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Gruesome news

bajalera - 12-2-2008 at 01:32 PM

The Spanish CNN channel in La Paz reported that 177 people were killed in TJ during November, and someone told me that some of them--including two cops--were beheaded there over the weekend.

Do any of you Norte guys know if this is all drug-related, or what?

BajaGeoff - 12-2-2008 at 03:20 PM

Hey Bajalera,

It is rival drug gangs fighting with each other and the police/government. Unfortunately there have been some innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire, but the majority of the deaths are those involved in the drug trade.

comitan - 12-2-2008 at 03:40 PM

Better info here;

http://www.afntijuana.info/indexnavidad.html

bacquito - 12-2-2008 at 06:05 PM

Take no comfort in the killings being between drug gangs, corrupt police and honest police.
Who wants to visit a city where you have to step over dead, decapitated bodies to visit a restaurant. We can avoid the situation but the poor people who live in these cities must be terrified- a truly tragic situation for Mexico

nobaddays - 12-2-2008 at 06:24 PM

it is so sad

David K - 12-2-2008 at 06:53 PM

On the radio today it said the Tijuana police chief stepped down after 3 DOZEN murders just occured... anyone hear more on this?

k-rico - 12-2-2008 at 06:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bacquito
Take no comfort in the killings being between drug gangs, corrupt police and honest police.
Who wants to visit a city where you have to step over dead, decapitated bodies to visit a restaurant. We can avoid the situation but the poor people who live in these cities must be terrified- a truly tragic situation for Mexico


I can report I went out for dinner tonight in TJ near my home. I had a delicious bacon wrapped hot dog con todo. I didn't see one dead body nor any detached heads. Although I have stopped eating tacos de cabeza. ;D

woody with a view - 12-2-2008 at 07:07 PM

the chief was fired and replaced by a military guy from mexico city.

Woooosh - 12-2-2008 at 07:34 PM

The TJ chief was fired and replaced by the military guy they had stationed in Rosarito Beach. The one they tried to assisinate last December.

Looks more and more like martial law will be declared soon in Baja Norte- all the players are getting into place- the Miltary now heads the Police and the Police are being replaced by the military on the streets.

BajaNomad - 12-2-2008 at 10:47 PM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20081202-1...

Ford - 12-2-2008 at 11:20 PM

I heard on the radio yesterday in San Francisco, CA that something like 27 people were killed just last weekend. Nine heads were found in plastic bags, 3 of which were confirmed police officers and the others were assumed to be police as well...
It is crazy to think that a police force that had seemed to be changing for the better can be wiped out like this without some major forces moving in and stopping the violence. Makes you wonder how far up the corruption goes??????

Woooosh - 12-2-2008 at 11:46 PM

So far only 4% of TJ police being psychologically screened have passed with a "recommended" rating. Last week they put 500 Army troops in east TJ to replace those cops while they go through the screening process. They fired the police Chief of TJ yesterday and brought in an Army guy - who is up to speed from running Rosarito Beach police the past year. Seems like it is all but a miltatry solution. They are all screened and they only get paid half what a TJ cop used to make.

CaboRon - 12-3-2008 at 05:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
So far only 4% of TJ police being psychologically screened have passed with a "recommended" rating. Last week they put 500 Army troops in east TJ to replace those cops while they go through the screening process. They fired the police Chief of TJ yesterday and brought in an Army guy - who is up to speed from running Rosarito Beach police the past year. Seems like it is all but a miltatry solution. They are all screened and they only get paid half what a TJ cop used to make.


It will only get worse ..... how do you weed out over a hundred years of corruption ....

CaboRon

Thoughtful drug assassins?

The Gull - 12-3-2008 at 06:28 AM

Bagging the decapitated heads? Is this part of a city beautification effort? How thoughtful.

What can anyone expect for the truth in these situations when there are representations of stepping "over dead bodies to visit a restaurant." No exaggeration or hyperbole in that statement, is there? :wow::wow::wow:

k-rico - 12-3-2008 at 06:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaboRon
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
So far only 4% of TJ police being psychologically screened have passed with a "recommended" rating. Last week they put 500 Army troops in east TJ to replace those cops while they go through the screening process. They fired the police Chief of TJ yesterday and brought in an Army guy - who is up to speed from running Rosarito Beach police the past year. Seems like it is all but a miltatry solution. They are all screened and they only get paid half what a TJ cop used to make.


It will only get worse ..... how do you weed out over a hundred years of corruption ....

CaboRon


Or stop the millions of illegal drug users in the United States that are supplying the demand the cartels are fighting over to fulfill. Every American using illegal drugs is as culpable as the corrupt TJ cops. Don't give me this bad Mexican, good American crap.

As a TJ resident I say organized crime is better than disorganized crime. Allow the cartels to thrive and let the drugs flow to the north to the users. This is like the early 90s before the Arellano Felix Organization gained control.

[Edited on 12-3-2008 by k-rico]

awfulart - 12-3-2008 at 06:55 AM

The law of "Supply & Demand" always rules. Drugs or illegals!

k-rico - 12-3-2008 at 07:09 AM

Supplying drugs to US consumers is a huge business, I think impossible to stop.

"Other government agencies, including the Government Accountability Office and the National Drug Intelligence Center, have estimated that Mexico's cartels earn upwards of $23 billion in illicit drug proceeds from the United States"

A big reason for the dramatic increase in the violence, United States funding to do the impossible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9rida_Initiative

[Edited on 12-3-2008 by k-rico]

movinguy - 12-3-2008 at 09:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bacquito
Take no comfort in the killings being between drug gangs, corrupt police and honest police.
Who wants to visit a city where you have to step over dead, decapitated bodies to visit a restaurant. We can avoid the situation but the poor people who live in these cities must be terrified- a truly tragic situation for Mexico


Juarez is worse - NOBODY goes out after dark. :no:

BajaGringo - 12-3-2008 at 09:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by The Gull
Bagging the decapitated heads? Is this part of a city beautification effort? How thoughtful.

What can anyone expect for the truth in these situations when there are representations of stepping "over dead bodies to visit a restaurant." No exaggeration or hyperbole in that statement, is there? :wow::wow::wow:


I mentioned this quote to my wife's family in Tijuana and asked them if they had ever had to "step over" any dead/decapitated bodies.

Sorry to disappoint some here but their answer was no.

I do remember years ago when I had one of my offices in Long Beach that we used to have to step over drunk/stoned homeless folks out on the front sidewalk to get into the office at times and one day one of them didn't move - he had passed on during the night. I guess that was my only experience having to "step over" dead people.

Is there a lot of violence going on in Tijuana right now? Absolutely. But it is mostly targeted at rival narcos and the average rates are no greater than New Orleans.

Are they "stepping over" dead people when going out to dine in New Orleans?

Gallup worse than TJ

The Gull - 12-4-2008 at 05:00 AM

One winter night in Gallup, NM I had to step over an Indian who froze to death after getting drunk. He was at the gas station blocking access to the gas pump. What lack of courtesy he demonstrated. If he was in TJ, do you think his head would have been bagged?

[Edited on 12-4-2008 by The Gull]

CaboRon - 12-4-2008 at 06:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by awfulart
The law of "Supply & Demand" always rules. Drugs or illegals!


Always .....

bajalera - 12-4-2008 at 04:32 PM

Neatening up the city! When Gull isn't busy being nasty he can be pretty funny.

HCR - 12-4-2008 at 06:32 PM

More U.S. aid is the answer. After all, if we can spend 10 billion a month in Iraq we can surely find a few billion a year for our southern neighbor.:lol:

teadust - 12-6-2008 at 02:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HCR
More U.S. aid is the answer. After all, if we can spend 10 billion a month in Iraq we can surely find a few billion a year for our southern neighbor.:lol:


Let's see what the $400 Million from the Merida Initiative adds to the situation:

U.S. Gives Mexico Anti-Drug Funding

EXCERPT:

"...Ninety percent of all the cocaine consumed in the United States is believed to reach the country via Mexico.

President Felipe Calderon, has long sought, and been promised, financial aid from Washington to try to defeat the traffickers.

The initiative is part of a $1.6bn (£1.1bn) US plan to help train and equip security forces and strengthen justice systems in Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean.

The aid has been held up for months, partly because US legislators were concerned that the money might end up in the hands of corrupt Mexican officials.

None of the $197m which has just been released will be in the form of cash.
Instead equipment is being provided to enable American and Mexican law enforcers to work more closely together..."

CaboRon - 12-6-2008 at 04:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HCR
More U.S. aid is the answer. After all, if we can spend 10 billion a month in Iraq we can surely find a few billion a r for our southern neighbor.:lol:


We may be spending that much in Iraq : but we are going bankrupt trying to maintain that :wow:

CaboRon