitchen is one of the nicest I have had the pleasure of using in Baja.

Next time we're in town, we promise more sushi and more "kids" rolls for Diane !! :biggrin: :lol:

Now go get one of those Tuna and try slicing up some sashimi yourself !! :yes:

.

elgatoloco - 9-15-2008 at 11:50 AM

Bluefin is at it's peak and best if served on it's third day out of the ocean.

Uni is best on day one. :biggrin:

Place hooka in mouth and walk the bottom to get urchin.

Use sharp knife to open urchin and delicately remove gonads.

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elgatoloco - 9-15-2008 at 11:52 AM

Dip gonads in soy and eat. :lol:

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woody with a view - 9-15-2008 at 11:54 AM

love/hate urchin...hate doing the reef dance when you notice the purple bastards too late. love slurping the orange goodness. the only better flavor in the sea is a cold, fresh oyster.

elgatoloco - 9-15-2008 at 12:10 PM

Reef dance. :lol:

I grew up surfing a point break where at certain times of the year (winter) the urchin population would explode. Then the starfish would move in and clean em out or the water temp would warm up a bit and they would be gone.

I have had to extract spines from ankles,hands,feet,elbow usually with some assistance. The ones you can't quite get down to eventually work there way up to the surface of the skin and just need a little squeeze and out they would pop. :cool:

Viva booties!

BajaGeoff - 9-15-2008 at 12:12 PM

I do not care for most types of fish, so it took me a while to warm up to the idea of eating it raw. I worked in a really nice seafood restaurant while I was in college and came across some pretty amazing fish dishes during my time there. I do love to eat steak medium rare, so when I tried sashimi grade tuna for the first time I was pleasantly surprised. No fishy flavor at all, just a nice steak-like texture that was really good. Since then I have branched out to try some other kinds of sashimi, but tuna is by far my favorite. I do not care for seaweed, so I order my rolls with soy paper....it is a great option.

Iflyfish - 9-15-2008 at 03:28 PM

Surprisingly we ran into a good sushi bar at Estero Beach Resort in Ensenada. We were pleasantly surprised and satisfied.

Iflyfish

mtgoat666 - 9-15-2008 at 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Iflyfish
Surprisingly we ran into a good sushi bar at Estero Beach Resort in Ensenada. We were pleasantly surprised and satisfied.

Iflyfish


some good sushi is found in Ensenada. try the place by hussongs cantina (can't remember name of place)

DENNIS - 9-15-2008 at 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGeoff
I do not care for most types of fish, so it took me a while to warm up to the idea of eating it raw.


That's because you and I know it belongs on fish hooks, not your plate.

dtbushpilot - 9-15-2008 at 06:25 PM

While everyone is so distracted by calling it sashimi or sushi, I've been calling it what it is for the last 40 years.....bait........dt

Baja Sushi, Asuncion Style...

David K - 9-15-2008 at 06:44 PM

STEP 1, Catch Yellowtail (note Juan with 'got baja?' hat, holding said fish in one hand... and another fish in other hand):





STEP 2, Give fish to Shari and presto, it becomes Baja sushi with her secret dipping sauce:

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STEP 3

David K - 9-15-2008 at 06:45 PM

David K eats it all up!!! YUM YUM!!

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DianaT - 9-15-2008 at 07:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
After a morning Service Pak 3 crash, I am back !

I think "all that work" that Diane is talking about is due to the fact that we tried to introduce her to a little of everything at once.
We made sashimi, sushi and a number of rolls that required slicing carrots and cucumbers and avocado and scallions.
I think it also looked like more work because we weren't in our own kitchen but who's complaining, J&;D's kitchen is one of the nicest I have had the pleasure of using in Baja.

Next time we're in town, we promise more sushi and more "kids" rolls for Diane !! :biggrin: :lol:

Now go get one of those Tuna and try slicing up some sashimi yourself !! :yes:

.


OK, I will keep an open mind--And opps, I know it is horseradish---just a brain burp---sure like that stuff.

And I sure don't want to run off the dinner guests who bring and prepare the dinner. Just really glad to have Zach there so if needed, there will be those kids rolls.
Next time, we will do the dishes. :lol::lol:

Service Pak 3? SCREEEEEEEEEEEM.

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
Quote:
John says I am not just not sophisticated
enough. He says the next time the Divers are there, he and they can just ignore me.


your answer lies somewhere within the quote box, grasshopper!


Well, sophisticated will never happen, but being ignored, well no comment. :lol::lol:


Diane

mtgoat666 - 9-15-2008 at 07:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
STEP 2, Give fish to Shari and presto, it becomes Baja sushi with her secret dipping sauce:


dk,
your picture shows raw fish or "sashimi."
the rice is "sushi."
fish with sushi rice is "nigiri sushi."
of course, when in rome, do as romans do and call it all "sushi."

postholedigger - 9-15-2008 at 07:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajajudy
The problem that I have with sushi here is that they put cream cheese on almost all of them.............yuck.


Oh this is the sacrilege...not the OP's question. I suppose in the absence of real raw fish, the creaminess must be similar in some way but I just wrap my Japanese brain around the concept of liking it.

Oh and avocado too...I had live people back in Japan rolling in their future graves at the mention of both avocado and cream cheese in sushi on this side of the Pacific.

But I think I had my meltdown moment back when I was on the East Coast and the lady at Dunkin Donuts handed me a green tea and it had milk and sugar in it.:fire:

Edit to add the avocado statement.

[Edited on 9-16-2008 by postholedigger]

Diver - 9-15-2008 at 07:59 PM

There is no place for cream cheese or mayo in sushi !!!!!

aha baja - 9-15-2008 at 11:08 PM

Uni w/quail egg is what I like as a final course of the meal! YUM!!! Also if you can get it from the sushi chef is a dish the Japanise call NATO. Typical breakfast in a bowl... bean sprouts that have had a bacteria simular to a cheese fermintation added to convert it to a camembert flavored gelatinus mass topped with bonita and nori flakes. Sounds horrendus! However if you like a meal with a "stinky cheese" and is low carb/high protien qualities the just try it if you can get it. Andrew Zimmern would give it a two thumbs up as do I:P

[Edited on 01-19-2004 by aha baja]

postholedigger - 9-15-2008 at 11:37 PM

I've never seen natto in Baja but the Marukai market on the corner of Balboa and the 163 definitely has it at Japanese prices (@$1 for 3 servings), their tofu is great too. Definitely not suited for all audiences. Though I know of Japanese people who don't like it as well as gaijins (foreigners to Japan) have it for the first time and love it. I think it's mainly the smell and texture that many find off-putting. (DanO, I love the comment by your wife on the Japanese mountain potato)
Natto is a favorite of mine especially during a diet or building phase in my fitness program. As aha points out, low carb/high protien, though I believe the beans used in the fermentation process is soy beans, not bean sprouts.

David K - 9-16-2008 at 08:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
STEP 2, Give fish to Shari and presto, it becomes Baja sushi with her secret dipping sauce:


dk,
your picture shows raw fish or "sashimi."
the rice is "sushi."
fish with sushi rice is "nigiri sushi."
of course, when in rome, do as romans do and call it all "sushi."


Yes, I know that... that is why I called it 'Baja sushi'... and yes, when in Rome (or Bahia Asuncion) where the word used was 'sushi'... It is shorter and easier to say than sashimi, no?

Thank you anyway, for there may be none Japenese food eaters who didn't know that sushi is sticky rice with the fish or other food items.

aha baja - 9-16-2008 at 09:02 AM

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR... Natto is ferminted soy bean sprouts. It is an aquired taste like a lot of ethnic fare can be.

Iflyfish - 9-16-2008 at 03:04 PM

Diver says "There is no place for cream cheese or mayo in sushi !!!!!

I was born in North Dakota where there is room for mayo on everything!, particularly if the katsup is gone and you are using the standard baloon bread. By the way, the tuna there is all canned and comes in cassaroles with crumpled potato chips on top. Raw food, now that's different (translation: never bring that crap into this house again!) Ufda!

Now on the other hand ludafisk is soul food! Ufda again!

Iflyfishwhennotponderinghowfasttheludafiskcamebackupafterithitmyuvula

IflyfishwhennotfeelingproudofusingtheworduvulawhichInevergettouse

wetbobo - 9-16-2008 at 04:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
STEP 2, Give fish to Shari and presto, it becomes Baja sushi with her secret dipping sauce:


dk,
your picture shows raw fish or "sashimi."
the rice is "sushi."
fish with sushi rice is "nigiri sushi."
of course, when in rome, do as romans do and call it all "sushi."


Yes, I know that... that is why I called it 'Baja sushi'... and yes, when in Rome (or Bahia Asuncion) where the word used was 'sushi'... It is shorter and easier to say than sashimi, no?

A REAL man admits when he is wrong. You need help.

David K - 9-16-2008 at 04:22 PM

It was called 'sushi', and I know that without the rice it is sashimi, so when in Rome... yadda yadda yadda. This is not a Japanese language forum, is it?

A real man stands by what he has said and if others misunderstand, then he helps them to understand.

With only 7 posts on Nomad as I write this Mr./ Ms. 'wetbobo', do you really think that being rude is a good way to introduce yourself here and gain acceptance with what could be a huge group of new friends?

Want to start over? I will: Yes, the photo I posted is raw fish (sashimi in Japanese, as you said)... I (in error or wrongly) called it something else... Everyone there called it sushi, so above with the photo I called it 'Baja sushi' since we were in Baja, not Japan.

Von - 9-16-2008 at 05:50 PM

If anyone has credibility its our baja friend David K.

He might be wrong once in a great while but he isnt an a.......hole about it thats for sure, like some people that come and go or hide around here.

Some people need to grow up. Enjoy life Dudes and dudets!hahahahaha...

oh yeah? I forgot we all need help all the time... Mr. and Mrs Perfect.

David K - 9-16-2008 at 06:09 PM

Thanks Von... I appreciate the nice words...

Alan - 9-16-2008 at 07:05 PM

Bait on a Plate! Sorry folks, give me some fire on mine! Okay, California rolls are okay but I've seen far too many worms and other parasites crawling out of fish I have cleaned and those are just the ones I can see!

Martyman - 9-17-2008 at 08:51 AM

Worms, crickets, ants...they all add a little spice (and protein). Just chew well.