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Armed car jacking

MikeYounghusband - 2-9-2009 at 05:02 PM

Just got word that there was a car jacking at gun point just south of Loreto on the highway. No injuries but lost the car and all belongings. Be careful out there.

[Edited on 2-10-2009 by spi619]

More info?

pangamadness - 2-10-2009 at 07:56 AM

Can we get some more details? time of day? flagged down on the side of the road? Stopped to help an old lady and she pulled a gun?

Please if you can pass on more info?

??? Is that...

Mexray - 2-10-2009 at 12:22 PM

...Armed car, jacking.....or Armed, car jacking???

In any event, being accosted on the open road is a nasty event!!!

If the purp's were faking a 'breakdown' and flagged down someone, it's going to eventually change the way we all approach such situations on the highways in Baja!

car jacking

MikeYounghusband - 2-11-2009 at 10:41 AM

Sorry I got this information from Lynn Hamman in Loreto and there was no additional information. Simply stated it was a car jacking where toutists were forced from thier vehicle at gunpoint and all of thier belongings including thier car (rental) was taken. Yes it seems that stopping to help for any reason except to help Americans can be very dangerous.
Hope it was an isolated case and we will hear no more about this sort of thing in that area or any other area for that matter.

DianaT - 2-11-2009 at 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by spi619
Yes it seems that stopping to help for any reason except to help Americans can be very dangerous.

And what would happen to many of us if all the Mexicans only stopped to help other Mexicans because there are some dangerous Americans :?:

Diane

Woooosh - 2-11-2009 at 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by spi619
Sorry I got this information from Lynn Hamman in Loreto and there was no additional information. Simply stated it was a car jacking where toutists were forced from thier vehicle at gunpoint and all of thier belongings including thier car (rental) was taken. Yes it seems that stopping to help for any reason except to help Americans can be very dangerous.
Hope it was an isolated case and we will hear no more about this sort of thing in that area or any other area for that matter.

I think it's time for a "BAJA NOMAD" emergency banner. You keep it in your car and attach it to your antenae to signal other nomads in the event of an emergency.

When it get's to the point that we only help or request help from the ones we know- it's time to move. I'm sure where that move would be to.

We haev more predators up here. Sadly- in Baja Norte the "deporteees" (twenty-something heavily tatooed freshly-deported/prison-released english speaking gang members) know the "decencey" of the american people and use it to their advantage against us. If you were raised with decency you are easier prey for crimanals. If they are looking around for who their next meal is going to come from- it's going to be the most approachable, vulnerable and open-minded ones.

Maybe the bad guys act like they need roadside help or their car broke down. Maybe they help you at the ATM, or maybe they ask you outright for money. They have charm and con-skills they've honed on hundreds of people before you.

And who steals a rental car to keep? I remember Colorado changing all the car rental license plates because tourists were being followed and targeted. All rental car plates issued started with the same two letters- so crooks could spot them and locals could give them extra space on the winter highways (much more space if they had a cowboy hat while driving a vehicle with rental plates).

If the car rental agency has their ad on a plate frame or sticker- it could be used by bad guys here too.

[Edited on 2-11-2009 by Woooosh]

Bajahowodd - 2-11-2009 at 02:40 PM

I don't know that it is particularly helpful to post incidents without substantiation. It make some nervous; others angry. Maybe it happened. But, we can all conjure up a story. Not saying that spi619 didn't have good intentions, but without much, if any corroboration, it helps little.

fdt - 2-11-2009 at 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by spi619
Yes it seems that stopping to help for any reason except to help Americans can be very dangerous.

What planet are you from?

DianaT - 2-11-2009 at 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by fdt

Quote:

Originally posted by spi619
Yes it seems that stopping to help for any reason except to help Americans can be very dangerous.

What planet are you from?

Good question, Ferna,

So maybe the next time you see a gringo who needs help, you should run the other way. Afterall, there are some very dangerous gringos around. :rolleyes:

spi619,
If the carjacking really happened, I am very sorry and would like more information. However, JMHO, with the attitude you expressed, I wonder why you would even want to travel south of the border.
Diane

[Edited on 2-11-2009 by jdtrotter]

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-11-2009 at 05:48 PM

[Edited on 2-12-2009 by ELINVESTI8]

vandenberg - 2-11-2009 at 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I don't know that it is particularly helpful to post incidents without substantiation. It make some nervous; others angry. Maybe it happened. But, we can all conjure up a story. Not saying that spi619 didn't have good intentions, but without much, if any corroboration, it helps little.

Howodd,
I din't want to chime in, since I don't know any facts, just heresay.
But I heard from some Loreto Bay folks that it involved a couple on their honeymoon, traveling south from Loreto on Hw 1, got cut of by an other vehicle and then robbed at gunpoint. Took all their possessions, including passports and other paperwork, and left them at the side of the road with their clothes.
Like I stated, this is heresay for me, but no doubt some truth to this.

Von - 2-11-2009 at 08:52 PM

Man that really sucks man!

Bajahowodd - 2-12-2009 at 12:10 AM

Vandenberg- If it happened, too bad. Really. The more details, the better, to help folks protect themselves. I just felt that the way this was presented was more like a rumor than fact. Seems to me that there are more than enough folks in the area, as well as police and press, to have made this more than "Lynn Hamman sent me an e-mail". That's all.

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Mulegena - 2-12-2009 at 07:51 AM

Yes, we all care deeply about life in Baja. Mebbee we smell a Troll. I've worked in the newspaper business and without substantiation... well, it didn't happen. Yesterday, I got mad at the racist/culturalist remark made here and responded with anger... then pulled my post because of the "peace,love,fish tacos" creed of this board.

Substantiate or troll no more!

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-12-2009 at 08:01 AM

With a screen name like spi619 what else could it be but a previously banned person or just a troublemaker on the loose!

baja Steve - 2-12-2009 at 08:38 AM

I have talked to a lot of People in loreto the last couple days and nobody has heard about it, other than what they say is a bad rumor

Don Alley - 2-12-2009 at 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Vandenberg- If it happened, too bad. Really. The more details, the better, to help folks protect themselves. I just felt that the way this was presented was more like a rumor than fact. Seems to me that there are more than enough folks in the area, as well as police and press, to have made this more than "Lynn Hamman sent me an e-mail". That's all.

This event was mentioned in an email from Lynn Hammon. Lynn's emails are the local gringo bulletin board giving us news of local events. She puts a lot of time and effort into them and they are accurate. Her work is much appreciated. So this thread comes from a very reliable source.

I've also heard additional accounts. A couple did lose their rental car and luggage to robbers on the highway south of Ligui.

DianaT - 2-12-2009 at 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by Don Alley

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It is good to know this is a reliable source and I am really sorry that this happened. I hope it was an isolated inncident.

Rental cars do seem to be a target in lots of places---I remember when there was a real problem in Florida very similar to this. Are the rental cars in Baja marked?

I am also sorry the original poster chose to make the comment about only helping Americans, it was very offensive and did take away from his/her credibility.

Thanks for the information---tis good to know.

Diane

Bajahowodd - 2-12-2009 at 12:43 PM

Don- I know who Lynn Hamman is. and I don't doubt her veracity. Maybe I'm just too much of a voyeur, or so used to tabloids, that I felt those bones needed more meat on them.

capt. mike - 2-12-2009 at 03:42 PM

friends of this couple posted about it on BBP.

Ignorance Alert!

Bajahowodd - 2-12-2009 at 04:10 PM

BBP? :?:

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tehag - 2-12-2009 at 05:27 PM

Lynn's posts are solid as far as I know.

BBP - Baja Bush Pilots, I think.

Rentals have a rose, air-brushed stripe across the bottom of the license plate. Not hard to spot. Also, most have some form of advertising, bumper sticker, or decal.

Bajahowodd - 2-12-2009 at 09:44 PM

Not questioning Lynn's integrity. Just wondering about the source.

Baja Bush Pilot

Stickers - 2-13-2009 at 12:31 AM

One of the members posted on our message board (Feb 11) that he met the couple from New Mexico that were the victims of the car jacking and robbery.

Bajahowodd - 2-13-2009 at 12:57 AM

Sheesh! Still no details.

Some details of this event.

flyfishinPam - 2-13-2009 at 09:35 AM

I am very concerned about this event and wish to share the details that I know. First of all I want to mention that I work in the tourism industry in Loreto. So I am a stakeholder in the outcome of our future in Loreto. There will be many people who will disagree with what I am about to post but my philosophy includes the fact that the safety of our tourists and citizens must come first.

I did not speak with the persons who were victims of this event. The first instance that I heard about this incident was on Monday evening while reading my handheld after a very long day conducting a whale watching tour in Lopez Mateos. I worked all day saturday and cleaned my house and cooked all day on sunday only leaving to shop briefly at the tianguis. So on seeing the original post, twice no less, I phoned a person who I knew would know some details. The details that I received were mostly incorrect but a friend of mine whose name was mentioned did some translated for the couple at the judicial. On tuesday I spoke with that person as I had already set up a lunch date with them anyway.

My friends who spent a lot of time with the couple who were carjacked own a shop in the center of town. When the couple walked in to browse, they struck up a conversation with them along the lines of "how long have you been in Loreto, has your trip been enjoyable and where are you from?" This is when they were told that the couple had been carjacked the previous day. So what I am about to describe, comes from my personal friends and not the couple themselves:

The couple who is from New Mexico flew into the airport at San Jose del Cabo for their honeymoon trip and rented a vehicle. I do not know the make/model or rental agency of this vehicle. They had spent time camping at Conception Bay so of course had all the camping gear inside the car that was used for this trip.

They were on their way South on the highway with the destination being the los Cabos area because that's where their departing flight was to leave. As they passed through the Loreto area it was just before noon on Friday February 6, 2009. I do not know if they stopped in Loreto, used the bank or fueled up but when they passed the entrance to Nopolo/Loreto Bay, (I am not sure which of the two entrances) an old car came out and was driving behind them. The husband (driver) in the rental car then noticed that the car was swerving and then starting to follow them closely. He did mention to my friend that he said to his new wife, "that car looks like its on its last leg and probably won't last very long". At this time the old car sped up and passed them then continued Southbound until they could no longer see it.

After passing the Puerto Escondido turn off the road is pretty flat and straight until right before you reach the little village of Ligui then there are curves. After Ligui the road continues to curve then you go through an arroyo then you climb up through the mountain pass at Ligui. After they passed Ligui, and before the ascent through the pass, they saw the old car parked perpindicular to the road blocking their passage, and with the two men in masks with at least one of them pointing a gun at the couple who were approaching in their vehicle.

My details are unclear at this point but somehow the woman got out of the car and cut her leg. The husband stayed in the car and thought about driving backwards but likely decided that since his wife was already outside of the vehicle it would be best to also get out. He had a wallet on him. The assailants then approached the rental and one got in and drove off. The old car also drove off with both headed south.

A couple of asides-
there is no cellphone reception in that area. The cell signal pretty much stops just south of the rise south of the golf course at Nopolo. Two way radios could be used for communication as we communicate this way when conducting our bus tours to Lopez Mateos. Also from that point it is over one hour to the next town, Villa Insurgentes.

The couple were left to travel on foot. All of the belongings in the vehicle were taken...luggage, camping gear, cameras with honeymoon memory photos (bummer), passports, etc. They were soon picked up by students that were traveling North from La Paz.

The students knew that the federales have a permanent office right alongside the highway and inside Nopolo and they weren't very far. So they took the couple there. At this point the woman was bleeding pretty badly on her leg.

At the office of the federales they received no help at all. They were told to go to Loreto and speak with seguridad publica (the municipal police). So they went to Loreto. Aside from me- this disturbs me deeply because at this point in time a roadblock could have easily be put in place and the assailants caught before they arrived in Villa Insurgentes.

On arriving at the seguridad publica in Loreto they were told that they had to go to the ministerio publico and file the complaint. The muni police were at least nice to them albeit powerless to do anything about it. They then went to the ministerio publico and filed their complaint. The students helped them through that and until they checked into a downtown hotel. The following day the couple walked around town and that's when they went into my friends shop.

After explaining what had happened to them, my friends called the local US consular representative to come and help them with their paperwork so that they could leave Mexico for the USA on their flight. I was also told that later on, the rental vehicle was found, emptied of the contents, in Cuidad Constitucion.

All in all it wasn't a very welcoming experience for tourists to have in Loreto. The attitude by the consular agent and many people in tourism here was and maybe still is to keep it under out hat. Well my arguments against this position are as follows:

This story was already on the internet as on Monday evening only three days after the event had happened, so this is no longer under anyone's hat at this point. Also rumors generally change over time and the subsequent stories usually worsten so as to hold interest and gain attention. People fear most that which they do not know. The details have been asked for here and a full understanding of these details will enable people to make very important decisions which will affect their lives. This event will change the way my family travels as well. IF we rent a vehicle as we usually do, my dark Mexican husband will be the driver and MAYBE when we are getting passed and perhaps scoped out as a possible easy target, my man may be a deterrent for them. I ALONE even with my kids or gringo friends will no longer rent a vehicle and travel alone. Perhaps we must think seriously about caravans. And we as a community must be honest with the public and ourselves and SERIOUSLY address this. Keeping vital information from people is not seriously addressing this.

Another aside- There have been many layoffs in the construction industry here. Generally when a crime happens the locals blame "the outsiders" but after having been here for over ten years, don't believe it! This is simply not always the case.

Perhaps Mike who is a member of BBP can copy and paste the story that was posted there so we can compare these and hopefully find any pieces of information that mine is missing.

I have been conducting tours over the past few days but watched this thread develop and felt that it was time for some clarity. I am very sorry that this happened but I would be a fool to think it can't happen again. I find onf of the above posts regarding rental vehicles in Colorado, USA quite interesting and perhaps we can learn from the experiences there on how to deal with this.

I love this place and seriously appreciate its natural beauty and history. There are many good people here. Peace.

bajamigo - 2-13-2009 at 09:49 AM

So if the Federales couldn't or wouldn't help this couple, who were victimized on a federal highway, what the heck do they do in their "permanent" Nopolo office? Had they gotten off their a**es and done even the minimum, this story might have had a very different outcome.

desertcpl - 2-13-2009 at 11:13 AM

i agree,, thats really bull chit

Bajahowodd - 2-13-2009 at 01:06 PM

Thank you, Pam. I would have preferred this to have been one of those unfounded rumors. That being said, it is vital that we folks who spend considerable time traveling Baja are kept well informed. An important point that Pam made was that the economic downturn is also a reality in Mexico. When people don't have jobs, some get desperate. At this point, it would appear to be a random act of violence. And some solace should be taken in the fact, notwithstanding the woman apparently hurting herself, that these crooks did not physically harm the victims. But someone really ought to investigate those Federales.

capt. mike - 2-13-2009 at 02:24 PM

info on BBP is only a sentence or 2 that says this happened - no details.

BeachBusker - 2-13-2009 at 02:28 PM

Thank you Pam. For my first post I would like to say Baja Nomad is my #1 news source for all of the penninsula. Your eyes-open factual accounts are a welcome relief from the rumor mills and agenda pushers. I'm happy arrangements were made to assist the couple in returning home.

I tried to register during Hurricane John. But, my account disappeared into cyberspace. I was able to stop and see some friends in Mulege during the aftermath. They were all doing well, recovering & cleaning up. It gave me a taste of the work I would be doing for the next 6 weeks in my area.

My experience with the Federales has been pretty good. I know their radios won't penetrate the mountains. But you'd think a simple phone call down the road could have apprehended these crooks. I'd surely like to hear their explainaton.

OT, I hear great things about Loreto kayak tours. Is that what you do Pam?

BigWooo - 2-14-2009 at 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
A couple of asides-
there is no cellphone reception in that area. The cell signal pretty much stops just south of the rise south of the golf course at Nopolo. Two way radios could be used for communication as we communicate this way when conducting our bus tours to Lopez Mateos. Also from that point it is over one hour to the next town, Villa Insurgentes.

You mention two way radios. I know nothing about them. Is there a common monitored radio/frequency throughout BCS a person could access with a radio in their car? Getting the word out early about a similar situation in the future may help with the recovery, or at least let someone know you're in trouble, although it would do nothing to remedy the immediate situation.

[Edited on 2-14-2009 by BigWooo]

shari - 2-14-2009 at 08:32 AM

Pam is totallly right...we can't just poo poo these issues anymore...it can happen to anybody and as the economy goes for a dump...the desperate use desperate measures so one has to alter one's travel behaviors. It aint like it used to be ....however these types of things have always happened before too but are going to increase for sure. We carry cel phones and 2 meter radios as well for safety and made plans for "what if" scenarios...like what happened to these poor unsuspecting people.
Of course rental cars and wealthy travellers are more of a target but it can happen to anyone...mexican too...we got chased once by a pick up...scared the sweet bejesus out of me...but they gave up the chase when we turned onto the dirt road to Asuncion...guess they didnt like washboard!
Juan wont let me drive alone anymore either...he says if someone is blocking the road, dont stop...go off the road or around or whatever if you can...try not to stop...do a quick U turn...whatever....we now only stop to help people we know or quickly assess the situation...if it's an obvious problem they have or women and kids etc...no more stopping for guys in pick ups...uh uh.

BajaDove - 2-14-2009 at 08:36 AM

My first thought was the federales could contact a check point and have the cars detained, but then if there were guns in the car they weren't going through a check point.
I'm afraid I agree we who love Baja always blame the other side but this seems to have been done by those who knew the area well.

Thanks for the info

pangamadness - 2-14-2009 at 09:45 AM

Getting tough to find people who will go south with me anymore. Wifes have been out for a while but now they dont want the husbands to go. Did something else happen a while ago that involved someone from constatution? Maybe the murder at Playa Requason where the jeep was taken?

JaraHurd - 2-14-2009 at 01:44 PM

Shari and Pam I want to commend the both of you. You both risk losing business with your honest disclosures. In actuality it has made me want to go fishing again in Loreto and to finally meet you Shari....more than ever. Why? Because I know that when i ask you two an honest question I will get an honest answer. Regardless of the imipact it will have on your business. You have absolute credibility to me and I hope to see you both very soon in the near future!! !! I hope to be making a southbound trip to Bahia A soon!! !

Bajahowodd - 2-14-2009 at 02:36 PM

It occurs to me that where this happened is fairly well-traveled, and nowhere near as remote as some sections of Highway 1.

shari - 2-14-2009 at 03:08 PM

the one thing remote villages have going for them, is there is very little crime because they usually get caught..everyone is related and watches out for each other and there is only onne or two roads out...we also have such good vigilancia here...security patrols 24/7. But these new attacks are so bold and the police response sooooo lame which is a shame.
thanks for your kind words Jara....rest assured that the local mexican people are just as horrified and nervous as the tourists are.

Don Alley - 2-14-2009 at 03:44 PM

I have two new TV pilots in the early stages of development that I hope Nomads will watch. Hopefully to debut next season.

"CSI: Loreto"

"Law and Order: Who's Paying For My Tacos?"

Bajahowodd - 2-14-2009 at 03:47 PM

Not that early. Weren't you filming South of Loreto last week? :bounce:

BajaDove - 2-15-2009 at 12:08 PM

If you need help on the script the writer's group in La Paz will welcome you.

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-15-2009 at 12:33 PM

If the road is totally blocked by someone other than marked police or military; and if it is not a BAD BAD accident causing the blockage then it is probably someone up to no good. If you have no escape route to either side of the problem you either do a U-Turn if the situation permits and haul butt or as a last resort because they are probably going to rob and kill you anyway if they get you stopped, you engage your vehicle into a high speed battering ram and go for it. They may move their vehicle in time before impact if they see what you are doing or they may not and in that case everyone probably dies. At least you took some of them out before they could get away with murder!

Iflyfish - 2-15-2009 at 12:46 PM

There are wonderful people in Baja and on this board. Thanks Pam and Shari for the real scoop. Knowledge is power and I appreciate the Nomads for sharing their knowledge with us all.

Iflyfish

It's happening everywhere

bajabeachbabe - 2-15-2009 at 03:42 PM

I was shocked to hear about the carjacking south of Loreto, but this happened yesterday in my neighborhood less than 2 miles from my house. People are getting desperate.

Police chase ends in I-5 collision

06:51 PM PST on Saturday, February 14, 2009

By CHRIS DANIELS / KING 5 News

SEATTLE – A police chase involving a Kirkland carjacking suspect ended Saturday afternoon with a collision on southbound Interstate 5.

The collision blocked all lanes of southbound I-5 in downtown Seattle, which was already clogged by construction. It caused traffic to back up for miles.
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The incident started a few minutes after noon. Kirkland police say a man in his late 50s or early 60s was sitting in his car at the Totem Lake park- and-ride when a knife-wielding man approached and demanded the car. The victim handed over the keys and the suspect fled.

A Medina police officer saw the stolen blue Jaguar and chased it westbound on SR 520 and then south on I-5.

One report suggests the suspect was driving more than 60 miles an hour through a stretch of I-5 already backed up by traffic and active construction.

Police say a carjacking suspect fled across 520 and onto southbound I-5 before crashing into two vehicles Saturday afternoon in Seattle.

The suspect finally clipped two other cars and came to rest on I-5 north near the Denny Bridge.

Police and medics pulled the suspect out and rushed him to Harborview Medical Center, along with one of the other injured drivers.

The suspect's identity is unclear.

The carjacking victim, who lives in Kirkland, was not injured.

Bajahowodd - 2-15-2009 at 04:35 PM

One never knows when and where random crime will occur. We should always be paying attention to our surroundings. But in fact, there is no vaccine to totally protect anyone. Anywhere.

Barry A. - 2-15-2009 at 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
One never knows when and where random crime will occur. We should always be paying attention to our surroundings. But in fact, there is no vaccine to totally protect anyone. Anywhere.

-------Hmmmmmmm(??)-----my .41 magnum goes a long way towards fulfilling that "vaccine"----------at least in the USA. In Mexico, or Canada, well you are on your own. (which is why I seldom go to either place anymore)

Barry

Bajahowodd - 2-15-2009 at 05:07 PM

You can add much of the industrialized world to you off-limits list.

djh - 2-15-2009 at 05:22 PM

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Police and medics pulled the suspect out and rushed him to Harborview Medical Center

Hmmm..... I'd have let him rot. Odd to hear myself even say that, but . . . . I guess age and a life full of experiences and observations has "changed" me.

BajaDove - 2-15-2009 at 06:01 PM

Carry a gun any where, turn you back, and a criminal has a gun.
You may give a virgin his chance to fire a weapon.

Barry A. - 2-15-2009 at 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by BajaDove
Carry a gun any where, turn you back, and a criminal has a gun.
You may give a virgin his chance to fire a weapon.

--------that'il be the day, podner!!!! :spingrin:

DENNIS - 2-15-2009 at 07:12 PM

Take Karate lessons. Then the guy with the gun will laugh himself to death while you strike a pose like a peeed-off chicken.

Bajahowodd - 2-15-2009 at 08:00 PM

I think it would be rude to shoot a virgin.

found on road

msawin - 2-15-2009 at 08:32 PM

What type of media would we have with the two men in ski masks found shot dead on the highway? Would there be any intrest in finding the bandido?

<martino> :fire:

Barry A. - 2-15-2009 at 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by msawin
What type of media would we have with the two men in ski masks found shot dead on the highway? Would there be any intrest in finding the bandido?

<martino> :fire:

Now THAT is/would be a story worth reading. Barry

oxxo - 4-22-2009 at 10:15 AM

This was posted today on Loreto Trip Advisor by "Geo172" from New Mexico. It is her first and only post on that forum.

Hi,

This story is actually about me and my husband, although we haven't posted anyting on the internet ourselves. Many of the details are correct. However, the gunmen's car was going slowly out of Nopolo, so we passed them. They had no license plates and dark-tinted windows, which seems pretty typical for Baja, so we noted it but didn't think anything of it. They trailed us at quite a distance until we got to the steep winding section of the highway, at which time they caught up to us, passed us, and immediately stopped in the road in front of us (at a slight angle to block the other lane a bit). By the time we realized they were coming to a complete stop, our car was much too close to pull around them, and backing up or turning around would have been very difficult on this windy shelf road. I actually thought it was road rage until the passenger got out with a 45 semi-automatic pistol.

Thanks.

DENNIS - 4-22-2009 at 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by oxxo
This was posted today on Loreto Trip Advisor by "Geo172" from New Mexico. It is her first and only post on that forum.

Hi,

This story is actually about me and my husband, although we haven't posted anyting on the internet ourselves. Many of the details are correct. However, the gunmen's car was going slowly out of Nopolo, so we passed them. They had no license plates and dark-tinted windows, which seems pretty typical for Baja, so we noted it but didn't think anything of it. They trailed us at quite a distance until we got to the steep winding section of the highway, at which time they caught up to us, passed us, and immediately stopped in the road in front of us (at a slight angle to block the other lane a bit). By the time we realized they were coming to a complete stop, our car was much too close to pull around them, and backing up or turning around would have been very difficult on this windy shelf road. I actually thought it was road rage until the passenger got out with a 45 semi-automatic pistol.

Thanks.

And what happened next???

rpleger - 4-22-2009 at 10:54 AM

They must have returned to New Mexico. How?

surfer jim - 4-22-2009 at 04:31 PM

Perhaps an elderly couple driving a U-HAUL truck gave them a ride north....

Bajahowodd - 4-22-2009 at 04:53 PM

Just an additional odd entry to what has been an odd thread. One would only think that if people had lived the experience fleshed out here over many posts, they would really want to tell the world. Unless something very embarrassing happened.