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Small boat trip...your thoughts

AcuDoc - 12-20-2008 at 07:48 PM

I've wanted to do this for years and think I might be able to this May. I have a 16.5 foot Klamath w/50hp 4 stroke. I get between 5-6 mpg. I have a 12 gal. bow tank and 6 gal stern tank. I plan on carrying four 6 gal. jerry cans to be safe.

I'll camp in coves with my tent and camping equipment for the most part. Enjoy the views and fishing the mornings, watch for the wind and places for a safe shore anchorage. Get off the water early enough to avoid the wind.

I'll probably stay with 10 miles of shore. I've spent a lot of time on the SOC and play it smart. I know what I and my boat are capable of and I'm no fool.

I have a saying "There is only one rule in nature. You screw up you die. DON'T break the rule!"

Day 1
Leave San Lucas Cove in the morning when the tide lets me, lunch in Chivato, then to Los Naranjos and hang for 2 days.

Day 2
Los Naranjos and check out Concepcion

Day 3
Los Naranjos to Puerto Escondido to top of fuel and head out to an island for the night

Day 4
Agua Verde?

Day 5
La Paz

Day 6
La Paz

Day 7
La Paz head north

Day 8
head north

Day 9
head north

Day 10
Puerto Escondido to top of fuel and head out to an island for the night

Day 11
Loreto area to Los Naranjos

Day 12
Los Naranjos to SLC

possibly add two more days to screw around so maybe a 14 day r/t SLC to La Paz.

All opinions welcome and appreciated

[Edited on 12-21-2008 by AcuDoc]

Bajaboy - 12-20-2008 at 07:54 PM

Sounds like a great trip. Go for it!

zac

Russ - 12-20-2008 at 08:40 PM

That really sounds like a great adventure! It would be really a good Idea to have a buddy boat on a trip like this. Good Radio with full size antenna & charged cell phone. Mid May on there will be more boaters out for an assist if things go awry. Also may want to have someone on call to move your trailer if you don't want to do the round trip. One possible problem I see is at night. What to do with the boat & equipment if your forced make camp? The winds are really screwy that time of year so a sheltered anchorage maybe questionable. You'll be really heavy and your boat will handle much differently than you may be accustom to. I wanted to do that trip too but never got around to it. Some one here will have done it and have some 1st hand advice for you.
Have a Blast!

AcuDoc - 12-20-2008 at 09:33 PM

Thanks Russ

At the very least I want to do from SLC to Los Naranjos or maybe even the Loreto area and spend a 7-10 days exploring and it's probably more doable.

Then I'm off to La Ventana for a few weeks.

bajaguy - 12-20-2008 at 09:40 PM

Get a SPOT tracker....it will be good for you, your family and friends and anybody who has to come and help you:

http://www.findmespot.com/en/

El Comadante Loco - 12-20-2008 at 09:42 PM

Sounds like a great trip. I agree with the idea of a buddy boat and contingency plan to be pick up in La Paz if needed. A friend of mine went out of puertocitos on 17ft boat with a 40hp outboard.. They developed motor problems and did not get back until after 10:pm. We were concerned and started to make plans to launch a search. Thankfully they had a 5hp kicker which got them back safely. I hope you plan to take an extra motor just in case!!! I also recommend you take along a SPOT.. We used them on our 6 week off road Baja trip and would not ever travel again without one.. Buena Suerte!!!

Terry28 - 12-20-2008 at 10:06 PM

Sounds like your are going solo....If so take a sat. phone and a few reliable numbers of folks along the way...Still sounds awesome....ya gott a do it!!

Hook - 12-20-2008 at 10:21 PM

Pick your anchorages well.

If you are counting on using the continuous-loop-from-shore method of anchoring out, I hope you can find anchorages that will let you keep the boat that close to shore. Or are you just gonna beach the boat and let the next high tide float you?

Most of the guide books that talk about anchorages assume you will sleep on a boat on the hook. I cant recall much info in the Cunningham or Jack Williams guide books that will help you there. What if the safe anchorage is farther out than the loop you can make? Or will you just swim in?

Chivato is only about 45 minutes by water from SLC, if that. Might as well just head to Naranjos which might only be about another hour away, for lunch.

Naranjos is a bit exposed as an anchorage. Santispac would be much better but then theres those damn jake brakes on the semis coming down the hill.

I'm more familiar with the run from Loreto to La Paz. You will have good anchorages at Escondido, Agua Verde, the "hook" at Isla San Francisco and then I guess you would head to Marina de La Paz.

Maybe consider driving the truck and trailer to La Paz and taking a bus back to SLC and then commencing the cruise. That way you have a vehicle for the La Paz area and you can head to La Ventana when done with La Paz. I dont think you are gonna want to return to SLC by water.

Someone on the board will know where to store a truck and trailer in La Paz. Maybe Marina de La Paz as well.

[Edited on 12-21-2008 by Hook]

Skipjack Joe - 12-20-2008 at 10:29 PM

May is probably fine but late june/july is more stable. If you can, I would wait a month or two just to raise the odds for a calmer journey.

Pompano - 12-20-2008 at 10:42 PM

AcuDoc...I made drawings of my own small boat anchorages, fishing holes, and routes from the early 70's and throughout the 80's.

I made the same kind of trips in a 16ft Lund a few times...and many coast voyages in my old 30ft Pompano. Went north to San Felipe one one trip with lots of time at BOLA area (boat camped on Refugio), then other trips south to Agua Verde, Cabo, Mag Bay, Scorpion Bay, San Ignacio lagoon, Asuncion, etc.

When you get to Conception Bay, you are welcome to look at my old scrapbooks...lots of info there for you to use.

It's an easy trip and full of adventure... a trifle cool at nights this time of year, but by May it will be a piece of cake. You will run into many kayakers making the same trip.

Good luck and I know you will have fun.




[Edited on 12-21-2008 by Pompano]

AcuDoc - 12-20-2008 at 11:32 PM

After reading the comments here is thought.

I had thought about what Hook said awhile ago. So with that in mind and the comments

Day 1
Leave San Lucas Cove to Los Naranjos and hang for 2 days.

Day 2
Los Naranjos and check out Concepcion

Day 3
Los Naranjos to Puerto Escondido to top of fuel and preferably head out to Isla Danzante for the night, if not Escondido of maybe Juancalito (I haven't been there for awhile)

Day 4
Loreto area to Agua Verde

Day 5
Agua Verde to Isla San Francisco

Day 6
Isla San Francisco to La Paz

Day 7
La Paz (truck/trailer waiting) for the night

Day 8
Drive La Paz to La Ventana

tnx for all the help

[Edited on 12-21-2008 by AcuDoc]

Bob and Susan - 12-21-2008 at 07:52 AM

a couple of things i've seen...

gas weight about 8 pounds a gallon
water also
equipment is heavy too

watch your total weight or you could overload the boat
and spin the prop on the motor

i've seen boaters want to be completely self contained for the entire trip and it's really not necessary

stay light and plan to buy supplies along the way
they are available...

example...loreto
you can park right in the harbor and walk easily
you'll need to get a marine permit anyway at the port captain

the ride from the mulege and naranjos in the bay
to Puerto Escondido is pretty long haul...

i'd make a back-up plan to camp somewhere in between

make sure to get the GOOD antenna for your marine radio
(there are several)
don't settle for a cheap antenna

get two gps units
a good one and a hand held unit

have a water proof hand held vhf for back up

lots of rope
heavy chain as long as the boat or longer
danforth anchor
and a slide hammer shore anchor

wind could be your only problen but naranjos has that protected marina area for the boat (almost finished)
you'll be fine in the WORST wind

good luck
we could assist when you arrive

mariposajim - 12-21-2008 at 09:24 AM

I agree with all the other comments, particularly that the run from conception to puerto escondido is a long haul. You might consider overnighting at ramalita, pulpito, or the "secret cove" just south of pulpito. Best time IMHO is late june/early july for dorado, but remember they usually arrive with south winds. Take care with anchoring and swing.

Great trip. I did it many years ago in a 21 footer and had a ball. One of life's great treats: at anchor in warm, balmy weather with a cold drink watching the sun set over the islands.
jim

BOAT TRIP

rob - 12-21-2008 at 09:56 AM

Acudoc - you'll have a great time!

I also have a Klamath (15ft) with a 40 Yamaha and (important) a Suzuki 6 kicker. I have taken the boat from Agua Verde down to San Evaristo and La Paz, and also range up and down in the Pacific from our ranch (opposite La Paz) to Bahia Magdalena and out to the Lusitania Banks.

As I recall, there is a very long stretch of coast from San Cosme (on road to Agua Verde where there is a very obliging ranchero with gas) to San Evaristo that is all but deserted (this info 5 years old). You can probably get gas at San Evaristo - but it will cost . . .

Don't worry about anchorages - with our size boat there is an anchorage (or beach) about every 100 yards - stay relatively close to the coast anyway.

Agua Verde to La Paz in one day in any kind of sea will be a bodybreaker . . .

Let me know if I can help (Hell- even crew!). Here is a shot of Rosinante on Isla San Jose opposite San Evaristo.

rob
Rancho la Aguja

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oxxo - 12-21-2008 at 10:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Someone on the board will know where to store a truck and trailer in La Paz. Maybe Marina de La Paz as well.


Nope, MLP storage is 100% full. You might try one of the haul out yards.

oxxo - 12-21-2008 at 10:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
wind could be your only problen but naranjos has that protected marina area for the boat (almost finished)


Where is the marina at Naranjos relative to Mulege? How large a boat will it accomodate?

Barry A. - 12-21-2008 at 10:27 AM

Wow, Rob-------that is a lot of "motor" for a 15 foot Klamath. I assume it handles it ok, and it must really "haul". My 14 foot GREGOR only has a 15hp Johnson 2-stroke and it moves as fast as I ever want to go.

I am curious as to your comments on boat-handling with that big a motor. And is the Yamaha a 4-stroke, or 2-stroke?

As for the proposed trip on this thread------what a great adventure---something I have long dreamed of doing. The other big trip I always wanted to do is from BOLA out to the "big Island" (Guadelupe), to circumnavigate it.

I hear the coast from Loreto to La Paz is just spectacular!!!

Go for it!!!

Barry



Barry

toneart - 12-21-2008 at 10:42 AM

AcuDoc,

Why San Lucas Cove and Naranjos? Do you have friends there?

If you began in Santispac, you could launch from the beach. Then cut right across the Bahia de Conception and around the point. Then head south. Great inshore fishing, beaches and coves. With a boat that size, I wouldn't worry about where to take shelter. Also, May will be absolutely perfect weather. You may have friends in Mulege or Conception that would be willing to let you park your truck and trailer.

When you are done, berth in La Paz or Loreto and take the bus back to Mulege. Get your truck/trailer and drive back down to pick up your boat.

Have fun. You have a great and doable adventure ahead!

:yes:

SMALL BOAT - LARGE MOTOR?

rob - 12-21-2008 at 03:07 PM

Barry A.

I bought the 40HP Yamaha 3 cyl commercial 2-stroke motor because it was the largest motor the US Coastguard would allow for the Klamath 15ft (why the USCG is involved in motor choices without context information is a subject for another thread). I bought the 2-stroke because the power-to-weight ratio is higher than the 4-stroke - and it IS a small boat as you point out.

On a calm Sea of Cortez (and presumably most inland lakes), it is perfectly adequate - for rough seas and, especially, launching through Pacific breakers here at the ranch, it is inadequate to the point of being dangerous.

I haven't been around Isla Guadeloupe, although I know and love the coast all around BOLA and Las Animas (explored in a small Zodiac!) - one trip I really recommend is a circumnavigation of Isla San Jose (out of San Evaristo or even La Paz if you can carry the gas).

Now that we have settled on the Pacific coast, my next boat is a traditional 23`panga (although I would like a side console) and a 65HP 4-stroke.

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amirravon - 12-21-2008 at 04:44 PM

almost the same trip that im planing to do.... wish you good luck have fun.... maybe we can plan something together i have 17' CC let me know

Barry A. - 12-21-2008 at 04:53 PM

What's a "CC"?

woody with a view - 12-21-2008 at 05:04 PM

center console?

Barry A. - 12-21-2008 at 06:01 PM

Of course (duh) (why didn't I think of that???)

Thanks, Woody. (I never have been good with abreviations)

:rolleyes:

gnukid - 12-21-2008 at 06:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AcuDoc
After reading the comments here is thought.

I had thought about what Hook said awhile ago. So with that in mind and the comments

Day 1
Leave San Lucas Cove to Los Naranjos and hang for 2 days.

Day 2
Los Naranjos and check out Concepcion

Day 3
Los Naranjos to Puerto Escondido to top of fuel and preferably head out to Isla Danzante for the night, if not Escondido of maybe Juancalito (I haven't been there for awhile)

Day 4
Loreto area to Agua Verde

Day 5
Agua Verde to Isla San Francisco

Day 6
Isla San Francisco to La Paz

Day 7
La Paz (truck/trailer waiting) for the night

Day 8
Drive La Paz to La Ventana

tnx for all the help

[Edited on 12-21-2008 by AcuDoc]


The last leg, La Paz to La Ventana could be among the best passing La Fortuna, Balnario El Coyote, Punta Mexia, Los Cruces, Punto Gordo. Why give it up the last leg for a ride in the truck? You can get gas at either marina palmira or marina costa baja and continue on your own to see some of the greatest coves and beaches en route?

I'm pretty jealous of your itinerary, I did loreto to Lapaz by Kayak once and met small boaters en route who really had a hard time finding places to land with the high winds and swell of February. There are only some many options.

Expect it to be a wet and wild trip until June.

AcuDoc - 12-21-2008 at 07:21 PM

If I'm able to do this it will have to be in mid-May. I've had some great weather that time of year but each year is also different.

I could do the LP to LV if I want, I have not made up my mind. My thoughts were to pull the boat, do my shopping in LP and then head to LV. I've spent a lot of time in LV in the past and know the area pretty well. There isn't much of the coast line from LP to LV that I have not seen. I'll be there for awhile waiting for some friends to fly in (private plane),

After a week or so I'll drive and they will fly to Serenidad. Do the pig roast then fly to San Carlos to see friends and fish for a few days. Then back to Baja and start north with maybe a couple days at San Lucas Cove.

[Edited on 12-22-2008 by AcuDoc]

AcuDoc - 12-21-2008 at 07:23 PM

PS
If someone wants to do the buddy boat thing I might be up for that.

ZThomas - 12-22-2008 at 10:31 AM

AcuDoc,

Sounds like a great trip!

Only thing I'd say is something a couple others have also said: Concepcion to Escondido in a day seems like a needlessly long haul. It's certainly do-able with the right weather, but you won't have time for much besides traveling. So you'll miss out on a gorgeous stretch of coast and some great fishing. Back in the day, so to speak, I used to spend days at a time poking around that stretch solo -- just pile a bunch of groceries, beer and gas in the boat and go.



I've camped several times at a long, secluded, white-sand beach just north of Punta Sta Teresa. There's a big sand dune behind it that's easily visible from the water. There's decent shelter from south winds for a small boat, but you wouldn't want to do it in a norther.



Immediately north of that beach, though, there are a couple of very sheltered little coves. They're tight enough you want two anchors to keep from swinging a lot, and the shores are rocky, but for just getting out of the wind at night, they're great.

I also spent the night once -- 8, 9 years ago? -- in the little cove at San Nicolas, which is also an excellent small-boat anchorage with a steep cobble beach. When I stopped by it was July or August and none of the few gringo residents were there. The watchman was happy for the company and let us set up camp right on the beach, but he implies we probably wouldn't be allowed to if more people were around. I'm not sure what the situation at San Nicolas is now. Maybe someone else here does?

The inshore trolling around Isla San Ildefonso is unusually good with lots of nice leopard grouper, and the saddle between the south end of the island and Punta Pulpito is a great yellowtail spot. There's a good chance they'll still be around in May. Pangueros also get lots of huachinango (true red snapper) from that saddle, but I've never been able to find them. I've gotten a lot of early-season dorado around the southeast quadrant of the island within a mile or two of shore.

The pinnacles at the south end are really cool for snorkeling, and on the east side there's a sea cave you can drive a boat into at high tide.



There are also anchorages in the lee of Pulpito and in the beautiful bay at San Juanico a few more miles south, although I've never used them personally.

At any rate, the point is that if it were my trip I'd forego a day of messing around in Concepcion and spend it instead exploring the Punta Concepcion to Loreto stretch. In addition to the wild, pretty "outside" coast of the Concepcion peninsula, you'd be blowing right past Coronado and Carmen.

Good luck and have fun!

ZT

Skeet/Loreto - 12-22-2008 at 12:36 PM

Doc. If I may be so bold, I think that you would be much happier if you made your trip in two Sections for 2 weeks at at time.

As you know I spent 38 years on the Sea of Cortez just in the Area that you are talking about. Once you are there and looking around you will see things that you just cannot pass by!!
Sta Teresa-- Lobster
San Antonio-- Lingcod
South of Pulpito-- White Lobster-Hot Water
Del Eldelfonso Isla- Birds Nest in states of Size,Amberjack, Sharks, Grouper, Yellowtail, and feed the Pelicans by hand in that little cave shown in the Photo
Stop at mercanerios and check out the Structure built by the "Fabians" of Canada
Coronado Ilsand{Where I can catch yellowtail anytime of the year]

Plus so many things in between.

Then on the Next r trip start south of Loreto all the way to Los Delores including Catalana island if the weather is good, Tambbechice, and the best fishing place in the World Las Animas Ilsand-Just a few miles off the point of Island San Jose.

I personaly prefer the Panga. You will have to be watchful off of Carmen, can get nasty for a small boat.
Take Plenty of Water!!!!!

Skeet

AcuDoc - 12-22-2008 at 02:07 PM

Tnx for all the suggestions, I will keep them all in mind the closer I get to heading south. I would prefer to do this in June as the weather/seas are calmer. I might have to push it back a year to do that. It depends on what time I can spend in Baja and what the schedules are of friends of mine have.

Hook - 12-22-2008 at 10:27 PM

ZThomas brings up a good point. Two REAL anchors with chain and rode are a must.

ZThomas, was that an older Mako you are on in those pics?

amirravon - 12-22-2008 at 10:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
What's a "CC"?



yup.. Center console

amirravon - 12-22-2008 at 10:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by amirravon
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
What's a "CC"?



yup.. Center console


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Skipjack Joe - 12-22-2008 at 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AcuDoc
Tnx for all the suggestions, .... I might have to push it back a year to do that. ...


Don't put it off, AcuDoc. Do it now. Let the future take care of itself. Don't wait for the right time. You've already made your plans. Go through with it. The careful ones never accomplish anything. Carpe diem.

"The fox provides for himself. but God provides for the lion."

[Edited on 12-23-2008 by Skipjack Joe]

Hook - 12-23-2008 at 06:04 AM

I agree with Joe, Larry.

Besides, if you DONT do it this year, you WILL be putting a whole nuther year of use on the engine and it's not getting any younger.

It would be interesting to get an estimate of the number of hours on it from Jim. Or, is there an internal hours meter on it?

Bob and Susan - 12-23-2008 at 06:31 AM

may is nice...
the water isn't warm yet though
probably no dorado but
plenty of other fish

there may be some south wind but
really not too much
it's not bad

we stayed on our boat for a month one year in may and
didn't have any problems with winds

may is the month when all the "snowbirds" leave
85 degrees is just too hot for the "northern peoples"

we wouldn't skip conception bay
naranjos is very close to the mouth
easy in and easy out
and there is a lot of pretty sights in the bay
you do not see from the road as you pass

we still warn you about weight
alot of people still think its the old days here and
getting supplies and gas is very hard
it isn't...

we'd still "buddy boat" this strech
it's safer
it IS still "wild" out there and
there is no "Vessel Assist" available

make sure you have a GOOD radio and antenna
and a "handheld" back-up
and a GPS for locations and distances

AcuDoc - 12-23-2008 at 10:32 AM

PJ
I don't know how many hours are on the motor but it is excellent condition. The motor has relatively low hours. I would say probably no more then 200 hours over the 5-6 years I've owned it if that. I have always maintained it with my mechanic every spring. You have been in my boat many times and know how it handles. It is at my mechanics this winter stored inside. I had him give the boat/motor the entire once over. He has checked all wiring, welded any leaks, all oil /lube, filters and I had him even replace the impeller just for the heck of it.

I'm going to add an additional automatic bilge pump wired directly to the battery as my emergency backup. You know the anchor I have on it now and I am planning on buying an additional fortress anchor due to the light weight.

I have the great radio that you bought me for Xmas a few years ago and I bought the top of the line antenna and have had great radio checks to 40 miles out of SC. I also have the handheld I bought from you.

I decided to buy "The Spot" when I first saw these last year. A great price for a great piece of survival equipment.

When time gets closer I'll ask people for their input on gas etc. Most of the boat weight will come from water and fuel. As a backpacker for years I know how to pack/carry lightweight supplies.

I have also decided to drive the truck/trailer to La Paz and make it a one way trip. On the way I'll stop at Los Naranjos, Loreto, P. Escondido and the La Paz marina and mark them with my GPS. I'll also ask the board for coordinates for Agua Verde and points south that others on the board have mentioned as good spot over points

Again thanks to all for your info. It is greatly appreciated

sourdough - 12-23-2008 at 11:33 AM

Dang, you're so organized you've taken a lot of fun out of the trip. Ever heard the saying, "Living on the edge!" Grab a bunch of supplies and go for it! Predicaments are what make a trip memorable.

AcuDoc - 12-23-2008 at 12:08 PM

I don't care if you are backpacking 100 miles out in the Sierras, which I've done many times, or out on the Sea of Cortez in any boat, especially a small boat

I follow one rule....

In nature if you screw up you die, Don't Break The Rule!

[Edited on 12-23-2008 by AcuDoc]

[Edited on 12-23-2008 by AcuDoc]

Barry A. - 12-23-2008 at 02:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sourdough
Dang, you're so organized you've taken a lot of fun out of the trip. Ever heard the saying, "Living on the edge!" Grab a bunch of supplies and go for it! Predicaments are what make a trip memorable.


That is a breathtaking statement-------Personally, I don't ever want "a lot of fun", or to "live on the edge" when I take any trip--------I fail to see any "fun" in dying, or coming close to it, just because of lack of planning and preparing.

That is NOT my cup of tea--------you have many others in your life that I think one should consider before commiting suicide, which in a sense, lack of planning is, in my humble opinion. (not to mention putting your rescuers in danger searching for you)

This will be a fantastic trip if the proper preparations are taken----a potential disaster if not.

To each his own, I suppose.

Barry

ZThomas - 12-23-2008 at 05:55 PM

Hook,

Yep, a 19 that my parents bought new in New Orleans in 1969. Hell of a boat.

Here's a link to a little essay about it from Salt Water Sportsman back in 2002:

http://bajatrailerboating.com/main_pages/heirloom.html

ZT

805gregg - 12-23-2008 at 06:46 PM

Just a thought, since the mexicans, live and work on the water there, some for their whole lives, what is the average size of the pangas they use?

AcuDoc - 12-23-2008 at 07:12 PM

Others will know for sure but I believe 22-24 feet

The Heirloom

Skipjack Joe - 12-23-2008 at 08:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ZThomas
Hook,

Yep, a 19 that my parents bought new in New Orleans in 1969. Hell of a boat.

Here's a link to a little essay about it from Salt Water Sportsman back in 2002:

http://bajatrailerboating.com/main_pages/heirloom.html

ZT


I enjoyed reading this very much, ZThomas.

gnukid - 12-23-2008 at 10:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
Just a thought, since the mexicans, live and work on the water there, some for their whole lives, what is the average size of the pangas they use?


20, 22, 23, 25, 27

20 is a runabout, 22 or 23 is the most common apparently because it works well in the distance of the chop. 27 is for tourism or charter fishing.

The traditional Pangas were the Mac Shroyer model of La Paz, now there are makers using similar molds in Los Barriles, La Paz and in the North. Many Pangas are made in Sinaloa and brought over by shipment. The typical 22 hull with nothing is about $30,000-40,000 pesos. A hull with tanks, bulkhead, center console, railings and bait tanks can run up to $150,000 mn pesos.

There are many pangas sitting around that could be bought for 10,000-20,000 mn and its possible to find one and have it refurbished and customized. Most Pangas use smaller motors 40-90hp since its easier to launch and use less fuel.

The problem with pangas is they really have no floatation unless you build in floatation tanks, they have no scuppers or drain systems by default and they are narrow about 4 feet wide or less, so they roll with the waves and can roll over or take on water and sink. They are wet boats and not very comfy, but perfect for the job if you can handle it.

AcuDoc - 12-23-2008 at 11:22 PM

great info tnx

Hook - 12-24-2008 at 11:26 AM

Enjoyable read about the Mako, Z.

I owned a 22 cuddy for a few years. 1989 model. I was always really impressed with how it cut through chop and how dry the bowflare kept me. It had a 110 gal tank. I guess the extra length made it much drier. I also think they modified the hulls in the late 70s or 80s and added chines that helped it ride on the surface a little better. Still had the deep V up front, though.

I love Makos. There is a late 70s, 25 footer over here in Sonora that someone is letting go cheap cause his Ficht has finally died for the umpteenth and last time. CC, and it needs some cosmetic work but I would love to turn it into a pure fishing platform.

But convincing the wife that I NEED a Mako AND a Skipjack is probably a losing game.........

Skeet/Loreto - 12-24-2008 at 11:32 AM

22 Ft Schoyer 1976 Model-Purchas2 price 970.00 US. Dollars-Built in La Paz.

I started out with a 55 Homelite, then a 48 Mercury and then to a 70 hp which I thought was perfect.

I owned this Panga and operated for 27 years out of Loreto.
Yes, it does get you wet, but by a large amount it is the safest and best for operating on theCortez. It was designed to bring 2,000 Lbs of fish through the Pacific Surf, which it does very safely

I have been in some very rough water including a Whip Storm in my Panga, I still feel very safe and would recommend it to anyone that is going to spend time including Nitestays on the Cortez.

Skeet/Loreto

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805gregg - 12-24-2008 at 12:08 PM

My thoughts exactly, I've spent 25 years traveling out to the local Channel Islands, about 20 miles off shore. I used to take my 20' out there but given that it can get real rough very quickly up here, I would consider a 20' the minimum size for open water. I now have a 26' and have been in some bad conditions but did not worry, size does matter. If you take your 16' I would stay close to shore and be careful.

AcuDoc - 12-24-2008 at 02:29 PM

Thanks greg
I plan on staying within 10 miles of the coast for the most part. Hook had been on my boat many times and Pescador used to own it. It's a great boat.....just Don't Break The Rule...

Skeet/Loreto - 12-24-2008 at 03:55 PM

Again:

"If you hear Thunder and see no Clouds", get to the nearest land and Safety.

LaTijereta - 12-24-2008 at 04:13 PM

Here is my 1982 Schoyer 22' panga.. Still running after 26 years.. Equiped with a 40gal center tank.
From Loreto it has been up north to Bahia Kino and south to La Paz/ Las Arenas ..
It can be a "wet" boat, but damm we have had alot of fun on it!

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