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Thora - 9-18-2008 at 11:09 AM

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Don Alley - 9-18-2008 at 11:21 AM

Great, a magazine all about the lifestyle I lead!

Not the first, though. "High Times" and "Mad" come to mind.


:biggrin:

elgatoloco - 9-18-2008 at 11:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
Great, a magazine all about the lifestyle I lead!

Not the first, though. "High Times" and "Mad" come to mind.


:biggrin:



:lol:

Shark18 - 9-18-2008 at 11:30 AM

Will your magazine be distributed at the Trump Ocean Resort?

CaboRon - 9-18-2008 at 11:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Shark18
Will your magazine be distributed at the Trump Ocean Resort?


It will be a sales tool for the Trump resort ....

vandenberg - 9-18-2008 at 11:38 AM

Here's my contribution.

In the background, which resembles a bombed out German city in "45, is the Loreto Bay settlement.

[Edited on 9-18-2008 by vandenberg]

elgatoloco - 9-18-2008 at 11:39 AM

Nice photos in that zine. I especially liked the closeup of the Yaqui tacos. I am going to get me some. :cool:

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 11:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Shark18
Will your magazine be distributed at the Trump Ocean Resort?


Actually, this publication would suit people who will live on the top floor of Trump's place and never leave the building. Nice, well done, slick periodical that regards adventure in Baja as trying a different guacamole at Sunday brunch. A few issues have been out and it's, so far, free. It's done well, like I said and has as a contributor a first class photographer, Doug Gould. So far he's only done architecture photography but, if he's allowed to expand his portfolio of Baja nature shots, the magazine will benefit by them.
Anyway, they don't know me but, they owe me lunch at Sharky's for saying all this stuff.

CaboRon - 9-18-2008 at 11:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by elgatoloco
Nice photos in that zine. I especially liked the closeup of the Yaqui tacos. I am going to get me some. :cool:


How about posting a recipie for those Yaqui Tacos ?

Then this thread might have some relevancy :lol:

CaboRon

BajaGeoff - 9-18-2008 at 12:01 PM

I would pay money for a free magazine with the Yaqui tacos recipe in it!

In all seriousness, Thora does a great job putting the magazine together. I am a fan!

Thank you! Keep the input coming!

Thora - 9-18-2008 at 12:25 PM

Thank you, everyone for the comments, phone calls and, Geoff, for the compliments. I'll work on more relevant, pertinent articles and that Yaqui taco recipe! Doug's nature shots are slated for upcoming issue(s). I thought the Baja Travesia article presented a bit more adventure than guacamole!!?? Must have missed that one!?

In all honesty, I need most help with ad sales so we can keep publishing. But I also need some help on stories about Baja destinations like Loreto (Vandenburg) and medical care in Baja...the new proposed port at Punta Colonet, environmental issues, adventures and exploration, fascinating stories, etc.

And let me know of places we need to put the magazine for you and your neighbors (and maybe you want to help distributing too)!

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 12:32 PM

Thanks Thora...I guess I was being a little over-critical. Like I said, I like what I see.
Would you be accepting freelance from Nancy Conroy? Perhaps a staff position? Taco recipes are good but we need a little more spice in our lives.

Wait a minute...Are you Nancy Conroy?


Edit for afterthought

[Edited on 9-18-2008 by DENNIS]

KAT54 - 9-18-2008 at 12:46 PM

So what are you paying for pictures, stories about environmental issues, adventures and exploration, fascinating stories, etc.?

Or is this just for fun?
FREE??

Dude...give her a break

Dave - 9-18-2008 at 12:48 PM

This magazine targets the kinds of folks we need more of. They have money. They spend money.

More taco tourists we don't need.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 12:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave

More taco tourists we don't need.


So...To answer her question, where would offer her magazine to attract these monied spend-thrifts?

Wow, this could keep one busy all day!

Thora - 9-18-2008 at 12:58 PM

I am NOT Nancy Conroy!

My intent is to bring the good news to those who live, want to live or need to know more to seriously consider moving to Baja. I am avoiding controversy (at least until I get established) so probably will not be employing Nancy (sorry Nancy), especially after the words she used to describe this type of publication..."crap" was the most kind...as she told me I would fail completely (put far more colorfully, I assure you).

I will pay contributors what I can afford to while I am enduring and trying to survive a tough economy and even tougher media attention. Anyone interested in contributing, please contact me so we can see what we can work out.

Taco tourists can sometimes become lifelong Baja supporters and bring those that DO have the $ to invest. We need all kinds. The money will come. Baja is too beautiful to not become a flourishing retirement and tourism destination when things turn around north of the border.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 01:03 PM

She, or one of her alter-egos, should be along shortly to join the conversation.

alter egos

Thora - 9-18-2008 at 01:08 PM

Then I will set out on a quest for an alter ego of my own to reply.

Santiago - 9-18-2008 at 01:16 PM

Thora: you wouldn't be related to Thor Hiney of Hiney Wines would you? I believe Trader Joes used to carry it.

http://www.hiney.com/

comitan - 9-18-2008 at 01:19 PM

Is it going to be like the Sea of Cortez Review, or Baja life both Magazines from the past and both very well done.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 01:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Thora
Then I will set out on a quest for an alter ego of my own to reply.


This should be fun. I'm on your side.

Paula - 9-18-2008 at 01:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Thora
I am NOT Nancy Conroy!

My intent is to bring the good news to those who live, want to live or need to know more to seriously consider moving to Baja. I am avoiding controversy (at least until I get established) so probably will not be employing Nancy (sorry Nancy), especially after the words she used to describe this type of publication..."crap" was the most kind...as she told me I would fail completely (put far more colorfully, I assure you).

I will pay contributors what I can afford to while I am enduring and trying to survive a tough economy and even tougher media attention. Anyone interested in contributing, please contact me so we can see what we can work out.

Taco tourists can sometimes become lifelong Baja supporters and bring those that DO have the $ to invest. We need all kinds. The money will come. Baja is too beautiful to not become a flourishing retirement and tourism destination when things turn around north of the border.




Thora, I don't know how you can avoid controversy while promoting a "flourishing retirement and tourism destination" on a small dessert peninsula with a shortage of water and infrastructure to support the big money development you seem to be proposing. While selling advertising space to large scale developers will you be publishing thoughtful articles on how this scale of development can be achieved without negative impact on a fragile environment? Will you be researching and discussing the impact-- both positive and negative-- that these developments will have
on local populations and traditional culture? Will you as editor raise the tough questions that need to be answered before this land sinks under the weight of cinder block, cement, and over-fed humans pouring across the border from the north to take advantage of the low cost high life?

bajajudy - 9-18-2008 at 01:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Here's my contribution.

In the background, which resembles a bombed out German city in "45, is the Loreto Bay settlement.

[Edited on 9-18-2008 by vandenberg]


Ed you are looking good, buddy.
And what a lovely setting

dtbushpilot - 9-18-2008 at 02:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Paula
Quote:
Originally posted by Thora
I am NOT Nancy Conroy!

My intent is to bring the good news to those who live, want to live or need to know more to seriously consider moving to Baja. I am avoiding controversy (at least until I get established) so probably will not be employing Nancy (sorry Nancy), especially after the words she used to describe this type of publication..."crap" was the most kind...as she told me I would fail completely (put far more colorfully, I assure you).

I will pay contributors what I can afford to while I am enduring and trying to survive a tough economy and even tougher media attention. Anyone interested in contributing, please contact me so we can see what we can work out.

Taco tourists can sometimes become lifelong Baja supporters and bring those that DO have the $ to invest. We need all kinds. The money will come. Baja is too beautiful to not become a flourishing retirement and tourism destination when things turn around north of the border.




Thora, I don't know how you can avoid controversy while promoting a "flourishing retirement and tourism destination" on a small dessert peninsula with a shortage of water and infrastructure to support the big money development you seem to be proposing. While selling advertising space to large scale developers will you be publishing thoughtful articles on how this scale of development can be achieved without negative impact on a fragile environment? Will you be researching and discussing the impact-- both positive and negative-- that these developments will have
on local populations and traditional culture? Will you as editor raise the tough questions that need to be answered before this land sinks under the weight of cinder block, cement, and over-fed humans pouring across the border from the north to take advantage of the low cost high life?


Here we go.....think I'll grab some popcorn and a beer :lol:....dt

Thora - 9-18-2008 at 02:36 PM

We'll address it all in time, as diplomatically and intelligently as possible, while still maintaining a publishing business. I welcome controversial letters and articles regarding development and other issues to be considered for publication.....Paula and anyone else who feels a yearning to be heard. There may, however, be a better venue, as we only publish every 2 months and local newspapers publish more frequently and are more willing to be a platform for controversial issues to be bantered or discussed in print.

Yoga

Thora - 9-18-2008 at 02:38 PM

sounds just what the doctor ordered! On what beach do I sign up?

Paula - 9-18-2008 at 02:43 PM

Yoga tours?!? I love it! And it has me thinking of magazine possibilities*.... like maybe Bajabeachyoga Journal, or Baja Buddhist: Live Simply So That Others May Simply Live.:biggrin:


*This is not to make fun of any other Baja magazines, real or imagined, the opening was just too good:saint:

KAT54 - 9-18-2008 at 02:55 PM

"In all honesty, I need most help with ad sales so we can keep publishing"
"I will pay contributors what I can afford to while I am enduring and trying to survive a tough economy "

So in other words you expect to charge thousands for advertising but may not survive the future.

Do you have a current printing already out on the newstands or is the PDF file your only magazine?

It seems here you are asking for posters to give you their experiences for free.

You documentation online says "help our economy in Baja" but i see on the internet you are living in Visalia Calif.

I really can not believe you are asking these fine people for pictures and experiences for free and you will reap the profits in Calif.

Do you know what a profesional writer gets for writing an article for a magazine?

Are you will to pay Union Wages?

Skeet/Loreto - 9-18-2008 at 03:19 PM

Thora:
You may use any story that I have written on this Board without any Charge whatsoever!
I will send stories to you that are all Factual! not BS!, I will try very hard not to call the Liberal Nuts "Nuts" because they say the the Sea of Cortez is Ruined, . Best fishing in 20 years!
I will gladly give my stories of the 38 years of living anf fishin the Sea of Cortez.

One thing is expected:
ALWAYS PRINT THE TRUTH WITH OUT SPIN.\\

Skeet/Loreto

woody with a view - 9-18-2008 at 03:34 PM

skeet, you're too easy.

charge her a trunk load of clothes for the kids in Constitution. it's the least she can do for 38 years worth of stories....:biggrin:

Thora - 9-18-2008 at 04:12 PM

Thanks, Skeet, and Woody's right. That I can do! One carload of clothes! Let me know where the Const. is.

I joined this forum to advertise for some legitimate help with ad sales, writing and photography. The magazine has 4 (bimonthly) issues out from Baja to Canada. I have traded and paid out far more than I have made (zip). I do not have the time (nor inclination) to defend myself against those who think I am in it just for the money (Kat) and who have no understanding of how tough the publishing business is...especially now and in Baja.

I would like to know where those "thousands" from the developers are to be had. You bring them in and I'll be only too happy to pay what my writers and photographers are really worth. Bless them for seeing my vision and helping me move my family to Baja so I can get my son a bilingual/bicultural lifestyle with better community values. I can only spend so much time in Baja away from them until this magazines pays for itself. So far I have donated thousands of my own dollars and thousands of my personal hours just to promote Baja in hopes that there will be a payoff.

"Do you know what a profesional writer gets for writing an article for a magazine?" Well, Kat, it depends on the writer, the magazine and the economy. Do YOU know?

"Are you will to pay Union Wages?" If you are in the writers' union, you don't need me to hire you...you're doing ok on your own!

Thanks for whatever positive input and ideas anyone can send me. I don't have room for "negative nancys" in my struggle to thrive.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 04:45 PM

Paula's question needs to be answered.

Shark18 - 9-18-2008 at 04:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whalemeat
We need more promotion in a positive light and less negative energy which kat seems to have a abundance of.


You're right! I was thinking of doing an article on which Baja California town mayor has the cutest armed bodyguards and the most elegant armored car convoy to travel around in. Do you think I can get the centerfold location for a photo montage?

:rolleyes:

David K - 9-18-2008 at 05:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by comitan
Is it going to be like the Sea of Cortez Review, or Baja life both Magazines from the past and both very well done.


Baja Life is still publishing... Baja Nomad member 'Rockman' (Norm C) recently had an excellent article in it!

http://www.bajalifemag.com

[Edited on 9-19-2008 by David K]

BajaGeoff - 9-18-2008 at 05:49 PM

So Kat54....curiosity is getting the best of me...what do you do for a living? You seem awfully determined to berate someone who has the guts to start their own small business and create a very nice magazine about the place they love and are passionate about.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 06:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGeoff
You seem awfully determined to berate someone who has the guts to start their own small business and create a very nice magazine about the place they love and are passionate about.


Wait a minute, Geoff.... She didn't berate anybody. She asked legit questions. They deserve legit answers.
Where did she berate?



Sorry Kat....I just assumed you were a she. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Edited on 9-19-2008 by DENNIS]

BajaGeoff - 9-18-2008 at 06:22 PM

Well.....the questions in Kat's last post were definitely legit, but the tone and comments mixed in with the questions were sarcastic and accusatory. That is how it came across to me.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 06:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGeoff
Well.....the questions in Kat's last post were definitely legit, but the tone and comments mixed in with the questions were sarcastic and accusatory. That is how it came across to me.


You have a vested interest, if only friendship and Kat's questions were nothing but that, questions.
Tone and comment? What does that mean? I didn't see any obtuse tone or comment mixed with the questions. They were questions at most. Kat is allowed that. Is it possible that your friends here are above question? let me know what you think about that.
In fact....Let the world know.

Paula - 9-18-2008 at 07:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Thora

I would like to know where those "thousands" from the developers are to be had. You bring them in and I'll be only too happy to pay what my writers and photographers are really worth. Bless them for seeing my vision and helping me move my family to Baja so I can get my son a bilingual/bicultural lifestyle with better community values. I can only spend so much time in Baja away from them until this magazines pays for itself. So far I have donated thousands of my own dollars and thousands of my personal hours just to promote Baja in hopes that there will be a payoff.


Thanks for whatever positive input and ideas anyone can send me. I don't have room for "negative nancys" in my struggle to thrive.



This is not Thora's whole post. I edited it for clarity in addressing the part that is meaningful to me.

Thora, I think you used the word "donated" here when "invested" would have been the better choice. A donation is a gift to a cause, person or organization with no expectation of personal return. You invested in a business venture to achieve a personal goal. It matters not to me that you are asking for volunteer contributions because I am neither a writer or a photographer, and really I wish you luck in your goal of moving to Baja, but I have reservations about your means of getting here.

I guess I'm feeling a little touchy right now, as I entered into this thread after reading this one: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=33891. This is personal to me. Ensenada Blanca is one of my favorite places on earth. I've passed many days enjoying the unspoiled beauty of this area. I know that local folk as well as tourists have used this beach for a long time, spending an hour or a day or several weeks, then moving on and leaving it for those who come after. The development taking place now will change this forever. One beach after another in this area is being lost to ordinary people, as "investors" take over. San Bruno. Nopolo. Puerto Escondido. Ensenada Blanca. So I guess I'll just have to cast myself as one of your "negative Nancys".

This is just the way I feel. I hope not to start another tedious discussion about development vs. preservation. I really try to stay out of these discussions, I know my views are controversial, but every now and again I just can't stay silent.

And really Thora, I hope you find a way to come live in this beautiful place-- if you can accept it as it is, and for what it is, and most of all for what it isn't.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 07:11 PM

If that wasn't a showpiece of compassion, nothing ever will be.

BajaGeoff - 9-18-2008 at 07:18 PM

For the second time Dennis...I had no problem with the questions. It was the comments in between the questions that rubbed me the wrong way. If you did not sense an obtuse tone then we can agree to disagree.

Thora posted here for possible resources and help to keep her magazine moving forward, which I wholeheartedly applaud. The idea that Thora would be "reaping the profits" from the Nomads as Kat said - is laughable.

I have only met Thora once, and I do like her magazine a lot. It is professional, well written, has a great design sense and best of all....is all about BAJA! I would love to see it continue. Now the world knows.

whalemeat - 9-18-2008 at 07:29 PM

I have to agree with Baja Geoff as kat 54 was rude and condecending in its comments( he or she). I also think some of the development vs the long time Baja life lovers feedback is sad as Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first place.The americans complaining about developments in Baja are not in their place as this is the Mexican peoples country and not theirs. Go back to New Mexico or San Francisco and tell them what to do but stop trying to be the caretaker for Baja, Mexico as your opinion is mute.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 07:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by KAT54
So in other words you expect to charge thousands for advertising but may not survive the future.

Do you have a current printing already out on the newstands or is the PDF file your only magazine?

It seems here you are asking for posters to give you their experiences for free.

You documentation online says "help our economy in Baja" but i see on the internet you are living in Visalia Calif.

I really can not believe you are asking these fine people for pictures and experiences for free and you will reap the profits in Calif.

Do you know what a profesional writer gets for writing an article for a magazine?

Are you will to pay Union Wages?



Ok, Geoff.... Point out the comments between the questions. Where and what are they?
This won't end until you clarify your statements or disappear in defeat. Your refusal to carry on will be a white flag. If I were wrong, I'd be wavin' one but I'd have the grace to admit it.

dtbushpilot - 9-18-2008 at 08:04 PM

I side with Baja Geoff as well. I don't have a vested interest in the issue, don't know kat 54 or Thora and have never seen the publication. There is a definate negative and challenging tone to kat 54's questions and if I were Thora I wouldn't bother to reply. Good luck with the magazine Thora......dt

mtgoat666 - 9-18-2008 at 08:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Paula
Quote:
Originally posted by Thora

I would like to know where those "thousands" from the developers are to be had. You bring them in and I'll be only too happy to pay what my writers and photographers are really worth. Bless them for seeing my vision and helping me move my family to Baja so I can get my son a bilingual/bicultural lifestyle with better community values. I can only spend so much time in Baja away from them until this magazines pays for itself. So far I have donated thousands of my own dollars and thousands of my personal hours just to promote Baja in hopes that there will be a payoff.


Thanks for whatever positive input and ideas anyone can send me. I don't have room for "negative nancys" in my struggle to thrive.



This is not Thora's whole post. I edited it for clarity in addressing the part that is meaningful to me.

Thora, I think you used the word "donated" here when "invested" would have been the better choice. A donation is a gift to a cause, person or organization with no expectation of personal return. You invested in a business venture to achieve a personal goal. It matters not to me that you are asking for volunteer contributions because I am neither a writer or a photographer, and really I wish you luck in your goal of moving to Baja, but I have reservations about your means of getting here.

I guess I'm feeling a little touchy right now, as I entered into this thread after reading this one: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=33891. This is personal to me. Ensenada Blanca is one of my favorite places on earth. I've passed many days enjoying the unspoiled beauty of this area. I know that local folk as well as tourists have used this beach for a long time, spending an hour or a day or several weeks, then moving on and leaving it for those who come after. The development taking place now will change this forever. One beach after another in this area is being lost to ordinary people, as "investors" take over. San Bruno. Nopolo. Puerto Escondido. Ensenada Blanca. So I guess I'll just have to cast myself as one of your "negative Nancys".

This is just the way I feel. I hope not to start another tedious discussion about development vs. preservation. I really try to stay out of these discussions, I know my views are controversial, but every now and again I just can't stay silent.

And really Thora, I hope you find a way to come live in this beautiful place-- if you can accept it as it is, and for what it is, and most of all for what it isn't.


She came here advertising for writers and ads, and all you provided was editorial input. I don't think she needs an editor, she needs a worker. You are proof that those that can, do; and those that can't, teach (or in your case run off at the mouth on Baja Nomad) :lol:
She should run her magazine how she wants, and serve the young and middle-aged, and ignore the moldy oldy retirees on Baja Nomad.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 08:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whalemeat
Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first place.


Another wannabe tourist giving prescriptions to a far away land.
"There", your word, tells me you arn't here. I'll sleep well knowing that.

Shark18 - 9-18-2008 at 08:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGeoff
For the second time Dennis...I had no problem with the questions. It was the comments in between the questions that rubbed me the wrong way. If you did not sense an obtuse tone then we can agree to disagree.


I'm one of the posters who is guilty of posting some sarcastic comments. I looked at the Baja Lifestyle magazine that is on their website. I think that anybody who actually lives in Baja knows that the magazine is not giving a fair and honest representation of what it is really like to live in Baja. It is more like a slick 4-color send-up of what Baja could have been. Baja does not look like nor feel like what is portrayed in the magazine.

By the way, speaking of explanations, did anybody other than me notice that one of the contributing editors with several articles in this month's magazine is "Doroteo Arango", which happens to be the true name of Pancho Villa? Did you also notice that the letter to the editor is from the very same Doug Gould whose pictures are used throughout the magazine? He talks about how great Baja is because his father hurt is back and the Baja doctors actually treated him...as if some kind of miracle had occurred.

I'm sorry, but I find that magazine extremely patronizing and an insult to my intelligence.

Paula - 9-18-2008 at 08:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whalemeat
I have to agree with Baja Geoff as kat 54 was rude and condecending in its comments( he or she). I also think some of the development vs the long time Baja life lovers feedback is sad as Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first place.The americans complaining about developments in Baja are not in their place as this is the Mexican peoples country and not theirs. Go back to New Mexico or San Francisco and tell them what to do but stop trying to be the caretaker for Baja, Mexico as your opinion is mute.


Excuse me whalemeat, but my opinion is not mute as I just put it up here. And you seemed to have noticed it. Just to set the record straight, I am not an American deadbeat, I can afford to be here, and put plenty of money and energy into my community. I am from Montana, not New Mexico or San Francisco, though both are wonderful places. Although the mayor of Loreto is my friend and neighbor I would never presume to tell him how to run our town, but I might advise him to look out for Gringos bringing their god advice on what Baja could be with a little help....

It is because of members like you that I rarely speak out on the forum anymore. But maybe you won't stick around. I have no problem with people who don't agree with my views, but I'm fairly intolerant of rudeness, and we see more and more of it here.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 08:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dtbushpilot
There is a definate negative and challenging tone to kat 54's questions


What is wrong with that? There was no attack, only questions. Why are you denying Kat the right to question? Did Kat forget to show the proper deference with the questions? If you had the same questions, how would you have stated them?

Paula - 9-18-2008 at 08:25 PM

Hey, Dennis,

May I please borrow some sticky notes?:dudette:

whalemeat - 9-18-2008 at 08:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by whalemeat
Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first place.


Another wannabe tourist giving prescriptions to a far away land.
"There", your word, tells me you arn't here. I'll sleep well knowing that.


Dennis, Let me guess,retired on limited budget and squeeking by in Baja. I guess the shoe fits tight and it hurts huh.I come down and enjoy myselfin baja but retirement will not be rationing myself to one case of tecate per week and two fish tacos a day if I am good.Sorry but I will retire where the cops are not dirty and crimes go unpunished.Its a great place to fish and the weather is nice in the winter but thats about it. Sorry to pop your retired in paradise balloon.

whalemeat - 9-18-2008 at 08:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Paula
Quote:
Originally posted by whalemeat
I have to agree with Baja Geoff as kat 54 was rude and condecending in its comments( he or she). I also think some of the development vs the long time Baja life lovers feedback is sad as Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first place.The americans complaining about developments in Baja are not in their place as this is the Mexican peoples country and not theirs. Go back to New Mexico or San Francisco and tell them what to do but stop trying to be the caretaker for Baja, Mexico as your opinion is mute.


Excuse me whalemeat, but my opinion is not mute as I just put it up here. And you seemed to have noticed it. Just to set the record straight, I am not an American deadbeat, I can afford to be here, and put plenty of money and energy into my community. I am from Montana, not New Mexico or San Francisco, though both are wonderful places. Although the mayor of Loreto is my friend and neighbor I would never presume to tell him how to run our town, but I might advise him to look out for Gringos bringing their god advice on what Baja could be with a little help....

It is because of members like you that I rarely speak out on the forum anymore. But maybe you won't stick around. I have no problem with people who don't agree with my views, but I'm fairly intolerant of rudeness, and we see more and more of it here.


It is because of members like me. Please spare us the melodramatics. If you rarely speak out it is because people are saying BS to your posts and you dont like the feedback to your crap. This is a public forum so all posts are welcome. Even yours.

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 08:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
ignore the moldy oldy retirees on Baja Nomad.


You should be ashamed of yourself for doing your off topic regurgitation in front of this lady. She's as fine a person you will ever be in the company of. May god help you if we ever meet.

whalemeat - 9-18-2008 at 08:38 PM

Violence never settles anything crusty moldy.

[Edited on 9-19-2008 by whalemeat]

Paula - 9-18-2008 at 09:40 PM

Thanks, Dennis.

motoged - 9-18-2008 at 10:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whalemeat
Violence never settles anything crusty moldy.

[Edited on 9-19-2008 by whalemeat]


WM,
I am not sure insulting others accomplishes much, either....except to entertain yourself.

Maybe it's a good thing you only drop by Baja for brief periods of time.

Oh....whalemeat???? Do you harvest it for "scientific research"....or just like the taste of blubber?

As a new voice here, you may not want to pee too much in your bathwater...

BajaGeoff - 9-18-2008 at 10:17 PM

You have got it all wrong Dennis. This is a forum, not a trial. There is no "right" or "wrong" no "victory" or "surrender" - just various opinions and perspectives on a particular topic for everyone to share. I have included the dictionary definition below for your convenience.

fo·rum (fôr'um) A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

With that, I respectfully leave this thread neither a "winner" or a "loser", but one who has shared my own opinion with the group.

Cheers!

[Edited on 9-19-2008 by BajaGeoff]

DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by KAT54
So in other words you expect to charge thousands for advertising but may not survive the future.

Do you have a current printing already out on the newstands or is the PDF file your only magazine?

It seems here you are asking for posters to give you their experiences for free.

You documentation online says "help our economy in Baja" but i see on the internet you are living in Visalia Calif.

I really can not believe you are asking these fine people for pictures and experiences for free and you will reap the profits in Calif.

Do you know what a profesional writer gets for writing an article for a magazine?

Are you will to pay Union Wages?



Ok, Geoff.... Point out the comments between the questions. Where and what are they?


As with other slow learners, I ask the question, over and over to the point it becomes a repeated redundancy. Are there too many words in the excercise to channel your attention? Just do half them tonight and the other half tomorrow. As the old saying goes, "Single steps are inspired by the dream of long journeys." Or something like that.
C'mon Geoff...Gimme the answers to the questions you inspired. It's the least you can do at this late hour.

wilderone - 9-19-2008 at 09:09 AM

Another exploitation of Baja regardless of the truth, both sides to an issue:
"... to promote Baja in hopes that there will be a payoff." So evidently, the articles in this publication will be of the Disney variety.
whalemeat: you better do some homework before you go spouting about "Mexican" development and what it's doing to Baja CA. The abomination called Loreto Bay was built by Canadian/Americans; the FADESA developments (Cancun devastation) are Spaniards; Trump? Local Mexican people have been run off their land, voiced opposition to development, yet development continues without regard to the wildlife, estuaries, turtle hatching, sand dunes, water supply, sewage pollution, etc, etc. - so many negative effects - and for what? We're not talking about affordable housing for Mexicans, are we? And while you're at it, do your homework on the displacement and economic hardship of Mexicans after development in Puerto Vallarta and other cities in mainland Mexico. Ruined beach towns for the sake of f___ing golf courses and hotels and condos - for whom? So what is this nonsense about Mexico for Mexicans by Mexicans BS? Looks like norteamericanos are taking what they want in ignorance and/or in spite of the fact that these very places used to be home and playground for Mexicans in their own country. And you better believe that somebody besides Mexicans need to be caretakers of Baja CA, because the past 10 years of destructive activity by Mexicans speaks for itself. In fact, it's the norteamericano environmental and charitable organizations' dollars and involvement that have done the most good and been most effective in awareness and preservation regarding ecological issues. What doesn't seem to change is the pursuit of the exploitation of Baja CA for selfish gain, and there will always be the other force - the pursuit of leaving Baja CA in it's natural state which is the highest and best use of a peninsula so unique in its biodiversity (quickly declining and covered by condos and golf courses), which is enjoyed and has been enjoyed by even more people than the condo owners. My interest in Baja is just as valid, and more important than the "Baja lifestyle" *whatever that is) promotors - I want the treasures of Baja CA to endure for future generations of Mexicans, and at the same time, I get what I want - an unspoiled Baja. The Baja "lifestyle" packaged as a condo on the beach with a sunset in the background and a margarita in hand can be enjoyed by a camper - who doesn't harm one single thing on the peninsula.

Thora - 9-19-2008 at 09:52 AM

Before I sign off for the last time, here is some food for thought.

My family and my tribe in the US and Mexico are involved in raising money for local parks, coordinating volunteers to plant trees and beautify blighted areas, and are offering the magazine as a platform for environmental groups to publicize their projects and solicit donations. We are environmentalists, engineers, architects, artists, nonconformists, mothers, fathers and children of the earth.

We have more than 1,000 acres in Punta Colonet set aside for a new colony of forward thinking people to develop an off-the-grid, self-contained, green community to be a model for the world. We have another 200 acres for a nature preserve. We will be overseeing, monitoring and advising the government and developers through environmental groups, during the development of the recently announced port project, in hopes of preventing disastrous consequences to the area. This is, admittedly, a daunting effort, considering the environmental consciousness displayed by both corporations and the government in Baja to date. But we care to take a stand and do what we can.

We have been involved in rescuing horses, dogs and in bringing the condor back to San Pedro de Martir. We have raised money for kids, parks, the environment and the arts in the United States and Mexico and have organized cultural events and children’s art projects from California to the Aztec ruins at Teotihuacan.

We are Mexicans, Americans Canadians, Indigenous, men, women and children. We care about what happens to Baja more than anyone!

What are you doing to help Baja’s future?

vandenberg - 9-19-2008 at 10:31 AM

Thora,

You sound like you're quoting a Loreto Bay brochure.:biggrin:

DENNIS - 9-19-2008 at 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Thora
Before I sign off for the last time, here is some food for thought.

My family and my tribe in the US and Mexico are involved in raising money for local parks, coordinating volunteers to plant trees and beautify blighted areas, and are offering the magazine as a platform for environmental groups to publicize their projects and solicit donations. We are environmentalists, engineers, architects, artists, nonconformists, mothers, fathers and children of the earth.

We have more than 1,000 acres in Punta Colonet set aside for a new colony of forward thinking people to develop an off-the-grid, self-contained, green community to be a model for the world. We have another 200 acres for a nature preserve. We will be overseeing, monitoring and advising the government and developers through environmental groups, during the development of the recently announced port project, in hopes of preventing disastrous consequences to the area. This is, admittedly, a daunting effort, considering the environmental consciousness displayed by both corporations and the government in Baja to date. But we care to take a stand and do what we can.

We have been involved in rescuing horses, dogs and in bringing the condor back to San Pedro de Martir. We have raised money for kids, parks, the environment and the arts in the United States and Mexico and have organized cultural events and children’s art projects from California to the Aztec ruins at Teotihuacan.

We are Mexicans, Americans Canadians, Indigenous, men, women and children. We care about what happens to Baja more than anyone!

What are you doing to help Baja’s future?


Sorry for quoting everything you said up there but, I didn't want to disect it. The whole thing is impressive and we'll all remember you and think of this post every time we see your magazine.

KAT54 - 9-19-2008 at 11:18 AM

Hope you see a copy Dennis.
Only 20,000 copies are made each of the 5 times printed a year and most got to Canada.

Looks like the magazine has lost money this year to the tune of (my estimate only) $400k
I added up all the ads in the magazine online.

"We will be overseeing, monitoring and advising the government..."
Yes that will WORK in Northern Baja.

I guess at my age (77) I'm could not live in a "new colony of forward thinking people"

DENNIS - 9-19-2008 at 11:24 AM

For anybody in this area with interest, there are copies available at Sharky's, next door to Doug Gould's office or, Thora gave the website on her first post and you can read it online.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-19-2008 at 02:08 PM

For Thora from and Old Moldy Baja Resident of many years :

If you will collect a Pick up Load of Warm Jackets/Clothes that will fit from 3 to 13 year old Kids, put them in old Suitcases{Gets through Customs easier} deliver them to Cuidad Constitution{9o Miles West of Loreto} to the General Hospital there telling them you collected it for "Warm Jackets for Cold Kids" Chairty I will do the following for you and your mag.

I am going a a trip from The Great State of Texas to Baja Sur. Going through Guaymus across the Ferry to Sta Rosalilla, then down to Mulege and Loreto as I did in 1970 for the First Time.

I will take Pictures, talk with the People, Observe the diffrerences between 1970 and the Present time.
Will send you all the Photos and a general outline of all discussions of what I observed. You may do as you wish with the Information..


Skeet/Loreto

mulegemichael - 9-19-2008 at 02:27 PM

thora...please check your u2u..

Paula - 9-19-2008 at 03:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Thora
Before I sign off for the last time, here is some food for thought.

My family and my tribe in the US and Mexico are involved in raising money for local parks, coordinating volunteers to plant trees and beautify blighted areas, and are offering the magazine as a platform for environmental groups to publicize their projects and solicit donations. We are environmentalists, engineers, architects, artists, nonconformists, mothers, fathers and children of the earth.

We have more than 1,000 acres in Punta Colonet set aside for a new colony of forward thinking people to develop an off-the-grid, self-contained, green community to be a model for the world. We have another 200 acres for a nature preserve. We will be overseeing, monitoring and advising the government and developers through environmental groups, during the development of the recently announced port project, in hopes of preventing disastrous consequences to the area. This is, admittedly, a daunting effort, considering the environmental consciousness displayed by both corporations and the government in Baja to date. But we care to take a stand and do what we can.

We have been involved in rescuing horses, dogs and in bringing the condor back to San Pedro de Martir. We have raised money for kids, parks, the environment and the arts in the United States and Mexico and have organized cultural events and children’s art projects from California to the Aztec ruins at Teotihuacan.

We are Mexicans, Americans Canadians, Indigenous, men, women and children. We care about what happens to Baja more than anyone!

What are you doing to help Baja’s future?



A community in colonet? Do you have a friend named Pilar who was (is?) also involved in a "green community" up that way?

Sounds like you have done many nice things, but I still think it is what you don't do that is important.

Good luck to you.

elizabeth - 9-19-2008 at 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by whalemeat
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Originally posted by Paula
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Originally posted by whalemeat
I have to agree with Baja Geoff as kat 54 was rude and condecending in its comments( he or she). I also think some of the development vs the long time Baja life lovers feedback is sad as Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first place.The americans complaining about developments in Baja are not in their place as this is the Mexican peoples country and not theirs. Go back to New Mexico or San Francisco and tell them what to do but stop trying to be the caretaker for Baja, Mexico as your opinion is mute.


Excuse me whalemeat, but my opinion is not mute as I just put it up here. And you seemed to have noticed it. Just to set the record straight, I am not an American deadbeat, I can afford to be here, and put plenty of money and energy into my community. I am from Montana, not New Mexico or San Francisco, though both are wonderful places. Although the mayor of Loreto is my friend and neighbor I would never presume to tell him how to run our town, but I might advise him to look out for Gringos bringing their god advice on what Baja could be with a little help....

It is because of members like you that I rarely speak out on the forum anymore. But maybe you won't stick around. I have no problem with people who don't agree with my views, but I'm fairly intolerant of rudeness, and we see more and more of it here.


It is because of members like me. Please spare us the melodramatics. If you rarely speak out it is because people are saying BS to your posts and you dont like the feedback to your crap. This is a public forum so all posts are welcome. Even yours.


And Whalemeat, just who are you with all of your 14 posts to say whose posts are welcome? And especially how do you have the gall to characterize the posts of someone who has posted a lot of good information over the years as crap, given your limited participation?

I just read this thread for the first time, and thought that Paula asked some significant questions, and made some good comments. It would be great to see a magazine that actually presented truthful information about a development and its' impact instead of just passing on the developers claims because they happen to pay for, or could potentially pay for, advertising. Unlike you, she didn't resort to referring to people's posts as "crap" or melodramatic. And you might just take someone's word for it when they tell you why they aren't posting...I share the same reticence in posting because I don't much like the current tone many are taking which is mean spirited, nasty, and devolving into personal attacks.

BTW, did you actually mean "moot" instead of "mute"?

CaboRon - 9-19-2008 at 06:30 PM

moot ....

“Moot point,” not “mute point”
Posted in grammar, pronunciation, word choice by wellaontheweb on September 25th, 2006
I haven’t heard this myself, but my friend Celeste has and it’s so hilarious it deserves a blog entry.

Apparently Celeste has heard people say, “It’s a mute point.”

That’s “mute” pronounced “mee-yoot” as in remaining silent.

The correct term is “moot point” and the correct first word, its spelling, and pronunciation is “moot.” Like adding T to the end of what a cow would say.

And what is meant by “moot point”? A moot point is one that need not be decided, due to a change of circumstances. Very interesting, because the word “moot” by itself means “debatable, or subject to discussion,” the opposite of its use in the legal context. The shift in usage is slowly happening, starting here in the United States.

But what’s this about a “mute point”? As Celeste reports to me, some people say this thinking it means, “Let’s put the mute button on and cease any discussion on this.”

Wouldn’t it be funny if the term evolves this way to become correct? After all, with the ubiquity of remote controls and mute buttons, a “mute point” may make more sense than a “moot point” to someone who’s not a lawyer.

For today, however, it’s wrong. Say “moot point” and try not to stick a “y” sound in there

BajaGringo - 9-19-2008 at 07:36 PM

Ron, thank you for enlightening me this Friday afternoon. I may not always agree with you but I enjoy your posts/observations...

Thora - 9-19-2008 at 07:44 PM

And thank you all for entertaining ME (the newbie) with all of this...your opinions are all taken to heart and your support is much appreciative. If I haven't responded here to your comments (that deserve comment) you will hear from me on u2u.

Shark18 - 9-23-2008 at 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by xolotl_tj
Let’s set Shark18’s mind at rest. I am not Pancho Villa. I’m not even sure that I’m related to him.

Saludos,
Doroteo Arango
Tijuana, Baja California


Oh that is so cute! I already know who you are, and you are not Doroteo Arango. You have quite the reputation in TJ. Other than spending all your waking hours posting about your exploits with TJ putas on escort service websites, you write a little. Would you like me to post some of your better postings here so everybody can see what a creep you are?

Better yet, I'll just re post one of your rants about the TJ cops:

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El consejo del Pi(n)che Gabacho - 23-nov-2007, 10:01

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During the last year, there has been an alarming increase in the incidence of Tijuana municipal police taking money from tourists under color of authority. This behavior violates city ordinances, state penal codes, the federal constitution, and international treaties. This behavior is on the rise because its victims do not, by and large, complain to the right people.

If a Tijuana cop takes your money from you, you're not likely to get it back. This is not just a Tijuana thing. Around the world, possession is nine tenths of the law. If you really want to get your money back, you'd have to file a complaint with the Sindicatura and possibly also with the Ministerio Público. The legal system in Mexico is very similar to the legal system in the U.S. You would need to identify your assailants beyond a reasonable doubt -- by name, by badge number, by physical description, and identify them in real life. You would need to supply an accurate description of the crime, its time, and its place. You would need to appear before authorities in Tijuana several times. You might need to appear in court to give testimony and to be cross-examined.

But … if you don't do anything about your assault … more people will be assaulted, and in increasingly more brazen ways. If you wish to make your future visits to Tijuana safer and more enjoyable, your most effective course of action is to mobilize the bureaucracy into taking preventive action.

Tourism is the single most important source of income for Tijuana and for Baja California. Tourism is the third most important source of income for Mexico as a whole. Consequently, there are many governmental and non-governmental bodies whose mission it is to bring in the tourist dollars. When you let these groups know of your assault, they will be able to compile the data they need to initiate "sting" operations against corrupt officials. According to a member of the Sindicatura here in Tijuana, more than two hundred municipal police lost their jobs during the first half of 2007 as a direct result of the complaints filed by their victims.

This is one of those cases where you can either be part of the problem or part of the solution. The world would be a better place if you were to try to be part of the solution.

STEP ONE - THE ASSAULT

Many tourists believe that, so long as they travel by taxi, they will be safe from the corrupt members of the police force. Lately, however, there have been corroborated reports of tourists being assaulted by policemen within a few hundred feet of the San Ysidro pedestrian border. Evidently you can now get out of a taxi at the SENTRI turnaround and still get robbed by a pair of policemen.

Two things are vitally important: preserve as much evidence as possible and avoid escalating the situation. Try to remember what your assailants look like, their names, badge numbers, insignias, and type of uniform. Make a note of the time and place of the assault and try to get contact information from any willing witness. All this will help corroborate your story. Do not become combative with your assailants and do not speak to them in a disrespectful manner: both of these behaviors are crimes that your assailants would just love for you to commit.

STEP TWO - FIRST ALERTS

There are closed-circuit video cameras throughout the touristed areas of Tijuana. Most are monitored by the municipal police department; some (like those used by the Tijuana Duty Free store) are privately operated. All of this video can disappear if you don't let people know it's worth preserving.

Immediately after the assault, go to the closest public phone and dial 078. This is an emergency number used throughout Baja California for the protection of tourists. It is said to be staffed around the clock with bilingual employees. Report the assault with as much detail as you can. You will be speaking with the state's tourism secretariat, which employs licensed attorneys who can intercede on the behalf of any tourist who makes such a request. If your closest phone is in the U.S., dial 1-888-775-2417.

The Tijuana Convention and Visitors Bureau also recommends that you call the local chief of police. The Bureau even gives out photocopies of his business card. As of this writing (November 2007), the chief of the Zona Norte comandancia (which includes the border crossing) is Aurelio Martínez. His office number is (011-52-664) 973-7000 extension 5587. His cell phone is 011-52-1-664-121-4939 (from U.S. phones) or 044-664-121-4939 (from Mexican phones). His Nextel number is 152*164801*1.

STEP THREE - SPREAD THE WORD

Let the right people know you've been assaulted.

Writing rambling, angry accounts for the delectation of gringo Internet forums isn't going to help much. Writing concise, dispassionate accounts for the people in Mexico whose job it is to promote tourism or capital investment -- yes, that will get the results we need. Especially if you end your note with something along the lines of "By permitting rogue elements of the Tijuana police to trample the federal Constitution and to violate internationally recognized human rights, all of Mexico is demeaned. In order to promote foreign investment and tourism in Mexico, please make Tijuana safe for tourists by bringing these abusive policemen to justice."

http://www.sexytijuana.com/foro/showthread.php?t=315


p.s. You also post all over the internet as "P-nche_gabacho@latinmail.com. BTW, does Thora know what a pervert you are?