BajaNomad - Scary Newsweek article

Scary Newsweek article

thebajarunner - 12-2-2008 at 10:38 PM

The current Newsweek (Dec 8) profiles the incredible "Bloodshed on the Border"
It actually is almost entirely about Juarez, but some of the facts certainly spill over to Tijuana and Baja.
Incredible stats:

Only 2% of all murders in Mexico are ever solved
1,300 murders in Juarez so far in 2008
1,500 vehicles stolen in month of October in Juarez.

This article is "must" reading for anyone with even a passing interest in Mexico, in border states and in Baja.

(Imagine..... 2% "solved rate" on murders, nationwide!)

BajaNomad - 12-2-2008 at 10:42 PM

http://www.newsweek.com/id/171251

..or the sans-ads "print" version:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/171251/output/print

:biggrin:

thebajarunner - 12-2-2008 at 10:49 PM

thanks Doug,
been a long day
I was too lazy to look it up and post it
the article needs to be read

tjBill - 12-3-2008 at 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
1,500 vehicles stolen in month of October in Juarez.

That is scary.

CaboRon - 12-3-2008 at 10:34 AM

Out of Control ....

CaboRon

gnukid - 12-3-2008 at 10:30 PM

Lies and nonsense-You can protect yourself and not worry about these opportunists. I think most of you know what to do... ... ...

Udo - 12-4-2008 at 08:31 PM

I know Ciudad Juarez is across the freeway from El Paso, but it is also a few miles from Texas which has the most liberal gun sales in the US.
Perhaps there is a link as to why there are so many guns and killings in Juarez. :light:

Stickers - 12-4-2008 at 08:38 PM

I remember Mexico of many years ago before all the guns. A paradise compared to today. :no:

El Paso- read the article

thebajarunner - 12-5-2008 at 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by udowinkler
I know Ciudad Juarez is across the freeway from El Paso, but it is also a few miles from Texas which has the most liberal gun sales in the US.
Perhaps there is a link as to why there are so many guns and killings in Juarez. :light:

Guns or no....
El Paso (according to the article) is the second safest city in America.
Go figure??
Maybe, just maybe, there is so much opportunity to do bad across the border that no one needs to be bad in West Texas.
Just a thought.

flyfishinPam - 12-5-2008 at 11:43 AM

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Ciudad Juarez is where several cartels are duking it out over territory and control. its a turf war and its too big for the Mexican government to contain so it is out of control and lawless. I really feel for the people who have to live there and cannot leave.

Regarding guns being smuggled south- Lets see...Mexico wants the border to be porous enough so that illegal immigrants can go north and not to mention illegal drugs going north, yet they want American tourists and dollars to move south. sorry but they can't have it both ways. with a porous border anything moves across it in either direction. :light:

boe4fun - 12-6-2008 at 10:13 AM

My brother-in-law has lived in El Paso for the past 30 something years, teaching at the Loretto Academy where a number of his students live in Juarez and cross the border daily for their education. He says that Juarez is totally out of control with kidnappings, turf wars, extortion, etc. Many of his latino friends have moved across the border to escape the madness, and the ones who have stayed in Mexico won't even go out at night! I only hope the powers that be in Mexico's capitol can eventually get some sort of handle on this terrible problem.

Fatboy - 12-7-2008 at 06:56 PM

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I know Ciudad Juarez is across the freeway from El Paso, but it is also a few miles from Texas which has the most liberal gun sales in the US.

So what do you have to say about this...

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El Paso (according to the article) is the second safest city in America.

California is not very 'liberal' with gun sales, but I am sure the fact that being allowed to own firearms must have something to do with the current state of affairs in Tijuana!

Do you think the current problems the US Carmakers are having has something to do with the 1500 vehicles being stolen monthly?

Very knee-jerk reaction there Udowinkler...

Eugenio - 12-8-2008 at 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by Stickers
I remember Mexico of many years ago before all the guns. A paradise compared to today. :no:

I remember Mexico before the heavy restrictions on guns in the late 60's - in the interior it was common to see men carrying pistols - there was less crime - but it would make you worry that the guy with the gun might be drunk or a nut job.

norte - 12-8-2008 at 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Fatboy

Do you think the current problems the US Carmakers are having has something to do with the 1500 vehicles being stolen monthly?

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No. I don't get the connnection

BajaGringo - 12-8-2008 at 12:48 PM

Maybe he meant "stolen" with some "assistance", because of the bad economy and folks not being able to make car payments???

:biggrin:

Fatboy - 12-9-2008 at 07:28 PM

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No. I don't get the connnection

Good, because I don't get the connection with liberal gun laws in Texas resulting in high crime in Mexico....

k-rico - 12-9-2008 at 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by Fatboy

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No. I don't get the connnection

Good, because I don't get the connection with liberal gun laws in Texas resulting in high crime in Mexico....

Well, uh, let me explain. The guns that are used by the Mexican bad guys to kill other Mexicans are easily bought in Texas and taken back in a few hours or less. But I know, guns don't kill people..........etc.

Fatboy - 12-9-2008 at 10:09 PM

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Really? You have any proof to back that up? If easy access to guns results in higher crime, please explain El Paso's crime rate? Switzerland is REALLY liberal on gun ownership, I would also like to hear about the 'high' crime rate there.

For fun, compare Japan(almost prohibts gun ownership, average crime rate) to Switzerland(low crime, lot's of firearms including assualt weapons in homes). In all honesty it is not the availibilty of guns that determine crime.

So now that you have determined that the ease of obtaining or lack thereof of firearms makes an impact on crime rates explain Tijuana? I suppose the criminals are buying in El Paso and going to Tijuana?

Of course, that makes sense, if firearms are available, no matter the distance, it makes good people bad because now they can commit crimes.

Man, I wished I lived prior to the 1500's since crime was not known to exist since firearms were not available for the most part, right? Destroy all guns and crime stops?

THERE IS ALMOST NO CONNECTION BETWEEN CRIME RATE AND AVAILIBILTY OF FIREARMS!

Yes, people commit crimes with guns. People also commit crimes with cars, knives, fists and email.

lizard lips - 12-9-2008 at 11:13 PM

This is nothing new. Juarez has been a crime ridden city for many, many years.

k-rico - 12-10-2008 at 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by Fatboy

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Really? You have any proof to back that up?

"U.S. guns arm Mexican drug cartels
Licensed weapons dealers are abundant near the border. 'Straw buyers' assist the traffickers."

"More than 90% of guns seized at the border or after raids and shootings in Mexico have been traced to the United States, according to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."

link

Please enter the following query into google:

firearms united states mexico

Gee, I wonder if there are any Americans buying guns at local gun shows, smuggling them into Mexico, and selling them for profit, ya think?

[Edited on 12-10-2008 by k-rico]