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Mexican Central Bank Governor Halts Peso Collapse

Woooosh - 10-8-2008 at 03:15 PM

(Reuters) - Mexican Central Bank Governor Guillermo Ortiz (L) speaks with Mexico's Finance Minister Agustin Carstens after a news conference at the Presidential Palace in Mexico City October 8, 2008. Mexico's central bank stepped in on Wednesday to halt the peso's worst slide since the Tequila Crisis of the mid-1990s, stopping the currency from collapsing due to the world financial crisis. REUTERS/Henry Romero (MEXICO)

I guess too many of us were dumping dollars for pesos at once again.

[Edited on 10-8-2008 by Woooosh]

[Edited on 10-8-2008 by Woooosh]

Hook - 10-8-2008 at 03:21 PM

The awesome power of the Nomads board !!!!!! :yes:

woody with a view - 10-8-2008 at 03:21 PM

what's the rate now?

bajalou - 10-8-2008 at 03:28 PM

12.32 around 430p Mountain Daylight Time

Woooosh - 10-8-2008 at 03:29 PM

12.36 to the dollar at 3:30pm. The rate changes 24/7 in the world currency market.

I wonder what the "target" number is for the Mexican gov't to leave it alone? 11:1, 12:1, 10:1 ... 5:1 in their dreams!

[Edited on 10-8-2008 by Woooosh]

Hook - 10-8-2008 at 03:30 PM

Ya gotta love a country where tequila can cause a run on the currency. :lol:

10/8/08 3PM the bank.......

CasaManzana - 10-8-2008 at 03:32 PM

.......ATM in Mulege gave us $12.12 pesos/$1 USD

Hook - 10-8-2008 at 03:33 PM

Wasn't there a near tortilla crisis just a couple years back when corn went through the roof.?

Cajones - 10-8-2008 at 04:51 PM

The Mexican newspapers are advising their readers to tighten their belts and be prepared for large price increases. Everything that is imported from the US just went up 20%, that includes gasoline. Almost all the gasoline in Baja is imported from the US.

The average worker in a TJ maquiladora makes 800 pesos per week. That was about $80/week last month. Today that is $67/week, and dropping.

Woooosh - 10-8-2008 at 05:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cajones
The Mexican newspapers are advising their readers to tighten their belts and be prepared for large price increases. Everything that is imported from the US just went up 20%, that includes gasoline. Almost all the gasoline in Baja is imported from the US.

The average worker in a TJ maquiladora makes 800 pesos per week. That was about $80/week last month. Today that is $67/week, and dropping.


The Mexican gov't was intentionally raising gasoline prices before this- a little each week.

I think the price of staples is gov't regulated- so 800 pesos still buys 800 pesos worth of basic food (rice, beans, tortillas, eggs and milk). They would have only $67 worth of buying power if they shopped in the USA or bought imported goods.

13.23 to 1

Cajones - 10-9-2008 at 01:46 PM

This morning the Bank of Mexico sold $2 billion dollars to try to stabilize the peso. They sold at 12:1. As soon as they stopped selling the peso started rising again. Right now the peso is at 13.23. The demand for dollars is insatiable.

Woooosh - 10-9-2008 at 02:27 PM

The Meican government can't afford for long to prop up the Peso at $2 Billion per day.

13.501 at 2:30 pm

but why exchange at 13 when it may go to 20?

Cypress - 10-9-2008 at 02:47 PM

Is there something about this I don't understand? My Mexican friend has a hand full of Pesos that are worth less and I'm happy about it?

woody with a view - 10-9-2008 at 03:01 PM

doesn't the price of everything get adjusted daily? that would mean dollars or pesos the price is still the same, although more expensive. i mean, if you pay in dollars or pesos the seller of any goods isn't going to lose, right? except for loss of volume perhaps.

Woooosh - 10-9-2008 at 05:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Is there something about this I don't understand? My Mexican friend has a hand full of Pesos that are worth less and I'm happy about it?


Your friends pesos are only worth less if he exchanges them into a different currency. What was 100 pesos in Mexico yesterday will be 100 pesos today. The problem lies in the next step- inflation. Prices will increase (just becuase they can and peole expect them to) and then it WILL take more pesos for him to buy the same things.

You and your Mexican friend should be happy that the peso hasn't collapsed yet. That would mess with his buying power!

Think of what this has done for remittances! They were down 12% but I'll bet enough people wired money to Mexico at 12:1 or better the last few days to make up for that.

Cajones - 10-9-2008 at 06:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Think of what this has done for remittances! They were down 12% but I'll bet enough people wired money to Mexico at 12:1 or better the last few days to make up for that.


Remittances from the US are measured in US dollars. They come into Mexico as US dollars, not pesos. They are a source of foreign reserves. The change in the dollar/peso exchange rate does not change the dollar value of remittances. The devaluation of the peso against the dollar is inflationary in Mexico because Mexico imports so many of the consumer items it needs from the US.

Have you ever purchased a Mexican computer? A Mexican TV? A Mexican car? Mexican software? Even the tonterias they sell in tourist towns are mostly imported from somewhere else and paid for in dollars. The old food staple, corn tortillas, has a large US component, as Mexico is not self-sufficient in producing corn.

norte - 10-9-2008 at 06:28 PM

Cochonies. I buy Mexican beer. Does that count?

Woooosh - 10-9-2008 at 06:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cajones
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Think of what this has done for remittances! They were down 12% but I'll bet enough people wired money to Mexico at 12:1 or better the last few days to make up for that.


Remittances from the US are measured in US dollars. They come into Mexico as US dollars, not pesos. They are a source of foreign reserves. The change in the dollar/peso exchange rate does not change the dollar value of remittances. The devaluation of the peso against the dollar is inflationary in Mexico because Mexico imports so many of the consumer items it needs from the US.


I am able to wire dollars from the USA into a Dollar account in Mexico. Most people use other public wire services though, and it is my understanding that these are converted into pesos at the prevailing rate unpon arrival Not true?

Cajones - 10-9-2008 at 06:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by norte
Cochonies. I buy Mexican beer. Does that count?


Only if you have a note from you mother.

Cajones - 10-9-2008 at 06:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
I am able to wire dollars from the USA into a Dollar account in Mexico. Most people use other public wire services though, and it is my understanding that these are converted into pesos at the prevailing rate unpon arrival Not true?


Without going into detail, if dollars are earned in the US and wired to Mexico, the dollars have to migrate to Mexico. It matters not whether the person on the other end takes the money as pesos or dollars. Somebody in Mexico ends up with those dollars. Think about how your bank transfers work and you'll understand.

norte - 10-9-2008 at 06:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cajones


Have you ever purchased a Mexican computer? A Mexican TV? A Mexican car? Mexican software? Even the tonterias they sell in tourist towns are mostly imported from somewhere else and paid for in dollars. The old food staple, corn tortillas, has a large US component, as Mexico is not self-sufficient in producing corn.


"Trade with Mexico grew by 16 percent per year, from about $100 billion in 1994 to $248 billion in 2000. (Mexico became our second largest trading partner, surpassing Japan in 1999.) The growth in trade with Mexico occurred despite the decline in exports to Mexico in 1995 due to the peso crisis and the related economic recession. U.S. exports to Mexico recovered quickly after the Mexican economy began to stabilize and grow"

And to see what we import check it out http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/product/endus...

Hook - 10-9-2008 at 06:53 PM

Wooosh, tell us about this dollar account in Mexico. What kind of institution do you have it at? What charges are associated with having it?

Bruce R Leech - 10-9-2008 at 07:49 PM

Identifying a Collapsing Economy

Before you can survive a collapsing economy, you must first identify the collapsing economy. It is not always obvious, but there are a few key signs you can look for.

1. Stock prices going down.
Over the years many people have found that the economy of the United States is not only very weak, but always on the very brink of disaster. One way of determining if the economy is going down is if your favorite stock prices are going down. For example, stock prices for retail stores go up a certain amount for each customer that enters the store each day. If you see the stock price of a retail store go down, then you can be sure that they are losing customers left and right because people are buying less. If people are buying less, that means they have less money, if people have less money then that means the retail stores have less money to buy stock, less stock means even fewer customers will go to a store; eventually the stores will be unable to buy any more stock and will be forced to go out of business. The same is true for every business, oil prices go up based on the amount of oil obtained each day, gold goes up based on the amount of gold dug up, etc. etc. etc; you get the idea. If you ever see a stock going down, then that means the business is going into a death spiral that it can not escape from, and it will take the economy with it.

2. People withdrawing large amounts of money from banks.
Despite claims to the contrary, no news service has ever suggested anybody should remove their money from a failing bank. Not only does it make no sense, the FDIC will insure your money up to $100,000. Ergo, anybody taking money out of an account with less than $100,000 is fearful that the bank will fail. Banks failing are a sure sign of an economic collapse.

3. Items selling for less than what they were being sold for at an earlier time.
Not to long ago I was in an electronics store looking for a music player. As I perused the selection I took note of the price; $150 for one model, $100 for another. I decided that I did not have enough money and would need to wait. Well, 6 months later I came back and boy was I surprised! The $150 model had it's price cut to $100, a sure sign that nobody else had enough money to afford the high price. What really kicked my butt was that the $100 model was nowhere to be seen! I asked a worker what happened to it and he said the company had discontinued the music player. Right then it hit me, the company was leaking money like a sponge. Why did this occur? Because the economy was on the brink of destruction and everybody knew it. Nobody wanted to buy the music players, so the companies only hope was to sell the expensive model cheaper to get a higher profit margin.

4. You see a commercial telling you to invest in gold through a certain company.
First things first, if you see a commercial telling you to invest in gold you should do it. Gold is considered an inelastic commodity, this means there is a limited amount of gold on the planet and the price will only go down during times of large discoveries of gold. Next up, all investment companies have their finger on the pulse of the economy, and if they are telling you to buy gold, they know something bad is about to go down. Of course, they won't tell you this, they just want to keep all the money to their selves. Luckily for you there is a law requiring them to release these commercials during a time of economic upheaval. Listen to them, they know what they are talking about.


How to Survive a Collapsing Economy

Finally, we get to the meat and butter of this article, how to survive in an economy that is collapsing. Luckily for you, you do not need to wait for the economy to start collapsing to take action; if you follow the above guide you'll know when you need to act. If you follow this guide you will find that while your neighbors are starving you'll be sitting pretty on a pile of money.

1. Get all your money out of the bank.
This goes for everybody! Tell your friends, put out ads, and gets the media to start spreading the news. Once you get wind of a collapsing economy, you need to pull all of your money out of a bank as fast as possible; banks are the first thing to go and you will lose every penny if the bank fails. That brings up another fact, there is a myth that the FDIC will insure $100,000 of your money; this is false. Think about it, how can they insure $100,000 of every bodies money? They can't! The FDIC only has a fraction of the money they would need to pay off every single account in America. Do the smart thing and don't take chances, remove all of your money.

2. Put all your money into precious commodities.
Gold, oil, silver, and pig bellies. These are just a few things you should put all of your money into. Once the economy fails, money will be nothing but worthless paper. If you are able to invest in precious commodities you will be investing in very stable and and easy to predict investment. Over the years, all precious commodities have risen a very stable 1% per year; much higher than any bank account you can find. This also gives us quite a bit of insight on the future, since all precious commodities have risen in price of 1% per year, you'll know exactly how much of each you will have. Don't forget to cash out your commodities before the economy collapses, otherwise there will be no trucks to get your commodities to your house. Once the economy collapses, so will our entire transportation infrastructure.

3. Sell all stocks and bonds as quickly as possible.
When the economy is about to collapse you won't know the exact day it occurs, so if you have money in stocks and bonds you need to get rid of them as fast as possible. The only way to do this is to sell your stocks and bonds at a very low prices, most economists recommend at most 20% of the stocks value. You may think you're losing money, but really, you're saving money. Sure, you lose $500 today, but tommorow that stock could be worthless, and then you'll be sitting pretty.

4. Buy and horde as much food and other retail items as possible.
Once the economy collapses there will be no more stores, and your money won't be worth the paper it is printed on. This means you will have to buy everything you'll need before the economy collapses. Make sure you tell your neighbors to go out and buy as much as they can, you don't want them trying to break into your house and steal the last piece of bread on the block. Don't be picky when going through the store, just dump as much into your cart as possible. Even if you have to empty out every store in town, do it. While it may be expensive now, it will be a live saver in the future.

woody with a view - 10-9-2008 at 08:01 PM

too many errors to point out....WTF?

Woooosh - 10-9-2008 at 08:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Wooosh, tell us about this dollar account in Mexico. What kind of institution do you have it at? What charges are associated with having it?


BVA Bancomer. I have a US dollar checking (that accepts US dollar wire transfers) account and a Peso savings account that is linked to an ATM card. When I need pesos to pay bills I transfer dollars fromt he checking account into pesos and they go into that savaings account to recharge the ATM. I thought this is the way everyone does it.

Woooosh - 10-9-2008 at 08:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cajones
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
I am able to wire dollars from the USA into a Dollar account in Mexico. Most people use other public wire services though, and it is my understanding that these are converted into pesos at the prevailing rate unpon arrival Not true?


Without going into detail, if dollars are earned in the US and wired to Mexico, the dollars have to migrate to Mexico. It matters not whether the person on the other end takes the money as pesos or dollars. Somebody in Mexico ends up with those dollars. Think about how your bank transfers work and you'll understand.


I don't agree that it doesn't matter, because people just don't send full remittances when the exchange rate is bad. If the place they go to recieve the funds in Mexico pays them in pesos at the prevailing rate why not wait until the rate is better? I think that is why remittance were low. Not everyone has dollar accounts to wire funds into and I'll bet most Mexicans don't have bank accounts at all.

Hook - 10-9-2008 at 10:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Wooosh, tell us about this dollar account in Mexico. What kind of institution do you have it at? What charges are associated with having it?


BVA Bancomer. I have a US dollar checking (that accepts US dollar wire transfers) account and a Peso savings account that is linked to an ATM card. When I need pesos to pay bills I transfer dollars from the checking account into pesos and they go into that savings account to recharge the ATM. I thought this is the way everyone does it.


Not the way we are doing it. We have a B of A account with two checking/ATM cards in the US. We use Santander ATMs to withdraw 500.00US per day per card, when we see fit. With B of A owning a portion of Santander, there are NO fees associated with the ATM withdrawal. But we have no actual Santander account.

We have our B of A account linked to our credit union account and we perform FREE EFTs on line to replenish the B of A account when necessary. It generally takes about 24-48 hours to occur.

In this way, our cash remains in dollars until we use an ATM down here. And the bulk of our cash remains in the credit union and avoids the pitiful interest rates that B of A gives on accounts.

[Edited on 10-10-2008 by Hook]

Cajones - 10-10-2008 at 08:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by The Gull
Quote:
Originally posted by Cajones
Have you ever purchased a Mexican computer?
A Mexican TV?
A Mexican car?
Mexican software?


1. YES an IBM laptop

2. YES 97% of the TV's in the US come from TJ.

3. YES a PT Cruiser

4. Not knowingly


All foreign owned items with a Mexican labor component in them. These items are designed by foreigners, the capital and technology to develop them is from foreigners, the factories are owned by foreigners, and the title to the assets throughout the entire manufaturing process remains with foreigners. In fact, from the raw materials to the finished product, no Mexican is at risk.

So, if you own a house in Los Angeles and hire a Mexican gardener, is your house now Mexican? But the most important aspect, Gull, is if a Mexican wants to buy any of those items in Mexico, somebody has to first buy them with dollars and ship them to Mexico. Ergo, a devaluation of the peso is inflationary.

Bank of Mexico sells another $3 billion to support the peso

Cajones - 10-10-2008 at 08:13 AM

Peso is still at 13.

Exchange Rate

ViajeraGal - 10-10-2008 at 08:57 AM

Yesterday (9thOct) when we took pesos out at an ATM here in Baja Sur, our bank account has shown we received at rate of 13! The day before, our withdrawal was at the rate of 12.119.
Fortunately, we have managed not to have a Mexican bank account for the 14 yrs we have lived here fulltime, as we lost a chunk in the bank fiasco of early '80's when 'dollar' accounts were suspended...........so buena suerte to all you who are relying on your dollar accounts to remain---I HOPE SO!:?:

CaboRon - 10-10-2008 at 09:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ViajeraGal
Yesterday (9thOct) when we took pesos out at an ATM here in Baja Sur, our bank account has shown we received at rate of 13! The day before, our withdrawal was at the rate of 12.119.
Fortunately, we have managed not to have a Mexican bank account for the 14 yrs we have lived here fulltime, as we lost a chunk in the bank fiasco of early '80's when 'dollar' accounts were suspended...........so buena suerte to all you who are relying on your dollar accounts to remain---I HOPE SO!:?:


You are so right on !!!

I have never opened an account in a mexican bank and never will.

CaboRon

Bruce R Leech - 10-10-2008 at 09:14 AM

the Mexican economy is crashing hard and Mexico will never be the same as a result. this could be bad for a while but could be good in the long run. you could say the same for the USA.

Woooosh - 10-10-2008 at 04:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by morgaine7
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
BVA Bancomer. I have a US dollar checking (that accepts US dollar wire transfers) account and a Peso savings account that is linked to an ATM card. When I need pesos to pay bills I transfer dollars fromt he checking account into pesos and they go into that savaings account to recharge the ATM. I thought this is the way everyone does it.

I have the same setup, except that both my dollar and peso accounts are checking accounts. I usually wire-transfer directly into the peso account and hardly ever use the dollar account, but it's there if I need it.

Kate


I can understand how the Bank of America/Santanders connection works well for some with only the ATM.

I pay my utilities directly and automatically from my peso account though- so If a bill blows off the door- I don't end up with my electricity off and the meter gone- again. lol.

I didn't have my FM3 when I first set up my bank account during house construction- and they wouldn't give me a peso checking account at the time.

[Edited on 10-10-2008 by Woooosh]

tjBill - 10-10-2008 at 09:45 PM

I use my Bank of America ATM card to withdraw pesos from Santander Serfin for no fee.

I also use my B of A card to pay my Telnor bill. You have to go to a Telnor office once to have them "authorize" the card.

Woooosh - 10-10-2008 at 11:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tjBill
I use my Bank of America ATM card to withdraw pesos from Santander Serfin for no fee.

I also use my B of A card to pay my Telnor bill. You have to go to a Telnor office once to have them "authorize" the card.


BofA converts your TelNor peso bill to dollars and then back again to Pesos to pay Telnor- and all for free??? sign me up!

vacaenbaja - 10-10-2008 at 11:53 PM

Support the Mexican economy go to the Chicago Club, Mrs. Vickys and other
places where all SirVices are of 100% local origin. HARD Dollars only.

No Mexican Bank Account?

The Gull - 10-11-2008 at 07:13 AM

I am intrigued by the posts from Nomads living in Baja who state that they have no Mexican bank account.

How does one sustain the FM requirement of money deposited in Mexico, if one does not have a Mexican bank account?

Undocumented residence in Baja?

CaboRon - 10-11-2008 at 07:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by The Gull
I am intrigued by the posts from Nomads living in Baja who state that they have no Mexican bank account.

How does one sustain the FM requirement of money deposited in Mexico, if one does not have a Mexican bank account?

Undocumented residence in Baja?


They have never asked to see money deposited in Mexico ...

I have just shown my Pension determinations from Disney and SS and a downloaded copy of my BancomerUSA account statement.

BBVABancomerUSA is a US bank that is legally seperate from the mexican bancomer.

I am totally legal with immigration and carry an FM3 ..

I just have no trust in mexican banks.

CaboRon



[Edited on 10-11-2008 by CaboRon]

oldlady - 10-11-2008 at 07:20 AM

Not sure that is a requirement, Gull. We have used our US bank satements to fullfill the requirement and never had any issue.

The Gull - 10-11-2008 at 07:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cajones
Quote:
Originally posted by The Gull
Quote:
Originally posted by Cajones
Have you ever purchased a Mexican computer?
A Mexican TV?
A Mexican car?
Mexican software?


1. YES an IBM laptop

2. YES 97% of the TV's in the US come from TJ.

3. YES a PT Cruiser

4. Not knowingly


All foreign owned items with a Mexican labor component in them. These items are designed by foreigners, the capital and technology to develop them is from foreigners, the factories are owned by foreigners, and the title to the assets throughout the entire manufaturing process remains with foreigners. In fact, from the raw materials to the finished product, no Mexican is at risk.

So, if you own a house in Los Angeles and hire a Mexican gardener, is your house now Mexican? But the most important aspect, Gull, is if a Mexican wants to buy any of those items in Mexico, somebody has to first buy them with dollars and ship them to Mexico. Ergo, a devaluation of the peso is inflationary.


All I was doing was answering your questions. Each of those items which were purchased have an engraved or permanent notice affixed to them that states Mexico as the country of origin. It's that simple.

I made no other representations in regard to global economic dynamics. I will leave that to experts like you.

The Gull - 10-11-2008 at 07:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldlady
Not sure that is a requirement, Gull. We have used our US bank satements to fullfill the requirement and never had any issue.


Perhaps for the simplicity and utility of showing something like 12000 pesos in a Mexican CD account, I have always used that method of compliance.

ViajeraGal - 10-11-2008 at 03:39 PM

Same here as for being completely LEGAL,:yes: with FM3s; but have always just used our bank statements and proof of income from our retirement source.
Some years we used someone in La Paz to do the leg and paperwork for us and cut down on the trips there; and she claimed that she had to fight for us not to have to have a bank account........who knows?:?:

Baja-Brit - 10-11-2008 at 04:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldlady
We have used our US bank satements to fullfill the requirement and never had any issue.


Same here, I use copies of my UK bank statements which they seem happy enough with.


As you were.

It's a little early to be making projections like this

rogerj1 - 10-11-2008 at 11:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
the Mexican economy is crashing hard and Mexico will never be the same as a result. this could be bad for a while but could be good in the long run. you could say the same for the USA.


Bruce, I plan to be taking advantage of the people who are panicking, selling stocks and property at fire sale prices. The odds of a depression taking place are still long ones. Much has changed since the 30's.

Who wrote this? Horrible advice.

rogerj1 - 10-11-2008 at 11:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Identifying a Collapsing Economy

Before you can survive a collapsing economy, you must first identify the collapsing economy. It is not always obvious, but there are a few key signs you can look for.

1. Stock prices going down.
Over the years many people have found that the economy of the United States is not only very weak, but always on the very brink of disaster. One way of determining if the economy is going down is if your favorite stock prices are going down. For example, stock prices for retail stores go up a certain amount for each customer that enters the store each day. If you see the stock price of a retail store go down, then you can be sure that they are losing customers left and right because people are buying less. If people are buying less, that means they have less money, if people have less money then that means the retail stores have less money to buy stock, less stock means even fewer customers will go to a store; eventually the stores will be unable to buy any more stock and will be forced to go out of business. The same is true for every business, oil prices go up based on the amount of oil obtained each day, gold goes up based on the amount of gold dug up, etc. etc. etc; you get the idea. If you ever see a stock going down, then that means the business is going into a death spiral that it can not escape from, and it will take the economy with it.

2. People withdrawing large amounts of money from banks.
Despite claims to the contrary, no news service has ever suggested anybody should remove their money from a failing bank. Not only does it make no sense, the FDIC will insure your money up to $100,000. Ergo, anybody taking money out of an account with less than $100,000 is fearful that the bank will fail. Banks failing are a sure sign of an economic collapse.

3. Items selling for less than what they were being sold for at an earlier time.
Not to long ago I was in an electronics store looking for a music player. As I perused the selection I took note of the price; $150 for one model, $100 for another. I decided that I did not have enough money and would need to wait. Well, 6 months later I came back and boy was I surprised! The $150 model had it's price cut to $100, a sure sign that nobody else had enough money to afford the high price. What really kicked my butt was that the $100 model was nowhere to be seen! I asked a worker what happened to it and he said the company had discontinued the music player. Right then it hit me, the company was leaking money like a sponge. Why did this occur? Because the economy was on the brink of destruction and everybody knew it. Nobody wanted to buy the music players, so the companies only hope was to sell the expensive model cheaper to get a higher profit margin.

4. You see a commercial telling you to invest in gold through a certain company.
First things first, if you see a commercial telling you to invest in gold you should do it. Gold is considered an inelastic commodity, this means there is a limited amount of gold on the planet and the price will only go down during times of large discoveries of gold. Next up, all investment companies have their finger on the pulse of the economy, and if they are telling you to buy gold, they know something bad is about to go down. Of course, they won't tell you this, they just want to keep all the money to their selves. Luckily for you there is a law requiring them to release these commercials during a time of economic upheaval. Listen to them, they know what they are talking about.


How to Survive a Collapsing Economy

Finally, we get to the meat and butter of this article, how to survive in an economy that is collapsing. Luckily for you, you do not need to wait for the economy to start collapsing to take action; if you follow the above guide you'll know when you need to act. If you follow this guide you will find that while your neighbors are starving you'll be sitting pretty on a pile of money.

1. Get all your money out of the bank.
This goes for everybody! Tell your friends, put out ads, and gets the media to start spreading the news. Once you get wind of a collapsing economy, you need to pull all of your money out of a bank as fast as possible; banks are the first thing to go and you will lose every penny if the bank fails. That brings up another fact, there is a myth that the FDIC will insure $100,000 of your money; this is false. Think about it, how can they insure $100,000 of every bodies money? They can't! The FDIC only has a fraction of the money they would need to pay off every single account in America. Do the smart thing and don't take chances, remove all of your money.

2. Put all your money into precious commodities.
Gold, oil, silver, and pig bellies. These are just a few things you should put all of your money into. Once the economy fails, money will be nothing but worthless paper. If you are able to invest in precious commodities you will be investing in very stable and and easy to predict investment. Over the years, all precious commodities have risen a very stable 1% per year; much higher than any bank account you can find. This also gives us quite a bit of insight on the future, since all precious commodities have risen in price of 1% per year, you'll know exactly how much of each you will have. Don't forget to cash out your commodities before the economy collapses, otherwise there will be no trucks to get your commodities to your house. Once the economy collapses, so will our entire transportation infrastructure.

3. Sell all stocks and bonds as quickly as possible.
When the economy is about to collapse you won't know the exact day it occurs, so if you have money in stocks and bonds you need to get rid of them as fast as possible. The only way to do this is to sell your stocks and bonds at a very low prices, most economists recommend at most 20% of the stocks value. You may think you're losing money, but really, you're saving money. Sure, you lose $500 today, but tommorow that stock could be worthless, and then you'll be sitting pretty.

4. Buy and horde as much food and other retail items as possible.
Once the economy collapses there will be no more stores, and your money won't be worth the paper it is printed on. This means you will have to buy everything you'll need before the economy collapses. Make sure you tell your neighbors to go out and buy as much as they can, you don't want them trying to break into your house and steal the last piece of bread on the block. Don't be picky when going through the store, just dump as much into your cart as possible. Even if you have to empty out every store in town, do it. While it may be expensive now, it will be a live saver in the future.


The surest sign someone is about to make a big financial screwup is the phrase "This time it's different". For the most part, I think you'd do a lot better if you did the exact opposite of what this person is recommending you do. If you want to feel better, raise some cash and buy some gold but don't follow this tripe.

The Gull - 10-13-2008 at 07:30 PM

The Dow rose almost 1000 points today. I guess all that food hording on the weekend cause the upswing.