BajaNomad - Bus from San Diego to mulege

Bus from San Diego to mulege

motoged - 10-26-2008 at 02:40 PM

Nomads,
A friend wants to visit Mulege over Xmas/New Years. Flights from LAX to Loreto are rather expensive.

I have researched Google to death and have the basic San Diego-Tijuana connection info....and it seems ABC bus line is the key player for Baja.

What other bus lines operate and what basic other info can anyone provide?

She will likely be traveling just after Christmas (Dec 27th or so....and will be returning in about 7-10 days)

Thanks for any experienced info :saint:

Don Alley - 10-26-2008 at 03:30 PM

I've taken the bus from Tijuana (and before that, San Diego) to Loreto.

I don't remember if it was ABC or Aguila, or if it makes any difference as they both operate from the same terminals have the same stops.

The bus I took was full, so you may want to research buying tickets or making reservations early.

There is a current thread about two buses colliding; they often operate them in a too fast and reckless manner so your friend may want to consider that.

Price was about 900 pesos, similar to whet the new low-cost airlines charge TJ to La Paz. Seats were comfortable, and they showed cheesy movies, some in English, like The Dukes of Hazard, so I would recommend an iPod. :biggrin:

backninedan - 10-26-2008 at 04:22 PM

Aguila has wider more comfortable seats and is the same price as ABC. Tell your friend to take a blanket, they keep the buses cold enough to hang meat.

shari - 10-26-2008 at 05:08 PM

We take the bus alot...around this time the buses will be very full. It's easier to take the night bus and sort of sleep and get to Mulege in the morning unless you want to see the scenery...then you have to leave early in the morning from the TJ bus terminal. Too bad your visitor couldnt score a ride with a Nomad...more fun.

Take the plane or you

Bajajack - 10-26-2008 at 08:26 PM

will regret the trip, that is unless you enjoy sitting in the middle of 50 peasants competing with each other on who can pass the most gas during the trip. :lol:

Mango - 10-26-2008 at 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by Bajajack
will regret the trip, that is unless you enjoy sitting in the middle of 50 peasants competing with each other on who can pass the most gas during the trip. :lol:

Unless you want to hang out with people like Bajajack.. I suggest buying a ticket on a "Primero" or first class bus. Even if you wind up on a second class bus; remember, at least Mexico is full of first class people.

Second class is ok for shorter trips and can be real fun. But tends to stop more often and is less comfortable. There is no better way to get to know Mexico than to travel like the locals (first or second class) instead of in some fancy air conditioned SUV.

All buses are usually very full during the holidays.. (Cristmas/New Years/Easter) so try to buy the ticket in advance if you can.. I know https://www.ticketbus.com.mx works on the mainland to buy in advance; but, you will have to resort to other methods for Baja. (Since I don't think ticketbus sells tickets for Baja) Maybe a Nomad in TJ could get them for you?

Prepare to put your main bag under the bus and have a small daypack up with your seat. Bring a warm sweater for the A/C, some snacks, a book, and ipod.

Riding a bus can be a great time.. just don't grab a seat in the back few rows.. otherwise the bathroom will begin to smell after a while. I prefer a seat in the middle on the passenger side. You can usually pick your seat at time of purchase. The modern buses in Mexico are very comfortable and make Greyhound look like 3rd class.

I've had some great times riding a bus and have met some great people. Unlike what some may "think". In reality - bankers, grandmothers, businessmen, and "normal" people ride the bus in Mexico.

Well Mango, sounds like

Bajajack - 10-26-2008 at 10:23 PM

you enjoy gettin down & dirty on the ole buses, quite the expert on where to sit even.

Problem is most Americans that can afford to go to baja wouldn't
agree.

Mango - 10-27-2008 at 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by Bajajack
you enjoy gettin down & dirty on the ole buses, quite the expert on where to sit even.

Problem is most Americans that can afford to go to baja wouldn't
agree.

I really don't care if you agree or not. I do care if you call average Mexican's gas passing "peasants".

Someone asked for advice and you gave slander. I'm not trying to give advice to "most Americans." I'm trying to give advice to someone who is not afraid to interact with Mexican culture, may be open to the option of traveling by bus, and had inquired about it.

Yes, I do know quite a bit about Mexican buses. The first time I went to Mexico I traveled for a month on $700. I've traveled to about every state and every major city in Mexico by bus over a period many years. So, I feel fairly qualified to give advice regarding travel via bus.

I'm sorry if you don't agree.. but someone asked for advice.. not slander or nonsensical opinion.

backninedan - 10-27-2008 at 06:46 AM

Ignore the racists that think of Mexicans as peasants. Your friend will enjoy the bus trip and save a lot of cash. Just follow some of the tips given here by experienced bus travlers and enjoy.

pacificobob - 10-27-2008 at 07:52 AM

peasants????? whats wrong with your culture that you feel there is something "wrong "with being a peasant?

Natalie Ann - 10-27-2008 at 08:03 AM

My most common mode of transportation in Baja over the last 10 years is the bus. I am unaware of a 'first class bus' versus a regular one... perhaps this is something available on the mainland?

Yep, the bus is cold - the blanket idea is not a bad one for the long haul, and the movies leave something to be desired unless you really love cartoons or World War II vampire flicks.

The advice is correct regarding don't plan to use the bus bathroom. 'nuff said on that topic.

My experience has been that the seats are comfy - far roomier than those on U.S. commercial airline flights unless we're talking first class. I have a disability which makes long-term sitting uncomfortable and I feel much better after 1/2 day on the bus than a couple of hours on a plane.

Far as Mexican farts... I find they smell about the same as American farts. Haven't yet done a study country by country. :lol:

But I do have a pretty good smeller and I find the smell factor about the same as on a U.S. commercial plane flight.

Tell your friend to go for it, Ged. It's a good adventure and relaxing way to travel. And tell 'em to open the window shades, plan to enjoy the view - you get a really wonderful view with those high wide windows.

Nena

Don Alley - 10-27-2008 at 08:17 AM

I noticed, sitting in the depot in Tijuana watching dozens of buses come and go, that a few were a bit run-down looking. Those were the Greyhound buses from the US. :biggrin:

I think anyone expecting some kind of third world adventure on the Baja buses would be disappointed. Just a modern, comfortable bus with pretty regular Mexican folks, not one of which had a live goat or chicken with them. :lol:

My one big complaint it that they often drive too fast, as I've posted elsewhere.

Recent Horizon/Alaska flights to Loreto have often cost just over $400 one way. If that trend in prices continues, I'll be taking the bus again.

The Bus

Pompano - 10-27-2008 at 08:19 AM

Back in September I took the ABC bus from Mulege to Tijuana.

It was scheduled to leave at 6:30 and I only had to wait until 7:30 for it to show up. (I figured I saved lots of dinero by missing an hour at Jungle Jims cantina.)

I was assigned a seat next to a window, which I liked. There are 2 seats side by side.. Cushy seats much like an airliner...reclining with armrests too. Per advice from those had gone before me, I had brought my own down pillow and fleece blanket. (The AC works very well...brrrr)

I took my seat with the seat next to me stayed empty for some time.

The bus began it's journey north...and the 2 nice Mexican ladies directly behind me talked of things of the day. Nice idle chatter of nothing and everything.

The coach was about half full to start, but quickly filled as we drove north. Remember, this was September in Baja and it was hotter than the Gates of Hell...yet the AC was so cold I was elated I had my warm fleece blanket and pillow with me.

We made the regular stops at Sta. Rosalia..dropping off a few, picking up more...and roared off up the Baja Road. The driver was very skillful and there was no quick braking or swaying in the turns.

We rolled on..the senoras behind me talking about one of the son's and his new wife...at least from what I overheard...but then it MAY have been a daughter and the lazy hombre who talked her into marriage.

The whole trip from Mulege to Tijuana was going to take 16 hours and it cost me $1100 pesos. I was traveling fairly light and only had my laptop w/case and one small bag...plus my pillow and bedroll.

I am tall..about 6'2" ...and sport a 'couple' extra pounds... and had stretched out onto the adjoining empty seat a bit to accommodate my frame. It was quite comfy. Until the next stop when a youngish senorita came aboard, walked down the aisle looking at her stub and the numbers above the seat pairs. She had the aisle seat next to me. I hastily moved my laptop elsewhere and motioned her to sit, which she did.

The bus rumbled on into the night...it was now about 11 pm. One of the movies we had already watched was Daffy Duck destroys Godzilla and The Giant Moth..I think. A classic for sure. The senorita next to me had now pulled most of my warm fleece blanket over her...leaving me shivering into my pillow. The ladies behind were now discussing something about relatives in Guaymas.

I somehow managed to ram some metal seat lever into my rectum as I was squirming to ease my old back injury. That made me jolt back against the young lady next to me, who awoke thinking most likely that the Old Gringo was groping her. This got everyone's attention on the bus away from the Dracula movie and onto me...sigh. I managed to allay the senorita's fears and offered her my soft down pillow to go with the warm fleece blanket.

The ladies behind were now talking about me.

The bus stops at the El Rosario bus stop and cafe in the middle of the night...quite a few people get off to have a snack or coffee. Looks very dark out there. Might even be some night fog. Not hungry or thirsty, I stayed put..as did the bundled-up sleeping senorita and the 2 ladies behind me. At least the talk had moved from me back to thier family issues.

We get underway after the 20 minute stop and then I realize I should have taken the bus stop's restroom opportunity. Ah, but this bus has a bathroom! But..shoot.. I had to wake the young lady to get past her. The blanket was firmly wrapped around her and she had a little problem getting free to let me by. The bus was now rocketing along at a pretty good clip, now taking some sharp turns, and I had to grab the overhead lockers to make my way aft...that's the rear, you know.

I knew I was getting closer to the bathroom because of the increasing smells wafting out of the blackness..whew. There were some green looking people sitting back there, and I thought.."These poor people are being punished for some reason. Why else would they be assigned seats next to this stinkpot?"

I open the door and squeeze inside..holding my breath...and somehow manage to shut the door behind me...had to slam it shut to make it latch. I had turned on the light, but quickly turned it off again...not a pretty sight, I can assure you. Luckily my business was to be done standing.

The bus was now really taking some sharp turns and the motion made me brace myself with both arms and hands outstretched to the narrow walls of the black dungeon..bathroom. Even braced as I was, I still got jostled a bit from side to side and then flung forward when the bus braked. I am fairly sure I had been making contact into the toilet and not the sink. I tried to listen to water sounds, but the ladies talking back in the coach interferred with my hearing ability, which is not good to start with in these noisy quarters.

I finished my business, zipping up, and turned to grasp the door latch...which was stuck.... and refused to open. Carumba! Now what the hell? I pushed and pulled and pounded, but nada..stuck..stuck in a stinking toilet and we're going to crash and I will be dead and covered with
..and then the door opens, thanks to a kind senor who I must have woke up with the pounding.

I weave my way back to the warmly-covered sleeping senorita who looks to be drooling into my pillow. The ladies are now talking about me again.Some other passengers are glaring at the ladies in a not-so-friendly way.

The night drags on as we slowly come off the mountains and race towards San Quentin, then make more fast miles towards Ensenada...almost dawn now. A brief stop, then on the tollroad towards Tijuana. Ladies go back to talking family..I feel like I know them all by now. Other busfolks nearby are not too happy with the gossipers.

We pull into the Tijuana bus terminal...about 16 hours after leaving Mulege..and me without a minute of sleep. Nor did the 2 ladies behind sleep. They were still talking. As the bus stopped and everything shut down, it got a little more quiet inside the bus..the lull just before everyone stands up and starts collecting baggage from the overheads and below the seats.

I stood up..turned around and faced the 2 ladies who were still chattering away. (I had learned a bit of slang some years back from my housekeeper, Carmen, who has a terrific sense of humor.) So standing facing the senoras, I made yapping motions with both hands..forefinger tapping thumb..and said with a grin, "Weedy, weedy, weedy." That brought laughs and clapping from the other passengers. The ladies were laughing a bit, too.

Carmen had told me that it meant ...'what people do when they gossip a lot.'

Ah..buses. Did I ever tell you about the time when my bus rolled and I was taken off the relief bus at gunpoint ...oh, I did?

Pompano your story says

Bajajack - 10-27-2008 at 08:39 AM

it all. If you can stand riding a long distance in a stinky bus full of peasants, then go for it.

I suppose low standards are OK as long as you're in mexico. :rolleyes:

Pompano - 10-27-2008 at 08:50 AM

bajajack...huh? Your reading skills and compression of irony leave a lot to be desired if that is what you got out of my bus travel account. Now go pull some insect's wings off.

motoged - 10-27-2008 at 09:41 AM

Pompano,
:lol:

What a great story !!!!

Blackjack,
YOU are the only fart smelling up this bus...why don't you get off (or is that what you are doing)?

I have traveled by all sorts of buses in Mexico and Central America
and consider them to be great sources of transportation, learning, and sometimes adventure. The A/C thing is sometimes welcomed, but is only a problem on the newer buses.

And YES, their newer buses make US and Canadian buses an embarrassment...

My friend is a hardy soul who regularly sails the coastal waters of BC by herself, has traveled in all sorts of conditions, and is not faint of heart. The idea of a ride with a Nomad occurred to me and I might still put that out here once her travel dates are confirmed (I am sure she would pay for the gas).

Thanks for the replies, folks.

Ged

If you're broke

Bajajack - 10-27-2008 at 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by motoged
Pompano,
:lol:

and riding the bus is all you can afford it's OK by me. :lol:

mtgoat666 - 10-27-2008 at 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajajack
it all. If you can stand riding a long distance in a stinky bus full of peasants, then go for it.

I suppose low standards are OK as long as you're in mexico. :rolleyes:

Bajajack,
Your elitist additude is silly -- if you ever rode a bus in Mexico, you would find all types of people on board.

You are probably a Joe Sixpack, the republican party version of a gringo xenophobic peasant alcoholic. Or are you going to tell us you are a Joe Champagne alcoholic?
BTW, I am Joe Wino :lol:

Bajajack

tripledigitken - 10-27-2008 at 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajajack
and riding the bus is all you can afford it's OK by me. :lol:

Many NOB residents leave vehicles at their homes in Baja and the bus provides a convienent means to get back to the US, or vice verse. Often it is not about money.

Your attitude is obviously all about money.

Have a nice day.

Ken

Being an elitist does

Bajajack - 10-27-2008 at 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666

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have it's advantages, such as not riding in a stinky bus full of peasants.

:lol:

motoged - 10-27-2008 at 12:48 PM

Nomads,
Careful not to get into a battle of wits with "BJ" (a good moniker for him :lol:

:lol

as it isn't fair to fight an unarmed individual...

Ged

capt. mike - 10-27-2008 at 12:48 PM

i had to take the bus from Hermosillo to Nogales in 1986 when my Mooney blew a jug on a Flying Sams trip and we had to force land and left it for a month on repairs until i could hitch a plane ride south to fetch it.

it was 6 hours of pure hell.
they didn't have the nice ABC busses on that route back then.
i should have taken the train but that option required an extra nite in town, and not knowing the bus ride was GOING to be agonizing i went for the cheaper bus ticket and a same day departure. BIG MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i had prior experience with the train from Nogo to Mazatlan in 1974 - which was a blast if you got the cheap sleeper car upgrade suites which we did.

never again i hope. It wasn't about the people - it was about the time,. number of stops and they filled it to SRO class not just for the amount of seats available. No chickens like in South America, and the people didn't smell but they were crammed in like sardines, more than the total of seats.

those not seated stood for hours or until their stop came up like in the middle of no where and off they'd walk into the desert.......un real..

i don't care who you are - bus rides suck generally if you can do an alternative. next time if the train is an option i'll take it.

Pardon me

Bajajack - 10-27-2008 at 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by motoged
Nomads,
Careful not to get into a battle of wits with "BJ" (a good moniker for him :lol:

:lol

as it isn't fair to fight an unarmed individual...

Ged

i didn't realize you were from canada, you should fit right in on any mexican bus.

BajaGringo - 10-27-2008 at 01:10 PM

I have had the opportunity to travel by train and bus across many different parts of this planet including Mexico. Air travel is an obvious advantage for long distances and little time. Some of my favorite trips have been on trains and buses and my advice would be to bring a couple of books, an ipod and a small pillow. Make the effort to get to know some of your fellow passengers onboard and you will have a great time. I can't recall a single bad experience traveling with any locals, whatever be their economic position or education. However I can recall a few flights with loud mouthed marooons who everybody onboard wanted to kick off the plane with no parachute.

Kind of reminds me of a particular poster in this thread...

:biggrin:

Words of wisdom

Bajajack - 10-27-2008 at 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo
I have had the opportunity to travel by train and bus across many different parts of this planet including Mexico. Air travel is an obvious advantage for long distances and little time. Some of my favorite trips have been on trains and buses and my advice would be to bring a couple of books, an ipod and a small pillow. Make the effort to get to know some of your fellow passengers onboard and you will have a great time. I can't recall a single bad experience traveling with any locals, whatever be their economic position or education. However I can recall a few flights with loud mouthed marooons who everybody onboard wanted to kick off the plane with no parachute.

Kind of reminds me of a particular poster in this thread...

:biggrin:

from someone living in the slums of rosarito. :lol:

BajaGringo - 10-27-2008 at 01:18 PM

I'll take this "slum" living over a trailer in the middle of the Arizona desert. Finally get that swamp cooler working? Any word on indoor plumbing soon???

:lol:

No trailers in Scottsdale

Bajajack - 10-27-2008 at 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo
I'll take this "slum" living over a trailer in the middle of the Arizona desert. Finally get that swamp cooler working? Any word on indoor plumbing soon???

:lol:

in your stupor you must have me confused with your neighbors.

Yessir

Bajajack - 10-27-2008 at 01:38 PM

you are a real class act!

vandenberg - 10-27-2008 at 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by Bajajack
you are a real class act!

Doubt that you would recognize one if it bit you in the a*s.

As for memorable bus trips: I recall one, many moons ago, where , on a excursion trip from La Paz to Cabo, we had an apprentice driver, who was only allowed to drive on the out of town stretches. Coming back into La Paz, the "teaching" driver took over "on the fly". The apprentice kept his foot on the gas, raised up, while the other guy slid under him, took over the gas, while the other left the seat, ( all this, while doing 70 mph ) and we never missed a beat. At least 40 people on that bus, most applauded. :biggrin:

Teguila anyone. :?:

And to get an idea how long ago this was:
Roundtrip bus La Paz-Cabo, with breakfast in El Triunfo, lunch in Cabo, and boat trip to the arch and Lovers beach for $11.00. :no:

[Edited on 10-28-2008 by vandenberg]

bajaguy - 10-27-2008 at 05:18 PM

Speaking of busses and bus drivers................

Cocaine Seized on Passenger Bus in Sonora – 21 October 2008

In Agua Prieta, Sonora, Federal Police stopped a passenger bus from the Federal Public Transportation Service and seized:
• 10 packages of cocaine weighing a total of 10 kilos, 200 grams
• 30 packages of marijuana weighing a total of 8 kilos

The bus came from Mexico City and was destined for Tijuana, Baja California. Police arrested the drivers:
• Manuel Sanchez Fernandez, 40, from the Distrito Federal
• Jose Manuel Ortiz Chacon, 49, from the Distrito Federal

Spanish Source: http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/548868.html

Mango - 10-27-2008 at 07:40 PM

Pompano, great story. It reminds me of several of my bus trips. Each one always seems to work out to become a unique adventure in some way or another.

Capt. Mike, Unfortunately almost all of the commercial train lines in Mexico are no longer running. My favorite line ran from Puebla to Oaxaca, passenger service stopped around 10 years ago and the line was later abandoned in 2004. The Copper Canyon route is still active and a great trip.

Long distance buses have improved their services a great deal in Mexico over the last 30+ years. This also directly relates decline in train travel.

A few more words of advice that Pompano's story jogged from my memory.

- If the bus does not originate at your location, you will be catching it "del paso" (in passing). They are often late. This is not such a big deal on the main routes.. but on obscure routes where there may be only one bus a day (or week) the waits can be much longer.

-The buses will stop at most major stations for at least 5 minutes to on/off-load passengers and luggage. Often times the wait will be 15 minutes.. or even 30 minutes if the bus driver likes the restaurant there. Usually, you will be ok just to "follow the crowd"; but, I recommend telling the bus driver or another passenger that you will be right back. If the bus starts to leave without someone.. yell, "Falta uno!" and the driver will stop. Usually they announce how long each stop will be if they will stay longer than a few minutes. Carry pesos/change to buy tacos, get into clean pay bathrooms at the bus stations (which are much cleaner (2 pesos usually))

- Carry TP in your daypack just incase.. and take your daypack with you when getting off to get food, use the restroom, etc..

- I like to break my trips into no more than 6 - 8 hour chunks if I can help it. This may mean spending a night in a little town; but, will be a welcomed break. The main advantage of this is if you get some snot nosed kid sitting behind you that kicks the seat and whines incessantly because his mother never paid attention to him.. you can get off and try again. Or you could just try to ask Bajajack nicely to stop kicking the seat.. but some people are just lost causes.

Mango - 10-27-2008 at 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajaguy
Speaking of busses and bus drivers................

Cocaine Seized on Passenger Bus in Sonora – 21 October 2008

In Agua Prieta, Sonora, Federal Police stopped a passenger bus from the Federal Public Transportation Service and seized:
• 10 packages of cocaine weighing a total of 10 kilos, 200 grams
• 30 packages of marijuana weighing a total of 8 kilos

The bus came from Mexico City and was destined for Tijuana, Baja California. Police arrested the drivers:
• Manuel Sanchez Fernandez, 40, from the Distrito Federal
• Jose Manuel Ortiz Chacon, 49, from the Distrito Federal

Spanish Source: http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/548868.html

Buses are regularly searched when headed northbound. This can be a hassle on a night bus to be roused from your sleep by a Federale. I have seen them search with cordless screwdrivers and search behind body and roof panels.

It's all part of the fun. I was on one local bus in the mountains once when some guy got on wearing a bandanna on his face like a bandit. I thought it was pretty funny when the bus was stopped at an army checkpoint and they found a small amount of Marijuana in his boot. I guess the disuse didn't work. :lol:

wilderone - 10-28-2008 at 09:15 AM

Every Mexico bus trip I've been on has been a great time. Longest was from TJ to Merida. When I got to DF and was waiting to buy a ticket for my next leg, a guy from Hertz came up to me and asked if I wanted to ride with him to Villahermosa - he was returning a rental car there and was taking passengers. I said ok. It was a big convertible and we rode witht the top down. In the car were 2 school kids, me and my two kids who were about 8 and 9 at the time. We stopped for pineapple going through the pineapple plantations (sold on the side of the road - cut and trimmed with a machete - 5 cents - best, juiciest pineapple I've ever had. Then we stopped for dinner at a place in the jungle overlooking a lake - the driver paid for the meal. He drove very fast on the dirt roads and when I looked back at the kids, they confirmed he drove like a crazy guy!! We got to Villaheromsa around midnight, and the driver took us the bus station and helped get us on the right bus to Merida. He explained that we needed to get off at some town and switch buses, but when the time came - at 3:00 a.m., I was just too sleepy and didn't get off. We ended up at Chetumal at 6:00 a.m., where I got on another bus to Merida. Once there, I rented a VW for the week. On the way back home - bus from Merida to TJ, the bus stopped at a place for a meal where many buses made the stop as well. There were long BBQ grills for chicken, tables and chairs - all outside, a festive atmosphere. A plate with chicken, beans and tortillas was about $1.50. I've had many memorable good times on Mexican bus trips. I may take that TJ to Merida trip again some time.

Skipjack Joe - 10-28-2008 at 10:16 PM

That was a fine account, for sure. I can see that although much has improved over the years in terms of speed and comfort the problem of unpleasant bathroom experiences still exist.

I have always liked local transportation. It's probably the very best way to become acquainted with a country and it's people.

One of the most memorable was a train ride my young wife took from Mexico City to Merida. She told me that the bathrooms became filthy within the first hour of the ride. Once they reached that state nobody would use them. Instead, the passengers would go to the connections of the train cars and relieve themselves right on the tracks from a moving train. She said that that was why you often found human waste along the line. This was in the late 70's. Strange as it may seem she wasn't particularly put off by all this and accepted it as an experience to remember. Can you imagine? You're sitting enjoying a coke at some tienda when a train comes with a passenger mooning you.

As far as peasants are concerned, I don't doubt that this sort of thing happened in our country when the railroads lines were established to the west. People just make do with what they've got.

Pompano - 10-29-2008 at 06:18 AM

Igor, that train story is pretty much true where I grew up, too.

As described in this old song-ditty...

"Please refrain from going to the bathroom...
..while the train is in the staaation.

If the train's not moving, Why should youuuuu...?"