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MexicoGringoGuy - 10-27-2008 at 07:26 PM

Not sure if anyone else has notices that it seems the officers at the border are getting more and more rude, and prison guard like (I used to be a prison guard so i can say that).. There are a few that really treat people with utter disrespect.. I have theen the same older Asian guy screaming at people for "having an attitude".. and it seems the officers are asking more and more questions .. Today after producing my US Passport, the lady asled me what my nationalitity was.. where I have been, where I am going.. why.. why I was in Mexico.. How long I was in Mexico... What am I bringing... .. I felt like I was a suspect or something..

A thought crossed my mind that maybe they are doing this tpo make people want to apply for anf get the senrty card.. for reasons of money and also another way for Big Brother to get more info on its taxpayers..??

Hopefully when Obama gets electeted, this Gestapo like attitude at the border will lighten up... I mean I know they have a hard job to do, and I appriciate the job they do.. BUT I think thier power keeps getting stronger and stronger.. Is there no end??

Sorry just my rants and raves

The Gull - 10-27-2008 at 07:31 PM

Is this a political forum? Turning it into one?

The guys at Otay on the SENTRI and non-SENTRI booths have been very polite over the last month or so.

Having a pleasant 'tude w/o a chip on one's shoulder does help.

movinguy - 10-27-2008 at 08:20 PM

You will find that there is no such thing as a "standard" line of questioning. I believe they are encouraged to use their own judgement as the situation dictates - whether that's a good thing I'm not sure.

I cross 2-3 times a week (SENTRI), usually late at night - for the most part I am waved through with little or no dialogue. :cool:

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-27-2008 at 08:36 PM

NO not political.. JUST adding my opinion about why things are the way they are...

I dont go in with a chip or tude.. It sjust I am an American Citizen trying to get into my country... I should not be treated suspect... I don't have a sentry.. and I am NOT talking about crossing with Sentry.. so those that have commented its not valid because its different.. you ususally do just get passed.. thats the whole point of sentry... BUT I should not have to have a sentry... to come back into my country with dignity and respect..

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greybaby - 10-27-2008 at 08:46 PM

Please don't allow this to turn into a political forum. I for one (along with probably many others) am sick to death of all the ads and look to this board for a little break in all of the nonsense (I have already voted so I really don't need any more persuading).

We crossed every couple of weeks when we were living in Ensenada and every time was a different experience. Some friendly, some all business, but only one time was an agent downright rude to us. He started yelling at me for being on my cell phone. I called the following day and I was "invited" to file a complaint. I figure their job is hard enough without one more hassle from a US citizen who is grateful they are checking each car that comes back into this country. It is a privilege, not a right, to live here. Their job is to protect our borders. And I truly believe we should support them.

lizard lips - 10-27-2008 at 08:56 PM

Never had a problem except with the Philippine officers. They always seem to have a chip..

Ken Cooke - 10-27-2008 at 09:26 PM

I know what you are talking about with the line of questions. Once I produce my passport, then the questions become more pointed. What were you doing in Mexico? Who do you know there? Why have you been to Colombia 4X in 1 year? Etc. Etc. Etc. I don't associate w/trouble, but they try and accuse you just for traveling different places. It gets old. No, I don't need to spend extra $$ on a Sentry. Crossing the border should be free.

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-27-2008 at 09:41 PM

Just making a point and to deny the fact that crossing the border is effected by the current president is silly.. We all know that things are they way they are because of who is there..

Im sorry you feel that you don't have a right as an American citizen to live in your country, BUT as a Person Born in the US, and someone who, although doesnt utilize it.. Is on the Cherokee Indian Roles... I have EVERY RIGHT to live in the US.. and to come and go... thats why I paid taxes.. why my parent etc etc paid taxes.. to give me that, amoung other rights.. Like I said, I know they have a job to do, and I agree that it needs to be done... BUT this is America, the land of the Free.. (or have they changed it already)??

All I am saying is as an american citizen, producing an American Passport, I should not be hassled.. I am not carrying anything buy a small sachel that basicly only carries my passport, so I am not possibly smuggling anything.. .. Its really none of the governemnts business where I go, and why I do it.. I am Free...

And Yes, the Philiipine ones I have noticed are mean (not all of them.. but in general)

Ken Cooke - 10-27-2008 at 09:46 PM

I doubt much will change until the drug problem eases and everyone gets a cushy job in Northern Mexico. But until then, expect to be hassled at the border.

I just accept this as a fact of life. If I want to visit Latin America, I will get hassled upon return. Weighing my options, I still prefer going south of the border than remaining the Alta California, when it comes to vacation time. Camping here in the US on the beach just isn't the same.

bajabound2005 - 10-27-2008 at 09:50 PM

We cross about once a month via the SENTRI lane and the only question we get is "are you bringing back anything?".

geobas - 10-27-2008 at 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I still prefer going south of the border than remaining the Alta California, when it comes to vacation time. Camping here in the US on the beach just isn't the same.

You're absolutely right, Ken. Here in California you can legally have your gun with you at your campsite. It's in the law, a campsite is the same as your residence.

gnukid - 10-27-2008 at 10:02 PM

I have found they might try, but they have little luck hassling you if you don't let them bug you.

I think as a general rule we can assume they are conditioned to not understand why we would want to go to Mexico for fun or for long periods of time, so they are likely to be suspicious or prejudiced against non-hispanics who cross for fun.

No matter what, just keep your responses formal, direct and polite and do not engage their aggressions and they will quickly become tired of your positive vibe. Besides they can really do nothing but let you pass or take your fresh oranges you forget to eat.

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-27-2008 at 10:21 PM

I got into it about a month ago with a really rude one that wanted to know where I was going and I made a mistake of asking WHY, , I told him I was going to my country why do you need to know where? Well that got me into secondary, and finally I got a superivosr who was a snotty little prick that told me that he and his agents had about 3 times the power of SD police, and me and my belongings belonged to him untill I was cleared to enter the US.. He was amazingly rude, BUT he knew he could be.. there is No repurusion, and he knows it.. you can comlain till the cows come home, but nothing is going to change if things stay the same.. He actually said things Llike "well i know in the Liberal college that you flunlked out of they may have thought different", and to that I proudly responded, that Vanderbilt Univeristy is a Southern Ivy league conservative college, and I Graduated with honors.... He smerked, and I pulle dout my pocket diploma, and he said i needed to leave... (he shut up)

Anyway... Just frustrated... Because Although I agree with gnukid.. one should not engage them, and I agree that they are programed to be suspicious, because why would anyone want to go the mexico.. But its a matter of principal.. Public Servents are no longer servants.. they are Rulers!!!

Ken Cooke - 10-27-2008 at 10:47 PM

All you can do is just deal with the questioning or stop leaving the country.

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-27-2008 at 10:49 PM

I agree with you that complaining ,and making your voice heard helps in most cases... BUT in the matter of Dept. of Homeland Security.. I have to say .. in this currdct atmosphere, it seems pointless to complain..
I have in the past brought in Legislators... Mayors, and even the TV News in situations... I am a loud mouth, and am known fo it.. I guess, because of the way things are I feel it would be a waste of time... Maybe wrong... But just the way it seems right now...

So anyway, people seem to like things very organized here on this board, and are probably having a cow that we are having this conversation.. SO I will drop it..

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-27-2008 at 11:01 PM

not you... I meant others will start complaining...

tjBill - 10-27-2008 at 11:01 PM

I hate dealing with CBP agents :fire:

Most of them are tough but professional...but still they cause me to break out in a cold sweat. And I have crossed over 500 times.

I have traveled a lot. Other countries have nice customers/immigration officers.

[Edited on 10-28-2008 by tjBill]

HCR - 10-28-2008 at 04:25 AM

My impression over the years is that I often arrived at the border tired from a long drive and impatient after waiting in a traffic line for a long time. My point is that my attitude often was in need of adjustment and I was more than ready to be disagreeable with anyone who treated me with suspicion when I was merely returning to my own country.

Russ - 10-28-2008 at 05:54 AM

I've had to cross 6 or 7 times this year and I am one of the fortunate ones. I say good afternoon to them and usually get at least a smirk before they ask a few questions and and send me away. I use to get a really bad attitude waiting in the line but some how now I just except it as part of the drive. I think they must see an attitude after thousands of faces every day they're probably pretty good at it. If I had to cross on a regular basis even the "nice" ones would anger me. They have a lousy job and my belief is that lousy jobs generally get lousy employees. And then you give them power and you get.... a boarder crossing guard with an attitude.
I don't think this is a political issue. Those who cross infrequently should now what to expect and maybe they too can adjust their attitude while crossing.

mtgoat666 - 10-28-2008 at 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy
Not sure if anyone else has notices that it seems the officers at the border are getting more and more rude,

Law enforcement attracts a certain type of person that sees the world in B&W and is more atuned to law & order than civil rights,... and the job of booth attendant is really sh*tty, dealing with frustrated people who have waited in line a long time, sucking on exhaust and noise all day long,... I'm surprised they last more than a few months on the job.

p.s. don't mouth off to the immigration guys, they can flag your passport and you'll get hassled for the next 30 years

Barry A. - 10-28-2008 at 06:39 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy
Not sure if anyone else has notices that it seems the officers at the border are getting more and more rude,

Mt. Goat---------very well said, and you show great wisdom.

Barry

Iflyfish - 10-28-2008 at 06:54 AM

In my experience you catch more bears with honey. Being a border guard must be like working at the DMV, lots of people to interact with on a daily basis, one filled with boring routine and often angry people. They are supposed to be the first line of defense of the border and so are supposed to flush out people who are not supposed to be entering the country or who are trafficing in illegal contraband. Their job is to sniff s... Now that is not a fun job. It is no wonder to me that they can become hardened and surly. They also wield an immense amount of power and if provoked can make life miserable. I have been treated with both great respect and horribly at the Mexican Border. Some of those folks are not the kids who sat in the front of the class, waving their hands and yelling "I know teacher", "choose me!", enough said.

They are also trained to challenge you and to look for subtle clues that you might not be telling them the truth. Emotional turmoil on your face can trigger even more suspicion, challenge and entanglement. Try to avoid entanglement. Same with Mexican cops, ignore them, don't look at them, don't get on their radar.

I appreciate the frustration, you are not making this up. In m view it ain't worth the hasstle to try and change these folks. Think happy thoughts and empathize with what a crappy job they have, this attitude can help change your vibes, which they may be responding to.

Iflishwhennotsmilingwithfriendlyeyesatthesurleyborderguard

Oso - 10-28-2008 at 07:31 AM

Just a small technical point regarding the title of this thread; The people in blue uniforms at the booths are not Border Patrol, they are Customs Agents. The guys in olive drab or cammies driving the white trucks with green stripes are the BP. They usually don't man the booths, they drive around the desert, you know...patrolling the border. Usually the only time I interact with them is at checkpoints or during dove season. I've never had a problem with them. With Customs, it's a crapshoot.

INS is a different matter. Since it is now FOUR MONTHS since we applied to renew my wife's green card, I finally got frustrated enough to contact my Congressman's office. His local assistant told me that renewals at INS were "backed up" and they were now processing applications from JULY, 2006!
Incredifreakinunbelievable! That is incompetence of a magnitude beyond comprehension. Thankfully there is a go around. We just have to renew her Mexican passport, then go to Phoenix for a special stamp if we want to cross the border within the next year or so... :fire:

1000lbBlue - 10-28-2008 at 08:03 AM

The last time we crossed we turned the van off and put her in neutral pushing her almost to the checkpoint. We were asked why we did that and we said to preserve gas. He said awesome, checked our passports and cooler and we were let go. I have also been brought into secondary for some furniture we brought back and they were completely reasonable. I thought it was interesting to see them inspecting certain cars like they should be. They even let me keep my six bottles of Tequila.

The fact is we need these guys. It is scary the kind of crap people can bring into this country from/via Mexico. I have always been completely convicted of this. Of all the times I have crossed I have gotten nice guys and pricks alike but they always treat me reasonably as I see them trying to stop the bad guys. They are the god guys, the one trying to keep the crap out of this country.

You got that right

Dave - 10-28-2008 at 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by 1000lbBlue
They are the god guys

Just ask 'em. :rolleyes:

David K - 10-28-2008 at 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by 1000lbBlue
The last time we crossed we turned the van off and put her in neutral pushing her almost to the checkpoint. We were asked why we did that and we said to preserve gas. He said awesome, checked our passports and cooler and we were let go. I have also been brought into secondary for some furniture we brought back and they were completely reasonable. I thought it was interesting to see them inspecting certain cars like they should be. They even let me keep my six bottles of Tequila.

The fact is we need these guys. It is scary the kind of crap people can bring into this country from/via Mexico. I have always been completely convicted of this. Of all the times I have crossed I have gotten nice guys and pricks alike but they always treat me reasonably as I see them trying to stop the bad guys. They are the god guys, the one trying to keep the crap out of this country.

AMEN!

The simple fact most seem to forget is that we have not been attacked in the 7 years since 9-11-01, thanks to the stepped up security! Freedom means nothing without a country to practice it in!

Also, when a government confiscates the rewards of your work to "spread it around" to others who did not earn their own rewards... well, the results should be obvious.

lizard lips - 10-28-2008 at 08:43 AM

I helped move a friend of mine back to San Diego through the San Yisidro entry several years ago and had my brother in laws segunda truck piled high with all of his furniture and clothes. It was PACKED HIGH. The officer looked at me and walked around the truck and let us go.

Couldn't believe it. I thought we were going to have to remove everything or at the very least have the dog take a smell but he waved us through........ Didn't even ask for ID!

Go figure.........

David K - 10-28-2008 at 08:48 AM

It's all about your attitude!

Dave - 10-28-2008 at 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by David K
The simple fact most seem to forget is that we have not been attacked in the 7 years since 9-11-01, thanks to the stepped up security!

So... What was it that prevented an attack for the prior seven years, 2-26-93 to 9-11-01?

Stepped down security? :rolleyes:

David K - 10-28-2008 at 09:22 AM

Don't forget the USS Cole... the president we had then did nothing to counter the deaths of our men... shame, shame. That inaction emboldened the terrorists...

When Libya got c-cky in the 80's, supported the murder of the people on that Pan Am over Scotland, a strong president took action and Mr. Qadaffi behaved himself ever since.

A strong U.S. and a strong Israel are the best tools to keep the peace from Islamic terrorists.

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-28-2008 at 09:32 AM

Not even I will respond to this... Too extreme for me... I think we are seeing the newest FOX news contributor!!

Embolding terrorists

Dave - 10-28-2008 at 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Don't forget the USS Cole... the president we had then did nothing to counter the deaths of our men... shame, shame. That inaction emboldened the terrorists...

And don't forget the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut. The president we had then did something. He turned tail and ran. Then sold missiles to the country who planned and funded the attack.

What was his name again? I forget. :rolleyes:

vandy - 10-28-2008 at 09:56 AM

Back to the subject matter, fools!

I live down in Baja mostly now, and the last four times I've crossed into the US I've been sent to secondary.

The inevitable question is "Why did you get sent here?"

A simple shrug, my passport inspected, a dog run around my car and I'm gone in less than 5 minutes.

The question from the guy in the first booth was "How long have you been in Mexico?"

To which I have to count months....

ELINVESTIG8R - 10-28-2008 at 11:01 AM

When I crossed the border this time coming from El Rosario I was the third car from the inspection booth. I am sitting there fat dumb and happy after a 1-1/2 hour wait when all of a sudden several customs officers swarmed a van at the booth to my left and extracted a man and a woman from the van at gunpoint. When I pulled up to the booth I heard the customs agent at the booth to my left yell out to the inspector at my booth "Thanks a lot now we will be working late" or words to that effect. The man smiled looked at my birth certificate and ID and waved me through. I guess my inspector spotted something the other person did not spot.

dao45 - 10-28-2008 at 11:51 AM

and regardless what agencys badge he is carrying

toneart - 10-28-2008 at 12:08 PM

This is a very fine line you are all treading here when it comes to whether to label the string "political". It IS political by its very nature, but it takes restraint to keep the extraneous BS out of your posts. (David K.)

Conversely ,David and others have wisely stated that "attitude" is important. In most encounters, anywhere in the world, keeping it pleasant is a generally good policy to practice. It doesn't always work because you are dealing with human beings. Each is subject to whatever kind of day they are having, their own attitudes, and maybe they just don't like somebody that looks like you. So, your attitude, which is really the only thing you can control in any situation, is the best tool you have in order to get through the border with a minimum of hassle.

We have different ideas when it comes to politics. Politics really do matter. What we have to consider when it comes to border politics is the balance between national security and the personal freedoms of our civil rights.

These Customs agents really do wield a lot of power. They can key something into a computer just to screw you up for years, just because they don't like your attitude. Your crossings will be a total pain in the a** from then on. For their part, some are bored and jaded. You may just "make their day".

Back to the political, we are grateful that they are, for the most part, keeping us safe and preventing bad things and people from getting into the United States.

The thought in the back of our mind is the projection of what could happen in the future if brute abuse becomes the norm. History has shown how that can manifest. It does matter who is in power at the top. I don't think we are there yet, but the fear is that we could be apprehended for something we have written or said, and rendered to an undisclosed location, never to be heard from again. That "something"could be something a good American may have said that criticizes our government, which so far we have the right to do.

Someone here stated that living in The United States is a privilege and not a right. That is absolutely wrong! As an American citizen, living in the United States (under the protection of the U.S. Constitution and under the rule of law) is most definitely a right! ...and it is also a privilege.

As we reenter our own country we should be treated with respect and dignity. The reality is that we have experienced and come to expect occasional rude treatment by individual Customs or Homeland Security agents, even though our attitudes are positive. This can never be allow to be the norm. We cannot allow our rights to be diminished incrementally until we find ourselves behind an iron door that we can not reopen.

In conclusion: be secure in your knowledge that you are doing nothing wrong. Maintain a good attitude, even if you are mad. Show them respect (maybe a little Uncle Tomming, if you will).That shifts the "bad day" they are already having back on their shoulders and relieves you from having to share it. You have every right to feel welcomed back into your own country.

I can remember (but not lately) border agents saying, "Welcome home" :!:

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-28-2008 at 01:02 PM

Thats a good point.. Years ago I remember being told that, although NOT at the MExican Border.. now instead of Welcome, they act like they are doing you a favor to allow you in...

bajaguy - 10-28-2008 at 01:08 PM

David K has a friend who is a CBP Agent/PIO guy, Vince something or other...........might be interesting to share this thread with him and get his input????

Barry A. - 10-28-2008 at 01:38 PM

Living in Coronado for 30 years, I crossed the border probably about 10 times a month. Then I lived in El Centro for 13 more years and crossed the border again about 10 times a month. I have NEVER been mistreated by the agents at the border, but I have been pulled into secondary many, many times. So??? big deal!!! They are just doing their job.

Like driving a car, living in the USA is a "priviledge", not a right, in my book. Our "rights" are enumerated in the Constitution, and it is a stretch to claim that just living here is a "right", IMO.

Barry

ps It was a huge mistake sending our soldiers into Lebanon in the first place (like McCain said)------but we did learn something the hard way. But that lesson did not stick--------how unusual. :rolleyes:

The "lesson" is, like Gen. Colin Powell says, "use overwhelming force", or don't do it at all".

Cypress - 10-28-2008 at 01:53 PM

Those Border Patrol guys have a job to do just like anybody else. Been questioned by 'em a time or two. Questions like, "Have you ever been in prison?", "Do you smoke pot?". :?:

Negative to both questions. Was I glad to be allowed to continue my journey? You bet! :tumble:

Wingnut - 10-28-2008 at 02:41 PM

I was reading this thread with a lot of interest. It seems that some of you out there seem to be bothered by the Customs Agents doing their jobs and consider it rude to be asked questions. Now I am sure there are agents who might be having a bad day now and again, but think about what their job is. Do you really think people who are trying to enter illeagally or bringing back something they shouldn't are going to just walk up and announce their intentions? Of course not, so the agents are trained to ask questions of people and to read attitudes and body language. It's really interesting to see how much this seems to bother people, and I wonder why? I just answer the questions and have never been hassled or anything. And before you think I have never been pulled into secondary or anything, let me tell you I have plenty of times. Was even body searched once on a mistaken identity issue. It happens. I never get upset unless I am accused of something I haven't done and then I patiently and firmly state my position and why they are wrong. Even on the situation where they thought I was someone else, it just took time to resolve and they finally admitted they made a mistake and apologized. So do I resent it? No. They were doing their job and because I was not upset about it, they have always treated me politely and respectfully. Toneart is right, it's all about your attitude, not theirs.

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-28-2008 at 02:57 PM

Well... I and others have said that we know there is a job to do and appriciate it.. and never said that they arent human, and have bad days... BUT as a public servent they should treat people with respect... If I have an attitude, thats ok.. theres no law against it.. what if I had a bad day.. whats diffrent about me having a bad day and them just because they are government employees they should be special.. NO.. they decided when they took that job to be public servents and to work being paid with taxpayer money and serve taxpayers.. If thier job is so hard to where they have bad days and are in bad moods.. well there is NOTHING forcing them to work for CBP... Its a choice...

The Director of Homeland Security is trying to build up the agents to a certain level by the end of the year... its one of the goals alonng with finishing the fence.. BUT since the fence wont bedone he is really working hard to hire anyone and everyone that will bite.. So its kinda like when they hired all the Airport security , and even military.. they lessen and loosen the requirments and prerequisits... and hire anyone, even people with records as long as its not certain things etc etc..

Just because someone chose to be a CBP agent doesnt mean they are godly and deserve anything diffrent than anyone else.. I am doing nothing wrong crossing the border , and if I have a bad day, and they dont like it , go work elsewhere...

Debra - 10-28-2008 at 03:05 PM

A few crossings back the agent noticed in my Passport where I was from and launched into a 15 min. bull session. Seems he was stationed in Bremerton while in the Navy. He wanted to know about all the watering holes and people he used to visit in Port Orchard.

I couldn't help wondering what the people behind me would be thinking if they knew what the delay was all about!

Oh, and he was Phillipino

[Edited on 10-28-2008 by Debra]

KurtG - 10-28-2008 at 03:24 PM

In nearly 35 years of crossing the border several times a year I have only had a couple of negative experiences and even those were not that bad. Sunday we came through Tecate on our way home from Mulege and were asked more questions than usual by the Customs guy in the booth but not in any aggresive manner. He started taking some notes and I knew that I was going to Secondary for only the second time in all those years. In Secondary we were asked a few more questions, the official took our passports inside and then came back and sent us on our way. No inspection of the vehicle or contents. Both Customs agents were professional and pleasant about the whole thing.

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-28-2008 at 03:34 PM

You know,,, it seems that San Ysidro is the worste. I have entered via a few Texas Crossings in the past and entered at several Internationl Arrivals in Various airports.. and I never thought this way untill crossing at San YSidro about 2 to 3 times a week. and by the way I cross on foot so maybe its diffrent.. maybe the commander there isnt a people person... who knows...

All in all I knw they have a heck of a job and try and stop things from coming in (although our borders are still very poures!!) Still no need to make an OBVIOUS American citizen feel suspect..

cabobaja - 10-28-2008 at 03:51 PM

Left Elias Calles Sunday morning. Arrived at the Tecate border gate yesterday at
4:00pm. The agent on duty swiped my passport and told me to have a nice day. Did not even ask me if I had anything to declare. The highway was fine. Weather was great. 10 hours driving on Sunday. 10 hours driving yesterday. Arrived home in Oceanside at 5:30. Wait @ Tecate...10 minutes!

toneart - 10-28-2008 at 04:05 PM

It seems that generally, we all agree, in that we haven't experienced any really bad experiences when crossing the border. There is the occasional inconvenience getting sent to secondary, or the occasional rude agent. I agree with MexicoGringoGuy that public servants should be agreeable, but this is not a perfect world. Sometimes they are not agreeable, and though it is unpleasant, we always get through it eventually.

Because I tow a passenger trailer, I often get sent to secondary. At least I think that is why. They want to take the time to check it out where you aren't holding up the line.

Last year at Tecate, I was in the wrong (of two) lanes when I made that turn. A female agent was yelling at me but it was too late. I was already committed to the lane I was in. By the way, I was in the right lane. A Nomad once said here that you should be in the right lane with a trailer. Well she continued yelling and asked me if my dog had papers. I said yes, but she wrote up a form and put it on my windshield and sent me to secondary. The agent in secondary was very nice. He did a quick search as I told him my experience at the booth with the yelling lady. He just gave a knowing smile, without comment, and then sent me on my way.

No big deal!

:no:

toneart - 10-28-2008 at 04:14 PM

Upon rereading my post above, I was aghast when I thought I had written "the occasional nude agent". Well my eyes are tired. I did write "the occasional rude agent", as intended. Whew!

Now an occasional nude agent would really be an unpleasant experience no tired, returning American should have to endure.

Barry A. - 10-28-2008 at 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by toneart
Upon rereading my post above, I was aghast when I thought I had written "the occasional nude agent". Well my eyes are tired. I did write "the occasional rude agent", as intended. Whew!

Now an occasional nude agent would really be an unpleasant experience no tired, returning American should have to endure.

Well, hmmmmmm----in this day of more and more women agents, I wonder????

David K - 10-28-2008 at 05:08 PM

You do know that I only bring up politics to balance out an already made political statement made before mine... Please try and see that before being ticked at me. Fair and balanced... isn't that what is important?

Oh, and Dave... the Beirut thing was terrible and a mistake and I know that RR suffered great pain and sadness over it.

fishbuck - 10-29-2008 at 11:05 PM

Ya, all you have to do is say " Hey Pig, why are you hassleing me? I am an american citizen and I have civil rights!
I'm sick of the man harshing my buzz all the time. I demand to see your supervisor immediately!!!"
I promise Gringoguy they will give you VIP treatment if you try it.

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-29-2008 at 11:50 PM

yeah.. i think I will NOT do that...

bombero - 10-30-2008 at 06:47 AM

Gringoguy, post a complaint but take your political comments to the proper forum. Your complaint is one thing but your continued comments are politically motivated. You appear to be "insider informed" about Homeland Security that you will be welcomed at the Political Forum and if I am ever in need of some BS or humor I,ll know where to find it. I have news for you too! Many of the criminals that cross our border carry American Passports.

Cypress - 10-30-2008 at 07:25 AM

Crossed back and forth yesterday, in an out of Canada. No wait, no problems. :biggrin:

motoged - 10-30-2008 at 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Crossed back and forth yesterday, in an out of Canada. No wait, no problems. :biggrin:

Cypress,
"BC Norte" ...a fairly mellow place most often

Ged

CaboRon - 10-30-2008 at 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wingnut
I was reading this thread with a lot of interest. It seems that some of you out there seem to be bothered by the Customs Agents doing their jobs and consider it rude to be asked questions. Now I am sure there are agents who might be having a bad day now and again, but think about what their job is. Do you really think people who are trying to enter illeagally or bringing back something they shouldn't are going to just walk up and announce their intentions? Of course not, so the agents are trained to ask questions of people and to read attitudes and body language. It's really interesting to see how much this seems to bother people, and I wonder why? I just answer the questions and have never been hassled or anything. And before you think I have never been pulled into secondary or anything, let me tell you I have plenty of times. Was even body searched once on a mistaken identity issue. It happens. I never get upset unless I am accused of something I haven't done and then I patiently and firmly state my position and why they are wrong. Even on the situation where they thought I was someone else, it just took time to resolve and they finally admitted they made a mistake and apologized. So do I resent it? No. They were doing their job and because I was not upset about it, they have always treated me politely and respectfully. Toneart is right, it's all about your attitude, not theirs.

I couldn't agree more ...

CaboRon

bajalera - 10-30-2008 at 09:36 AM

How come nobody has mentioned that stereotyping is still alive and well. What you look like can be way more important then your attitude, when it comes to returning from Mexico..

I once worked with a woman whose husband, an M.D., had Sicilian parents, and he looked a lot like pictures of Pancho Villa. They regularly got a full bevy of questions at the border, and also at road checks north of San Diego.

If you want a speedier crossing, be a blue-eyes blonde.

wilderone - 10-30-2008 at 09:58 AM

Yeah - "stereotyping" or "profiling" - of course it's considered - part of the training. Single moms with kids sail through too.

The Gull - 10-30-2008 at 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy
I got into it about a month ago with a really rude one that wanted to know where I was going and I made a mistake of asking WHY, , I told him I was going to my country why do you need to know where? Well that got me into secondary, and finally I got a superivosr who was a snotty little prick that told me that he and his agents had about 3 times the power of SD police, and me and my belongings belonged to him untill I was cleared to enter the US.. He was amazingly rude, BUT he knew he could be.. there is No repurusion, and he knows it.. you can comlain till the cows come home, but nothing is going to change if things stay the same.. He actually said things Llike "well i know in the Liberal college that you flunlked out of they may have thought different", and to that I proudly responded, that Vanderbilt Univeristy is a Southern Ivy league conservative college, and I Graduated with honors.... He smerked, and I pulle dout my pocket diploma, and he said i needed to leave... (he shut up)

Anyway... Just frustrated... Because Although I agree with gnukid.. one should not engage them, and I agree that they are programed to be suspicious, because why would anyone want to go the mexico.. But its a matter of principal.. Public Servents are no longer servants.. they are Rulers!!!

Your hostility toward the Establishment should be directed to Vanderbilt University who faked your diploma when they asserted that they educated you. Nice mastery of spelling and clear writing style.

We might need a poll...how many Nomads run around with a pocket diploma. Is that like the Popeil Pocket Fisherman?

Escuse ma as I smerk. :lol:

CaboRon - 10-30-2008 at 06:35 PM

"Pocket Diploma"??

What a joke, I have never seen or heard of such a thing.

Is the Vanderbilt referred to a mail order diploma mill ??

CaboRon

Bajajack - 10-30-2008 at 07:01 PM

Photoshop is a wonderfull little program. :lol:

People are so rude on this forum!!!!

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-30-2008 at 09:03 PM

OK.. First of all I didn't know anyone here was a border agent or customs agent.. so I am sorry for personally offending you.. I mean that is the only reason why a healthy, normal , sober , decent good person would attack another person.. right?? If you don't agree with my politics, thats ok.. thats what America is about.. BUT don't attack me and be negative...
If you that went to college and received a diploma, when you went to pay for graduation, and all the stuff, if you didnt have an option to get a little laminated diploma to put in your wallet then Im sorry, but its not as unheard of as you make it sound.. I did not take major in writing or spelling, and i did not know that every college graduate left school with perfect spelling, and writing.. I guess I missed that... and I think my doctor missed that to from looking at the scrips he trys to write!

Do not attack me just because we disagree.. There is no reason.. If you like things the way they are then you, as I can, vote.. BUT I never intended to offend or attack anyone personally, and if I did, I am truly sorry because I come here for other reason then to try and hurt people , and also to get attacked...

I have been told to take my politics elsewhere, well, take your negative, and mean comments elsewhere.. Please and be nice to people... Please...
There are diffrent people in this world that think diferent than others.. THAT"S OK!! NOT all of us are old drunks!

[Edited on 10-31-2008 by MexicoGringoGuy]

[Edited on 10-31-2008 by MexicoGringoGuy]

You are right MGG

Bajajack - 10-30-2008 at 09:20 PM

There is just too many personal attacks on this board and I'll admit I chimed in just because? and I do apologize.

Feel free to post anything you want.

BTW, I'm not a mean old drunk, just mean! :lol:

fishbuck - 10-30-2008 at 09:35 PM

Man, MGG your harshing my buzz! I demand to speak to your supervisor immediately! :cool:

The Gull - 10-31-2008 at 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy

Do not attack me just because we disagree.. There is no reason..

I have been told to take my politics elsewhere, well, take your negative, and mean comments elsewhere. NOT all of us are old drunks!

Quite right MGG, where you might choose to be a mean old drunk, I am not. You have not been attacked, but you certainly give off a certain air about you with that chip on your shoulder and well-maintained persecution complex.

Since you want people to know that you vote, here is a another civics lesson - people in America can voice their opinion. Others have written just that in opposition to your views and your postings got more intense and much harder to believe.

Do not miss the chance to do the right thing this time by NOT sleeping through this class, you have not been attacked - you are seeing people voice their opinion in opposition to what you write.

Got it? It's the 'tude, dude. Stow it or blow it.

[Edited on 10-31-2008 by The Gull]

fdt - 10-31-2008 at 06:47 AM

Does this mean we are at odds? :lol:

The Gull - 10-31-2008 at 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fdt
Does this mean we are at odds? :lol:

It may mean most of us are odds.

toneart - 10-31-2008 at 10:53 AM

Just odd!

toneart - 10-31-2008 at 10:55 AM

Gull,
Didn't May West say something about a "pocket diploma"?

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-31-2008 at 11:28 AM

Its amazing the way you think.. I may have a chip on my shoulder, but I am not just plain mean.. and Gull.. if one would go and read all your post.. They, the majority of them are negative.. ridiculous.. mean, or stupid...

fdt.. yes I would say it means we ARE at odds.. Shall I say why to this wonderfull board???

having a different opinion does not require personal jabs.. and by you people not seeing them as personal jabs, makes it even worse, because you don't even realize how mean you are!! (or how drunk)

I was at the duty free (in SD) the other day with my friend who was buying a carton of ciggerettes.. and I noticed a Gringo buying 3 bottles of Jim Beam.. and IMMEDIATLY this forum came to mind.. I just wondered which one of you it was!!!!

The Gull - 10-31-2008 at 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy
I was at the duty free (in SD) the other day with my friend who was buying a carton of ciggerettes.. and I noticed a Gringo buying 3 bottles of Jim Beam.. and IMMEDIATLY this forum came to mind.. I just wondered which one of you it was!!!!

A reflection in the mirror.

The Gull - 10-31-2008 at 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toneart
Gull,
Didn't May West say something about a "pocket diploma"?

Toneart,

Did you date her? Tell the truth.

Cypress - 10-31-2008 at 12:52 PM

Three bottles of Jim Beam!

That dude has good taste when it comes to whiskey. :biggrin:

The Gull - 10-31-2008 at 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Three bottles of Jim Beam!

That dude has good taste when it comes to whiskey. :biggrin:

Huh? I get it...tongue in cheek.

Cypress - 10-31-2008 at 02:39 PM

Not joking! Jim Beam's good sipping whiskey!

bajaguy - 10-31-2008 at 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Not joking! Jim Beam's good sipping whiskey!

Jim Beam....?????? ....GAAAAK!!!!!!!!!

If'n you want sipping whiskey, try Jack Daniel's Single Barrel
smooooooothe as a baby's burro :lol:

fdt - 10-31-2008 at 05:58 PM

Are we still at odds?

Udo - 10-31-2008 at 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Gull

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Three bottles of Jim Beam!

That dude has good taste when it comes to whiskey. :biggrin:

Huh? I get it...tongue in cheek.

Quote:

I generally use Jim Beam as a gargle when I have a cold, and I always spit it out!

The Gull - 10-31-2008 at 06:09 PM

Sure are. Jim Beam is not for drinking. Maybe for starting charcoal or something like that, it would be useful.

Ferna, you see that everyone who doesn't see the world the way one Nomad sees it, is a drunk, although those accused of that status are in fact, not drunks.

Any time one Nomad wants to prove his superiority, he whips his sheepskin out of his pants and shows it off.

The only problem is that the inscription says "diplumber" in honor of the edjucation one can get from that insustution.

Any time a border official asks a question, the official gets a spitting faceful of a rant regarding human rights which begets the automatic secondary option.

Later on, after multiple negative encounters with the officials, the crosser is further outraged by the special treatment provided each time a crossing is attempted.

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-31-2008 at 06:39 PM

Well if your NOT a drunk , then it makes it even more surpising , and amazing that you can be so mean...

Its not just about disagreeing.. there is a way to disagree with someone without personal attacks.. You dont see that.. but its the truth. YOU think you know how I act at the border... BUT you don't.. Its sad that I am sure others agree with me, but they are afraid to put in thier opinion, because of members like you that are ALWAYS ""disagreeing"" as you say!

Please go and ""Disagree"" with someone else for a while.... and make yourself feel better about yourelf!

CaboRon - 10-31-2008 at 06:50 PM

......................

fdt - 10-31-2008 at 07:53 PM

Ok, the way I see it it was your'e choice to leave the country and now you have to re-enter. No one forced you to leave so now you have to go thru the process of getting back in.
I guess it's an attitude thing, the way one aproaches the agent at the point of entry, we are the ones entering, we are the ones aproaching, we are the ones that chose to leave and now want to return. "Hey there, I'm a US citizen and deserve special treatment".
So I guess we must be absolutely, certainly, unambiguously, unequivocally and most positively at odds.

toneart - 10-31-2008 at 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Gull

Quote:

Originally posted by toneart
Gull,
Didn't May West say something about a "pocket diploma"?

Toneart,

Did you date her? Tell the truth.

I saw her in a movie once but I knew you could relate.
:lol:

MexicoGringoGuy - 10-31-2008 at 09:20 PM

Yes Fernando.. We are, and have been, BUT Unless provocted, then I will not stoop to telling everyone the reasons..., although you seem to really want me to lay it all out there, as you keep snipping back and forth when I asked you to let things the way they are... I am not trying to embarass anyone, or cause anyone trouble... So lets leave it as it is..

The Gull - 11-1-2008 at 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy
YOU think you know how I act at the border... Its sad that I am sure others agree with me

I concur: it is sad, that you are sure that others agree with you. Delusional conditions are pathetic.

I DO know how you act at the border. You have proudly written how you smart off to the officers, demand special treatment because you are but one of 330 million Americans, call US government employees little pricks and whip out your sheepskin while you braggadociosly flag it.

If you can tear yourself away from spending time calling other Nomads drunks and mean, try looking up the term Ugly American.

[Edited on 11-1-2008 by The Gull]

Speaking of the meaning of "ugly American"

CaboRon - 11-1-2008 at 07:38 AM

Remember this thread about who the ugly American really was ???

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=29380#pid2931...

or how about this one ...

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=27814&pag...

CaboRon

MexicoGringoGuy - 11-1-2008 at 10:33 AM

# 1 Gull you don't know the entire situation... YOU do a good job with that quote feature.. BUT do a favor and when you quote me, put it in context with complete quote!

The time at the border I was talking about, I was NOT rude to start out with.. the agent she was a lady was VERY rude... she asked me tons of questions.. BUT what got me, was Where am I going, and WHY... my response to her was... I am a citizen of this country I do not have to tell anyone where I plan to go in it... (this was well after I produced my american passport and already answered all her other questions... There could be no doubt that i was american) she immediatly got even more of an atitude then the fat guy next to her started chiming in and she smirked and said are you in a hurry , i said yes,,, she said oh too bad your going to secondary.. (complete abuse of power!! I had already prooved that i was an american citizen allowed to enter my own country) finally the supervisor came, and he was amazing rude and smart elicky!!! He just laughed at me and told me I had no rights when crossing the border (thanks prez) that "maybe the liberal college I attended and flunked out of taught me diffrent" (Thats what made me respond with my ""sheepskin"" as you say.. the guy was so insulting , unprofessional, and rude... This Government empooyee, public servent!

I have never asked to get special treatment... If special treatment in the USA is to get treated with respect by our own servants, then its a sad time... I stand in line like everyone else.. produce my passport, and answer appropriate questions... like where I have been , why in mexico etc... ( i feel a little uncomfortable with them, but they make more sence than Where I am going and why) so fo you to say I am a nasty American is offensive.,... I am certanly not.... Only when I feel that people go too far! And I am especially NOT a nasty American within other country's.. I don't go around like others expecting americanized surroundings, american homes.. complain everytime something isntl like it is in america... I live and have lived amounst mexicans for several years... and have NEVER been called a nasty American

Gull.. just because you feel the government has the rights and we do not.. thats OK for you.. I disagree but that too is OK... Just don't be nasty... if you want to have a grown up, adult , healthy debate, thats cool! BUt those usually don't involve the words you use, and the jabs you keep making... PLEASE remember that America is Great because we are diffrent...and because of our rights (that are slowly going away) so please don't demean me, or persecute me for those ideas!

I appologise for calling anyone a Drunk.. I only know a few people on here personally so I cannot say all are drunks, nor do I think it... I was in defense mode, and should not have stooped to the level of others on here!

bajaguy - 11-1-2008 at 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy
....immediatly..... atitude.... your.... prooved... smart elicky... diffrent..... empooyee....... servent..... sence..... than....... certanly...... country's..... amounst...... appologise....

Liberal College???????.......must have flunked spelling/english.

I would DEMAND your tuition be returned

CaboRon - 11-1-2008 at 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajaguy

Quote:

Liberal College???????.......must have flunked spelling/english.

I would DEMAND your tuition be returned

That must be why he has to carry a pocket diploma :lol:

To prove he got his schoolin' :lol:

CaboRon

While crossing the border? Just have fun and go with the flow!

Lee - 11-1-2008 at 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy
I dont go in with a chip or tude.. It sjust I am an American Citizen...

Quote:

Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy
The time at the border I was talking about, I was NOT rude to start out with.. the agent she was a lady was VERY rude... she asked me tons of questions.. BUT what got me, was Where am I going, and WHY... my response to her was... I am a citizen of this country.....

Hey Guy? You claim to ''not'' have a tude, and then you claim you were ''NOT rude to start out.''

If I could offer some advice here, and nothing new as a lot of good advice has been given but for some reason -- you continue, at least to me, to have a healthy ''tude'' about your rights as a US citizen.

If a border Officer asks you questions, just answer them, politely. If they are rude, be polite back. If the questions sound stupid, answer them anyway. Keep your answers polite and short. When answering questions, especially questions you might consider stupid and personal, and coming from a rude ''public servant,'' try to save your judgment for after you've crossed the border, then open your window, while driving on the freeway, and just vent to no one in particular. Get all that anger or judgment or whatever is going on for you -- just get it out. In fact, it would be better to get it out BEFORE you deal with the border Officers.

Wanting to be treated ''special'' (as in ''I'm a US citizen and have rights,'' or, ''You can't talk to me like that -- I was born in the US!'') doesn't apply at border crossings. No one there is on your side.

Since US citizens have no rights at the border, relatively speaking, just be humble and smile and be courteous and polite. It'll make life a lot easier for you.

As for Gull? Gull doesn't like Nomads and I'm positive your posts irritate him/her to no end. Come over to OT and take Gull on. Everybody else does.

bajalera - 11-1-2008 at 01:14 PM

Oh please! Not another round of bad-speller rants. Good thinkers who are bad spellers have given me a lifetime of employment--may their numbers increase.

Cypress - 11-1-2008 at 01:22 PM

My vocabulary gets pretty limited when dealing with border patrol, city police, county cops etc.

Yes Sir! No Sir! And I smile a lot! :yes:

It helps.

The Gull - 11-1-2008 at 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lee
Come over to OT and take Gull on. Everybody else does.

MGG,

Thuglee has delusions, the same as you.

Hey Gull? Take your personal insults to OT. Leave the reasonable nomads here in peace!

Lee - 11-1-2008 at 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy
# 1 Gull you don't know the entire situation... Just don't be nasty...

... if you want to have a grown up, adult , healthy debate, thats cool! BUt those usually don't involve the words you use, and the jabs you keep making...

... please don't demean me, or persecute me for those ideas!

Gee. Guy? You're NOT delusional. Just be ''mellow'' when you deal with anyone with a badge, and you'll come out better than if you were NOT mellow. Trust me on this.

MexicoGringoGuy - 11-1-2008 at 07:49 PM

Not worth my time.. I guess some people have nothing better to do than to creep around on the internet and check everyones spelling... Get a life and go away ! :fire:

A private messege from GULL

MexicoGringoGuy - 11-2-2008 at 01:06 PM

"Subject: Advice
From: The Gull
To: MexicoGringoGuy
Folder: Inbox
Sent: 11-2-2008 at 06:32 AM
Message: I have a life. It seems of the two of us, yours is much worse off.

When using the term, "everyones spelling" you need to remember to put in the apostrophe on "everyone's". You really should sue that school that mailed you that fake diploma. Who filled out the application for you to get it?

What a stupid person you are to think that anyone actually would believe a person who says they carry their college degree in their pocket. You are even more a stupid person if you actually do carry it around and show it off.

You asked for a debate and now it is not worth your time? Loser is the only term that truly fits you for that move.

I wish you more bad border crossings in the future. I know you will have them without my wish, as you are so steeped in self pity, anger, feeling of inadequacy and smallness, you bristle at all images of authority. A bad childhood would have that affect.

Don't bother to respond as I don't have the time to read more bad English."

I never asked for a debate... thats whats funny, is you go looking and think just because someone has other views than you that they want a Heated, mean debate.. well please quote me asking for a debate...

You are a mean old fool, and I hope you find happiness in this world!!

[Edited on 11-2-2008 by MexicoGringoGuy]

Udo - 11-2-2008 at 01:13 PM

The majority of us just put up with the bad spelling because we generally see it as a typo.
I see no point in nit-picking a spelling error just to embarras the poster, regardless of who that person is.

woody with a view - 11-2-2008 at 01:19 PM

Quote:

I dont go in with a chip or tude.. It sjust I am an American Citizen trying to get into my country... I should not be treated suspect... I don't have a sentry.. and I am NOT talking about crossing with Sentry.. so those that have commented its not valid because its different.. you ususally do just get passed.. thats the whole point of sentry... BUT I should not have to have a sentry... to come back into my country with dignity and respect..

it's all about YOU isn't it. i don't care what they ask me as long as they keep out the people that want to kill me and mine. typical obamacrat. try taking in the bigger picture. it's more than just you.

woody with a view - 11-2-2008 at 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajaguy

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Not joking! Jim Beam's good sipping whiskey!

Jim Beam....?????? ....GAAAAK!!!!!!!!!

If'n you want sipping whiskey, try Jack Daniel's Single Barrel
smooooooothe as a baby's burro :lol:

SIPPING? what's that?

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MexicoGringoGuy - 11-2-2008 at 01:54 PM

Well.. it may be the internet, BUT when I joined i thought it was a community.. NOW i know it is NOT.. it is just a site where people can be mean to other and hide behind the internet... I thought it was a place for baja related people to get together and talk, etc... Like other forums... I see its not.. I have been told by many other people that this forum is FULL OF HATRED AND VENOM!!!

Poor taste.. NO the poor taste is the message that was written to me.. Just because it was private.. so what ?? I would agree if it was omeone telling me something.. but when one is nasty to me in any form, they loose my respect and trust so thats why I posted it...

No, its NOT just about me.. The BIGGER PICTURE is that ALL americans will loose more and more rights if we don't stand up and stop it now... It has nothing to do with obama or Mcain.. Its An American thing... it's a respect thing.. SO they can protect me and mine WITHOUT being rude and without taking all my rights... If people wish to keep blinders and and be led with a leash and just listen to what they are told.. THEN FINE.. but don't expect all of us to, or we will eventually be in a dictatorship!

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