BajaNomad - Tijuana cartel war over

Tijuana cartel war over

JESSE - 1-15-2009 at 11:48 AM

The buzz is that the war is over, no more nasty executions in public, decapitations, etc. Apparently the two factions where given an ultimatum by the federal goverment, stop, or military death squads will be unleashed to clean out both sides for good. Members of organized crime have been given orders to stop gruesome killings, and warned by their bosses that those that do not respect orders, will be severely punished.

Looks like the region might be in for some calmer days.

BajaGringo - 1-15-2009 at 11:49 AM

Great, I am going out for a fish taco now that it's safe. Who's joining me???

mulegemichael - 1-15-2009 at 11:51 AM

riiiiigggghhhhhttt....

Sharksbaja - 1-15-2009 at 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Great, I am going out for a fish taco now that it's safe. Who's joining me???

I will!

[Edited on 1-15-2009 by Sharksbaja]

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Woooosh - 1-15-2009 at 12:08 PM

Mexican military death sqauds.... are you sure you didn't get this story mixed up with Star Wars storm troopers? In the face of the threat of Martial Law- the narcos have suddenly reformed themselves? It would be about as peaceful as Israel and Hamas during their cease fires, IMHO. There is no trust, and will be no trust. Why would there be?

Even if true, it only turns the clock back a year to when Calderon declared war on the narcos- without understanding how deep the corruption problem was or that there were not enough willing, honest men to take on and win the fight. It does nothing to resolve the underlying problems.

Besides, it's just too late for a meaningful truce to save Mexicos economy (even if it was done at 100% success)when the economic factors (including the peso) are tied so close to security factors. The narcos were only one-half the criminal activity (the other half is the non-narcotics extrortion and kidnappings rings). It's also too late because the world has moved on to more serious problems than anything that happens in Mexico right now. Serious geo-political-economical problmes that make Mexico look like oz in comparison.

Stoppin crime is necessary, but in itself can't pull Mexico out of it's death spiral. The economic pressure from job losses and the peso devaluations will cause crime to increase. It'll be like telling the gladiators of Rome to take a month off while the people leave the stadium to fight it out in the streets.

On the Mexican news they interviewed TJ cab drivers upset that the price of gas went UP by 40 pesos this week while going down stateside.

We are all getting fleeced. All Airlines now have fuel prices a fraction of what they were last summer- but no relief from those "fuel surcharges" or "baggage handling fees" is in sight. Same for the"increased transportations costs" that were used to justify food price increases. Prices go up fast- and come back down slowly if at all.

[Edited on 1-15-2009 by Woooosh]

Bajahowodd - 1-15-2009 at 12:10 PM

If true, it would be good news. I always felt like Calderone naively walked up to a hornet's nest and smacked it with a baseball bat. What did he expect?

burnrope - 1-15-2009 at 12:18 PM

I'm sure that there aren't any Narco's in those Military death squads.

mikeintj - 1-15-2009 at 12:19 PM

Huh?

Why weren't the military death squads unleashed in the beginning? Why doesn't Calderon want to clean out the drug cartels for good?

Does this mean the cartels are now allowed to go about their business unhindered by the authorities?

longlegsinlapaz - 1-15-2009 at 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
The buzz is that the war is over, no more nasty executions in public, decapitations, etc. Apparently the two factions where given an ultimatum by the federal goverment, stop, or military death squads will be unleashed to clean out both sides for good. Members of organized crime have been given orders to stop gruesome killings, and warned by their bosses that those that do not respect orders, will be severely punished.

Looks like the region might be in for some calmer days.

Jesse, respectfully....all this says to me is that the Government condones the cartels. I personally don't believe "peaceful co-existence" is possible. Any thoughts on why the Feds issued this ultimatum/warning, rather than simply having "unleashed military death squads to clean out both sides for good"? There is a HUGE economic incentive for a certain portion of the population to perpetuate illegal drug activity & the trickle-down effect benefits a larger population, tainted money or not. I know, if you need $$ to feed & house your family, the source is irrelevant to many.

As opposed as I am to drugs & all the negative downstream effects they perpetuate, I'm not foolish enough to believe that illegal drugs will ever be eradicated from any country on earth, so to me "for good" part of that ultimatum is ludicrous. As is attempting to impose "rules" on illegal activity!

Who in their right mind would expect the cartel to "play nice" whether it came as an ultimatum, or with a pretty please attached? :no:

Bajahowodd - 1-15-2009 at 12:24 PM

As George W. Bush would say, Calderone misunderestimated the scope of the problem. Calderone took office being largely unliked(sound familiar?) So, it only makes sense that there are many who would seek to undermine his presidency.

Sharksbaja - 1-15-2009 at 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by burnrope
I'm sure that there aren't any Narco's in those Military death squads.

I think you're starting to understand.

BajaGringo - 1-15-2009 at 12:36 PM

Does mean that fish tacos are off???

:biggrin:

Woooosh - 1-15-2009 at 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja

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Originally posted by burnrope
I'm sure that there aren't any Narco's in those Military death squads.

I think you're starting to understand.

Yup. The end result will be one cartel left in charge of everything- and they will call it the Mexican Governement with its corruption and warts intact. With oil, border tourism, the pesos and incoming remittances all down- where else will the money come from? And besides- they want and need the drug DOLLARS, not pesos.

Mexico had two choices- to be a failed state or a narco state. It just chose the less of two evils- if this story is even true.

BajaGringo - 1-15-2009 at 12:39 PM

As much as I hate to admit it, I believe there is a lot of truth in what you say...

flyfishinPam - 1-15-2009 at 12:39 PM

is there a reference available for this "buzz"?

Bajahowodd - 1-15-2009 at 12:58 PM

Didn't they used to call it PRI?

flyfishinPam - 1-15-2009 at 01:00 PM

I'm not through reading the opinion piece that was linked above but I have been following this site http://narcotraficoenmexico.blogspot.com/ (caution, graphic at times)
since early august 2007 when my brother in law, a taxi driver, was murdered in guerrero state. I found it when I was searching for the details of his death and it was reported here and in other places. If any drug related murders take place in TJ or anywhere else in Mexico you'll be sure to find out about them in this blog (Spanish, called "Narcotráfico en México")

flyfishinPam - 1-15-2009 at 01:09 PM

weird first i got this link http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldetijuana/notas/n1005529.htm
the opinion piece but now it leads to this one http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldetijuana/notas/n1005528.htm I guess you fixed the link? Good because I didn't see anything in reference to this situation in the first link. but this new link described the murder to five people. I'm wondering where a reference can be found with the encouraging news that Jesse describes.

in case you were wondering the poster that this is directed to deleted their post.

[Edited on 1-15-2009 by flyfishinPam]

movinguy - 1-15-2009 at 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Does mean that fish tacos are off???

I think the cartels already embraced the fish tacos - just need to work on the peace and love part . . .

Sharksbaja - 1-15-2009 at 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja

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Originally posted by burnrope
I'm sure that there aren't any Narco's in those Military death squads.

I think you're starting to understand.

Yes, it would be nice to get back to normal :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 1-15-2009 at 01:40 PM

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If the federal government has this much influence, why didn't they use it five years ago!!! It's called damage control but, it may be too late. They have screwed themselves.

Translating spanish articles

Bronco - 1-15-2009 at 01:49 PM

Go to Google-language tools and look for translate page.
Besure its from Spanish to English.

Take the http// address that you have copied and paste it into the translate page line. THEN check to make sure you don't have http// http// in the begin of the url, you probably will so just erase the first one and hit translate.

Works like a dream.

flyfishinPam - 1-15-2009 at 01:51 PM

OK here's how to solve this situation. I see up there somewhere that the narcos want and save DOLLARS. time to re-issue the dollars so that look different and need to be exchanged or deposited in a bank. won't this move make those narco dollars worth less the paper they're printed on? poof! there goes their net worth at least their liquid assets anyway.

fdt - 1-15-2009 at 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

On the Mexican news they interviewed TJ cab drivers upset that the price of gas went UP by 40 pesos this week while going down stateside.

Why must you distort the news so much? :?:

DianaT - 1-15-2009 at 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Great, I am going out for a fish taco now that it's safe. Who's joining me???

With that new face and those really ugly glasses, are you kidding? :lol:

Diane

mulegemichael - 1-15-2009 at 02:19 PM

40 pesos or 4 pesos?????

BajaGringo - 1-15-2009 at 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by jdtrotter

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Great, I am going out for a fish taco now that it's safe. Who's joining me???

With that new face and those really ugly glasses, are you kidding? :lol:

Diane

Hey!!! Corky made them for me...

:rolleyes:

DianaT - 1-15-2009 at 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo

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Originally posted by jdtrotter

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Great, I am going out for a fish taco now that it's safe. Who's joining me???

With that new face and those really ugly glasses, are you kidding? :lol:

Diane

Hey!!! Corky made them for me...

:rolleyes:

Giorgio Armani and other designers are very safe. :lol:

Making deals with criminals isn't influence

Dave - 1-15-2009 at 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
If the federal government has this much influence, why didn't they use it five years ago!!!

It's corruption and cowardice. The isn't a plea bargain because the cartels will still continue to operate. This is morality turned on its ear. But it is typical Mexico. :mad:

Woooosh - 1-15-2009 at 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
40 pesos or 4 pesos?????

sorry- typo. 4

Woooosh - 1-15-2009 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by fdt

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Originally posted by Woooosh

On the Mexican news they interviewed TJ cab drivers upset that the price of gas went UP by 40 pesos this week while going down stateside.

Why must you distort the news so much? :?:

Sorry. 4 pesos. The point is gas is getting more expensive here when they just said they were going to stabilize the price, lower electircit rates for businesses and decrease natural gas by 10% for everyone. Or was that distorted?

oxxo - 1-15-2009 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Looks like the region might be in for some calmer days.

No need to speculate amigos, only time will tell.

BajaGringo - 1-15-2009 at 03:56 PM

Well damn them. I am hungry and going out for fish tacos...

DENNIS - 1-15-2009 at 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

It's corruption and cowardice. The isn't a plea bargain because the cartels will still continue to operate. This is morality turned on its ear. But it is typical Mexico. :mad:

I thought I was being facetious. I look at it as I would see a man shaking hands with himself.

CaboRon - 1-15-2009 at 04:42 PM

It doesn't speak of eliminating murders,

Just gruesome ones such as the beheadings.

So they can still kill ,

Aparently sanctioned by the Mexican gov't.

CaboRon

Oso - 1-15-2009 at 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by Bronco
Go to Google-language tools and look for translate page.
Besure its from Spanish to English.

Take the http// address that you have copied and paste it into the translate page line. THEN check to make sure you don't have http// http// in the begin of the url, you probably will so just erase the first one and hit translate.

Works like a dream.

Like a dream? Yeah, after an extra large pepperoni/anchovy/pickle/jalapeno pizza for a midnight snack maybe... :lol:

DENNIS - 1-15-2009 at 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Oso
Like a dream? Yeah, after an extra large pepperoni/anchovy/pickle/jalapeno pizza for a midnight snack maybe... :lol:

buuuuuurrrrpp

Woooosh - 1-15-2009 at 06:32 PM

I like this anti-crime police technique for the young ones...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mex...

tjBill - 1-15-2009 at 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I like this anti-crime police technique for the young ones...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mex...

Police spray painting kids who spray paint. :lol:

That would sure help to get rid of some of the graffiti in Tijuana.

DENNIS - 1-15-2009 at 06:44 PM

ya'll crazy

Woooosh - 1-15-2009 at 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by tjBill

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I like this anti-crime police technique for the young ones...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mex...

Police spray painting kids who spray paint. :lol:

That would sure help to get rid of some of the graffiti in Tijuana.

Tijuana's nothing- you should see how marked-up the rest of the worlds cities are.

JESSE - 1-15-2009 at 07:58 PM

http://www.riodoce.com.mx/content/view/1216/1/

fdt - 1-15-2009 at 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by fdt

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Originally posted by Woooosh

On the Mexican news they interviewed TJ cab drivers upset that the price of gas went UP by 40 pesos this week while going down stateside.

Why must you distort the news so much? :?:

Since you ask "Or was that distorted?" Yes, it was. The price went up .40 ¢, that is mexican cents and today at about 14 pesos to 1 dollar it translates to .02857 ¢US and at 3.785 liters to a gallon the increase in dollars was .1081 US cents in each gallon.

BajaGringo - 1-15-2009 at 08:45 PM

Less than 11 cents? San Diego's gas has gone up more than that the past few weeks so I guess it is no big deal...

robrt8 - 1-15-2009 at 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Less than 11 cents? San Diego's gas has gone up more than that the past few weeks so I guess it is no big deal...

San Diego gas prices will return to their former glory late this Spring.

BajaGringo - 1-15-2009 at 10:06 PM

From your lips to to the oil cartels ears...

:lol:

Hook - 1-16-2009 at 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Less than 11 cents? San Diego's gas has gone up more than that the past few weeks so I guess it is no big deal...

It appears that was .10+ CENTS not dollars.

So, not less than 11 CENTS, a little over 1 CENT per gallon.

BajaGringo - 1-16-2009 at 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by Hook

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Less than 11 cents? San Diego's gas has gone up more than that the past few weeks so I guess it is no big deal...

It appears that was .10+ CENTS not dollars.

So, not less than 11 CENTS, a little over 1 CENT per gallon.

OK, now you made me put on my glasses....

flyfishinPam - 1-16-2009 at 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
http://www.riodoce.com.mx/content/view/1216/1/

thank you for a reference. interesting comments at the bottom of the article, nfm

flyfishinPam - 1-16-2009 at 01:23 PM

"Uno de los acuerdos es que seguirán las ejecuciones que ya estaban “pendientes” y que son secuela de otros casos de “ajustes de cuentas”, pero no habría asesinatos adicionales.
"

translate that and then put it in your hat and smoke it! these "people" can't be trusted.

to be continues on the 30th during the third meeting of the hummer driven minds, as the agreement is described as "fragile and can be broken at any time due to some recent murders" by some sources. :rolleyes:

Mexican history sure is a page turner and these current events add more juice to the continuing saga. yeesh.

DENNIS - 1-16-2009 at 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo

OK, now you made me put on my glasses....

And a cigarette? I didn't notice that before.

Oso - 1-16-2009 at 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
ya'll crazy

Dennis, I can't recall ever having attacked you on any issue. I apologize for that oversight and lack of respect for the sacred traditions of this forum. I hope this makes amends...

"ya'll" is a contraction of "ya" and what? The simple and entirely grammatically correct contraction of "you" and "all" is spelled "y'all". Only an ignorant yankee would be guilty of such gross misplacement of the apostrophe. :lol:

Bajahowodd - 1-16-2009 at 05:18 PM

Oil is still hovering around $35 per barrel, yet the price I pay in central Orange County has risen 22 cents in the past ten days. Refinery manipulation. I remember when it was over $4 a gallon and everyone was crossing over to buy gas in Mexico. I was unfortunate, coming back from down south, running on fumes, stopped in at a Pemex near Otay and they had two sets of prices. I actually paid more for Pemex than it was selling for on the U.S. side. But I really didn't want to run out sitting in the line.

BajaGringo - 1-16-2009 at 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Oil is still hovering around $35 per barrel, yet the price I pay in central Orange County has risen 22 cents in the past ten days. Refinery manipulation. I remember when it was over $4 a gallon and everyone was crossing over to buy gas in Mexico. I was unfortunate, coming back from down south, running on fumes, stopped in at a Pemex near Otay and they had two sets of prices. I actually paid more for Pemex than it was selling for on the U.S. side. But I really didn't want to run out sitting in the line.

For some reason that made me think back to when I was just a dumb little gringo sitting in grade school back in the early 60's. They taught us about the space program and how by the year 2000 we'd all be getting around in flying cars.

I am still waiting...

:rolleyes:

bajasol - 1-16-2009 at 05:48 PM

I'll join you for a taco Baja Gringo but only if you take the "Witchta Lineman" off as your Avatar. Well okay I'll go but you buy the first round... :lol:

BajaGringo - 1-16-2009 at 05:50 PM

Deal!

Bajahowodd - 1-16-2009 at 05:52 PM

You didn't watch Blade Runner? The sixties, huh. Bought my first new car while in college. 1967 Camaro with the bumble bee stripe. Cost me $2750 cash. What was that about inflation?

Woooosh - 1-17-2009 at 09:52 AM

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ya'll crazy

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I rmemeber as boy going to a 7-11 in Texas and the sign said for slurpees read "Howdy Pudnah" :lol:

My yankee cousin and I just couldn't figure out what a pudnah was.

[Edited on 1-17-2009 by Woooosh]

Bajafun777 - 1-17-2009 at 01:54 PM

Speaking of PRI at least they did not have the issues of these NARCOS doing what they are doing now. If you killed a PRI official or cop your mama, your mama's mama and anyone even remembering you would be killed in retailiation. During PRI control had some ventures into areas that now would get you an 80 to 20 chance of coming out of ok without even a thought of trouble to me. Yes,Yes PRI did some awful thing and change needed to happen yea yea yea so they tell me, just saying sometimes maybe were want change we think is for the good and bam it was only for the worse. Boils down to "Show Me The Money" and I will show you what is right and what is wrong and as we all have learned one way or another "Money Is Always Right Never Wrong," just ask the other Cartel here in the States called Wall Street and Banks :fire:

. Later amigos, bajafun777

Bajahowodd - 1-17-2009 at 04:50 PM

It was called keeping order. Maybe not totally freedom friendly. Seemed to work. Kinda like Sadam Hussein kept order in Iraq.

Woooosh - 1-17-2009 at 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Bajafun777
Speaking of PRI at least they did not have the issues of these NARCOS doing what they are doing now. If you killed a PRI official or cop your mama, your mama's mama and anyone even remembering you would be killed in retailiation. During PRI control had some ventures into areas that now would get you an 80 to 20 chance of coming out of ok without even a thought of trouble to me. Yes,Yes PRI did some awful thing and change needed to happen yea yea yea so they tell me, just saying sometimes maybe were want change we think is for the good and bam it was only for the worse. Boils down to "Show Me The Money" and I will show you what is right and what is wrong and as we all have learned one way or another "Money Is Always Right Never Wrong," just ask the other Cartel here in the States called Wall Street and Banks :fire:

. Later amigos, bajafun777

Is that kind of like saying Iraq was better off under Sadam? What Iraq had before we ousted Sadam was the sytem that was needed to keep the tribes in line? Though brutal at times- it was working for them- even if the western world found that system to be unacceptable? PRI vs PAN vs Whatever???

I think you're right, it is the Golden Rule... he who has the Gold rules.

[Edited on 1-18-2009 by Woooosh]

Bajahowodd - 1-17-2009 at 05:54 PM

Whoooosh- To just expand on your point about Sadam, he was probably, potentially, our best ally versus Iran. He was contained, and the UN inspectors were working there. Bone-headed neocons.

DENNIS - 1-17-2009 at 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Oso
Dennis, I can't recall ever having attacked you on any issue. I apologize for that oversight and lack of respect for the sacred traditions of this forum. I hope this makes amends...

"ya'll" is a contraction of "ya" and what? The simple and entirely grammatically correct contraction of "you" and "all" is spelled "y'all". Only an ignorant yankee would be guilty of such gross misplacement of the apostrophe. :lol:

Ok...Thanks Oso. I hate feeling ignored and left out.
I don't actually go around saying, "Ya'll" or anything like that but, somebody new and at once short-lived here was saying that the other day and it just caught me like a catch-phrase that deserved too be run into the ground. It is as you say, an ignorant Yankee thing to do but, we all have birthmarks and have to play with the hand we are dealt. No offense taken so, attack away. I'm sure you owe me a few.

Woooosh - 1-17-2009 at 06:24 PM

You guys with the y'alls and all crack me up. :bounce:

What I want to know is the proper pronunciation of New Orleans.

[Edited on 1-18-2009 by Woooosh]

Bajahowodd - 1-17-2009 at 06:26 PM

Always said Nawlins.

Iflyfish - 1-17-2009 at 06:43 PM

Jesse

Great post. I wonder if the turf wars have subsided sufficiently for this sort of violence to stop? Has one group risen to the top of the heap? With whom is the Government negotiating? My Spanish is insufficient for this article but I am very interested in the concept that you report to us.

A truce might serve the interests of all involved and ultimately may be the solution. Drugs were tolerated in Mexico for a very long time with a tacit agreement that as long as they played it cool the government would not hasstle them to any significant extent. Everyone got a cut. In this way the drug trade was simply another underground economy in which profits passed along the chain of production to ultimate sale.

It is my opinion that Fox and Calderone, both educated in the US, took the cool aid of the "War on Drugs" that they saw in the USofA. It seems like both Fox and Calderone were both somewhat naive as to the depth of corruption in Mexico. That seems odd to me since it was clear to me forty years ago that the entire system was based upon barter and the mordida.

Iflyfish

Bajahowodd - 1-17-2009 at 08:49 PM

Not so sure about Fox, but I've always thought that Calderone naively swatted a hornet's nest with a baseball bat. What could he have expected. All the billions spent on the so-called war on drugs. Result: Basically same availability: same price. The United States has the highest illicit drug consumption rate on the planet. Hey. We got economic problems. Big deficit. How 'bout legalizing and taxing it? Studies in Europe show that decriminalizing or legalizing does not lead to an increase in consumption. That's because humans have a basically fixed rate of addictive personalities.

BajaGringo - 1-18-2009 at 12:58 PM

Now stop making sense...

:rolleyes:

Bajahowodd - 1-18-2009 at 07:20 PM

Promise I' :lol:

ll try.

mikeintj - 1-19-2009 at 01:00 PM

It seems that although there are some stories of an "agreement" between the cartels, it may not be in existence in Tijuana. That is, if the Sinaloa Cartel's sending of around half a million cartridges to the breakaway branch of the Arellano Felix cartel is anything to go by.

As always, if you want to know what is really happening in the Tijuana underworld, Zeta is the place to go to,

http://www.zetatijuana.com/html/EdicionActual/Principal.html

Oso - 1-19-2009 at 01:05 PM

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You just had to go and spoil the mood by being a good sport, didn't you?

Sharksbaja - 1-19-2009 at 01:52 PM

So is it true? Anyone seen bad guys "hanging" out around the overpasses or any loose heads in trash bags lately?

BajaGringo - 1-19-2009 at 01:59 PM

Naw, and I was even looking for some to step over yesterday. As hard as I looked, I couldn't find a single one. If they keep this up they are going to ruin the narco-tourist business!!!

flyfishinPam - 1-19-2009 at 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by mikeintj
It seems that although there are some stories of an "agreement" between the cartels, it may not be in existence in Tijuana. That is, if the Sinaloa Cartel's sending of around half a million cartridges to the breakaway branch of the Arellano Felix cartel is anything to go by.

As always, if you want to know what is really happening in the Tijuana underworld, Zeta is the place to go to,

http://www.zetatijuana.com/html/EdicionActual/Principal.html

thanks for the link, according to todays front page (19 Jan 09) nothing has changed.

DENNIS - 1-19-2009 at 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by Oso
You just had to go and spoil the mood by being a good sport, didn't you?

It's the new me, otra vez.

Woooosh - 1-19-2009 at 02:52 PM

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thanks for the link, according to todays front page (19 Jan 09) nothing has changed.

Interesting story... What was 500,000 for mr Three LEtres- a week supply? All calibers too. It also notes that kidnappings and extortions (TEO's bread and butter) are not part of the deal- and still continue unababted.

It is weird they found a million in US cash that neither the good guys or the bad guys will claim as theirs. And no, you don't want to go there and say it's your money and still expect to spend it.

BajaGringo - 1-19-2009 at 03:10 PM

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You just had to go and spoil the mood by being a good sport, didn't you?

It's the new me, otra vez.

You must have stuck that post-em note on your monitor with crazy glue for it to last all this time...

:lol:

DENNIS - 1-19-2009 at 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
You must have stuck that post-em note on your monitor with crazy glue for it to last all this time...

:lol:

I stenciled and spray painted. It was a condition of my parole.
Thanks for remembering, Ron.

Pato - 1-23-2009 at 03:23 PM

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Thanks JESSE for info. Can you or somebody provide a resource or two about such "military death squads" so I can pass it on ? While I wouldn't be surprised of their existence, finding these reports in the mainstream media seems elusive to me. My thoroughness is probably lacking.

Also, which two cartels were you referring to ?
The cartels I've heard of are the Sinaloa, Tijuana, and the Juarez (or Gulf ?).
Someone care to straight this out for me ? :?:

Ken Cooke - 1-24-2009 at 08:07 AM

I haven't heard of any recent killings.

Things must be calming down with regard to public killings among these Narcos.