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Paving Over Paradise

Bajahowodd - 1-13-2009 at 04:58 PM

David placed a post in a thread dealing with the possible delay in the building of the big port facility at Colonet. He noted that projects on the peninsula, except for the Cabo area always seem to get delayed. And that's a good thing.

He got me to thinking, and lamenting Cabo. Probably some folks here that go back before I do, but my first encounter with Cabo was 1985.

As I recall, San Lucas had three hotels on the water. Solmar, Finesterra, and The Hacienda. Construction was underway up Medano Beach for what would become Club Cascadas. North of there stood Twin Dolphin, Hotel Cabo San Lucas, and Palmilla. In San Jose, there were a couple of motel-like places, and the El Presidente. Today, it's looking more like Cancun, with practically every meter of oceanfront covered by development. I think Cancun wins the prize for the most hotel rooms, mainly because they did not have a height limitation as did Cabo. Not so sure Cabo still does, however, since the project that has replaced the Hacienda looks to stand seven or eight stories.

If you wanted to shop, you were pretty much at the mercy of Aramburo and his big time market in Supermercado Plaza, as well as a really dumpy location in San Jose. Go shopping today, you don't know where to start. Soriana's has a couple of stores, as well as their City Club warehouse. CCC has a big box, as does Commercial Mexicano. There's Wal-Mart, Sam's Club, Costco, Home Depot, Office Depot. Not sure I have them all. Traffic sucks.

I know of and value so many as yet unspoiled places on Baja. But Cabo, before the assault, was as beautiful a place as one could ever hope to see.

Cabo San Lucas, July/1966

David K - 1-13-2009 at 05:05 PM

My first trip there... all the way by road down the peninsula... in a Jeep Wagoneer (I was 8). That's my dad helping pull the panga on the beach in front of the Hacienda (the only hotel then).

There was a fish cannery and pier where today's harbor entrance is. The town of San Lucas had maybe 1,000 people.

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1966

David K - 1-13-2009 at 05:06 PM

Hasn't changed much...

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1966

David K - 1-13-2009 at 05:08 PM

My first dorado (dolphinfish), right off the cape, in a panga!

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Bajahowodd - 1-13-2009 at 05:46 PM

Amazing. And funny thing is the old tuna cannery building is still there.

Cancun is now grotesque

Skipjack Joe - 1-13-2009 at 06:17 PM



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Bajahowodd - 1-13-2009 at 07:50 PM

To say the least. Traffic is like NYC. I still love the area, and when I go there, I head for isla Mujeres.

Cardon - 1-13-2009 at 07:55 PM

Here's a picture that I took around 1980-82




David--you were a cute young buck!!

BajaVida - 1-13-2009 at 08:36 PM


estebanis - 1-13-2009 at 10:09 PM

I lived there from 1984-1985 then back from 1987-1991. We lived as one of the only american familys. I had kids in the El Camino school on the hill. Cabo was a wonderful place then. I remember the day the Gigling Marlin caught fire from some dumb guy shooting a flare gun and catching the palapa roof on fire.
My wife talks about how she had to go to many different stores to get supplies. When the Arambruro's opened an American Style Supermarket with air conditioning and the Marina opened it all changed...
Esteban

David K - 1-13-2009 at 10:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by estebanis
I lived there from 1984-1985 then back from 1987-1991. We lived as one of the only american familys. I had kids in the El Camino school on the hill. Cabo was a wonderful place then. I remember the day the Gigling Marlin caught fire from some dumb guy shooting a flare gun and catching the palapa roof on fire.
My wife talks about how she had to go to many different stores to get supplies. When the Arambruro's opened an American Style Supermarket with air conditioning and the Marina opened it all changed...
Esteban


Did you know the Crawfords?

David K - 1-13-2009 at 10:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaVida


You are too kind sir!:spingrin:

Bajahowodd - 1-13-2009 at 11:29 PM

I'm certain that there are at least an equal number of folks who would lament the development of Puerto Vallarta. Unfortunately, although we grew to love the primitive versions of these places, the developments have been an economic boon to our friends, the people of Mexico. Let's not forget the awful economic conditions these folks endured in spite of the gains of much of the world in the 20th century.

Bajahowodd - 1-13-2009 at 11:30 PM

And Cardon- Loved the picture. Maybe they should have never dregged the marina.

BajaGringo - 1-13-2009 at 11:51 PM

I am sure that we could say the same about many gorgeous destinations on this planet. Hopefully in the ongoing dialogue a compromise can be found where a balance of the natural beauty is maintained while economic opportunities are developed to provide jobs to those here who struggle to provide for their families.

Beautiful, undeveloped coastlines mean very little to someone struggling to just to keep a roof over his families head, food on the table, pay for medical care, school supplies, etc. This is Mexico and its people have the right to seek their own economic dreams, just as those of us from NOB did, our parents and grandparents did.

We do not have some God-given right in that regard that is exclusively ours.

But what do I know.

(Rant Over)

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Edited on 1-14-2009 by BajaGringo]

tigerdog - 1-14-2009 at 04:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I know of and value so many as yet unspoiled places on Baja. But Cabo, before the assault, was as beautiful a place as one could ever hope to see.


Yes, it was beautiful indeed. Sigh.

A trip down memory lane... Mr. tigerdog and I moved to Cabo around 1988, lived in Cabo Bello for a while-- which was considered waaaay out of town at the time, lol. We didn't have to lock our doors or worry about crime at all, and friends were wont to make themselves comfortable when we weren't home, raiding the refrigerator and leaving funny notes tacked to the door if we didn't arrive before they left. It was all A-OK. We hung around a few years, left, came back, and left for good around 1994 or '95. The arrival of KFC was too depressing.

At that time Club Cascadas was the only resort on Medano Beach, and what a gem it was before it was surrounded by the BIG resorts that are there now. The Aramburo plaza was not yet built, but there was a great little beer deposito right across the street that we used to frequent with some regularity. Remember when the hotels in town used to pretty much shut down in the summer time? And horses wandered down Marina Blvd. without any danger of being run down because the town was so empty? I remember a friend stopping his car on Marina Blvd. to say Hi to us, not another car in site for miles; he got a ticket for "wild parking".

Remember when Cabo Mil first went on the air? Hot stuff! And the incredible solar eclipse of 1991? That was a whole body experience I'll never forget.

For a time I wrote a regular column (under a pseudonym) for one of the local rags-- it was published by Cliff Ferguson and Kaki Bassi. That was pre-Gringo Gazette, which had just arrived in town a few issues before we left for good.

My favorite eateries were: El Pollo de Oro (best chicken and ribs in town, and very nice people who ran it); the Taqueria del Chef; the Trailer Park; Senor Sushi (best place in town to watch the world go by); La Casa del Dorado (best breakfast in town); Mama's; Mi Casa; Romeo & Julieta's; and of course Latitude 22, which famously advertised itself as being 1 block from the sewage pumping station. Is Mike Gryzanich (sp?) still around? For a while, in those earlier days, there was a restaurant at the Marina Sol that served outstanding fried chicken and barbecued beef sandwiches; the Marina Sol was quite the oasis at the time, AND they had a TV (which we lacked), so we would spend an evening there snacking, drinking Pacifico and watching whatever was on the air. I remember watching a movie about a lifeguard starring a young Sam Elliott, possibly the worst movie he ever made. Do I remember it because it was my introduction to Sam Elliott or because I hadn't seen TV in a couple of weeks?

When Plaza las Glorias was being built (now Tesoro del Cabo I believe), for entertainment we sometimes spent a lazy afternoon kicking back at the old El Coral across the street (before they built that huge palapa), joking about OSHA and idly wondering what the building was going to be. Watching the dredging of the harbor was another way to while away an hour or two.

When your options are limited, you take your pleasures where you can find them. ;)

I loved Cabo back then. Haven't been back in many many years.

If you've made it this far, thanks for listening to the nostalgia of this old broad. ;)

Paulclark - 1-14-2009 at 06:53 AM

Hopefully the climate with fog on the west coast and wind on the east coast can keep the development localized in the Cabo area for may years and the rest of baja can maintain its' splendor for many more years.

Skeet/Loreto - 1-14-2009 at 08:03 AM

1967 Approached through the Cut whre the Finsterra Hotel is, landed on the Small strip behind the Only Hotel at that time. The old Cannery still there.

It was beautiful!
Also landed at Loreto and ended up there for many years. Now, as some claim, Loreto will be another Cabo.. I hope not!

There are still many, many isolated spots in Baja Sur. You just have to be willing to seek out the Isolation and do with out all those things you have in the States.

Take a Panga trip from Loreto South to La Paz. You will be surpised.

Skeet/Loreto

BajaDove - 1-14-2009 at 08:36 AM

We used to RV on the beach between the Hacienda hotel and the Disco (Las Palmas?) You can't drive there now.
Rv'ers that parked there felt they added to the community, shopping.
One day we were talking to a person of vision He told us it was to the point if you weren't spending $300 a day. you weren't really wanted.
I dread going there now. Even with all the shopping We still only spend $100.

DianaT - 1-14-2009 at 10:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
I am sure that we could say the same about many gorgeous destinations on this planet. Hopefully in the ongoing dialogue a compromise can be found where a balance of the natural beauty is maintained while economic opportunities are developed to provide jobs to those here who struggle to provide for their families.

Beautiful, undeveloped coastlines mean very little to someone struggling to just to keep a roof over his families head, food on the table, pay for medical care, school supplies, etc. This is Mexico and its people have the right to seek their own economic dreams, just as those of us from NOB did, our parents and grandparents did.

We do not have some God-given right in that regard that is exclusively ours.

But what do I know.

(Rant Over)

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Edited on 1-14-2009 by BajaGringo]


Good rant. :yes::yes:



[Edited on 1-14-2009 by jdtrotter]

Bajahowodd - 1-14-2009 at 11:52 AM

Tigerdog-
Mike Grzanich is still the owner, but he moved the restaurant to a spot about two miles out of town, behind the power station. And now, you can go back. KFC closed last year!

makana.gabriel - 1-14-2009 at 12:32 PM

Wow! I'm getting a rush of memories from all these posts.
Like Bajahowodd, my first time driving to Cabo was in '86. We went down for the eclipse in '91 and moved there permanently a couple of months later. My wife bought down the old Ensenada Sun, Mike Bircumshaw's paper, and was doing some writing and selling. I remember Senior Sushi well. It really was THE place to be seen! lol
Once a month or so, we would drive up to La Paz for major grocery shopping. And let's not forget how everytime any of us drove up to the states, we always carried a list of things to bring back for others.
Not knowing what Cabo was like in the '70s or before, we just thought it was great but for many oldtimers of the day, it was already ruined and many were heading down to Costa Rica.

mtgoat666 - 1-14-2009 at 12:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I know of and value so many as yet unspoiled places on Baja. But Cabo, before the assault, was as beautiful a place as one could ever hope to see.


Always look on the bright side of life!
Look forward, young man, do not dwell in the past.

Manifest Destiny! (and what about Destiny's child? :lol: )

Yes we can!

Peace out!

Heather - 1-14-2009 at 01:43 PM

I didn't start my Cabo trips till the early 90's. My sister worked, still does, for Alaska Airlines and they must have started flying down at the end of the 80's. I missed the eclipse, but she was there.

My hubby is from La Paz, but his dad shipped him off to the grandparents in Cabo, in his early teens. His grandparents lived on Playa Medano, at the end of the Hacienda Hotel. I think the house is now gone, but it was there until a few years ago. It was a big place, to accomodate his 15 aunts and uncles. His grandfather had his "taller" right on the beach, in front of the house. That is where he built the "Juanita" fishing fleet.

I don't know when they moved up to town, but ended up with a big plot of land, on the same street where Mocambo's is currently at. There is still an aunt living there, and some other aunts and uncles around the corner.

His stories of growing up at the beach include sneaking over to the disco's on the beach (The Office, etc.), and then sleeping on the roof of the house, and then having to get up early to go fishing! Guess they launched the boats from the sand out in front.

Although there have been many changes in Cabo, and I've witnessed a few since I started going in the early 90's, I still love the feel of the place. When we go down there for the summer, we always have somewhere to go and someone to visit. There's always a quincinera, wedding, or baptism that we're inivited to, and I always feel so welcome. Even though, my husband has been living up here for the past 10 years, he still gets hollered at at every corner, and recognizes many people walking down the street. I guess it still feels like home!!

Enough of my reminiscence, let me get back to work! Saludos, Heather

tigerdog - 1-14-2009 at 02:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cardon
Here's a picture that I took around 1980-82


Cardon, here's your wonderful picture slightly cleaned up. Hope you don't mind. I'll take it down if you want, but I admit I had fun doing it. :) What a great shot!


osoflojo - 1-14-2009 at 03:28 PM

Since many of you remember the Sr Sushi, you may be interested to know that Pedro Tocino aka Peter Bacon is back in town and plays regularly at Mike's Lattitude 22 Roadhouse.

DianaT - 1-14-2009 at 04:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666


Always look on the bright side of life!
Look forward, young man, do not dwell in the past.



“My interest is in the future because I am going to spend the rest of my life there”
Charles F. Kettering

BajaGringo - 1-14-2009 at 05:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jdtrotter
“My interest is in the future because I am going to spend the rest of my life there”
Charles F. Kettering


I have hopes of visiting the future one day...

:):):)

Sharksbaja - 1-14-2009 at 05:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tigerdog
Quote:
Originally posted by Cardon
Here's a picture that I took around 1980-82


Cardon, here's your wonderful picture slightly cleaned up. Hope you don't mind. I'll take it down if you want, but I admit I had fun doing it. :) What a great shot!


You're good tigerdog!:smug:

805gregg - 1-14-2009 at 07:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Hasn't changed much...


I went by there in Sept, there were countless boats, PWC's and people on the beach, it's changed alot. Looked like a zoo.

estebanis - 1-14-2009 at 08:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by estebanis
I lived there from 1984-1985 then back from 1987-1991. We lived as one of the only american familys. I had kids in the El Camino school on the hill. Cabo was a wonderful place then. I remember the day the Gigling Marlin caught fire from some dumb guy shooting a flare gun and catching the palapa roof on fire.
My wife talks about how she had to go to many different stores to get supplies. When the Arambruro's opened an American Style Supermarket with air conditioning and the Marina opened it all changed...
Esteban


Did you know the Crawfords?


What were there first names and more importantly the name they used on channel 22 or 88 VHF? Where did they live and what was the name of their boat!
Esteban

estebanis - 1-14-2009 at 08:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tigerdog
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I know of and value so many as yet unspoiled places on Baja. But Cabo, before the assault, was as beautiful a place as one could ever hope to see.


Yes, it was beautiful indeed. Sigh.

A trip down memory lane... Mr. tigerdog and I moved to Cabo around 1988, lived in Cabo Bello for a while-- which was considered waaaay out of town at the time, lol. We didn't have to lock our doors or worry about crime at all, and friends were wont to make themselves comfortable when we weren't home, raiding the refrigerator and leaving funny notes tacked to the door if we didn't arrive before they left. It was all A-OK. We hung around a few years, left, came back, and left for good around 1994 or '95. The arrival of KFC was too depressing.

At that time Club Cascadas was the only resort on Medano Beach, and what a gem it was before it was surrounded by the BIG resorts that are there now. The Aramburo plaza was not yet built, but there was a great little beer deposito right across the street that we used to frequent with some regularity. Remember when the hotels in town used to pretty much shut down in the summer time? And horses wandered down Marina Blvd. without any danger of being run down because the town was so empty? I remember a friend stopping his car on Marina Blvd. to say Hi to us, not another car in site for miles; he got a ticket for "wild parking".

Remember when Cabo Mil first went on the air? Hot stuff! And the incredible solar eclipse of 1991? That was a whole body experience I'll never forget.

For a time I wrote a regular column (under a pseudonym) for one of the local rags-- it was published by Cliff Ferguson and Kaki Bassi. That was pre-Gringo Gazette, which had just arrived in town a few issues before we left for good.

My favorite eateries were: El Pollo de Oro (best chicken and ribs in town, and very nice people who ran it); the Taqueria del Chef; the Trailer Park; Senor Sushi (best place in town to watch the world go by); La Casa del Dorado (best breakfast in town); Mama's; Mi Casa; Romeo & Julieta's; and of course Latitude 22, which famously advertised itself as being 1 block from the sewage pumping station. Is Mike Gryzanich (sp?) still around? For a while, in those earlier days, there was a restaurant at the Marina Sol that served outstanding fried chicken and barbecued beef sandwiches; the Marina Sol was quite the oasis at the time, AND they had a TV (which we lacked), so we would spend an evening there snacking, drinking Pacifico and watching whatever was on the air. I remember watching a movie about a lifeguard starring a young Sam Elliott, possibly the worst movie he ever made. Do I remember it because it was my introduction to Sam Elliott or because I hadn't seen TV in a couple of weeks?

When Plaza las Glorias was being built (now Tesoro del Cabo I believe), for entertainment we sometimes spent a lazy afternoon kicking back at the old El Coral across the street (before they built that huge palapa), joking about OSHA and idly wondering what the building was going to be. Watching the dredging of the harbor was another way to while away an hour or two.

When your options are limited, you take your pleasures where you can find them. ;)

I loved Cabo back then. Haven't been back in many many years.

If you've made it this far, thanks for listening to the nostalgia of this old broad. ;)


We were there at the same time for sure! My daughter did an ad on Cabo Mil. There was a gal that did an english news report daily. I lived in the employee complex across the highway from Hotel Cabo San Lucas at Chileno next to the air strip. My wife Gail , Angie and Molly. I repaired the yachts in the bay and went by the call sign "Esteban" on the VHF

Don Alley - 1-14-2009 at 11:18 PM

I can visit Baja's past anytime I want, because I have a Time Machine to take me there.

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Bajahowodd - 1-14-2009 at 11:40 PM

Whenever one seems to encounter paradise, they tell others. And paradise becomes a parking lot. So in the future, cierra la boca.

DianaT - 1-14-2009 at 11:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
I can visit Baja's past anytime I want, because I have a Time Machine to take me there.


Be very careful---some people get stuck there. :lol::lol:

Diane

CaboRon - 1-15-2009 at 08:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
I can visit Baja's past anytime I want, because I have a Time Machine to take me there.


And how cool is that :bounce:

CaboRon

David K - 1-15-2009 at 08:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by estebanis
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by estebanis
I lived there from 1984-1985 then back from 1987-1991. We lived as one of the only american familys. I had kids in the El Camino school on the hill. Cabo was a wonderful place then. I remember the day the Gigling Marlin caught fire from some dumb guy shooting a flare gun and catching the palapa roof on fire.
My wife talks about how she had to go to many different stores to get supplies. When the Arambruro's opened an American Style Supermarket with air conditioning and the Marina opened it all changed...
Esteban


Did you know the Crawfords?


What were there first names and more importantly the name they used on channel 22 or 88 VHF? Where did they live and what was the name of their boat!
Esteban


They weren't yachties... they helped build the Finisterra... their son (Cornell) was born there... and sadly, he was killed there about 6 years ago... He was a very friendly fellow we all met at BBBB4... went by the handle 'Chopy', and earlier as 'El Surfo Loco' or ESL. He was the legal owner of land at Cabo Pulmo and had an endless struggle with squatters who apparently were friends with the government in La Paz. Chopy lost the battle, and his killers are still free (as far as I know). Local authorities in San Jose del Cabo called the death an accident, I think?

Photo of Chopy with Michelle ('M') Sept., 2002:


estebanis - 1-15-2009 at 06:34 PM

David,
Don't remember him,Sorry. Mike Parr was the owner of most the Parr property as he was born there also. He passed away in a tragic drug related death.
Esteban

David K - 1-15-2009 at 06:50 PM

Sad stuff...

dtbushpilot - 1-15-2009 at 09:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
Quote:
Originally posted by jdtrotter
“My interest is in the future because I am going to spend the rest of my life there”
Charles F. Kettering


I have hopes of visiting the future one day...

:):):)


How about tomorrow?.....dt

BajaGringo - 1-15-2009 at 10:14 PM

OK, I am setting my alarm clock for 6:00 AM, will put on my Kevlar and we'll see what happens.

I'll report back if I make it back home alive...