BajaNomad - Speeding in Baja

Speeding in Baja

Bajahowodd - 2-18-2009 at 12:32 PM

Since there have been several suggestions made on other threads to start a specific thread dealing with the experiences and consequences of speeding drivers, here's a start.

In my opinion, there are three most likely causes of speeding on the peninsula:

1- Unreasonable expectations. How many times have I seen posts on this forum where people list their schedule and make Guerrero Negro their first stop on a Southbound trip? Just an example. But that distance covered on a highway that has so many dangers should be considered unrealistic. There are so many fine hotels, motels, campsites and restaurants along the way, it would seem to me that just planning one extra day in each direction could allow people to slow down. Sorry to those who see President's Day weekend as ideal for a whale trip :spingrin:

2- Erratic highway conditions. You can just look at a mileage chart to estimate your time. All of us have been caught in the mountains behind big rigs, busses and motor homes. Sure, it's frustrating. Same with the populated agricultural corridor around San Quintin. That frustration often leads driver to try and make up time when they hit unpopulated straightaways.
3- Perhaps just a slight lack of respect for Mexican Law. 65 on a speed limit sign is oviously not MPH, but I'd really love to give a polygraph test to anyone who wants to tell me they never exceed the speed limit.

Finally, I'm guilty. A trip from Cabo to the border with a single overnight in San Ignacio. :wow:

BajaDove - 2-18-2009 at 12:53 PM

Baja travel is not a scheduled event. It's aim for GN if we don't make it we'll find someplace where the trucks pull off.
many's the time on a straight we find going seventy and we're being passed by everyone on the road.

Barry A. - 2-18-2009 at 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by BajaDove
Baja travel is not a scheduled event. It's aim for GN if we don't make it we'll find someplace where the trucks pull off.
many's the time on a straight we find going seventy and we're being passed by everyone on the road.

So, your attitude is, "I will take my chances", and it must be ok since "others" are passing me when I am going 70?

I still shudder when I think of the other folks that share the road with speeders---------speed is simply not fair to others, it seems to me. Mex. 1 was designed for 45 mph------I have seldom gone faster than that-----maybe 60 max. on the straight-a-ways when no traffic in sight. I pull way to the right to let others by me-----sometimes even pulling off the road to let them go by, if possible (which it seldom is). I plan for that speed, and no faster------------I don't understand what you mean when you say "baja travel is not a scheduled event"?

Just my opinion, of course, but the subject is really scary to me.

Barry

TonyC - 2-18-2009 at 01:04 PM

Guilty....speeding on the straightaways to San Quintin. No need for polygraph.

The Mexicans are also guilty for not respecting their laws. I've seen them (cars, trucks, and big rigs) passing in the mountain passes.

However, your right, two wrongs don't make a right. I'll try to remember.....tranquilo. Thanks.

DianaT - 2-18-2009 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd

In my opinion, there are three most likely causes of speeding on the peninsula:

1- Unreasonable expectations. How many times have I seen posts on this forum where people list their schedule and make Guerrero Negro their first stop on a Southbound trip?

We are guilty of driving probably too fast on many of the straight parts of the road---easy for the speed to creep up, but we never do 100 like someone else suggested. But we also don't drive 45. We also know how dangerous those straight, flat places can be---seen lots of accidents and that does slow us down.

Around the GN area, the road looks flat, but is not flat---and then is the livestock that appear out of nowhere. Saw a motorcycle that hit a cow after one of the not so easy to see dips and it was awful.

As far as making GN the first day, we often do that. We really wish there were more alternatives maybe a little south of Catavina. El Rosario is too soon to stop for us, the Desert Inn in Catavina is really expensive and Linda's, well if we are tired, it is OK, but from there to GN there are no alternatives that we know about.

That last 2 1/2 hours from Catavina to GN is often very tiring, so now if we could just have a Baja Cactus or Jardines out between Catavina and BN, that would be perfect!

Diane

Fred - 2-18-2009 at 01:32 PM

No wonder I take 4 weeks to get to Los Barriles from Tecate.

fishbuck - 2-18-2009 at 01:47 PM

I guess I started this.
Yes, it's true I drive scarry fast in Baja. I don't like it either.
An example is my upcoming trip for whale watching.
I will get off work on Thursday night and drive to Ensenada. Than up early and drive to Guerrero Negro. Whale watch on Saturday and hopfully be done by noon or so.
Then haul tail back to San Quintin. Up early and back to Costa Mesa and to (Long Beach) work by 3 pm.
That's Thursday night from 11:30 to Monday at 3:00pm.
Thats 1000 miles of driving.
Now you know why I want to fly down instead of drive.
And yes there are probably 2-3 spots where I'd like to do 100mph

TonyC - 2-18-2009 at 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Mex. 1 was designed for 45 mph------I have seldom gone faster than that-----maybe 60 max. on the straight-a-ways when no traffic in sight. I pull way to the right to let others by me-----sometimes even pulling off the road to let them go by, if possible (which it seldom is). I plan for that speed, and no faster.

Barry

Speeding will put other drivers in danger. However, going 45 mph IMHO can also do the same.

Skipjack Joe - 2-18-2009 at 01:54 PM

Our solution to high speed driving is to visit baja less frequently but for longer periods of time. I no longer go to baja for less than one month at a time.

The goal when driving the highway for us is not to get from A to B but is the experience itself. We never drive fast because we don't have to, and when it's time, we simply drive off-road somewhere and set up camp. The mornings are slow affairs as I like to walk around for an hour with the binoculars, followed by a cup of coffee, and only then do we even think of preparations for continuing the journey.

I just think that the 'highway' is really just a country road that was built with that sort of traveler in mind. It's seldom used that way any longer and hence the fatalities.

CaboRon - 2-18-2009 at 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck
I guess I started this.
Yes, it's true I drive scarry fast in Baja. I don't like it either.
An example is my upcoming trip for whale watching.
I will get off work on Thursday night and drive to Ensenada. Than up early and drive to Guerrero Negro. Whale watch on Saturday and hopfully be done by noon or so.
Then haul tail back to San Quintin. Up early and back to Costa Mesa and to (Long Beach) work by 3 pm.
That's Thursday night from 11:30 to Monday at 3:00pm.
Thats 1000 miles of driving.
Now you know why I want to fly down instead of drive.
And yes there are probably 2-3 spots where I'd like to do 100mph

I just pray that no one else is hurt .............

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bajabass - 2-18-2009 at 02:02 PM

I am guilty as well. Have done Mulege to Orange (CA) in 17 hours. CSL to Orange in 2 days. I do watch the limit MOST of the time. Stop to stretch the legs, eat, make the bladder gladder, ect. The trip back from Cabo, I drove to San Bruno on day 1, ended in Orange day 2. Dawn to dark makes for a long day. I am always very careful in the little towns, the mountains, the grades into Santa Rosalia and Mulege. Always watch the vados real carefully. I love breakfast in Ensenada, tamales outside G.N., and dinner at Serenidad. All in one day!!! :saint:

fishbuck - 2-18-2009 at 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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I just pray that no one else is hurt .............

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The only thing that is going to get hurt is my a$$ from 20 plus hours of driving in a little less than three days.
The funny thing is there will still be people passing me.

bajabass - 2-18-2009 at 02:18 PM

You are driving to slow Fishbuck. You should tail me to San Bruno sometime. Leave O.C. Friday A.M., fish Isla San Marcos Saturday and Sunday, back in O.C. on Monday night with a cooler full of yellowtail, and a load of bread from the bakery in Santa Rosalia. YUM!!!

fishbuck - 2-18-2009 at 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by bajabass
You are driving to slow Fishbuck. You should tail me to San Bruno sometime. Leave O.C. Friday A.M., fish Isla San Marcos Saturday and Sunday, back in O.C. on Monday night with a cooler full of yellowtail, and a load of bread from the bakery in Santa Rosalia. YUM!!!

That's my kind of trip!
But I suggest that you only need to drive to BOLA starting in spring. And only as far as San Quintin in summer,
Don't worry, I drive plenty fast but can only take about 5 hours worth before I would like to be sitting in a bar with a cold beer in my hand and a hot sinorita... well... you know!

But lets fly my plane instead. 3 hours from the border to Mulege.

Bajafun777 - 2-18-2009 at 02:34 PM

Speed is a number one killer but also the times of the day you are driving also increase your chances of a wreck facing these issues. Big trucks are always passing the double lines and could care less if it runs you off the road have had this happen so many times that I do not care to even think about it. My solution is just about come to what Skipjack Joe says to do and I do not do the 2 or 3 day quick runs anymore unless it is like Ensenada, The Rock or San Felipe. Just do not want the drama and ruins the trip down with making you and your partner argue about chances taken or those that took chances you were not giving a big enough lead even if you have to stop trying to clear as much of the road if possible. I know people will disagree with this but I wish they had a toll road all the way down, I know, I know it will ruin it-----maybe or maybe not. I use the toll road mainland all the way to Mazatlan will not one arguement about driving issues with my rider. Just makes the trip more enjoyable and I still get off when I want to the little towns or side shopping at the toll road venders. Since the roads in Mexico have such high drop offs you will roll your vehicle if trying to get over in most areas, so somebody's elses B.S. driving mistake becomes yours too :fire:

!!! I have also had large trucks get some damn close almost pushing you in turns and cutbacks that you know increasing speed is not the thing to do. You probably all got the point that I really have an issue with big truck drivers. Later-------- bajafun777

bajabass - 2-18-2009 at 02:54 PM

Sinorita, a Fruedian slip? A sinning senorita? I would really like to do a 3 or 4 day to BOLA or Bahia Asuncion. Give me a little lead time Fishbuck, and I am in. My wife has family in San Bruno, and the fishing is incredible most of the time. I have friends in San Quintin as well. Need to hit Huraches on a Friday night, and California Hot Dogs for a 2am snack!! Best slow death dogs in Baja!! Hey, a WSB-YT trip in late March??

DianaT - 2-18-2009 at 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Our solution to high speed driving is to visit baja less frequently but for longer periods of time. I no longer go to baja for less than one month at a time.

The goal when driving the highway for us is not to get from A to B but is the experience itself. We never drive fast because we don't have to, and when it's time, we simply drive off-road somewhere and set up camp. The mornings are slow affairs as I like to walk around for an hour with the binoculars, followed by a cup of coffee, and only then do we even think of preparations for continuing the journey.

Yea, we used to travel that way, but it does seem to be different now that we have the home in Bahia Asuncion---we tend to be more destination oriented and then take trips from there.

bajabass - 2-18-2009 at 03:21 PM

Sorry, got sidetracked again. I can drive a long time(all day), but am normally VERY safe. Baja is beautiful, but can be deadly to the brash, bold, and inexperienced driver. Drive a little slower, but longer. Daylight only as well. I did one night drive from Ensenada to Bahia Concepcion and it was scary indeed. Slow down, enjoy the views, and ARRIVE ALIVE!!!

tripledigitken - 2-18-2009 at 03:51 PM

Some thoughts on this subject.

Mexican speed limits with few exceptions (mostly in towns) will be broken by most drivers. Let's get that one out of the way first.

Goals for 1st day (such as GN) are dependant on the time of year, what you are driving and what your experience is.

Are you counting your start time as you cross the border be it Tecate or Tijuana?

We easily make GN crossing at TJ around 6am in summer in our SUV. It's a tough haul if we were driving the 3/4 ton with camper though.

In winter we won't try to get to GN the first day with the camper but can make it in the SUV.

As others have said the roads don't allow much room for error, no matter how experienced a driver you think you are.

Being flexible with your schedule is key no matter what you are driving.

And Diane, I came across that fatal motorcycle accident you spoke of also, very sobering.

Some of you that are covering long distances in winter I wish you good luck as you are taking on a lot of risk for your pleasure in Baja, IMHO!

Ken

Bajahowodd - 2-18-2009 at 03:52 PM

And no one hydrates with Tecate along the either??

[Edited on 2-18-2009 by Bajahowodd]

Barry A. - 2-18-2009 at 04:03 PM

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Perfect!!!! That is the way we travel, also.

I work at not holding others up, so go out of my way to let others get by me without endangering them (and others) in the process. It is pretty easy to do with my small truck camper-----much harder I suppose with one of those "elephant rigs" :lol:

We NEVER drive beyond San Quintin (actually just south of there) the first day, and often stop at the old La Pinta in Catavina the next night, more for the food than for the nights stay, but it is fun to walk around Catavina after stopping at about 3 or 4 pm. We are normally camping, so that makes it a lot more flexible, but we still camp pretty close to Catavina, and the "food".

Diane is so right-------they really need "something" (gas and lodging) between Catavina and GN, and that has been so forever. We usually drive from Catavina to San Ignacio the third day, and hang it up there pretty early-------such a neat place to spend the afternoon and evening. Fast trips to Baja are just not our "cup of tea".

Barry

Bajahowodd - 2-18-2009 at 04:38 PM

Not quite sure what expensive means, but both Desert Inns in Catavina and San Ignacio, having been remodeled in the past couple of years charge $75. I remember paying $100 years ago. I don't think the rate has much to do with currency fluctuation, because I was quoted $75 last summer when the exchange was 9.5 to 1.

fishbuck - 2-18-2009 at 05:09 PM

The speed limit is 250 knots below 10,000 feet.
So if you want to make Baja safer for yourself you should all pitch in for my airplane rental so I will not need to fly my Ford on Highway 1.
If I can get say 100 Nomads to pitch in $25 each that will be enough for about 4 trips this year. Maybe 5.
So it's for a good cause and your own protection. :cool:

Paulina - 2-18-2009 at 05:12 PM

What is sad is that you can drive cautiously, take your time, enjoy the drive, spend a month or so, etc. and still be taken out around the next turn by those who turn into Robby Gordon when they cross the border.

Putting your own life in danger is one thing, but to put others lives at risk is just plain stupid IMO.

P.

fishbuck - 2-18-2009 at 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina
What is sad is that you can drive cautiously, take your time, enjoy the drive, spend a month or so, etc. and still be taken out around the next turn by those who turn into Robby Gordon when they cross the border.

Putting your own life in danger is one thing, but to put others lives at risk is just plain stupid IMO.

P.

Maybe you have a month to spend. But not everyone does.

Look, I'm not trying to justify fast driving. But the reality is that lots of people drive fast down there. It's a fact of life. The distances are very long. And if you don't have lots of time there is only one other way to cover those distances.
Speed.
The only other option is to not go. And for me that is not an option I am willing to accept.
Again, you can see why I am trying so hard to use the plane. It's much quicker and safer.

Barry A. - 2-18-2009 at 05:44 PM

3 cheers for airplanes. :yes:

bajacowboy - 2-18-2009 at 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck

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You should NOT be piloting an aircraft.

WHY!
It's self explanitory

DianaT - 2-18-2009 at 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck

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Do you fly an airplane as safely as you drive?

fishbuck - 2-18-2009 at 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by jdtrotter

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Originally posted by fishbuck

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Do you fly an airplane as safely as you drive?

If you really want to know you'll have to pitch in about $300 for a trip to Guerrero Negro.

fishbuck - 2-18-2009 at 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by bajacowboy

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Originally posted by fishbuck

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You should NOT be piloting an aircraft.

WHY!
It's self explanitory

Thank you for your unsolicited, uneducated comment about my flying skills. :lol:

marv sherrill - 2-18-2009 at 06:00 PM

skipjack joe - you said it all -

mtgoat666 - 2-18-2009 at 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck

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Originally posted by bajacowboy

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Originally posted by fishbuck

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You should NOT be piloting an aircraft.

WHY!
It's self explanitory

Thank you for your unsolicited, uneducated comment about my flying skills. :lol:

fishbuck,
your posts make you appear to be a greenhorn pilot. i actually have no idea if you have any experience, just saying what i'm thinkin' after i read your posts

back on topic,... best reason not to speed is that it's easy to get sloppy driving those long distances and very easy to drift off shoulder of the thin roads. when you depart roadway, your chance of survival at 50 mph is at least 3 times greater than at 70 mph.

also, you should slow down and yield to bicycles :lol:

fishbuck - 2-18-2009 at 06:10 PM

"greenhorn pilot"

Well the captain of the Buffalo crash had over 3000 flying hours.
The minimum time any pilot has that can legally carry passengers is 40 hours.
I have about 400 hours.
The minimum time in type for the Cherokee 6 where I fly is 10. I have about 50. All that is either Baja or dual instruction time.
I think the minimum time to be eligible to test for a Commercial Pilot license is 250.
So I'm hardly a "greenhorn pilot".

But ya, bicycles are the biggest danger in Baja!

Sharksbaja - 2-18-2009 at 06:14 PM

UH...er...uh...er....YES!....er.....NO!....er....fast....er.....slow...er...er...er :lol:

Bajahowodd - 2-18-2009 at 07:07 PM

And no one has checked in about drinking while driving.

woody with a view - 2-18-2009 at 07:23 PM

don't drink and drive....you might hit a bump and spill!!! :light:

and all the other reasons, too!

BajaNuts - 2-18-2009 at 07:33 PM

drinking and driving is a whole other thread!

We had some fast driving confessions at the start of this thread. I guess drinking and driving confessions should start their own thread.

I've done the long hauls both NOB and SOB. 16 hours in the seat with the single purpose of "hauling donkey" and making time. Didn't have a spouse or son then.

What would happen to my family, to my young son, if I am not here? What kind of grief would he and my husband have to endure? Why would I deliberatley add to the inherent risk of driving anywhere- let alone MX1- by driving aggressively, tired or too fast? I want to live and see my son grow up, to be there for him. To hopefully see grandbabies.....and to spoil them rotten as grandmothers are supposed to do.

If you were driving too fast, tired, or recklessly and God Forbid, you were involved in an accident that injured or killed another person........could you live with yourself knowing it might have been prevented?

I don't want to be your "innocent bystander".

I'm not saying don't speed, don't drive long hours, just don't put anyone else at risk if you choose to do so. Kill yourself, let the rest of us live.......

vgabndo - 2-18-2009 at 07:35 PM

It occurs to me that part of the reason folks don't pay much attention to the speed limits on the caraterra is that they are often very low even for that road. It MIGHT help if some of the nice straight 35 MPH sections had the limits raised.

It also occurs to me that the discussion is moot considering the normal behavior of folks driving on the freeways of the USA. I'm a person who drives the speed limit in the US. The rate that the other "citizens" are moving often makes me feel as though I have both feet planted on the brakes. Americans are a lawless bunch, especially behind the wheel, why would anyone expect that to improve on the Baja highway? The idea of saving fuel, being a law-abiding person, showing respect for one's fellow travelers, and giving the livestock a break (in Mexico) must be for liberals like myself. :yes:

Barry A. - 2-18-2009 at 07:37 PM

Vag-------now you've done it---------oh boy.

vgabndo - 2-18-2009 at 07:43 PM

Yeah I know Barry!!! Sort of my mood today; to yank chains. :lol:

BajaNuts - 2-18-2009 at 07:46 PM

I agree with vag, also.

When I drive in the Seattle area, I feel like a sitting duck and usually drive "with the flow" of the middle lane which is usually about 5mph over what's posted. Back on the dry side, in rural WA state, it's still usually 5 over what's posted in the open areas but there's NO ONE ELSE AROUND! I also know the roads, and if I don't know the road, I drive what's posted.

There are many areas of eastern WA that are similar to MX1 in the long straight stretches. And yes, there are traffic fatalities here just like in Baja.

BajaNuts - 2-18-2009 at 07:47 PM

OMG- Did I just agree with a LIBERAL????

My republican mother will disown me! :lol:

Bajahowodd - 2-19-2009 at 12:25 AM

I must be a total dummy. I just cannot understand why the word 'liberal" seems to find itself into almost every thread. Not only didn't I think this was a political forum, save for the designated section, but many of the world's countries, because of their liberal agenda, provide a much higher quality of life for their citizens. Longer life expectancy, happier citizens, lower crime rates. Open your eyes!

805gregg - 2-19-2009 at 08:41 AM

I've driven the length of Baja enough times so the landscape is pretty much just boring. I like to find a guinea pig who is driving fast , then fall in behind them at a safe distance back, and let them lead. If there is a radar or a truck in the wrong lane, they will clear it for me. Any volunteers? I can easily cross at Tecate at 7:30 am and be in GN by 4:30. I do slow down in towns and always stop and donate at red cross.

Barry A. - 2-19-2009 at 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I must be a total dummy. I just cannot understand why the word 'liberal" seems to find itself into almost every thread. Not only didn't I think this was a political forum, save for the designated section, but many of the world's countries, because of their liberal agenda, provide a much higher quality of life for their citizens. Longer life expectancy, happier citizens, lower crime rates. Open your eyes!

You apparently have a different scale than I for measureing happiness, etc. etc., but then that's a "given". My eyes are closed only when I sleep, which is about 1/3 of the time.

To each his own------ I am very happy. :biggrin:

Barry

BajaGringo - 2-19-2009 at 09:51 AM

I used to drive faster on Mex 1 but after seeing a few accidents and almost lose a friend to a bad accident I have taken my foot off the gas a bit. For some strange reason I always felt like I was in such a hurry to get somewhere. The funny thing that I have discovered is that driving a little slower really doesn't add that much time to the trip. I also found out that you save on gas, your nerves are in better shape on arrival and your vehicle even appreciates the kinder ride and rewards you with longer life and less repair costs.

It isn't a liberal-conservative thing to me. I guess I just finally grew up...

Barry A. - 2-19-2009 at 10:59 AM

In my 50 some years of driving in Baja I have never had a really close call with another vehicle------some "pucker factor" situations have arisen, but no really "close" calls. I attributed that mainly to driving at sane speeds which enable me to take timely evasive action.

However, I must admit that I have had MANY very close calls with horses and cows on the road, and that alone was enough to slow me down while driving in Baja----------they seem to come from nowhere at the most inopertune times! At night it is simply crazy--------as we all know.

I never have tired of watching and looking at the fantastic things to see along Mex. 1, and it is soooooo much easier to see when just cruzeing along at 50, or so. "the drive" is at least 20% of the great experience of Baja, to me at least. :yes:

Barry

Wasteland

Skipjack Joe - 2-19-2009 at 12:04 PM

I grew up in Socal and lived there from the late 50's to early 70's. That's about 15 years during which we never left the greater metropolitan area. Nobody I knew did either. There was supposed to be nothing out there past Palmdale. It was considered wasteland (well, except for Palm Springs).

It wasn't until we moved out that I started to appreciate what the land around all that development had to offer. Now the prime areas for us are Anza Borrego, Joshua Tree, and of course Death Valley. Our trips to baja are now timed so that we pass through Socal at night, waiting for first light at the border.

I guess your values just change over time.

P.S. The bay area is the same. It takes 4 hours to get to a trout stream in the Sierras.

Speeding and Baja Highways

JaraHurd - 2-19-2009 at 08:05 PM

Just a couple of thoughts about speed on Baja's freeways and Mordida issues. As I was driving down to TOdos Santos then back to Los Angeles this past summer, I wondered if ANYONE obeyed the speed limit. Or stayed within 10 mph (..or whatever the equivalent kph would be..) of it. The speed limits for most of that stretch are ridiculously low. I would mostly go around about 10 mph over whatever the posted limit was. But man, I was about the only one. Plenty of California plates zoomed past me. Which begs the question...do the cops that patrol the freeways really have to fabricate traffic violations on the freeways? Pretty much everyone is speeding, including me. Most people were driving atleast 20 mph over..and I am being conservative in that estimate. It was a rare vehicle that could not be legitimately pulled over for speeding...

Just a thought. I agree with Shari..SLOW DOWN....especially on those BLIND CURVES....ridiculous..

Sharksbaja - 2-19-2009 at 08:10 PM

Deja vu??

woody with a view - 2-19-2009 at 08:19 PM

"be like Mike"

just do it!

JaraHurd - 2-19-2009 at 08:31 PM

Magic Johnson saw where that philosophy gets someone...

woody with a view - 2-19-2009 at 08:37 PM

don't hate, appreciate!

MIKE jammed on ervin every time!!!!!

drive beyond the "limit"

msawin - 2-19-2009 at 08:46 PM

You must understand that the Mexican system for freeway speed control is something the United States of USA must adopt. It is so simple. Pull over who you think you might want too. It is so simple.
Do not waste any time. Just get who you want.

come on guys... simple.

martin-o

JaraHurd - 2-19-2009 at 08:48 PM

Mike jammed on Irvin because there was a slight age difference..but both were truly great...but we digress...

woody with a view - 2-19-2009 at 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by msawin
You must understand that the Mexican system for freeway speed control is something the United States of USA must adopt. It is so simple. Pull over who you think you might want too. It is so simple.
Do not waste any time. Just get who you want.

come on guys... simple.

martin-o

don't let FISHBUCK know! :saint:

JaraHurd - 2-19-2009 at 08:51 PM

Well I don't know who is complaining about getting pulled over..but it is pretty much whoever u want cuz most folks passing me were speeding by a lot. At any rate, be careful out there. Two lane highways are inherently dangerous. And TRY to be polite to one another..oh never mind..that is long gone..

polite..

msawin - 2-19-2009 at 09:00 PM

I think most of the trucks [70%], are good guys. It is the few to look out for. And there is no flag waving.... You don't know who the s''it head is tel he takes you off the road... God bless the 70%... Be safe on the Hi-way..

Truckers

JaraHurd - 2-19-2009 at 09:20 PM

I agree about the truckers. Most seemed like decent, helpful people.

BajaNuts - 2-20-2009 at 07:26 PM

An incident in eastern WA involved a trucker driving a Wal-Mart truck, whacked out on speed and had been driving for I-can't-remember-how-many hours straight, flew across the oncoming traffic lane, off the hiway, over a set of railroad tracks running parallel to the highway and into the Columbia River. It was shallow enough the cab didn't go underwater and the guy lived, noone else involved.

You just never know what the "other guy" might do!