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RETIREMENT IN MEXICO

Udo - 1-27-2009 at 09:20 PM

ABC just aired a piece on retirement homes and elder-care/assisted living homes. This piece was tied to El Salvador de Allende on the mainland, but this can be applicable to Baja as well.
This evening, (Jan 27, 2009) at 11p.m. pacific time, ABC will be airing on NIGHTLINE another piece on retiring in Mexico. Seems like the whole 1/2 hour will be dedicated to the subject.
I am sure you 21st century computer gurus will come up with the proper links to tie these broadcasts to the Nomads. By the time I figure how to do it, the program will be over!:bounce:

Bajaboy - 1-27-2009 at 09:29 PM

We caught the news piece and found it interesting as well.

DianaT - 1-27-2009 at 09:43 PM

The city they were speaking about is San Miquel de Allende. It is a beautiful old colonial city in the highlands---the area that is the heart of the revolution.

What they don't mention, or at least during the part I saw, was how terribly expensive property is anymore in San Miquel because of the very large ex-pat community.

We always enjoy San Miquel and all of the surrounding area-it is so beautiful, and there is so much history there.

San Miquel from the highway above.



Sample of the colorful central plaza area.



Since I won't be up at 11, I will be interested to hear the other place they talk about.

Diane

[Edited on 1-28-2009 by jdtrotter]

Udo - 1-27-2009 at 09:51 PM

Diane, I agree with the pricieness of the city, and it's involvement in expats. That's probably why the assisted living price noted in the news piece was $1,400 per month per home in the complex. That pretty much wipes out most people's SSI!

DianaT - 1-27-2009 at 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by udowinkler
Diane, I agree with the pricieness of the city, and it's involvement in expats. That's probably why the assisted living price noted in the news piece was $1,400 per month per home in the complex. That pretty much wipes out most people's SSI!


At one time, San Miquel was sort of an artists escape, a place to which many gringos went to write books, do their art, or at least think they were doing so. :lol:

Then it was "discovered" and gringos started buying up the old colonial downtown homes and doing major rehab---many now sell for over a million dollars.

It is an interesting place. Some say that Pozos which is close by is just beginning and will be the next San Miquel---who knows, but it is a quiet pretty old colonial town that is in much disrepair.







Outside of Pozos are very interesting old Spanish ruins---major haciendas.



For anyone really interested in Mexico and Mexican history, the central highlands are a great place to travel.

Diane

BajaGringo - 1-27-2009 at 10:34 PM

Great photos Diane - thanks for sharing. Reminds me of some small colonial towns I visited in South America...

k-rico - 1-28-2009 at 08:30 AM

I think this is what you guys saw. I haven't found the Nightline piece yet. If someone finds it, please post the link.

Thanks.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=6741914&page=1

BTW, the biggest problem with retiring to Mexico is the utilization of Medicare. I'm assuming to make use of Medicare benefits you need to be in the US. Is that true?

[Edited on 1-28-2009 by k-rico]

bajasol - 1-28-2009 at 09:12 AM

Awesome photos jdtrotter. How far do the "cobble stone roads" travel outside the main square? Looks like a nice town to go visit. Thanks

DianaT - 1-28-2009 at 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by bajasol
Awesome photos jdtrotter. How far do the "cobble stone roads" travel outside the main square? Looks like a nice town to go visit. Thanks


In old colonial towns that have been declared National Monuments, or World Culture Centers etc., the cobble stone streets abound. Fortunately, they are protected or they might have been "modernized".

In a place like San Miquel, the cobblestone is kept in better repair, but it is still bumpy riding around. The picture of the long cobblestone steet is in Pozos and was not in as good shape, nor were the buildings. But, that may change.

OH, if anyone goes to a place with San Miquel or Guanajuato with an RV----DO NOT GO DOWNTOWN WITH THE RV---or you will be facing a major nightmare. :yes:

Gosh, all of this is making me really yearn to get back to the highlands.

Diane

Bajahowodd - 1-28-2009 at 11:20 AM

Hasn't the same thing happened on a smaller scale in Todos Santos?

DianaT - 1-28-2009 at 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Hasn't the same thing happened on a smaller scale in Todos Santos?


Yes, on a smaller scale---but while Baja has its own history and a few remnants of indigious culture, if one is really interested in those things, the mainland is a great place to travel.

There is such a diversity of old and newer culture on the mainland, beautiful cities, great universities, museums, small villages where Spanish is a second language and many old traditions survive, lots of very old ruins---many more than the most famous Mayan and Aztec ruins, and FANTASTIC food---lots of regional differences --- much very different from what is standard in Baja.

We have been from one end to the other either by bus and or by car, and it is always a unique experience.

OK, I will stop now or I will be packing the truck. Actually, we hope very soon to return to the mainland for an extended trip.

Diane

tripledigitken - 1-28-2009 at 04:13 PM

A very good read about a couple that moved to San Miguel de Allende, fell in love with Mexico, and ultimatley restored a home there is;


" On Mexican Time" by Tony Cohan

Call it a mainland version of "God and Mr Gomez".


Ken

Bajahowodd - 1-28-2009 at 05:30 PM

People seem to forget that Baja was traditionally a step-child to Mexico. The paradise enjoyed by the privileged few back in the 50's, was devoid of populace. Except for La Paz, which thrived farming pearls, there were few people to be found. Indigenous folks were few. Recall that Mexico offered Baja to the United States as part of the Gadsden Purchase in the 19th century. We didn't want it. Mainland Mexico has a rich cultural history that includes the indigenous folk, as well as the Europeans. Baja was always La Frontera. The population explosion occurred in the 80's and 90's when developers needed to import labor from the mainland to build the hotels and time shares. Few of those imports would be considered cultured or educated. In many ways, Baja is to Mexico as Alaska is to the United States, separated by distance and culture.

DianaT - 1-28-2009 at 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Recall that Mexico offered Baja to the United States as part of the Gadsden Purchase in the 19th century. We didn't want it.


While there are lots of versions of all history, my understanding is that The first draft of the Treaty of La Mesilla what became known as the Gadsden Purchase (primarily wanted for a southern trans-continental RR route) included all of Baja---something some in the US wanted as well as more territory on the mainland. I understand that Mexico would not accept that, even though it is reported that Santa Ana was personally paid a good sum of money, and made sure that they maintained a land bridge to Baja.

The native Americans in that area didn't want any part of any of it.

During that period with the ethnocentric name of Manifest Destiny, there were many, especially in the southern slave states who wanted to annex all of Mexico and Central America.

Now it is time for FDT and his vast knowledge of Baja history to chime in with the "rest of the story". :yes:

The most interesting part of history is that it is all pretty much one big debate with few facts and lots of perspective and interpretation. I love reading the US version of events, and then reading and hearing the version from other countries. As a good friend from Britain always reminds me, the US War of Independence was the Rebellion of the Colonies and was led by a bunch of traitors!

Diane

Oso - 1-28-2009 at 06:09 PM

For those who enjoy living in gringo enclaves, San Miguel and Ajijic are paramount with Cuernavaca maybe a close third. A recent article (sorry it's no longer there and I can't find it in archives) in The News had the good news for Ajijic retirees that Lake Chapala (the original one) is now almost back to normal level. A few years back it was drying up and many gringos feared that the value of their real estate that they had driven up to ridiculous levels (for Mexico) would drop drastically. Cuernavaca's call is its boringly perfect year-round climate and easy drive to either Mexico City or Acapulco. None of these are for me. I'm not a "Self-hating gringo" and I've always had American friends in Mexico, but I just prefer living in MEXICO and I'm perfectly comfortable in a neighborhood where nobody or hardly anybody speaks English. Hell, that describes my neighborhood now and it's in the USA!

Udo - 1-28-2009 at 07:21 PM

My buddy Oso hit the nail right on the head...
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Why move to a foreign country if one wishes to live among one's own?

AND when moving to that foreign country, plan on a language immersion. Why should that foreign country (Mexico or otherwise) learn how to communicate with you?

Right on OSO!

DianaT - 1-28-2009 at 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Oso
For those who enjoy living in gringo enclaves, San Miguel and Ajijic are paramount with Cuernavaca maybe a close third. A recent article (sorry it's no longer there and I can't find it in archives) in The News had the good news for Ajijic retirees that Lake Chapala (the original one) is now almost back to normal level. A few years back it was drying up and many gringos feared that the value of their real estate that they had driven up to ridiculous levels (for Mexico) would drop drastically. Cuernavaca's call is its boringly perfect year-round climate and easy drive to either Mexico City or Acapulco. None of these are for me. I'm not a "Self-hating gringo" and I've always had American friends in Mexico, but I just prefer living in MEXICO and I'm perfectly comfortable in a neighborhood where nobody or hardly anybody speaks English. Hell, that describes my neighborhood now and it's in the USA!


It might surprise some of you how very involved many of the ex-pats in San Miguel are with the local community and the many, many things they have done---positive things. The negative thing, is the rise in property prices.

It is not at all like Lake Chapala where the communities around the lake are ALL gringo like some of the gringo settlements in Baja---communities where the only contact with the locals is in restaurants or as workers.

Cuernavaca is also not like the exclusive hidden gringo communities around Lake Chapala. There is a lot of culture and interaction with the community.

We chose Bahia Asuncion because there was no gringo community---but for better or worse, that is changing.

Some people choose a place like San Miquel, or a place close by, or Cuernavaca because one can learn the language, become immmersed in the culture, and still have the connection with some familar cultural items, like we really enjoy the Unitarian Fellowship and library in San Miquel.

We do not like Acapulco, but there are some great things in and around Mexico City if one likes history and urban Mexican culture. The zocolo is a beautiful place.

Yes, there are those in San Miquel who chose to do nothing but hang out in a gringo bar, just the same as in Baja.

But Oso, have you ever been to those places? If not, I suggest you check them out. They are very different.

Diane





[Edited on 1-29-2009 by jdtrotter]

fishbuck - 1-28-2009 at 07:45 PM

Who knows about Guanajuato? I may be going there for a short visit.
If I only have time to see 1 cultural place what is it?
And yes I am visiting a beautiful senorita!;D

Udo - 1-28-2009 at 07:48 PM

I would make a side trip to visit the historic town of TEQUILA, that is about as cultural as you need to be.

fishbuck - 1-28-2009 at 07:51 PM

Whoa baby!!! There is a town named TEQUILA!???
Sounds like a must see:coolup:

BajaGringo - 1-28-2009 at 08:03 PM

I spent a little over a year working in Mexico City would spend my weekends and holidays exploring. There are still some places I need to go back to see but some of the ones I was able to spend time at (and loved) were:

San Miguel de Allende
Cuernavaca
Queretaro
Puebla
Taxco
Veracruz
Cordoba
Xalapa
Boca del Rio
Ciudad Victoria

Just thinking about it makes me want to go and dig up some of the digital libraries I still need to go through from some of those trips...


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

vandenberg - 1-28-2009 at 08:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishbuck
Who knows about Guanajuato? I may be going there for a short visit.
If I only have time to see 1 cultural place what is it?
And yes I am visiting a beautiful senorita!;D


Beautiful interesting town. Plenty of sights to see just wandering around, Diego Rivera's birthplace being one.
Make sure you make the drive on the hill going around the town with gorgeous overlooks.






No lie!

Gaucho - 1-28-2009 at 08:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishbuck
Whoa baby!!! There is a town named TEQUILA!???
Sounds like a must see:coolup:


I know a girl named Margarita and she was born in Tequila, Mexico...no kidding...:yes:

DianaT - 1-28-2009 at 08:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
I spent a little over a year working in Mexico City would spend my weekends and holidays exploring. There are still some places I need to go back to see but some of the ones I was able to spend time at (and loved) were:

San Miguel de Allende
Cuernavaca
Queretaro
Puebla
Taxco
Veracruz
Cordoba
Xalapa
Boca del Rio
Ciudad Victoria

Just thinking about it makes me want to go and dig up some of the digital libraries I still need to go through from some of those trips...


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


There are a few on your list we have missed, and some have changed a lot over the years. How long ago were your there?

Diane

DianaT - 1-28-2009 at 08:30 PM

Another view of looking down on Guanajuato



Why one should not drive an RV into Guanajuato. :biggrin:



One of the most famous attactions in Guanajuato are the mummies, but I refuse to go see them.

The main plaza is a beautiful place to spend an afternoon.

Bajafun777 - 1-28-2009 at 08:45 PM

OK, if we must name towns that are mainland may I add Los Mochis. Great town and you will learn your spanish there but some English speaking shops mainly the younger people working in them speak English. Great hunting, fishing, great vegetables and great little shops. Yes, they have WalMart, hell I don't know where they are not anymore, but the downtown area is just a kick on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. Down by the town center where the Large Church is the center park area is something you have to experience with the singers, lovers, food carts, free old movies on a pull down screen just old fashion family fun!!! This is also the jumping off point to catch the train to Copper Canyon something I have not done yet but will before this year ends. I like Maztalan also but Los Mochis does not have all the tourist but it does have Americans and Canadians that live there. I still plan to stay a few months in La Paz and Cabo before jumping back over to Los Mochis as I do like Baja. Retirement should really be called "adventure" and don't be greedy feed the needy, the needy is you and not being greedy means get away from the tourist traps and enjoy what the culture has to offer. We won't even start talking about Costa Rica yet but I liked it too!!!!! Later----------------------- bajafun777

Udo - 1-28-2009 at 09:12 PM

Diane...

You bring several tears to my eye with your photos. Brings back soooo many memories. I wish I would have known you during my single days!
I mean this from my heart!

BajaGringo - 1-28-2009 at 09:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jdtrotter

There are a few on your list we have missed, and some have changed a lot over the years. How long ago were your there?

Diane


I was working in Mexico City from 2001-2003 and again for a few months in 2004/5. Did some contract work for a company there and I have a standing job offer to go back. I have thought about it a few times but I just got tired of the traffic/smog in the city. I would however love to go back and spend some more time exploring...

Oso - 1-29-2009 at 08:51 AM

It's been awhile and I know things have changed. I lived in the D.F. and on Cozumel from '63 to early 70's and have hitch-hiked all over the Republic. There aren't too many places in Mexico I haven't been. For the sheer diversity of people and locales I like Oaxaca, especially the Isthmus where the women are... let's say "forward". I like the attitude of the Jarochos. Many people boast that their tierra is beautiful or the most beautiful, but Jarocho's claim "Solo Veracruz es bello". Mayan people have a great Zen-like philosophy of seeking balance in life and with nature and are very gentle kindly people. I also don't care for Acapulco but I like Zihuatanejo. Mexico City has great things to see and do but the crime, smog, traffic would keep me away today. Other than that, I think I could be happy anywhere in Mexico. Well, maybe not Juarez...

DianaT - 1-29-2009 at 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by Oso
I think I could be happy anywhere in Mexico. Well, maybe not Juarez...


Glad you excluded Juarez. :yes::yes:

And yes, Mexico City's air is horrible, especially in the winter months----makes Los Angeles in the 1950's seem clean.

Traffic? While we travel more by car now, one thing I miss about the bus traveling days is not needing to drive in the old downtowns. They are better for walking. And I miss standing on the highways flagging down a 2nd class bus, hoping there would be a seat, and wondering what all would be riding on the bus.


Diane

[Edited on 1-29-2009 by jdtrotter]

BajaGringo - 1-29-2009 at 11:36 AM

Driving in DF is an adventure but the upside is after learning to drive in that city I feel like I can drive anywhere on earth. Tijuana seems easy to me in comparison...

:yes: :yes: :yes:

wilderone - 1-29-2009 at 02:49 PM

"Who knows about Guanajuato? I may be going there for a short visit.
If I only have time to see 1 cultural place what is it?"

Close enough to Angangueo to see monarch butterfly migration.
Also, the hot springs/health route is just east of Morelia: see Cabanas Erendira. Also, the Julsrud museum is in Acambaro. Erle S. Gardner himself was invited to inspect the Julsrud figurines. Approx. 30,000 were found - each one different - with carbon dating to 4,000 years. What is fascinating, is that several depict dinosaurs - some species that were not known until the 70's. "Experts" who have dated them over 2,000 years retract their data, stating that humans and dinosaurs never co-existed. Nevertheless, an intriguing display.