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Rainbow Gathering 11/1 to 30/2008 La Paz Location?

jaymtb - 10-10-2008 at 09:52 PM

Hi,
Does anyone know where the Rainbow Family Gathering is to be held near La Paz? They talk of a 4000 acre site around La Paz. Any guess at the number of people attending?

thanks

gnukid - 10-10-2008 at 11:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jaymtb
Hi,
Does anyone know where the Rainbow Family Gathering is to be held near La Paz? They talk of a 4000 acre site around La Paz. Any guess at the number of people attending?

thanks


Links are below. It is implied it will be in the same place as the previous Global Rainbow Gathering in La Paz which was held just North of La Paz on the San Juan de la Costa coast line on the Sea of Cotez toward Punta Coyote beach, outside of La Paz you leave the transpeninsular highway and head up on the dirt road to San Juan de Costa-I believe there is the Pemex on the edge of Centenario near this turn off.

Leaving from La Paz it took me 20-30 minutes or so to get to the turn off, the info says there will be a camp station at the last part of the road which is still cement to welcome people as they head out on the gravel, dirt and sand road. It took me a few hours to get there on the road becuase we were slowed down by all the cars of hippys getting stuck in the sand every 20 meters.

There was also a Marines Military Checkpoint where they just said hello to the hippys.

Here are links to info:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16127417116

http://hi5.com/friend/group/2516891--12120739--Intergalactic...

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.gathering.ra...

At the last one, as we drove out in a cherokee we found many people stuck in the sand and we helped dig them out and continue in a hippy leapfrog style, until our group was about 20 cars long most of whom should not have been driving out there in little low cars etc... But everyone helped the group further their progress. We arrived at the camp and there were many naked people and lots of friends. A whale came to visit and we shared ideas, peace and love. At that event I would estimate there were about 100 there on the day I arrived.

There are many people talking about the event all over the place and I imagine they will try to go, so maybe a few more people... It is remote and not intended to be organized, its' focalized!

If its inappropriate for me to post clear directions pm me and I'll delete.

[Edited on 10-11-2008 by gnukid]

CaboRon - 10-11-2008 at 06:01 AM

Thanks gnukid ....

These positive events are important for the planet...

CaboRon

Bob and Susan - 10-11-2008 at 06:06 AM

are there still "hippys" in the world:?:

i thought they all "burned out" in 1975 :lol::lol:

capt. mike - 10-11-2008 at 06:54 AM

the hell is a rainbow gathering??

CaboRon - 10-11-2008 at 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
the hell is a rainbow gathering??


If that is your attitude, you are not welcome :lol:

shari - 10-11-2008 at 07:25 AM

sounds groovy man....too bad to 2tie-dye4 didn't leave me her outfit.

Paulina - 10-11-2008 at 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
...We arrived at the camp and there were many naked people and lots of friends....
[Edited on 10-11-2008 by gnukid]



Shari,

Forget the tie dye, it doesn't sound like you'll need it. ;D

P<*)))>{

comitan - 10-11-2008 at 07:32 AM

Shari

Sounds as if you don't need the outfit.:lol::lol::lol:

shari - 10-11-2008 at 07:55 AM

certainly is my cup of earl grey (canuck favorite) tea...hate doing laundry! see ya there

ha! suits me fine

capt. mike - 10-11-2008 at 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike
the hell is a rainbow gathering??


If that is your attitude, you are not welcome :lol:


probably a bunch of nit wits anyway. not my demographic.

saw enough of that behavior in college to last a lifetime.

too much "free"...... love, dope, social services...

i hope they can save the world. but in the end who's going to pay for the "rainbow" they seek.
someone has to.
there is no free lunch. unless it comes from Barack's liberal tax and spend policies. :rolleyes:

comitan - 10-11-2008 at 01:10 PM

Mike

Well, your tank the world conservatives would not be welcome.

[Edited on 10-11-2008 by comitan]

[Edited on 10-11-2008 by comitan]

toneart - 10-11-2008 at 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
are there still "hippys" in the world:?:

i thought they all "burned out" in 1975 :lol::lol:


Don't know. I don't remember the '60s or '70s.:rolleyes:

Hook - 10-11-2008 at 01:34 PM

What's wrong with free love, Mike?

Not the married kind.............that's expensive. :lol:

mtgoat666 - 10-11-2008 at 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
Quote:
Originally posted by CaboRon
Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike
the hell is a rainbow gathering??


If that is your attitude, you are not welcome :lol:


probably a bunch of nit wits anyway. not my demographic.

saw enough of that behavior in college to last a lifetime.

too much "free"...... love, dope, social services...

i hope they can save the world. but in the end who's going to pay for the "rainbow" they seek.
someone has to.
there is no free lunch. unless it comes from Barack's liberal tax and spend policies. :rolleyes:


why is it that age and crankiness are directly related? thank god for youthful enthusiasm and optimism to counter the old crumudgeons :lol::lol:

peace out!

[Edited on 10-11-2008 by mtgoat666]

Cypress - 10-11-2008 at 02:19 PM

The Rainbow family/crowd are a colorful bunch of folks.:biggrin:Plenty of tatoos, and all sorts of body piercings. Some good didgeridoo sounds, no bras, lot's of dreads, etc. Soap, might need some? Guess they're just keeping the "Hippie" tradition alive and well.:tumble:

Bajabus - 10-11-2008 at 02:56 PM

I hear skeet is looking for a ride......LOL

looks like a good opportunity for a sunblock vendor.

Bob and Susan - 10-11-2008 at 03:23 PM

and i thought the rainbow ment something "happy"



[Edited on 10-13-2008 by Bob and Susan]

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redmesa - 10-11-2008 at 03:37 PM

Peace, love and charity and the greatest of these is charity. I would love to be there. Not enough good vibes left in the world. Time to have joyous gathering to think about the possibilities and not negativity. I'll go with you Shari.

what??

capt. mike - 10-12-2008 at 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by comitan
Mike

Well, your tank the world conservatives would not be welcome.

[Edited on 10-11-2008 by comitan]

[Edited on 10-11-2008 by comitan]

are you saying? the sentence structure makes no sense.:lol::lol::lol:

actually i'd rather go to burning man. i can fly right to the event and land on the grounds. BBP does a trip there each year. :light:

docsmom - 10-12-2008 at 10:42 AM

I lost my daughter to a rainbow gathering many years ago, one week after her high school graduation. Obviously I don't find the subject very funny. When she disappeared someone saw her trade her beads for some kind of white robe and disappeared into a group following someone who who felt he was the next coming. Please! We spent many hours tracking the group she followed and her where-abouts. And it was not the "god fearing group" they played themselves off to be. (Guns and drug arrests....) Thankfully she's back above ground now and we're re-building our relationship. She has 3 babies on her hip, no education, no work history, and lots of responsibilities. But since she's surfaced she's enrolled in nursing school and is trying to make something of herself. I'm very proud of her today but I don't take lightly the years she cost herself following the "hippy" lifestyle.
All of you hippy wanna be's should think carefully about your posts. Maybe it's fun for the adults but it's very dangerous for our kids! Please be responsible in your messages!

[Edited on 10-12-2008 by docsmom]

comitan - 10-12-2008 at 12:01 PM

:mad::fire::mad::fire::mad::fire::mad::fire:

Cypress - 10-12-2008 at 02:06 PM

I took my daughter to a Rainbow Gathering, she was determined to go one way or the other. She kept me from drifting off into Rainbow La La Land. Brought me back safe and sound.:D

Hook - 10-12-2008 at 03:01 PM

Ah, all is "right" in Nomadlandia, after the lengthy distraction of Norbert. :lol:

What's so funny 'bout peace, love and fiiiisssh taaaaaa-aacos?

[Edited on 10-12-2008 by Hook]

[Edited on 10-12-2008 by Hook]

Rainbow - La Paz

toneart - 10-12-2008 at 05:58 PM

Many people make blanket statements in judgment regarding different lifestyles or cultures. Again, many of them are not qualified to know because they have never had the experience that conjures their unfounded fear.

However.................Doc's Mom does have a basis for her fear. She lost her daughter for a critical period in her still formative years. I respect anyone's opinions based on experience. Her's is a valid opinion!

The circumstances were not made clear in her post and that is probably intentional. It is none of our business. But since she did post in reaction to The Rainbow Gathering, I would like to comment.

I am not defending The Rainbow Gathering, but I am not condemning them either. I don't believe that a "hippy gathering" is necessarily a cult. It is a culture that one can have fun in and then return to the real world; school, work, family.

Perhaps, a young person who is seeking truth from sources other than the traditional; parents, ministers, school teachers, can by chance encounter a cult leader. Often drugs can color a person's judgment, but then, drugs may not have been a factor. It is likely though.

Cult leaders are usually frauds. They don't always start out with that intention. Often they start with a belief system based around religion.

The leader usually sees himself (most are male), as righteous and good. They are always charismatic. They are very convincing and cunning. In time, they become corrupted by their own growing sense of power. They are pathological liars. This power is validated, in his mind, because he has no trouble finding impressionable followers. The leader discovers that followers will give up anything to him because they believe in him as a Spiritual leader. The cult leader eventually feels he is God or some perverted equivalent. People are all too willing to turn over material goods, sometimes wealth if they have it, and sex. This transition within the seeker occurs incrementally, until they are totally vulnerable to exploitation without reservation.

During the 1980s Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh was one such cult leader. Another famous one was The Reverand Jim Jones. We all know where he led his followers.

The stability of ones mind and a solid sense of who he/she is would determine how susceptible they are to corruption, in any environment. Chances are, most people can venture in and out of "hippy gatherings" without getting lost. A young teenager just out of high school would certainly be more vulnerable though, because they haven't fully formed their own self identities or belief systems. Sure, they think they have, but not really. There is often a struggle to rebel against parental guidance.

It is always a tough choice for parents to make: The more oppressive the parent, the more the kids rebel. The more liberal the parent, the more room for a child to get lost.

I believe that a parent must make it their business to know where their kids are, and who they are. If the parent has an open mind and good relationship with their child, the child can be trusted to explore and come back. Not always! But usually. It depends on the individual child, the parents and how loving is their relationship. If the child is unstable, the signs will be present.

There are so many choices and each person is unique; a product of their experience. Otherwise, don't judge. Your uninformed judgments hold no validity; just unqualified prejudices.

It is important to make informed decisions about a particular lifestyle. One doesn't have to physically place themselves in an alternative (even if temporary) lifestyle or gathering. You can inquire, read, talk to people who have, learn the pros and cons and then judge for yourself...and no one else, except for your child for whom you are responsible.

I am happy Doc's Mom's daughter is back on track. That reflects well on the whole family.

Peace

mtgoat666 - 10-12-2008 at 07:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
Many people make blanket statements in judgment regarding different lifestyles or cultures. Again, many of them are not qualified to know because they have never had the experience that conjures their unfounded fear.

However.................Doc's Mom does have a basis for her fear. She lost her daughter for a critical period in her still formative years. I respect anyone's opinions based on experience. Her's is a valid opinion!

The circumstances were not made clear in her post and that is probably intentional. It is none of our business. But since she did post in reaction to The Rainbow Gathering, I would like to comment.

I am not defending The Rainbow Gathering, but I am not condemning them either. I don't believe that a "hippy gathering" is necessarily a cult. It is a culture that one can have fun in and then return to the real world; school, work, family.

Perhaps, a young person who is seeking truth from sources other than the traditional; parents, ministers, school teachers, can by chance encounter a cult leader. Often drugs can color a person's judgment, but then, drugs may not have been a factor. It is likely though.

Cult leaders are usually frauds. They don't always start out with that intention. Often they start with a belief system based around religion.

The leader usually sees himself (most are male), as righteous and good. They are always charismatic. They are very convincing and cunning. In time, they become corrupted by their own growing sense of power. They are pathological liars. This power is validated, in his mind, because he has no trouble finding impressionable followers. The leader discovers that followers will give up anything to him because they believe in him as a Spiritual leader. The cult leader eventually feels he is God or some perverted equivalent. People are all too willing to turn over material goods, sometimes wealth if they have it, and sex. This transition within the seeker occurs incrementally, until they are totally vulnerable to exploitation without reservation.

During the 1980s Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh was one such cult leader. Another famous one was The Reverand Jim Jones. We all know where he led his followers.

The stability of ones mind and a solid sense of who he/she is would determine how susceptible they are to corruption, in any environment. Chances are, most people can venture in and out of "hippy gatherings" without getting lost. A young teenager just out of high school would certainly be more vulnerable though, because they haven't fully formed their own self identities or belief systems. Sure, they think they have, but not really. There is often a struggle to rebel against parental guidance.

It is always a tough choice for parents to make: The more oppressive the parent, the more the kids rebel. The more liberal the parent, the more room for a child to get lost.

I believe that a parent must make it their business to know where their kids are, and who they are. If the parent has an open mind and good relationship with their child, the child can be trusted to explore and come back. Not always! But usually. It depends on the individual child, the parents and how loving is their relationship. If the child is unstable, the signs will be present.

There are so many choices and each person is unique; a product of their experience. Otherwise, don't judge. Your uninformed judgments hold no validity; just unqualified prejudices.

It is important to make informed decisions about a particular lifestyle. One doesn't have to physically place themselves in an alternative (even if temporary) lifestyle or gathering. You can inquire, read, talk to people who have, learn the pros and cons and then judge for yourself...and no one else, except for your child for whom you are responsible.

I am happy Doc's Mom's daughter is back on track. That reflects well on the whole family.

Peace


kids are more likely to be exposed to a cult at college, but we don't discourage kids from going to college.
colleges and rainbow gatherings attract all types, and most are not cults.

p.s. all organized religion has cult-like elements,... all religions demand obeyance to an arbitrary set of laws established by people motivated by pursuit of power,...

k-rico - 10-12-2008 at 07:24 PM

Nice post toneart.



[Edited on 10-13-2008 by k-rico]

gosh darnn the pusher-man....

Cardon Man - 10-12-2008 at 09:15 PM

Easy Rider....great flick! But in my opinion it is disconnected from the "hippie" lifestyle. Neither of the heroes of Easy Rider were hippes. Though, "Capt America" was faced with the choice to stay at the commune and 'turn on' or continue the trip to New Orleans. I was always gald he did not, regardless of how it ended up. Good movie all the way around.

toneart - 10-12-2008 at 09:28 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666


kids are more likely to be exposed to a cult at college, but we don't discourage kids from going to college.
colleges and rainbow gatherings attract all types, and most are not cults.

p.s. all organized religion has cult-like elements,... all religions demand obeyance to an arbitrary set of laws established by people motivated by pursuit of power,...


mtgoat,
If I read you right you aren't disagreeing with me. You are augmenting. Right? :D:D

dao45 - 10-12-2008 at 10:30 PM

What a bummer! My son just informed me under no circumstances were 2tie die 4 and myself allowed to go to the gathering.Hmmmmm.Time to get crafty.
See some of you in La Paz:dudette::spingrin::bounce:

gnukid - 10-12-2008 at 10:50 PM

I did a google earth search and found a marker for the Gathering at

24 40'59.70"N 110 43'33.24"W

Punta Coyote, San Juan De La Costa, Baja California Sur, Mexico

It is clear that there are positive aspects to efforts to rethink our role on earth, sustainability, ecology and community for peace and there are efforts which discredit the movement.

Its interesting to consider theology and the range of spirituality, belief systems and to understand that there are always many who use spirituality for oppression and evil. Also there are efforts to miscommunicate, misdirect and co-opt good causes to divide our power.

Let anyone who chooses to, imagine that their actions can demonstrate peace, that a mind set and awareness is all that is required to create a world which is sustainable and provides food for everyone, that we can respect each other and our differences and coexist.

While we celebrate these concepts lets also discuss the requirements for ethics and responsibility in the process.

[Edited on 10-13-2008 by gnukid]

2-tie-dye-4 - 10-13-2008 at 03:58 AM

Far out, man! I'm ready to go to Rainbowstock. I wonder where some of the people, such as the "pinger" man , keep their travel documents? Guess you don't have to worry about a concealed weapon.

Peace gathering, What BS.

whalemeat - 10-13-2008 at 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
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Originally posted by Cajones
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This is nothing more than an excuse for the outer fringe of society to get high on drugs and parade around naked.
Most of the braided with beads armpit crowd are just trying to upset their parents and the authorities and have nothing to offer society except good cheap drugs and cosmic advice on all things political.
Stop trying to promote it as anything but what it is, a group of hardcore hippies with a few wannaby hippies thrown in for good measure getting high. Keep your kids away from this garbage and you will be better off in the long term.
You do not want them ending up as candle makers or musicians with no hope for the future except as professional protesters.

[Edited on 10-13-2008 by BajaNomad]

Bob and Susan - 10-13-2008 at 05:54 AM

i totally apoligize!!!:O

i need better MAGNIFINING glasses!!!

totally obvious that mr. "jones" has way too much time on his "hands" :light:
and at 1:40AM in the morning!!!

[Edited on 10-13-2008 by Bob and Susan]

David K - 10-13-2008 at 08:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
I did a google earth search and found a marker for the Gathering at

37 25.818'N, 122 05.36'W

Punta Coyote, San Juan De La Costa, Baja California Sur, Mexico

It is clear that there are positive aspects to efforts to rethink our role on earth, sustainability, ecology and community for peace and there are efforts which discredit the movement.

Its interesting to consider theology and the range of spirituality, belief systems and to understand that there are always many who use spirituality for oppression and evil. Also there are efforts to miscommunicate, misdirect and co-opt good causes to divide our power.

Let anyone who chooses to, imagine that their actions can demonstrate peace, that a mind set and awareness is all that is required to create a world which is sustainable and provides food for everyone, that we can respect each other and our differences and coexist.

While we celebrate these concepts lets also discuss the requirements for ethics and responsibility in the process.


Here is what one can find near San Juan de la Costa...

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Natalie Ann - 10-13-2008 at 08:38 AM

The spelling police have arrived.... it's 'hippie', not 'hippy'.:biggrin::dudette:

Nena

docsmom - 10-13-2008 at 08:42 AM

Cypress,
Funny how our kids are. Had Docsdad & I taken our son to a Rainbow Gathering he'd have ushered us out of there with many lectures to come!!!!
Our son is completely structured, our daughter is a free spirit.
Makes me wonder about nature vs: nurture.
:)

docsmom - 10-13-2008 at 08:54 AM

Toneart,
Thank you for your insightful post. Yes, I was intentionally vague on specifics because my daughter deserves the respect.
It's likely that most from my generation dabbled in drugs, alternative lifestyles, and behavior that made our parents crazy. The difference for my daughter was that she hooked up with a cult. Why? Who knows.
I just believe that today's hippies are more destructive than those we knew in the 60's and 70's. Todays culture isn't the same as it was then and so when you meet these throubacks it's obvious that they can't compete in today's world. (Trust me!). When you have kids and grandkids exposed to this alternative lifestyle, it's disturbing.
Those of you heading to the rainbow gathering, go have a great time!!!! And I mean that! But if you meet young folks, not yet fully formed, please send them home, back to school, back to their jobs. Encourage them to find a way to check into life, instead of out of it.
Thank you.
Kathy

dtbushpilot - 10-13-2008 at 08:54 AM

Since my lovely wife and I will be in the neighborhood maybe we will go and check it out. Please don't tell our children, they would be dissapointed....they think they raised us better than that.....dt

Martyman - 10-13-2008 at 09:14 AM

Just let bhagwans be bhagwans:biggrin::biggrin:
I tried to hitchike to a gathering in 1978 in eastern washington but was a little late and got there when they were finishing/cleaning up.
My experience was that a lot of those far leftist crowd were as shut down as the far right crowd in their tolerance of different beliefs
The rainbow crowd shunned me when they found out that I enjoy a good plate of carnitas.

Cypress - 10-13-2008 at 09:32 AM

docsmom, Kids can be our biggest heartbreak or our greatest joy. Glad your daughter made it home. And yes, there're some bad apples hanging around the edge of the rainbow crowd.
dtbushpilot, It'll be an experience.:D

standingwave - 10-13-2008 at 09:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
I did a google earth search and found a marker for the Gathering at

37 25.818'N, 122 05.36'W

Punta Coyote, San Juan De La Costa, Baja California Sur, Mexico

It is clear that there are positive aspects to efforts to rethink our role on earth, sustainability, ecology and community for peace and there are efforts which discredit the movement.

Its interesting to consider theology and the range of spirituality, belief systems and to understand that there are always many who use spirituality for oppression and evil. Also there are efforts to miscommunicate, misdirect and co-opt good causes to divide our power.

Let anyone who chooses to, imagine that their actions can demonstrate peace, that a mind set and awareness is all that is required to create a world which is sustainable and provides food for everyone, that we can respect each other and our differences and coexist.

While we celebrate these concepts lets also discuss the requirements for ethics and responsibility in the process.


plug 37 25.818'N, 122 05.36'W into Google Earth and you end up in a golf course in East Palo Alto.
:lol:
try 24°33'43.61"N, 110°45'11.43"W

gnukid - 10-13-2008 at 09:59 AM

Good to hear the diversity of ideas. Is the topic "Do we see ourselves as having common interests in our community and do we believe in critical thinking as a path to overcome destructive behavior?"

I agree with the cautionary tales and also with the optimistic ones but those both reinforce the need for individual and communal critical discourse. Maintaining your empirical thinking is the tool that protects you from divisive fear and foments constructive action.

I posted the directions for those who want to stay away and for those who wish to attend, seriously.

I also grow tired of passivity in the face of disaster, such as the crisis of looming food shortage and oppressive militaristic rule based in fear of terror.

Consider that as a starting position, regardless of age, BajaNomads are unique, independent, adventurous and resourceful. As a group we are characteristically motivated to protect our resources and not overuse, to share when possible and encourage thoughtful planning. So we are capable of teaching, learning, and discouraging wasteful destructive action regardless of the perpetrators-hippies or military globalists.

Lets us keep in mind that the history of these communal peace actions have been targeted, co-opted to pacify, distract and distort by CIA operatives, such as the documented case of Jim Jones in Guyana whose operation has been identified as MK Ultra mind control experiments funded on various occasions by the CIA.

PBS
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3625536419231928674
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIo6EUydzqc

In that same vein, drugs may be a tool of the psyops to pacifiy and reprogram would-be activists into tools.
Discovery Channel Franklin Investigation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3395321338401208062
and Black ops in hippy movements
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2444293686461089876

So you can see there is a war on for your mind, for your critical thinking ability. The enemy is among us and may be dressed as a hippy, conservative or otherwise.

While we pursue solutions to these important issues, such as a feeding the world, encouraging diversity, opportunity, resourcefulness and discover ways to reduce our impact we must use our faculties to be aware, critical, involved and action minded-not passive and not divisive, whoever you are. Be aware that there are both friends and false friends, positive and false movements.

There is an easy solution, maintain your wits and be involved as both an individual and community member. Bring on a less destructive world that you create.

gnukid - 10-13-2008 at 10:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by standingwave
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
I did a google earth search and found a marker for the Gathering at

37 25.818'N, 122 05.36'W
...


plug 37 25.818'N, 122 05.36'W into Google Earth and you end up in a golf course in East Palo Alto.
:lol:
try 24°33'43.61"N, 110°45'11.43"W


Yes it seems you are correct, try 24°33'43.61"N, 110°45'11.43"W who knows why my previous reading was incorrect? Thats what iwas reported in Google Earth. In any case use Google earth at home to see what you find, you can see it is basically in line or north of the northern end of Cerralvo island. It is about 60 miles from downtown La Paz but it could take a long time depending on your driving style.

Punta Coyote, San Juan de La Costa, Baja California Sur, Mexico

[Edited on 10-13-2008 by gnukid]

Critical discourse

Dave - 10-13-2008 at 10:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
I agree with the cautionary tales and also with the optimistic ones but those both reinforce the need for individual and communal critical discourse.


From looking at the picture of a past rainbow event I get the sense of massive critical discourse.

Heavy. :rolleyes:

gnukid - 10-13-2008 at 10:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
I agree with the cautionary tales and also with the optimistic ones but those both reinforce the need for individual and communal critical discourse.


From looking at the picture of a past rainbow event I get the sense of massive critical discourse.

Heavy. :rolleyes:


There are many movements, there is also the collective movement.

We are peaceful like-minded individuals who believe we can do better to oppose militaristic global imperialism, who oppose genetically modified organisms that reduce genetic diversity, and we believe that sharing even the most simplistic organic home farming and waste reduction techniques are valuable.

I do not know that you can learn anything at a Rainbow Gathering. I do not know that you will find anything of value, but you can give something of value, you can teach others simple techniques that Nomads know.

If you oppose hippy passivity and false idealism, this is a good chance to meet it head on and educate people about your thoughts, actions and examples. If you are concerned about cults go there and find out if there is anything like that there and confront them. Document. Go for it.

I am not a promoter of 'Rainbo Gaddering' I doubt anyone is a promoter.

Prior to the last trip there, while on my Angel Adventure where I picked up trash for a month (fun), I was confronted by Mexicans who said if I believe the things I say why am not planning to be at the Gaddering to educate. So I went with a bunch of hot babe marine biologists. I was surprised and not in a good way, few people had any plan for food or travel, few considered the risk at hand of being so far away with no food or water, I was eaten out of my camp in about a day, there were no structured classes that I found, but I got involved and we made the best of it. We began and we took turns sharing ideas, we tried to open discussion in the main camps without much success and we enjoyed ourselves and returned home-mission accomplished.

toneart - 10-13-2008 at 11:56 AM

"I do not know that you can learn anything at a Rainbow Gathering. I do not know that you will find anything of value, but you can give something of value, you can teach others simple techniques that Nomads know." --Gnukid

" We began and we took turns sharing ideas, we tried to open discussion in the main camps without much success and we enjoyed ourselves and returned home-mission accomplished. "--Gnukid

These are great reasons for attending or not attending. What a wonderful outlook. Gnukid obviously has his head screwed on clockwise. (Just so there is no misunderstanding, that's a good thing!)

Gnukid. You (and I) are guilty of misspelling the word hippie. Nena kindly pointed it out.

Docsmom. Someday it would be great to meet you, your son and your daughter. Thank you for your contributions here.

So many thoughtful expositions into our diverse Nomad souls have appeared on this string. As I said before: all are valid except for the very few accusatory and unqualified judgments. If you can bring an opposing view and present it in the spirit of objective dialog, there is room for that without flaming. Otherwise they stand as inarticulate emotional outbursts, and carry no credibility and warrant no respect.

Time has changed our culture. It always does. Wisdom comes from living life with your eyes open and maintaining a clear mind. That is not always easy. Life's circumstances can distract us from our intended path; the old cuckold, loss of love, death of a loved one and grief, loss of job, poverty, drug addiction, alcoholism, peer pressure, accidents, sickness, no health insurance, and so forth. Most of us make it through and some do not. Most of us evolve to a higher plane. Some do not. You do have to work at it and keep your goals in mind, even through adversity. Some become embittered as they age and do not evolve. That is sad and the manifestations of that is off putting and toxic, for oneself and for those within range.

Cypress - 10-13-2008 at 12:22 PM

toneart, You ever been to a Rainbow Gathering?

toneart - 10-13-2008 at 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
toneart, You ever been to a Rainbow Gathering?


No, I haven't. That is why I can't offer any judgment.

I was in San Francisco, in the Haight Ashbury, during the '60s. I had a successful business with my then wife and we owned a small Victorian house on Lyon St., one house from Haight. I also played music there. We were responsible, recreational participants and had a great time. That was a long time ago in a very different social climate.

Times have changed and I am fully aware that there are still good times to be had and also dangers lurking. I really don't know what I would encounter if I were to attend, but I am not. I am open to having a good time, but I won't be down until the end of the year. If I were in Baja at that time I might pop in for a day out of curiosity. At the end of the day I would probably retreat to a hotel room in La Paz.

My idea of fun (for myself) is a little more refined at this point in my life. I would also have my own special pillow. I have been known to carry my pillow through airports, looking very dorky.

I doubt that The Rainbow Gathering is a cult. Don't really know. I also don't think that a cult leader would be there ready to grab a kid. But that could happen anywhere. It is possible.

I think it is just a big party with drugs, booze and body paint. Hopefully no harm is done. I think the biggest danger there would be getting swept up in a police raid in a foreign country with no rights or representation.



I hope that Nomads who do attend can give us a report. :)

Cypress - 10-13-2008 at 02:10 PM

toneart, You're right about the drugs, booze, etc. The police? :biggrin: They're outnumbered about 300 to 1. And what're they gonna do, give drug tests 300/ hr. Shoot into the crowd? For the most part, the Rainbow folks are OK people.:biggrin:

Not to worry............

Sharksbaja - 10-13-2008 at 03:58 PM

old hippies don't do crank. :lol:

I wonder why this subject is so deserving of such an in-depth study? Sounds to me like a desperate attempt at going back in the past in order to fix our future.

So a little nostalgia, some soft drugs, some yak yak. I really don't see or get the feeling of anything very scary here nor have I seen a noticeable change attributed to this event. Afterall, these are global attractions.



Don't misread me, I like to see evidence of an underground mindset geared to protecting and managing Mother Earth. Unfortunately, as wise, profound and committed these people may be, much of their goodwill and energy stays right there and probably does not go home with them.

Conversely, if their message and mission does strike a environmental chord or yank at someones conscience then I would see benefit for all. Getting the benefits of so many well-intentioned folks could surely bear well if put to everyday useage.
I think that would be of enormous consequence. Will this event impart that message enough to actually change a persons lifrestyle or daily behavior? That's the million dollar question. Otherwise it becomes moot and just another gig.


They may coalesce for brief periods but it seems silly and ludicrous to think an event like this would or could convert or even appeal to most young people. I think they look and laugh for the most part.

Once the party ends, they will all go back to reality. Hopefully with a better understanding of how to lessen the stress of humans on this planet..



[Edited on 10-13-2008 by Sharksbaja]

gnukid - 10-13-2008 at 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
old hippies don't do crank. :lol:
... Will this event impart that message enough to actually change a persons lifrestyle or daily behavior? That's the million dollar question. Otherwise it becomes moot and just another gig.


They may coalesce for brief periods but it seems silly and ludicrous to think an event like this would or could convert or even appeal to most young people. I think they look and laugh for the most part.

Once the party ends, they will all go back to reality. Hopefully with a better understanding of how to lessen the stress of humans on this planet..



[Edited on 10-13-2008 by Sharksbaja]


When you choose how to spend your day (or your life) you choose daily gigs to fill your time. Whatever path we choose these daily "gigs" and daily conversations are who we are. So, to suggest that dialogue on a given day has little appeal to youth or seniors, of little lasting consequence, or is irrelevant is to dismiss the fabric of our communities. We are a continuous ever-appealing dialogue.

Now, having begun this dialogue about Rainvo Gadderin, we are in action raising conscience through the event whether you attend on site or not. This communication reverberates to far reaches and across ages.

Now lets consider the value of martial law on US citizens, an election suspended, voting machines that incorrectly report results? Do you believe these are inconsequential ideas as well and therefore a silly "gig" we should ignore, while we stay home is dialogue in our collective community of value?

Sharksbaja - 10-13-2008 at 05:42 PM

I guess my point is that I'd like see more tangible and utilized ideas and practices that the core of these people promote.

Looking at this from the perspective of a teenager though, it would certainly would seem grandiose in it's own right. Myself jaded perhaps, but never too old to learn.

While I'm sure most the folks there are there for purely good reasons I reckon there is an element with other agendas. ie; ecobadactivist et al. I have no problems at all with the event per se.

It also doesn't mean that I don't think some good stuff goes on there though either. I'm all for many of the things they support. But yeah, I think they could have better "appeal". They need a good agent!



Again, my point really was that all this energy with all these events over so many decades hasn't garnered more public attention partcularly in the U.S. . At least a full page awarness ad in the Times!;) I guess Cap Mike summed it up, who the hell is Rainvo Gaderin?";):lol:

dao45 - 10-13-2008 at 08:59 PM

wow! drugs and nudity! I just liked the drums, music and pretty colors

Marie-Rose - 11-6-2008 at 09:35 PM

Has anyone checked the gathering out???? We are really thinking of being adventurous and driving that way next week. ( going camping at aqua verde:bounce:)

fishingmako - 11-7-2008 at 08:22 PM

I heard the following would be playing.
STRAWBERRY ALARM CLOCK
MOBY GRAPE
COUNTRY JOE AND THE FISH
FAIRPORT CONVENTION
TRAFFIC
ITS A BEAUTIFUL DAY
PETER FRAMPTON

If you know these names then you were a true 60s person, everyone knows the STONES, DYLAN, etc.etc. this is just a communal event of people who think they are HIPPIES to be a true HIPPIE you had to live.

Rainbow Warriors

CaboRon - 11-9-2008 at 06:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utBkbJIYMy8


CaboRon