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GeoRock - 6-1-2004 at 12:34 PM

FYI: Last week I bought a 50 quart Igloo ice chest at Walmart for $18. Stickers on it claimed it kept ice from melting up to 5 days in up to 90 degree temperatures.

We took 2 ice chest to Death Valley last weekend. One was an old standby, the other this new ice chest. Both were 50 quart ice chest. Two blocks of ice and one and a half bags of cubes were placed in each chest.

The oldie let the ice melt faster than cold beer runs out of bottle and down your throat on a hot day.

The newbie still had 2 chunks of ice from an original block left on the 5th day. Temperatures during our 5 day trip ranged from 70 to 110 degrees F.

If you want a good deal on an ice chest, I'd recommend these Igloos. They come in 50 and 70 quart sizes, and I saw them at Walmart and Costco.

4baja - 6-1-2004 at 05:10 PM

the only problem with them is they have such a large insulation layer that they dont have alot of room for beer and food. better to buy a fridge freeze or a propane fridge, there alot more money but worth every penny. :coolup:

Mexray - 6-1-2004 at 05:21 PM

We had one of each of those coolers with us at the Matomi outing in Feb. I think they are great for the money! The 50 qt one seems to work better-ice lasts longer. The 70, with more internal room, allows for the ice to melt quicker, due to the larger 'air space'.

We put our drinks in the '50', with cubes - and - put our food stuff in the '70' with block ice. Works great!

I just wish they would sell those coolers WITHOUT the round indentions that are supposed to be used to hold drink cans...really now, does anyone use those spaces??? They are just big dirt collectors, and it's difficult to get those spaces really clean. What's wrong with a nice smooth door cover, thats easy to clean with a blast of water from a hose, and a quick wipe!

bajalou - 6-1-2004 at 07:05 PM

I have several of those Igloo Ultra 50's. They work great. Mine have smooth tops. Get block ice in town - almost full for 20 pesos and chip it as we want it for drinks and put bottles/cans in beside it. Living in San Fellipe all the time, I can tell you propane fridges do NOT keep things really cold in the summer. If you can get them to keep stuff 50-55 deg cooler than the air in the house you're doing good. So if you want cold drinks you cool them with ice.

:biggrin:

Packoderm - 6-1-2004 at 07:10 PM

What would happen if you put a block of ice in a propane fridge and fill the rest with food and drink, would the ice keep the stuff cold longer than in an ice chest?

4baja - 6-2-2004 at 06:24 AM

packoderm, the key to useing these small propane fridges is to freeze all the meat and food beore leaving on your trip. your food will stay frozen except for the top layer wich will thaw out slowly due to opening the lid. i have stayed in baja for up to a month and a half on the pacific side surfing and was the hit of the camp because i was the only one with cold beer and foodthat didnt spoil. my next fridge will be a fridge freeze, they are costly but they will freeze your food if you need. :coolup:

Propane coolers

Taco de Baja - 6-2-2004 at 07:26 AM

How do they hold up on the rough Baja roads?
I have heard they fragile, and am reluctant to $hell out the money if they will break on the first trip.

David K - 6-2-2004 at 07:40 AM

You should see 4Baja's... It is a tough as nails... Has to be where he takes it. Runs a week on one small propane bottle, I think he told me. When driving, uses cig. lighter/12v. When camping uses propane... He showed it to us at Camp Gecko 2 1/2 years ago and I bet it still is working.

Bob H - 6-2-2004 at 08:19 AM

Traveling around the world, it is always amazing to me how different the importance of having ice is. Here, in the US, especially in Baja it seems, the ability to constantly have enough quality ice is very high on the list, maybe just under "drinking water and beer". In Europe and South America having enough ice does not mean much. So, I'm glad I'm over here most of the time!! :lol:

Bob H

Almost free for you today only

trblmkr - 6-2-2004 at 09:35 AM

We've got a Dometic propane cooler, not a fridge, that we will sell for cheap.

They suck.

It's the newer model than what 4baja owns. 4baja is correct, that if you camp on the Pacific side they work fine (in temps under 70 degrees. ) The cooler the air temp. the better they work.

Bajalou hit the nail on the head when he said they only keep things 50 degrees cooler than the air outside.

If you freeze all your meat before leaving the States, where's the room for all your beer or sodas? Even if one were to rotate your beer stock, that doens't work. Throwing warm drinks into the cooler draws the cold that's in the cooler into your beverages, thus making your cooler even warmer, defrosting your meat.

Also, these coolers have very little space. It's cheaper to spend the money at Walmart and buy 3 of Georock's coolers (one for beer and sodas, one for food, the third for ice) then to shell out the $350. on something that only works under certain conditions.

A friend of ours called Dometic, the maker of these coolers, and was told that they weren't designed for temps over 90 degrees.

Ice is the ticket if you don't have a pocket full of money to buy a 1k+ Fridge Freeze.

Thank you Georock for the R & D

Any Pacific siders interested in the Dometic, send us a U2U.

Paulina y Dern <*)))><

The best cooler is the 70 Qt white Coleman marine cooler

bajabum - 6-2-2004 at 10:45 AM

I usually dont have to buy ice for up to 5 days and it freezes the top 5 inches solid every nite even in BOLA in July!

There are a few things that can improve the perfomance of any cooler.....

- Keep it out of the sunlight
- keep the lid shut tight
- keep it covered with a blanket for extra insulation
- dont drain the water as the ice melts, water is a better insulater than air is
- dont add warm drinks

I always take about a dozen frozen gatorades. They arent as bulky as block ice, they dont melt for about a week, and they are a perfect drink as they thaw out slowly providing an ice cold drink to sip on for hours.

cristobal - 6-2-2004 at 11:16 AM

I like the 120 QT IGLOO coolers for long vacations in BAJA ..... In the right conditions ... ICE will still be in your cooler in a couple of weeks.

My favorite LARGE cooler ... I found in the paper for sale .... used. It was a GOTT 198 QT. I asked the lady selling it if it was really that BIG .... and she told me .... she could get inside of it.

It is a LARGE cooler.

bajalou - 6-2-2004 at 11:22 AM

All your hints are very importand for keeping coolers cold. The freezing of gatoraide or bottles of water is helpful also.
I am a bit lost by your statement " and it freezes the top 5 inches solid every nite even in BOLA in July! "
Can you explain that a bit. Thanks

:biggrin:

Mexitron - 6-2-2004 at 05:46 PM

In regards to not draining the water out of the ice chests--the only downside is that it gets pretty sloshy in there on bad roads....one time Huddo and I pulled up to camp, opened the ice chest for a cold one and found that a bottle of Mayonaisse, a dozen eggs, a bottle of mustard and about 15 bottles of corona had all broken and merged into.....well, a very yellow morass!! After that we kept everything in plastic bags and drank tecate from cans!!!! But we still don't drain the water except on short trips.

4baja - 6-2-2004 at 07:39 PM

rough roads and coolers dont get along, as david k said this fridge i have works awsome and no brocken bottles and no watered down food. ive owned it over 8 years now and never have had a problem even in 100 degree temps(in the shade) while camping. i'll be bringing a bunch of fish back this july and will gurentee that it will be 100% frozen when i get back. 250 bucks at the swap meet well spent. :coolup:

GeoRock - 6-3-2004 at 09:15 AM

The 50 qt chest I purchased has a smooth lid. The larger sizes did have built-in drink holders (stupid, and dirt collectible spots).

Jeans turned me onto the idea of cracking the eggs at home and putting them into, say, an empty Reese's peanut butter plastic jar. Works great. And I "scrambled" the eggs by shaking the container.

Margarita mix, juices, milk, liquid coffee creamer, and other liquids: pour into 16 oz. water bottles. I used Figi and Dasani containers as I felt the Arrowhead and Crystal Geyser were too thin. Leave a bit of airspace and freeze the bottles prior to leaving. Saves space and prevents leaks. As each bottle is used, it leaves more free space in the cooler.

Jeans, or was it M? turned me onto the idea of a mechanic's blanket on top of the cooler. Worked great in 100 degree weather in Guadulupe Canyon.

I also separate food and drinks. One cooler each. Keeps the food colder as it only gets opened at mealtime. And I freeze everything I can prior to the trip.

Another hint: This has worked extremely well the last 3 trips for me. I have a large rectangular tupperware container. It is about 6 in X 6 in and 14-inches high. Completely watertight. I can stuff a lot of food into it. Shredded/sliced cheese, my vege meats, etc. Anything I don't want to become water logged. Then I place a couple frozen gel packs between some of the food.

The tupperware keeps the food inside totally dry the whole trip. The gel packs add extra coldness, and can be used on day hikes to keep a lunch/drink cold.

Hint: tie a bottle opener to the drinks ice chest.
Hint: if you have enough room, leave beer bottles in the cardboard box they come in to help prevent breakage on rough roads.
Hint: we have a very serious rule: we keep 2-4 bottles/cans of each type of drink in the cooler. When you pull one out, you MUST replace it with the same type drink. Violators will be strung out on the desert floor and have hot beer poured over them.

[Edited on 6-3-2004 by GeoRock]

refilling the ice chests

Taco de Baja - 6-3-2004 at 10:55 AM

We only restock the drinks supply in the morning. This way the cans have been cooled by the night air and will not heat up the chest more that necesssary.

In addition, on long trips we often taka a large ice chest an completely fill it with block ice. We then use it to restock the othet chestes with ice as needed (also first thing in the morning). As the ice stock cooler not being constantly opened to get a beer, coke, or cold snack the ice lasts a long time. We also cover all chests with a HD space blanket sewed onto a moving blanket to really retain the cold. We have still had ice left when we get home after a 10 day trip on the Pacific in September.

My two cents

Big Al - 6-3-2004 at 12:57 PM

Before my recent Gonzaga trip, I was at Sports Authority bying more lures that I don't need when I saw the Coleman 100 Qt cooler on sale for $29. I don't like th ebig coolers most of the time because there is limited places that I can pack them and they are too heavy to cary very far by myself. However at that price I couldn't pass it up.

When going to baja, I freeze everything. Since there was only two of us, there was plenty of room for drinks in the cooler, especially since we were going to live off of fish, not what we brought. I filled the chest with (2)1/2 gallon frozen water bottles, (2) frozen 1 litre bottles of iced T, (4) frozen gatorade bottles, 6-pack diet coke, 6-pack Pacificos, small serving size frozen drinking water bottles, food and topped it off iwth cube ice. I also kept a small drink size cooler with us for everyday opening and closing and to have in the boat. It too was topped off with ice. this small cooler is very convenient but terrible on the ice. We made it 24 hours, and added 1 small bag of ice in the hand cooler and dumped the excess in the large cooler. After 5 days we dumped ice out on the lawn at my house. The cooler stayed frozen the hole time. We even wasted a bit of the coldness, as many of the drinks were too frozen to drink for the first couple of days. we had to leave them out of the cooler so we could drink them. They keys are:

A good cooler
Large amounts of frozen fluids.
Freeze everything that won't explode.
Don't open and close the cooler often.
Keep the cooler in as cool a location as possible.

Freezing all of your drinks gives you a large cold bank to draw from and makes it last

[Edited on 6-4-2004 by Big Al]

Mexitron - 6-3-2004 at 03:47 PM

Georock--that's a good idea for the eggs!

Reminded me of driving into Abreojos back in the 80's when the road was very washboard--the eggs we brought had actually scrambled in the shell!! Don't know if it was because of the shaking or that we used lots of butter but those were the best eggs I've ever tasted.

Debra - 6-4-2004 at 08:05 AM

Georock's eggs remind me of an old trick I've used for years.

The never ending problem of dirty clothes. (I don't like to take alot along, always space deprived)

Tip: Find a plastic container (size to what you have room for) with a good sealing lid, when you are moving from wherever throw your dirties in with a bit of laundry soap and water (you won't need much) at your next stop squeeze out the water, add fresh, by the time you get to wherever, you will have rinsed clothes ready to hang. I've done this for over 30yrs. and I have to tell you, it will clean your clothes even better than your home machine. Bonus, you don't have to waste vacation time looking for, and hanging out at a laundry.

Bajabus - 6-4-2004 at 08:41 AM

Debra I have used a version of that laundry trick also.

I take a 5 gallon joint compound bucket and fill it about 2/3rds of the way with clothes, water and detergent. I then hang it with a strong rubber bungiee from the closet rod, take 2 more bungies and anchor it down to the floor in the bus and let it bounce away. I read about it in travels with charlie by steinbeck and it works great.

Mexitron - 6-4-2004 at 10:51 AM

What a great idea......geez now I guess I won't have to wear the same shirt for ten days in a row!

Debra - 6-4-2004 at 11:22 AM

I have to say, this is the best thread I've seen for awhile. I also just bought one of the coolers Georock talked about, and have been absorbing all the tips about how to keep things cold (that being one of the most expensive (and annoying) parts of camping at BOLA....I usually have to make at least one run per day.....2 blocks, and 2 cubed which adds up to about $6. USD) I also agree with the "don't drain the water"

Thanks for getting this thread started Geo.,

Anyone else have any camping tips? I would love to hear them. Thanks! :yes:

marla - 6-4-2004 at 11:28 AM

That IS a good idea for the eggs! I will have to try it. I have one of those 50 qt Igloo coolers and it works great. Way better than my old cooler. The only thing is getting other people to make sure and CLOSE IT PROPERLY! I am very relaxed about almost everything but it drives me nuts when people don't close the cooler all the way and the ice melts. I also freeze everything possible and load up the cooler that way.....

Marla

Debra - 6-4-2004 at 11:46 AM

And "other people" would be small children? WELCOME TO MOTHERHOOD! :yes:

Packoderm - 6-4-2004 at 07:11 PM

I have a camping trick that works pretty well. I take a thin yellow rope and string it though the holes at the end of the handles of my dirty pots and pans, and then I fling them out in the sea. The next day, they when I pull them back up, they are all clean without any scrubbing at all. I also do the same thing from the back of my houseboat while stateside.

Another good trick is to wire an 8-watt fluorescent light from West Marine with a long wire to a cigarette-lighter plug and then mount the light with a coat hanger on the cieling of a palapa. While bright enough to read by, it will never deaden you car battery. I would like to find a yellow anti-bug fluorescent tube for it though and try that out.

As for the toilet seat, I used to keep my folding chair with the middle staps missing from the front/back and the sides which resulted in a chair with a hole over a freshly dug hole. It is always good to stop in Rosarito and pick up the Gringo Gazzete on the way south for something to read - or is this getting to be too much information?

30 led lantern

Bajasurf - 6-4-2004 at 08:13 PM

I just got a 30 led (15 also) lantern from www.sportsmansguide.com. This lantern has the option of using 15 or 30 led bulbs. The 30 will light up your camping area. The great thing though is 400 hours of light with just 4 D batteries. The led bulbs will last 100,000 hours. The cost is $39.95 which includes a carry case. Batteries not included. Be sure to look for the special price as it usually sells for $49. I eliminated my propane lanterns and those bulky propane bottles. More light and much less cost and more space available.

GeoRock - 6-4-2004 at 10:59 PM

Good idea Deb, about camping tips.

Here's one: In national forests it's against the rules to drive nails into the trees (thankfully).

So I wrap bungie cords around the trees and bungies in the bungies. I end up with a holder area for a paper towel roll; baggie for the dishscrubber pads; baggie for matches; dish towel; and dishrag. I can also use it as a base to stretch my clothes line from. And if you need quick protection from rain, it is helpful to tie a tarp to.

jeans - 6-5-2004 at 12:30 AM

It was M who had that big, thick pad to throw over the cooler. It worked great. Glad you liked the egg idea. I don't really remember how I came up with that.

I like to pre-cook meat for meals. On our last trip I had a bag of shredded roast beef that I used for:

1) sandwiches, (I never liked packaged lunch meat),
2) scrambled with eggs & salsa for machaca
3) quesadillas
4) to throw into beef flavored Top Ramen for a real quick dinner (or any other packaged food such as mac & cheese).

I'll do the same with pre-cooked, grilled chicken breast....it's good to throw on top of packaged salads, use in quesadillas, sandwiches, etc.

Since the only thing I use mustard & mayo for are sandwiches, I combine the two in a small rubbermaid container for a quick sandwich spread.

A convenience store in town has water in a square, half-gallon size that I put milk or orange juice in. The square shape is much more space-conscience than the normal round bottles.

Deb, Bajabus, I love your ideas of washing clothes. In all my years of camping and boating (as a kid), that was news to me!

Keep them coming!

(Has anybody ever really cooked anything in aluminum foil under the hood, or are those just urban legends?)

COOLERS/FRIDGES

cabonut - 6-5-2004 at 09:23 AM

Camped for 2 years waiting for power to ranch in Baja Sur. An ARB 12v fridge powered by 2 panels saved our butts!

Have 2 94qt Igloo marine ice chests - be careful when you put new 20 peso ice blocks in them. I watched unbelievingly as the mentally-challenged ice replenishment engineer dropped the block into the chest. Cracked the bottom naturally. Now I ALWAYS help by holding up the chest sideways . .

Jeans

Debra - 6-5-2004 at 09:24 PM

Yes I have seen the cooking under the hood thing....

When I was a kid, 12 or so, I remember coming up here to visit my G-parents and we went camping with them, there was this old man that seemed to just go camping to show off all those kind of tricks. I remember thinking how cool it was.

(that old man should have had stock in the Reynolds company!)

Desertbull - 6-28-2004 at 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by trblmkr

If you freeze all your meat before leaving the States...

It's cheaper to spend the money at Walmart and buy 3 of Georock's coolers (one for beer and sodas, one for food, the third for ice) then to shell out the $350. on something that only works under certain conditions.

Ice is the ticket if you don't have a pocket full of money to buy a 1k+ Fridge Freeze.

Paulina y Dern <*)))><

Wow...freezing your meat sounds like it hurts!!!! Hah...ROTFLMAO..okay now that everyone's trying not to laugh...

Who has room to take 3 big coolers on a trip the Baja backcountry? If you're traveling to and from a specific locale I could see that, but those who travel off the beaten path in the dirt...holy smokes..three coolers would take up a dang lot of room. I drive that big truck and I don't have that much room with camp gear etc...

So let's do the math on the FridgeFreeze. Oh yeah, I just bought another one for my center console with a custom lid that allows the driver or passengers to access the icy cold water.

If you spend 40-50 dollars on ice (5 blocks, 8 bags or more to start) and then ice to keep it going for drinks I'm sure you can get up to 40-50 bucks a trip or more depending on how cold you want that cerveza...it's gonna' take 20 trips or so to get your money back from the ice store...

The first FridgeFreeze I bought has suffered through 110,774 miles in the back of the Desert Tank including countless miles on the dirt roads of Baja...and it's still going strong. Works as if it was brand new...but it doesn't look as purty' nowadays. Simply, the system will/has froze water into ice in LA Bay during the 118 degree days...and just keeps on ticking...During our adventures with as many as 20 guys/gals on one of our first trips, we loaded it with all the staples of chicken and beef for the entire trip to feed everyone! The FridgeFreeze really does work.

This is not a commercial because I don't get anything from FridgeFreeze...as a matter a fact..a month ago I purchased my second FridgeFreeze...at retail!

I only post this to say they work. If GeoRock had a FridgeFreeze in the back of her Hummer...she'd shake her head and say, "Why didn't I do this along time ago!"

Stevo has got the right idea...if you're looking for something to last you for a very long time...check out the FridgeFreeze. Makes good ice for those hot sticky days on the Cortez beaches...

Leaving this week to reacquaint myself with Baja after a journey to the East Coast...both FridgeFreezes cooling down my icy water...and, okay...maybe a couple beers !!!

Stop by for a beer if you wish DB

jrbaja - 6-28-2004 at 06:06 PM

I'd like to take a gander at that thing. Ice in 118 degrees sounds right up my old alley. :lol:

Desertbull - 6-28-2004 at 08:06 PM

jrbaja,

Aren't you on the Pacific side? Sorry, can't keep up with all the movements of most...just the movements of the some.

Anyhow, heading out through Mexicali for lunch at my favorite place and then south to San Felipe for the night-heard a rumor that MeMe was having a tequila fiesta...and then onward to Coco's for the next night for a fiesta with him. Heading out through Calamajue and onto/through LA Bay to Playa San Rafael for an evening on the beach...then over the desert and off towards Malarimmo for a beach run down south along the coast all the way out to Abreojos and the tingling oranges. We'll get out of town headed towards San Ignacio and then north once again back through Coco's and up the hot side....trying to wear out my BFG's in a single trip.

Let me know if you'll be somewhere close so we can bust out the icy cold cerveza's!!

4baja - 6-29-2004 at 06:44 AM

tim, i'll be at my place on friday night if your around, if i'm passed out stay out of my frig :lol:

hopefully see you then. good story on the fridge. :coolup:

Yep

jrbaja - 6-29-2004 at 12:20 PM

I'll see you another time. But the real reason I am posting this is because the last post was #911. Thought I would take that off there. Very bad day!

Natalie Ann - 6-30-2004 at 08:01 AM

Jeans- About cooking in aluminum foil on the car engine, true story: Couple of years back I saw a tv program in which the "car guys" (2 of 'em, have a regular car fix-it show, can't remember their names) challenged Martha Stuart to actually cook something on an engine. She wrapped eggs in one foil packet, another of bacon, another containing a small beef roast; then gave the boyz approximate driving times needed for cooking. Martha did point out that actual driving/cooking time depends on just how hot your engine gets. Cooked the eggs just fine; bacon about 1/2 done at end of program. Think you'd need to be driving quite a ways for the roast, but the Baja heat should help push it along. :lol:

[Edited on 6-30-2004 by Natalie Ann]

GeoRock - 6-30-2004 at 08:46 AM

From this website,
http://www.low-carb-recipes.ws/Tips_for_Engine_Cooking.html, comes the following quote:

"Instructions:
Instructions: Tips for engine cooking
Here are some hints for turning out top-notch road food.

Use good-quality heavy-duty aluminum foil. The regular thinner kind tends to tear when it touches screws, hoses and wires.

For best results, cook fish or chicken. Other meats tend to toughen.

Small pieces cook faster than large pieces.

To wrap food, use the Big-Mac method. Pull up two opposite sides of the foil square, capturing the food between them. Bring the edges together and fold over about 1/2 inch. Continue folding down for a tight seal. Fold the ends of the foil packet as if wrapping a boxed gift; then tuck the mitered corners under the packet.

(Food is wrapped for cleanliness - the foods and the engines - not because of engine fumes. The exhaust system releases fumes from the tailpipe, not under the hood.)

Dont expect the food to brown. Engine cooking essentially steams food. An engine cannot bake, broil or fry.

Seasonings become intense because food cooks more slowly than at home, so throttle back a little.

Be sure to outfit your toolbox with an oven mitt and tongs for retrieving hot food from the engine, and a roll of wire for securing food packets against the manifold.

Be sure to place food on the hot part of the engine. Some would-be cooks are tempted to take the little accordion-folded gizmo out of the air filter housing and put the food there. Stop!

Thats not a hot place. Neither is a water hose. Look for metal parts, especially those with grainy surfaces that came from a forge.

Beware of traffic jams, and shorten your cooking mileage accordingly. Food burns just as surely at 5 mph as it does at 65 mph.

When removing food from the engine, watch out for screws that could tear the foil. You dont want your mechanic asking about that stuff dripped on the engine block.

Engine cooking is inexact. A dish cooked at a certain distance on one car may need to stay a few miles longer on the engine of another car, even of the same model. Thats because all engines perform differently."

And on http://homecooking.about.com/library/archive/blchicken17.htm one can get a chicken wings recipe.

And finally, there is a book called "Manifod Destiny" by Chris Maynard and Bill Scheller. It is a cookbook for engine cooking. This website, http://weber.ucsd.edu/~mruben/cooking.html, gives a review of the book.
On Amazon the book costs a hefty $34.95 !

My next baja trip, I'm going to try nachos.

The end of the days

jrbaja - 6-30-2004 at 09:01 AM

of the Baja barbecue! Ahhh, so sad. :lol:

Igloo Maxcold

Bajasurf - 7-2-2004 at 06:26 PM

I also purchased an Igloo from Walmart for $18 plus. But added something to make the ice last longer. An insulated bag from Albertsons. Looks like a fabric briefcase and it does work. Put 2 chunks of dry ice and 6 days later everything in the cooler was still frozen. Chicken, water, soft drinks( to cold as a couple just about busted open) Also have a Norcold which is not a bad unit. Will make ice in a few hours.

Markitos - 7-3-2004 at 08:45 AM

Has anyone ever tried techni? from australia? The only problem is you need to find a realy nice person to re freeze them for you. The fish guys do it for me

timperkins - 7-7-2004 at 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Big Al
When going to baja, I freeze everything. [Edited on 6-4-2004 by Big Al]

Big Al is right... The trick is to freeze everything that won't explode, including a full gallon or two of milk. Store the frozen stuff at the bottom of the freezer, packing your frozen drinks along the sides of the cooler.

Whenever you can find it, buy ice and top off your cooler. Buy your Pacifico cold and keep a smaller cooler handy for fishing out the cervaza.

bajataco - 7-11-2004 at 12:02 PM

I must agree that the fridge-freezer units can spoil you (not your food) in a hurry :biggrin:

I put a 60L Norcold (same as Engel/ARB) behind the seat in my Tacoma