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Comparative Cost of Living in Baja – Part 2: Grocery Price Sampling

Cajones - 10-7-2008 at 12:17 AM

http://www.bajainsider.com/baja-life/general-information/com...

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Our Price Survey indicates that living on the 'Three-sided Island' of the Baja peninsula isn't the bargain it use to be. Here is the first in our cost of living comparison articles and what to expect when moving to Baja, straight up...
by Tomas Zyber and Slade Ogeltree
Baja is often referred to as a three sided island because almost everything needs to be trucked or shipped for consumption. These trucks and ships often return home empty, as produce is about the only export Baja has to offer.

When we first arrived in La Paz, some nearly eight years ago we both were struck by the noticeable cost of living decrease from the areas that we have both come from, San Diego and San Francisco. I maintained log entries with receipts that, a trip to the grocery for supplies for almost a week came to just under $70USD. While sitting around bemoaning the fact that virtually the same grocery list now runs me closer to $120, we decided to do a little semi scientific investigation.

Now, I say semi scientific, because I have done very scientific surveys for marketing firms before and we have some major flaws in our techniques. Our survey isn't weighted, for the amount of consumption, and it took place over nearly a month, so prices could have fluctuated slightly between locations. We did not compare exact brands, for the difficulty of finding them over such a broad geographic area. All our prices are from major supermarkets, Soriana was used here in La Paz. if you shopped around you could probably beat all of these prices in each of the cities. But, forgiving the pun, we tried to compare apples to apples where we could. In the event of a large price spread in the same area, we averaged the prices, for example bacon in La Paz ranged from $5.60 for the local brand to $7.99 for Oscar Meyer. All units and prices are converted to English units and US dollars.

Also read "Days of Living Cheap in Mexico"
We selected a quick handful of items that are more or less staples of life (except for the McDonalds meal, to which none of our respondents admitted to ever ordering) We excluded beer and spirits, beer has risen dramatically since the "beer wars' ended in Mexico and spirits have a very significant tax on them in Mexico. A bottle of BV Cabernet was available for $11.00 in San Diego could not be had for less than double that in Baja. However, if you prefer Argentine or Chilean wines, there is no duty.

Like in the US, the price leader may vary from month to month but Soriana has the largest number of stores nation wide and most directly compared to our American supermarket mentality. They don't carry as many 'gringo' brands as some of the other markets like C.C.C., but they are located all across Baja from TJ to Cabo.

In coming weeks we will look at some of the other factor, like rent, home purchases and dining out. There are strange differences as well. Anything made in China is more expensive in Mexico, as there is a large import tax on items made in China, India and a few other oriental locations. Tupperware, for example, becomes a treasured item when purchased in Mexico at two to five times the price paid in the states.

Quality of available items can be disconcerting too. Baja residents are excited about the arrival of Walmart, looking for an outlet for increased quality with low prices. A sad thought, considering Walmart is near the bottom of the quality ladder in the USA.

Quality can be hard to find and usually not found under store brand labels. I recently purchased some store brand size 8-12 socks. The foot may indeed have been able to accommodate size 12, but I do believe you would have had a hard time getting the elastic part over the foot of a 6 year old. I used them to wax the boat.

As a pet owner I will add that dog food, such as Purina, costs as much here as premium dog food in the US. Veterinary care, although not as sophisticated as the states, is a fraction of the cost of my last US residence, San Diego. Veterinary medications like 'Frontline' are cheaper in the US, probably due to competition.

We did experience one boon this summer, when there was the fabricated scare of salmonella in the Roma tomatoes from Mexico in the US, we had an abundance of premium quality ripe tomatoes in our markets. The price dropped to about $0.29/ lb!

We will get into building products in a subsequent article. But, it will suffice to say, if you have a sheet of 4x8 3/4" plywood, you make sure it is locked up at night.

So, here is how some major cities in the US stack up against gas and grocery prices in Baja. The highest price for each item is in red the lowest price in blue. (Survey between Aug 1 and Sept 1, 2008.

Item
1 Dozen Eggs
La Paz $2.20
San Diego $1.99
Phoenix $1.79
Boston $1.19
Philadelphia $1.49

1lb Lean Hamburger
La Paz $3.89
San Diego $4.49
Phoenix $4.99
Boston $3.29
Philadelphia $2.59

1 Gallon Whole Milk
La Paz $4.60
San Diego $3.99
Phoenix $3.59
Boston $2.99
Philadelphia $3.91

Loaf of White Bread
La Paz $2.50
San Diego $2.29
Phoenix $2.19
Boston $1.79
Philadelphia $0.95

Whole Frying Chicken
La Paz $1.29/lb
San Diego $1.59/lb
Phoenix $1.69/lb
Boston $1.19/lb
Philadelphia $1.49/lb

1lb Cheddar Cheese
La Paz $7.27/lb
San Diego $7.49/lb
Phoenix $5.99
Boston $3.89
Philadelphia $4.29

1 Pound Bacon
La Paz $6.89/lb
San Diego $3.75
Phoenix $2.99
Boston $2.89
Philadelphia $2.89

1 Head Lettuce
La Paz $1.29ea
San Diego $1.79ea
Phoenix $0.99
Boston $0.99
Philadelphia $1.89

1lb Red Tomatoes
La Paz $0.79/lb
San Diego $2.99/lb
Phoenix $1.99
Boston $1.69
Philadelphia $1.99

Box Kraft Mac & Cheese
La Paz $1.30
San Diego $1.37
Phoenix $1.49
Boston $1.00
Philadelphia $1.09

Bath Sized Bar Soap
La Paz $0.79
San Diego $0.48
Phoenix $0.64
Boston $0.49
Philadelphia $0.69

1 gal Unleaded Gas
La Paz $2.53/gal
San Diego $4.35/gal
Phoenix $3.89/gal
Boston $3.93/gal
Philadelphia $3.89/gal

McD's 1/4 Pounder Meal
La Paz $7.89
San Diego $6.89
Phoenix $5.28
Boston $5.99
Philadelphia $5.99


Gas & Grocery total

La Paz $43.23
San Diego $43.46
Phoenix $37.51
Boston $31.32
Philadelphia $33.15


It was no surprise that, of our selected cities that San Diego had the highest prices on just about everything, with the second highest cost of living in the United States. What was a bit of a stunner was the fact that La Paz placed second and if it wasn't for our low price for gasoline would have won.(lost?) Salem, Massachusettes, some 60 miles north of Boston was the low price winner.

Now, we will be the first to admit that adjustments in your shopping habits can alter this outcome.Meats are cheaper and better for you as hormones and antibiotics are not allowed in Mexican beef. Chicken has recently risen by about 80% since spring, hopefully this is a temporary thing and prices will fall with the temperatures in mainland Mexico. Fresh produce is cheaper here, as a good amount of the tomatoes, lettuce and broccoli are grown within a few hundred miles of most locations in Baja. These supermarket prices can probably be beat at local farmers markets.

The biggest difference was the cost of gasoline. Mexico subsidizes fuel prices and is a petroleum producer, at least for the immediate future, but this will begin phasing out in January and gas prices have already risen a few cents since this survey. But retirees, who make up the bulk of those moving to Baja, do not have a commute and the lifestyle here in Baja has reduced my yearly mileage from 28K./year in San Diego to just over 11K miles last year.

Medical and dental care does still make Mexico a bargain. The correct hospitals and doctors offer a very acceptable level of medical care. This is significant line item for retirees as you can almost estimate costs to be 1/10th that of the US. However, if they cut off the wrong leg call a carpenter rather than a lawyer, because mal practice is non-existant.

Prescription medications used to be much cheaper in Mexico, again because of the limited liability awards. But prices have risen to be much closer to the US norm. There have also been significant cases of medical forgery/potency in brands like Viagra, Cialis, antibiotics and some of the costly high blood pressure medication.

We hope you find this information useful in your plans to visit or relocate to Baja. We will cover some of the other staples of life in the near future including car costs, clothing and building. Until then, Happy Shopping!

We would like to thank all of our price survey participants from coast to coast for their help and cooperation.

vandenberg - 10-7-2008 at 07:04 AM

I'm packing and moving to Boston.:biggrin:

Think there is room for some Nopolo lowlife.:?::?::biggrin:

[Edited on 10-7-2008 by vandenberg]

Hook - 10-7-2008 at 07:53 AM

I think the heating oil costs in the winter will eliminate Boston from any overall cost of living comparison.

My wife is keeping a spreadsheet on items we purchase over here in Sonora. It covers our basic items purchased at Sorianas, Ley, Super Val and a small local competitor: Santa Rosa market.

In a nutshell, it pays to shop around at all these sources. Across our list of items, none of the places was consistently cheaper on all items. Being retired, we can take advantage of this timewise and they are fairly close together. But, as the survey indicates, Mexico isn't the bargain it once was. But there are some items we consider staples that we can still get deals on. Shrimp and fish, beef, and vegetables from the farmer's markets are significantly under the everyday price of the same items in the States.

Bottom line: what continues to make Mexico so affordable is the cost of housing; whether purchasing or renting. Fuel is also a bargain, for the time being.

Cajones - 10-7-2008 at 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Fuel is also a bargain, for the time being.


True, but that is a short-lived benefit. Mexico is moving the price of gasoline to parity with the US. Gasoline costs should be the same by early 2009.

oxxo - 10-7-2008 at 08:14 AM

Here is what I posted on another thread a week ago.

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Okay, rather than guesswork, here are the facts.

We went to Costco at lunch today for our weekly hotdog (man cannot live by tacos alone, but it wouldn't be bad to try). I didn't have the grocery list that was published on Baja Insider so I did it from memory. I remembered 6 out of the 11 grocery items, so not too bad.

Here are the prices today 10/01/08 at Costco for the following items (with prices in La Paz in parenthesis):

eggs - 1.63/doz. (2.20)
hamburger - 2.83/lb (3.89)
milk - 3.68/gal (4.60)
bread - 1.64/loaf (2.50)
bacon - 2.65/lb (6.89)
lettuce - .92/head (1.29)

If you total these 6 items up, I would pay 13.35 at Costco in San Lucas and 21.37 at Soriana in La Paz. That equals 38% less than La Paz. I was being too conservative in my previous estimates about how much we save.

Now if I take those 6 items and compare them to the US locations in the article, Cabo is approximately equal to the lowest priced city in the US, Boston. So I get Boston's low prices without having to put up with a Boston winter (yes I did spend part of a winter there).

I my opinion, La Paz is a much more expensive city for daily expenses than Los Cabos. However, that could change soon because there is a WalMart under construction and I hear rumors about a Costco location in La Paz.

Actually, I think we live for much less than 15% compared to SoCal, but I would really to have to spend some time to prove it. I'm just happy here with a better quality of life to boot!

DianaT - 10-7-2008 at 08:19 AM

You mean they have cheddar cheese and whole frying chickens in La Paz? Dang, may have to move. :lol::lol:

Food items are even more expensive out where we are---but we sure do like the cost of the electricty and water. :yes:

Diane

Hook - 10-7-2008 at 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by Cajones
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Originally posted by Hook
Fuel is also a bargain, for the time being.


True, but that is a short-lived benefit. Mexico is moving the price of gasoline to parity with the US. Gasoline costs should be the same by early 2009.


Hence, the "for the time being" qualifier. I will worry about it more if diesel follows. Not sure what's going on there.

stanburn - 10-7-2008 at 09:41 AM

If you try to purchase the same products as you would buy NOB, then things cost more in Mexico. If you eat like the locals then they are less. Try getting a kilo of fresh tortillas NOB for 12 pesos!

rhintransit - 10-7-2008 at 09:50 AM

how fascinating to have actual comparisons. the research, does back up my informal observations. I lived many years in mainland Mexico, and now going on four in Baja...shopping 'center' Loreto. my USA home is in the Phoenix area, which correlates nicely with the 'studies.'

as far as groceries and home needs/improvement, etc, excluding gasoline, I can live far cheaper in Phoenix. and I could live cheaper in a larger BCS city (La Paz prices look great in comparison to Loreto) I liked the grocery lists. however, they do not/cannot include the amazing things called "sales" that Loreto has yet to discover. for example, cheddar cheese, in the survey, Phoenix 3.99/pound is regularly on sale for 2/pound. Loreto, when and if, pay whatever they ask. or go without. the ability to shop for bargains, the signifantly higher quality at all price levels, the staggering variety and above all the regular availablity of items always amaze me on my semi-annual visits 'home' to the USA. (US) Americans just do not know how good they have it in the CONSUMER area.

housing...well. that's another topic and varies greatly from individual to individual. ulitities...ditto. (I don't have access to, and therefore don't use, any in Mexico) gas...won't address

bottom line for me...I could live much cheaper in Phoenix, USA, the land of my birth. I choose to live in (Baja...though I may head to the mainland soon for other reasons than money), Mexico, the country of my heart.

thanks for the research.

BajaSerg - 10-7-2008 at 09:57 AM

We bring all are grocery from the state side, were weekenders, we fine that it’s cheaper, we do by Avocados in Rosarito (now there’s a deal!) need to have are Guacamole fix LOL



makana.gabriel - 10-7-2008 at 10:15 AM

I know this has nothing to do with Baja but have to share anyway. Just got back from Honolulu and at Costco there, the 18 pack of eggs is over $4.50, the 2 gallon pack of milk is over $7.50, and the big bag of Tyson boneless/skinless thighs that cost $12.79 here is $20.89
What a bargain it is living in Cabo!!!!!

oxxo - 10-7-2008 at 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by BajaSerg


Oye Sergio, How about making up some tee shirts like this, but instead of BajaSerg at the bottom, airbrush in BajaMama?

Suerte.

Cajones - 10-7-2008 at 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
I think the heating oil costs in the winter will eliminate Boston from any overall cost of living comparison.


I'm not so sure about that. In order to live in La Paz from May through October, and be as comfortable as in Boston, one has to run the airconditioning full time. La Paz avererage daytime high temperatures:
May 94
June 94
July 97
August 96
September 94
October 90

Hook - 10-7-2008 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Cajones
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Originally posted by Hook
I think the heating oil costs in the winter will eliminate Boston from any overall cost of living comparison.


I'm not so sure about that. In order to live in La Paz from May through October, and be as comfortable as in Boston, one has to run the airconditioning full time. La Paz avererage daytime high temperatures:
May 94
June 94
July 97
August 96
September 94
October 90


There are ways of staying cool without using AC,, all day, all the time. A good solid palapa structure with ceiling fans underneath it being the most effective.

Cajones - 10-7-2008 at 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
There are ways of staying cool without using AC,, all day, all the time. A good solid palapa structure with ceiling fans underneath it being the most effective.


Yes, but there are also ways to stay warm in Boston without burning heating oil. One could go out in the woods and chop wood and burn that in your fireplace. The point is, that once you try to draw in other elements into the equation, you have to give fair weight to all the relevant elements.

N'est ce pas?

tripledigitken - 10-7-2008 at 01:57 PM

Cajones,


Would you punch out some numbers for Detroit?
Mulege and Detroit are on my short list for a retirement nest.

Ken

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Cypress - 10-7-2008 at 02:06 PM

Veggies and rent are cheaper in Baja than in the USA, unless you're buying into one of those "high dollar" tourist rental deals.:P Spent last winter at a neat place in Mulege for only $450/month; no pool, no golf, just real good neighbors.:bounce:

Skipjack Joe - 10-7-2008 at 02:25 PM

Many of the items listed above are what Mexicans never buy. Not because they're expensive, but because it's not part of their tablefare.

1. 1lb Lean Hamburger - I only had a hamburger in one place and La Paz and it was overpriced and empty.
2. Loaf of White Bread - Mexicans eat those rolls (bodilla, I think they're called) and they sell for 10cents a piece.
3. 1lb Cheddar Cheese - Mexicans have there own cheese which I now find in safeway. Never had a quesadilla with cheddar.
4. 1 Pound Bacon - I don't recall bacon being added to my huevos ranchero.

All comparisons are amongst US cities and Mexico. Why would we expect to buy our products in Mexico at our prices. I would think that when you move to another country be prepared to eat native foods or pay a higher price.

comitan - 10-7-2008 at 02:34 PM

Skipjack

Nailed it on the head.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When in Mexico live as Mexicans do---live cheap.:lol::lol::lol:

Not really true see many Mexican women buying expensive things I don't feel I can afford.:bounce::bounce:

[Edited on 10-7-2008 by comitan]

Timo1 - 10-7-2008 at 02:42 PM

he he he....Today I priced out winter tires for all 3 vehicles
yep....Baja is WAY cheaper
not only tires...The furnace came on...here we go with$150-$200/month to heat
I need winter storm windows too
I can go on if you want me to

dtbushpilot - 10-7-2008 at 03:04 PM

I know, for me anyway that I spend a lot less for clothes in Baja. If I wear something other than swim trunks its shorts. Saves on long pants. Don't always wear a shirt (though most folks wish I would) when I do its a T shirt. I usually go barefoot but have several pairs of flip-flops for when I get dressed up........these long pants I'm wearing now are killing me and rubbing the hair off my legs......a few more days and they will be a distant memory for a couple of months.......Ahhhhhhh Baja.........dt

DianaT - 10-7-2008 at 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Many of the items listed above are what Mexicans never buy. Not because they're expensive, but because it's not part of their tablefare.

1. 1lb Lean Hamburger - I only had a hamburger in one place and La Paz and it was overpriced and empty.
2. Loaf of White Bread - Mexicans eat those rolls (bodilla, I think they're called) and they sell for 10cents a piece.
3. 1lb Cheddar Cheese - Mexicans have there own cheese which I now find in safeway. Never had a quesadilla with cheddar.
4. 1 Pound Bacon - I don't recall bacon being added to my huevos ranchero.

All comparisons are amongst US cities and Mexico. Why would we expect to buy our products in Mexico at our prices. I would think that when you move to another country be prepared to eat native foods or pay a higher price.


Have to disagree with you some. I believe it depends on the area. Yes, all canned items are more expensive in Bahia Asuncion, even the Mexican brands. But most of the fresh veggies, when available, are also more expensive. And

1. Our local markets sell hamburger meat---quite lean, and since there is not really an American community there, the locals must be using it.

2. Lots of the awful Bimbo white bread is sold in town. No bakery.

3. Cheddar cheese? No, but the local white cheeses are not that cheap and some stores sell chunks of packaged jack cheese.

4. They seem to sell a lot of that Tablemaid brand of bacon---the kind that disappears in the pan when cooked.

Number 2 and 4 we don't buy.

Our agent and friend from La Paz told us he was surprised to see that our town does not have a panadería, a pastelería, or a real quality ice cream store. We keep telling him he should move there and open all three. :yes:

It would also be nice to have a reliable fresh veggie stand---when the veggie truck comes to town, it is a race to the stores.

So, as with all things Baja, it is different everywhere. Oh, fish fillets are real cheap---our friends give them to us all wrapped up and fresh frozen. Easy than fishing. :lol:

Diane

Forgot---our price comparisons are between Bahia Asuncion and the San Diego area only.



[Edited on 10-7-2008 by jdtrotter]

longlegsinlapaz - 10-7-2008 at 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by Cajones
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Originally posted by Hook
I think the heating oil costs in the winter will eliminate Boston from any overall cost of living comparison.


I'm not so sure about that. In order to live in La Paz from May through October, and be as comfortable as in Boston, one has to run the airconditioning full time. La Paz avererage daytime high temperatures:
May 94
June 94
July 97
August 96
September 94
October 90

I'm so sure! Hook is right on the no A/C & you're wrong. I'm in a newly constructed casa, built with foam block. I plumbed & wired for A/C, but ended up not putting any in. I could tell even before doors & windows went in that it was MUCH cooler inside than conventional cement block construction. Even when outside temps are over 100 for weeks on end, my interior temps have never gone above 80! Don't need no stinking A/C.:lol: In two conventional cement block construction casas before current one, I've NEVER run A/C full time. Nobody I know living in the La Paz area runs A/C full time....if they have A/C!:rolleyes:

Location, location, location

Hook - 10-7-2008 at 04:55 PM

I swear, one of the things I enjoy most in Mexico, is being able to go to the source for many things. You know my penchant for the beer agencias, especially ones attached to breweries.

Anyway, today we cruised into an area of orange groves just north of Guaymas on Hwy 15. On one side was a rustic packing house with a small retail stand.

We got this bag of juice oranges, about 20-25 kilos worth, for 50 pesos. It's a little early in the season so they arent primo yet (wow, I havent used the word primo since the 60s!). Who cares if they come in a recycled onion bag from Washington.

Tomorrow, we hit the big, weekly farmer's market in Guaymas around the mercado central. We hear there is even chicken, eggs and meats direct from the farms around here that also distribute to the major supers. Also going to a fruta y verdura commercial distributor who will sell to the average Joe. Stay tuned...........

Sometimes you gotta think outside the caja..........or rather inside it, when it comes to frutas y verduras.

reduced oranges.JPG - 43kB

woody with a view - 10-7-2008 at 05:55 PM

50 pounds of oranges for less than $5?

it's an insult to the oranges!!!:lol::light::rolleyes:

ArroyoTaxi - 10-7-2008 at 08:29 PM

can you put a price on fresh, hot tortillas? something you can never get in Canada/US. it's true: eat tortillas, fish and fresh salsa when in baja. at home, eat steak and salmon.

Cajones - 10-7-2008 at 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by ArroyoTaxi
can you put a price on fresh, hot tortillas? something you can never get in Canada/US. it's true: eat tortillas, fish and fresh salsa when in baja. at home, eat steak and salmon.


You're kidding right? You must not get out much. Los Angeles is the second largest Spanish-speaking city in the world. You can get fresh hot tortillas almost everywhere in Southern California...and they are made by the same people who make them in Baja, with the same ingredients.

805gregg - 10-7-2008 at 09:17 PM

One of my roofers recently returned from mainland mex. he said, everything was expensive work boots 500 pesos, tortillas 100 pesos. Some things are alot cheaper, but no real law enforcement can get very expensive, he who has the most money for bribes wins.

Hook - 10-8-2008 at 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
50 pounds of oranges for less than $5?

it's an insult to the oranges!!!:lol::light::rolleyes:


Just got done juicing about 1/5 of the bag, Woody. Basically, a 1/2 gallon of fresh squeezed cost me about .95 cents.

Gonna pick up a couple pineapples today. Mai Tais from scratch with Bacardi light and Appleton's dark tonite!!!!!

Santiago - 10-8-2008 at 12:51 PM

Poor Hook - now that the Angles are out of it he's reduced to wandering the markets by day and planning his evening's libations - probably turning the clock ahead when his wife's not looking so 5:00 comes sooner. Don't worry buddy - time heals all wounds. Well except for 1962; some things are just too horrible to ever fully recover from.

rhintransit - 10-8-2008 at 02:16 PM

not sure where to put cost of drugs, questionable under groceries, but the upcoming topics of rent, home prices, dining out, and building products don't include it either, so throwing am throwing it out here.

for years I have bought my prescription drugs, nothing exotic, in Mexico as the prices were much cheaper (and I didn't have to bother with getting an Rx), despite some concerns that have been raised about quality (maybe by the drug companies, maybe a legitimate concern, no se). I generally use the cut rate chain such as Similares for best prices. however now they can't even come near the USA prices offered on generic drug programs through Target, Walmart and the like. for example, ERT (if you don't know what that is, you don't need it, don't worry), costs me between 112 and 180 pesos for a 30 day supply. no discount for larger quantities. there is a 25% discount every Monday that I take advantage of for the lower range.I can now get three months supply for 10 bucks in the USA. this particular drug is a gringa drug, but there are hundreds of others, antibiotics, etc, that would be common across the board.

Living in Rosarito

Gypsy Jan - 10-8-2008 at 02:35 PM

I think that food prices are cheaper. That theory goes out the window if you are looking for pre-processed packged food, i.e., lettuce in bags, frozen foods, etc.

A great deal of the produce is from the U.S., but is priced for the Mexican market - the customers don't care if the oranges, lemons, grapefruits, etc. are perfect in appearance, they only care about flavor. Certainly the Hass avocados are a great deal cheaper and much more flavorful than the U.S. versions.

The meat is generally priced cheaper, you just have to educate yourself about the differences in the way they cut it.

If the meat is prepackaged to appeal to American tastes, you pay a higher price.

The full service butchers in the supermercados (remember those days in the U.S?) will bend over backward to help you with a special request. Making friends with your grocery people goes a long way here, they remember you and your interests.

Also, buy what is in season. Don't expect good tomatoes in winter unless you are willing to pay for hothouse boxed cherry tomatoes from the U.S. in winter.

Overall, I believe we eat healthier and cheaper by using the fresh, seasonal ingredients available and ignoring the processed foods.

Hook - 10-8-2008 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Poor Hook - now that the Angles are out of it he's reduced to wandering the markets by day and planning his evening's libations - probably turning the clock ahead when his wife's not looking so 5:00 comes sooner. Don't worry buddy - time heals all wounds. Well except for 1962; some things are just too horrible to ever fully recover from.


Nothing horrible happened in 1962, unless you were a Giant's fan and can remember the line drive McCovey hit that was caught by Bobby Richardson.

You must mean 1982...........1986............or 1995. And now 2008. I thought it was a great call by Scioscia and I cant believe Aybar didnt make contact.

We dont talk about the Angels around here anymore, until pitchers and catchers report in 09. :no:

Go Rays !!!!! What a great story all year.

Anyway, back to the C of L thing. We went to the open air Wednesday vege market near the mercado central in Guaymas. Some great bargains there, some only average. Big head of cabbage was 7 pesos, kilo of perfectly ripe roma toms were 12 pesos, aguacates were 26 pesos/kilo, large pina miel was 20 pesos.

But I think the best deal I saw was the large brown eggs (we think the brown ones taste better) at 28 pesos for flats of 30 eggs. At 11/1 exchange rate, that's about 7-8 cents per egg. Too big a quantity for us, though.

[Edited on 10-8-2008 by Hook]

Martyman - 10-10-2008 at 11:26 AM

Don't forget the kilo of large camarones at the Ensenada fish market for $100 pesos!

vandenberg - 10-10-2008 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Hook


Nothing horrible happened in 1962, unless you were a Giant's fan and can remember the line drive McCovey hit that was caught by Bobby Richardson.

[Edited on 10-8-2008 by Hook]


Lived in the city at that time. They moved "Stretch" from the outfield to 1st base to save his knees. He was a hell of a hitter with one severe problem. Always knocked the ball out of the park when they were 4 runs ahead. Was "VERY" bad in the clutch. Couldn't hold a candle to Mays, whom I watched throw a ball from the center warning track to the plate on one hop. Good old days.
Sorry for the hijack. Couldn't resist.:no::biggrin:

Bernardo - 10-12-2008 at 08:01 AM

I guess you could reduce the dollar prices to match the increase in the value of the dollar - that is if Sorianos has not increased their prices to reflect the loss of the value of the peso.