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Question for Bull Fighting Fans

DianaT - 9-23-2008 at 07:29 PM

The picture below shows a banner that I saved from my 90 year old mother-in-laws trash box. She could not remember when or who gave it to her, but it was a gift from a friend who knew they loved their travels in Mexico---mainland and Baja.

It appears to be an advertisement for a bull fight in Spain, and from just a little google investigation, I think they were very well known bullfighters in the past. Unfortunately, the banner does not have a year printed.

Do any of you bullfighting fans know anything else about them?

Thanks
Diane

[Edited on 9-24-2008 by jdtrotter]

Paulina - 9-23-2008 at 07:43 PM

Oso should be all over this one.

I hope you went through your mother in law's trash with a fine toothed comb if this is an example of what she tossed away.

A treasure trove!

Has the trash gone out yet? Ya need help?

P<*)))>{

DianaT - 9-23-2008 at 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina
Oso should be all over this one.

I hope you went through your mother in law's trash with a fine toothed comb if this is an example of what she tossed away.

A treasure trove!

Has the trash gone out yet? Ya need help?

P<*)))>{

Just like her oldest son who shall remain nameless :lol:

she is a stubborn and independent person so many a thing went to the trash and shredder before we got there. We did save many of the old Baja slides I posted before.

She has given family member things over the last few years that she thought they would want, and of course, there are the ones who put their names on what they think might be of real monetary value----everyone knows those people.

But I am afraid that many of the fun and interesting things from just a historical perspective hit the dump. But we arrived in time to save a few items like a Mrs. Butterworth glass bottle, and an old metal mop bucket with a place to wring out the mop that her husband bought her 60 years ago ---such a present. :lol:

Diane

[Edited on 9-24-2008 by jdtrotter]

toneart - 9-23-2008 at 08:30 PM

Diane,

Those Spanish Matadors were THE preeminent bullfighters of all time. The only other ones that were on a par with them was Manolete and earlier, Juan Belmonte. Manolete died from being gored in 1947. So I would place this poster in the late 1950s. Ordonez went on fighting well into the 1960s, but Dominguin retired before him. The were brothers in law. Dominguin was a well publicized lover of Ava Gardner. Dominguin and Ordonez toured in a mano a mano in 1959, just before Dominguin retired.

I think the only Mexican Matador that was in that league was Carlos Aruza. As a teenager, I saw him fight in Tijuana.

I had read Hemingway and Barnaby Conrad and was caught up in the macho, the ritual and glamor of it. Later I lost my enthusiasm for bullfighting. In fact, I had a real conscience conflict and couldn't bear the thought of the cruelty.

Your poster looks like it is in very good shape, so it is a collectors' item, for sure.

DianaT - 9-23-2008 at 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by toneart
Diane,

Those Spanish Matadors were THE preeminent bullfighters of all time. The only other ones that were on a par with them was Manolete and earlier, Juan Belmonte. Manolete died from being gored in 1947. So I would place this poster in the late 1950s. Ordonez went on fighting well into the 1960s, but Dominguin retired before him. The were brothers in law. Dominguin was a well publicized lover of Ava Gardner. Dominguin and Ordonez toured in a mano a mano in 1959, just before Dominguin retired.

I think the only Mexican Matador that was in that league was Carlos Aruza. As a teenager, I saw him fight in Tijuana.

I had read Hemingway and Barnaby Conrad and was caught up in the macho, the ritual and glamor of it. Later I lost my enthusiasm for bullfighting. In fact, I had a real conscience conflict and couldn't bear the thought of the cruelty.

Your poster looks like it is in very good shape, so it is a collectors' item, for sure.

Tony,
We were going to call when we were up in your area, but our time was limited and consumed with getting lots of things settled. The Bret Harte Retirement Hotel is a really nice place, and she chose it, and is very happy.

But we will be back and will call----

We are back home and are reading more items about these bullfighters and the competition between Ordenez and Dominguin---reads a little like a soap opera. The Hemmingway and Ava Gardner connection are fasninating.

This poster is cloth so it is in very good condition and I am so glad I found it in the "trash" box. The history is so fasinating and great reading---IMHO, real life is always better than fiction.

Thanks for your insight and information---just found a short video with Ave Gardner---great

Diane

On edit---My parents took me to a bullfight in Tijuana when I was 5 and I have never wanted to see another one.

[Edited on 9-24-2008 by jdtrotter]

slimshady - 9-23-2008 at 09:21 PM

Just throw it away. Better yet I will throw it away for you.

DianaT - 9-23-2008 at 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by slimshady
Just throw it away. Better yet I will throw it away for you.

Have a frame?

Baja-Brit - 9-24-2008 at 04:07 AM

I have never been to a bull fight in my life and I never will! :mad:

*jumps of my soap box before I say anything else*

As you were.

Oso - 9-24-2008 at 08:25 AM

Toneart said it all, not much I can add.

BTW, I used to live down the road from Carlos Arruza (2 r's) in the early 60's when he was in his second career as a rejoneador (a matador who "fights" on horseback) He was one of the best and one of the best horse trainers ever. (picadors' horses are blindfolded and drugged up so they don't freak out when the bull charges them. A rejoneador's horse is not and depends on agility to avoid getting gored. They learn to respond to signals from the rejoneador's knees and spurs as he needs his hands free to place banderillas etc. Arruza was killed in a car accident on the Toluca highway.

[Edited on 9-24-2008 by Oso]

bajajudy - 9-24-2008 at 08:40 AM

I gained a lot of insight into the sport from reading "Mexico" by Michener if anyone is interested in a behind the scenes look.

One thing that I will never forget is that they call the best bulls precioso....hardly an adjective I would have thought of for a bull.