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any tundra owners

woody with a view - 2-20-2009 at 07:41 PM

i'm "" this close to buying a 2003 tundra 4x4 and would like to hear from owners about their experiences with the truck. it's gonna be my exploration vehicle for baja.

so, tundra owners what's the truck like. what maintenance/mechanical issues did you experience and when etc.........

thanks!

edit: i before e except after c as in "their".

[Edited on 2-21-2009 by woody in ob]

Sunman - 2-20-2009 at 08:00 PM

I've got an 06 Limited (still pretty new), but it's been to the tip and back twice with an additional trip to Abres/Asuncion and a Norte trip as well, no problems, although one shouldn't expect problems on any vehicle that new.

Plus I've been beatin the heck out of it pretty good up here too. MANY offroad miles. Been veddy veddy good so far...nothing but oil changes and tires. Bottom line...I love it.

Tundra 2000

susanna - 2-20-2009 at 08:23 PM

We have a 2000 Tundra 4 Wheel Dr and just love it, no problems
over 100k miles only oil changes regularly.Drives smooth like a car.

woody with a view - 2-20-2009 at 08:26 PM

nice......

Tundra Truck

bonanza bucko - 2-20-2009 at 08:34 PM

We have a 2004 Limited 4X4 that we bought new in October 2003. It is the BEST vehicle we have ever owned.....better than all the Fords put together, the BMW, the Prosche, the Volvo and the VW. It is more comfortable to drive than the Beemer was and it is faster than the 1972 Porsche 911T was...handles better too.

It now has 138000 miles on it. It has been down and back on "That Road" between Puertecitos and Gonzaga Bay (100 miles round trip) ten times. It has not even developed a sqweek!

We had two Ford Limited 4X4s that EACH cost us $1200 for repair after ONE trip down that road...$12/mile for repairs. One lost the entire instrument panel...fell on the floor on the washboard. The other broke a plastic gate between the heat and the air....$2 part and $1200 labor to get at it.

The Tundra gets 15 MPG in town and 18 on a trip and has never had any maintenance on the engine other than new spark plugs and a new serpentine belt. The body has been solid...no sqweeks as above....no problems whatsoever.

I hauled 1200 pounds of solar system batteries plus three people (500 pounds) plus booze and food for three weeks in over That Road in a hot July....the temp was 112F and I went 30MPH on that 3 inch washboard. I melted two factory Bilstein shocks doing that...no problema for the truck. After that Bilstein replaced the shocks for free!!....it was my fault they failed and not theirs. I also put an overload leaf spring on the rear and FabTech coil overs on the front. The truck handled the washboard and the load just fine before but now it's perfect....I make the trip from Puertecitos to GB in about 2:15 on a good day.

I have buddies who have new Tundras....the ones that look like Dodges...the only thing missing is the steer horns on the hood and the bull's balls hanging on the hitch. These Tundras have the same good engine as mine but they are bigger trucks that weigh the same as mine....guess what!?...thinner metal and more plastic. The top of the instrument panel rattles and there is sheet metal fatigue in spots after about two trips on the washboard on That Road. Toyota needs to fix that....they had a super reputation among guys in Baja who have lotsa experience there and they are wrecking that by appealing in styling and construction to wannabe urban cowboys who spend more on wax than they do on Pemex.

If you buy one be sure to replace the factory BFG "trail" tires...you need real BFG TAs with a three ply side wall....the standard "off road" tires make it about two miles in Baja before they die to a sharp rock through the side wall.

I have no doubt that my 2004 Tundra will go beyond 200,000 miles no problema. I was gonna buy a new one when they were half price in Sept. 2008 but decided that what I have is better than what the sell...see above.

Buy the 2003 and love it forever!

Udo - 2-20-2009 at 08:59 PM

The best advertisement for TUNDRAS is David K.

Bajaboy - 2-20-2009 at 09:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by udowinkler
The best advertisement for TUNDRAS is David K.


Actually, DK has a Tacoma.

bajaguy - 2-20-2009 at 09:31 PM

Wish those Tacomas would get that I-Force V-8 like the 4Runners

amirravon - 2-20-2009 at 11:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by susanna
We have a 2000 Tundra 4 Wheel Dr and just love it, no problems
over 100k miles only oil changes regularly.Drives smooth like a car.


I'm amazed :wow:

Santiago - 2-20-2009 at 11:17 PM

Had a 2003; lost both rear seals at about 60,000 - 1 at Loon Lake so the ride back was lotsa fun. Had the drive shaft pulled and re-greased about 2 or 3 times - dealer admitted it was a problem with them. You'll know when it sounds like a bad universal joint. I will admit that I had no rattles. If you get a TRD they come with Bilsten shocks but they do not have a lifetime warranty. I had to replace mine - then you get the lifetime. If you have a 4X4 you will not get anywhere close to 15mpg over the lifetime of the truck. I believe they are rated at around 6500# towing but I'd hate to do it. I have a boat at about 2000# and the engine would really strain on hilly sections.

David K - 2-21-2009 at 06:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Wish those Tacomas would get that I-Force V-8 like the 4Runners


The Tundra (full size) has the V-8... the Tacoma doesn't need it IMO, as there is way more than enough power in the 4.0 litre V-6 (245 HP).

Take a 2005 or newer Tacoma for a test drive.

My '01 had the 3.4 V-6 and was plenty powerful... Now the bigger 2005 and later Tacomas (about the size of the early Tundras) have the bigger 4.0 litre V-6... and even more power, that I never need... but if you tow or have a heavy load of bricks...???

The only thing they didn't do when they made the Tacoma bigger, was to increase the rear suspension weight carrying ability (bottomed out with a load)... I added the Ride Rite air springs (bags) and Bilstein 5100s... problem solved.

Here is my truck less than 24 hours after I got it (Aug. 2005) on the beach, in Baja!

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mulegemichael - 2-21-2009 at 07:03 AM

if tundra's are anything like our 4 runner, then they are some fine rig!...our 4runner is the finest vehicle we have ever owned...and that includes a beemer and many many chevys...there is no better rig for baja

David K - 2-21-2009 at 08:25 AM

I had no preference for Toyota until I got one in Nov. 2000... and after I 'tested' it in Baja... The truck outperformed my wildest dreams and never failed me. Neal Johns was right!:biggrin:

It is no surprise that Toyota has become the #1 selling vehicle in the world... :light:

Sure there can be a bad apple... hopfully a thing of the past as what Santiago posted or others with the head gasket problem of 1991-ish trucks.

We all love our trucks, big or small... and with a lot of love can come acceptance of faults... Like the Chevy truck owner I know who would never get anything else even though is NEW truck has been in the shop for repairs... (and his wife now drives a Toyota)... or the Ford/ Dodge/ Jeep owners who remember the good times, but forget the times that poor quality parts or workmanship cost them money or a trip to Baja.

My '01 Xtra Cab had 130,000+ miles on it in less than 5 years... never broke down... and the only non-maintenance cost in all those miles was replacing a water pump at 90,000 miles because a drip was noticed. Amazing... naturally, I stayed with Toyota when it was time to go bigger with a (4 door) double cab.

My '05 has 87,000 miles on it in 3 1/2 years, has never broken down and the only non maintenance cost was replacing a wire harness after an air bag light came on. There was a front brake area clicking noise for a while that went away with the first brake pad replacement. The rear suspension was too soft (nice ride, but bottomed-out with a load on big bumps) so I added ride-rites and one size bigger shocks in the back.

805gregg - 2-21-2009 at 09:09 AM

Toyotas are ok if you don't need a real truck, always been under sprung (car like ride) and under powered. I prefer a real truck with a diesel.

[Edited on 2-21-2009 by 805gregg]

David K - 2-21-2009 at 09:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
Toyotas are ok if you don't need a real truck, always been under sprung (car like ride) and under powered. I prefer a real truck with a diesel.

[Edited on 2-21-2009 by 805gregg]


Just what is you definition of a 'real truck'? To me it is a vehicle with an open storage/ hauling area on a solid frame with superior to passenger car strength.

Have you not seen the full size Tundra then has been out for a couple years now? If diesel means real truck, then you are correct, no diesel Tundras in the U.S.... yet.

bill erhardt - 2-21-2009 at 10:20 AM

I bought a 2005 Tundra TRD to tow a new boat from Florida. The trip home to Loreto was about 4,000 miles. I now have around 45k miles on the Tundra, probably half of them towing the boat which weighs 4,000 lbs. + or -. But for the trip home with the boat almost all of the towing miles have been in Mexico. The truck has required nothing except oil and filter changes, and plugs at 30k miles. The 4.7 liter V-8 handles the boat fine. Gas mileage while towing, however, is pretty bad. You can almost watch the needle drop. If I keep the speed under 55 I get 8 or 9 mpg while towing. When not towing the truck gets around 17. I drive off road a little, but not a lot, and after 45k miles the truck is pretty much rattle free.

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woody with a view - 2-21-2009 at 10:49 AM

mileage isn't a concern for me. my wife will be using it around town as we only live 2.5 miles from her job. i'll drive my ranger into the ground for work. gas will always be cheap in baja so the road trips won't drain my wallet. i'm more concerned with reliability and what to watch out for. the one i'm looking at has 90k and all service documented at the dealership in escondido. i'm gonna try to steal it for 8.5-9k.

David K - 2-21-2009 at 10:58 AM

What year is it Woody? The full size or smaller Tundra?

woody with a view - 2-21-2009 at 10:59 AM

'03 mid size 4.7L v8

bill erhardt - 2-21-2009 at 12:11 PM

Woody.........Check the service records to see if timing belt and automatic transmission fluid were changed at 60k mi. Also, if the truck was using to tow, the differential fluid, front and back, and transfer case oil should have been changed at 15k mi. intervals.

woody with a view - 2-21-2009 at 12:50 PM

they said the timing belt is being rec'd to check by dealer at 90k. what's that gonna run? tranny fluid i can deal with.

bajabass - 2-21-2009 at 01:15 PM

Just bought a o9 Tundra Double Cab 4x4 TRD to replace my 05 Tundra Access Cab 4x4 Limited TRD. 55,000 on the 05. My biggest complaint, O.K., my only complaint, the light bulb in the ashtray died a early death. 1 trip to Cabo, running up and down the coastal dirt road between Las Barrilles and Cabo for a week, 2 years of every weekend from Orange to Ensenada chasing the lady who is now my wife. The power and handling cannot be beat. My wife almost cried when I traded it in. I own an auto shop in O.C. and I cannot seem to make any money on Toyotas. The 09 is my 50th b-day present, or I would still be driving the 05 with a smile on my face. 55k and still had the original brakes, the Bridgestone Dueller AT Revos I put on at 50 miles had a lot of tread left. Change the oil, service diffs and transfer cases fluids on a regular basis and they last forever. I think I have sold more Tundras than the salesmen at Toyota Of Orange!!! But please, buy more Fords, Dodges, and Chevies so I can finish putting my wife through med school here. That way I can retire sooner!!!!

bill erhardt - 2-21-2009 at 01:54 PM

Woody.......I don't know the cost for replacing the timing belt. I'm not there yet. I would guess, though, that when the time comes it will cost me about 20% of what it will cost you in the States. I had the impeller changed in my outboard today and the cost was 400 pesos. A bit less than $30 US.

Bob H - 2-21-2009 at 04:29 PM

I've been a Ford guy for years and years and I must admit I will be looking at the Toyotas (and possibly Nissan) for my next small truck. As for my F250 Superduty V-10 4x4 - I'm staying with that one for a long time - it's been one heck of a nice truck since I bought it in 2000.

The Toyota or Nissan will replace my problematic 2001 Ford Ranger - probably sometime in June.

Any comments on Nissan trucks?

David K - I bet you are very surprised at my comment above, eh?

Bob H

TacoFeliz - 2-21-2009 at 10:44 PM

After 20 years with a Jeep CJ-7, I broke down and bought a new 2004 4x4 Tundra double cab and haven't looked back since. It's been a great truck and gone everywhere from backroads in the eastern Mojave to the Sierras and all over Baja. Doesn't have the turning radius of the Jeep (obviously) so driving into tight box canyons you don't want to have to back out of is a consideration, but it has proven to be a hard truck to break. I put a 4Wheeler pop top camper on it and get about 12 mpg in town, 14-16 on freeways (calibrated ScanGuage plugged into the OBD2 port).

Anyhow, one oxygen sensor was replaced under warranty at 6000 miles and the cigar lighter shorted out when I ran a compressor too long through it, but that's it other than oil changes and scheduled maintenance for 57,000 miles and a battery at 4 years. When the camper (800 lb dry) went on, the suspension felt too mushy to me, so I put on Camburg 2.5" coil-over springs and uni-ball A-arms on the front and had Deaver build springs to level the back. That put the height up about two inches or so. They've both been great additions. Deaver built the back springs to match the camper weight for about the same money they get for the catalog ones, about $350 installed, in a morning.

Get the Tundra. It will spoil you for other trucks. PM me if you need any info.

David K - 2-21-2009 at 10:52 PM

Bob... skip Nissan, go Toyota.

Bob H - 2-22-2009 at 02:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Bob... skip Nissan, go Toyota.


What's the diss w/Nissan?

Bob H

Barry A. - 2-22-2009 at 11:19 AM

I LOVE my 2007 Nissan X-Terra, but it ain't a pickup. I think the Nissan "Frontier" is essentially the same veh. as my X, tho, so should be great.

Barry

David K - 2-22-2009 at 11:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Bob... skip Nissan, go Toyota.


What's the diss w/Nissan?

Bob H


Compare the number of Toyota possitive reports on Nomad with Nissan... It is pretty clear that Toyota truck out-number Nissan by a big amount... So, why go with such a large 'unknown' element... Toyota dependability is a known factor... Ivan Stewart helped Toyota create the TRD department from Baja racing experience... etc. etc.

Also Bob, you're my friend... and I want you to have a great experience... Was I wrong about Abel and his concrete work? LOL

John M and BajaBoy both have newer Tacomas... there are many more to ask.

Nissan may be fine... but may be is not as strong as 'for sure'... right? Whistler is the only Nomad I know with a Nissan truck, and he got it for racing because of the Nissan payback that was offered for the short course events.

NISMO????

bajaguy - 2-22-2009 at 11:47 AM

NISMO (Nissan Motors) builds Suzuki Equator based on Frontier

http://trucks.about.com/od/makesandmodels/ig/2009-Suzuki-Equ...

TMW - 2-22-2009 at 12:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H

The Toyota or Nissan will replace my problematic 2001 Ford Ranger - probably sometime in June.

Any comments on Nissan trucks?


Bob H


I never drove a Nissan Titan but rode in one last year, back seat and my impression was cheap. Cheap plastic falling apart. It was a rental 4x4 so it may have been abused.

Ford is replacing the Ranger after this year. I never thought about it but the magazine I was reading said the Ranger was the largest selling small truck in the US maybe world. It must be the peopel back east cause I don't see that many out here compared to the Toyota and Nissian etc.

Barry A. - 2-22-2009 at 12:06 PM

just for the record (and not a pickup)---------My 2007 Nissan "Off road" model X-Terra has a little over 17,000 miles on it, much of those miles on 4x4 roads of Death Valley, Anza-Borrego, Canyonlands Natl. Park, Capitol Reef Natl. Park, and USFS land all over Utah, Nevada, and Northern CA-------------I have not had one problem, not one, with it since I bought it.

I did have to add "add-a-leafs" to the rear leaf spring packages as it's load capacity with stock springs was marginal (just like David's Toy), and I did add a "leveling kit" to the front end.

It has more power than I know what to do with, elec. locker in the rear end, Bilstein Shocks (all stock), and is very comfortable and quiet even with the built-up suspension (a 2+ inch lift).

What's not to love? :lol:

This certainly is not to take anything away from Toyota-----it is just to point out that there ARE options. :bounce:

Barry

TMW - 2-22-2009 at 12:07 PM

My son has a X-Terra and loves it. It must be a good seller for Nissan because you (at least here) don't see any discounts on them. I was at the local dealer and they actually have a markup of $950 over MSRP.

[Edited on 2-22-2009 by TW]

Bob H - 2-22-2009 at 12:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Bob... skip Nissan, go Toyota.


What's the diss w/Nissan?

Bob H


Was I wrong about Abel and his concrete work? LOL



He was fantastic... OK,,... I'll look at Toyota!

TonyC - 2-22-2009 at 03:26 PM

Toyota all the way. 2001 Tacoma 200+K miles no problems, 2006 Tundra double cab 4x4 80+K miles.... knock on wood no probelmas.

Like David K.'s "opinion" I feel a 4x4 opens up "the" Baja a bit more than a 2 wheel drive.

2003 Tundra

DianaT - 2-22-2009 at 03:53 PM

Our 2003 Tundra 4x4 TRD access cab had approx. 140,000.00 miles on it---some quite hard miles and it is still going strong!

Other than regular maintenance, we have had only one problem--- the front brakes. It was a design problem but is only a problem if you tow something heavy or carry a heavy camper. Then the rotors wrap and they vibrate --- still work well.

After having a trailer and a larger camper, we replaced the rotors and have had no problem since then---no big deal. But they did make bigger brakes the next year.

Our last Toyota had over 200,000 miles on it when it was stolen, and I well imagine this one will be with us for at least 200,000.

Again, regular maintenance --- oh, we replace the fluids and the air filter more often than normal because of all the dirt roads.

Tis a good truck.

Diane and John

[Edited on 2-22-2009 by jdtrotter]

DianaT - 2-22-2009 at 03:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
they said the timing belt is being rec'd to check by dealer at 90k. what's that gonna run? tranny fluid i can deal with.


Sorry do not remember how much it cost having the timing belt changed, but I know it was not one of those OMG bills. :lol:

And yes, it is suggested at 90K which is when we did it. Oh, before it was needed, we had the main belt replaced---only one belt, so that we would have a good extras with us.

Diane

David K - 2-22-2009 at 03:58 PM

Diane and John speak good advice... The Baja vehicle should have oil and filter changes more often than factory recommendations... every 3,000 if you can, but never more than 5,000 miles!

woody with a view - 2-23-2009 at 07:20 AM

thanks for the good info! i'm gonna have a mekanik look at it tuesday and buy it next day, i hope!!!!

Cyanide41 - 2-23-2009 at 08:01 AM

I have an 03 Tundra 4x4 with 110,000 miles. The only problem I have had was the belt tensioner went out pretty early. It was replaced under warranty. I did have a problem with front end squeaking but it was the heim joint on the aftermarket coil overs. Can't blame toyota for that. So yeah, there are bigger, more powerful trucks out there, but the don't have the reputation to last forever like toyota.

Hook - 2-23-2009 at 09:18 AM

Woody, it's good that you are sticking to the 1st generation Tundras. They have proven to be quite reliable, especially in non-towing, low payload situations.

Although for some of us, that isn't necessarily the definition of a real truck.................

However the new 2nd generation Tundras have had some real problems with drive train components, cheap interiors, a funky automatic limited slip that is universally hated and DOESN'T ENGAGE IN 4WD, really poor paint, bed jitter, brutal ride on interstates laid in sections, very limited range when towing and the famous "cardboard" tailgate. Some have also complained that the alternator is mounted too low and is succeptible to mud and water intrusion which causes it to fail. And few are happy that the new 4wd models force you to REMOVE YOUR FRONT SKIDPLATE TO DRAIN THE OIL AND CHANGE THE FILTER!!! DOH, WHAT A FEELING!!

But dont take my word for it.....................read about it from some long time Toyota owners who bought the news ones and have some reservations.

Tundra solutions board

Tundratalk forum

Everybody loves that 5.7 liter engine, though. The truck screams, by all accounts.

[Edited on 2-23-2009 by Hook]

tripledigitken - 2-23-2009 at 09:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
just for the record (and not a pickup)---------My 2007 Nissan "Off road" model X-Terra has a little over 17,000 miles on it, much of those miles on 4x4 roads of Death Valley, Anza-Borrego, Canyonlands Natl. Park, Capitol Reef Natl. Park, and USFS land all over Utah, Nevada, and Northern CA-------------I have not had one problem, not one, with it since I bought it.

I did have to add "add-a-leafs" to the rear leaf spring packages as it's load capacity with stock springs was marginal (just like David's Toy), and I did add a "leveling kit" to the front end.

It has more power than I know what to do with, elec. locker in the rear end, Bilstein Shocks (all stock), and is very comfortable and quiet even with the built-up suspension (a 2+ inch lift).

What's not to love? :lol:

This certainly is not to take anything away from Toyota-----it is just to point out that there ARE options. :bounce:

Barry


Barry,

I chose the Xterra over all SUV's available incuding the Forerunner. The overall size, engine and power train are just what I was looking for in a Baja Rig. I have over 45,000 miles on ours with only a faulty low tire pressure light currently. Hoping to get that dissconnected not fixed.

Enjoy your ride.


Ken

Barry A. - 2-23-2009 at 10:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken



Barry,

I chose the Xterra over all SUV's available incuding the Forerunner. The overall size, engine and power train are just what I was looking for in a Baja Rig. I have over 45,000 miles on ours with only a faulty low tire pressure light currently. Hoping to get that dissconnected not fixed.

Enjoy your ride.


Ken


Ken----

That's great to hear, and my thinking was the same. Funny you should mention the "tire pressure light"----mine stays on all the time, but I found out that it was because I don't carry 35 lbs in my tires, as recommended by Nissan. That is way to stiff for me-------I normally carry 30 lbs, with no adverse consequences (other than that silly light). (20 on dirt roads) Boost the pressure up to 35 and the light goes out, eventually.

Barry

TonyC - 2-23-2009 at 02:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken



Barry,

I chose the Xterra over all SUV's available incuding the Forerunner. The overall size, engine and power train are just what I was looking for in a Baja Rig. I have over 45,000 miles on ours with only a faulty low tire pressure light currently. Hoping to get that dissconnected not fixed.

Enjoy your ride.


Ken


Ken----

That's great to hear, and my thinking was the same. Funny you should mention the "tire pressure light"----mine stays on all the time, but I found out that it was because I don't carry 35 lbs in my tires, as recommended by Nissan. That is way to stiff for me-------I normally carry 30 lbs, with no adverse consequences (other than that silly light). (20 on dirt roads) Boost the pressure up to 35 and the light goes out, eventually.

Barry


Had the low tire pressure warning light problem. Don't forget the spare tire. That was my problem.

[Edited on 2-23-2009 by TonyC]

tripledigitken - 2-23-2009 at 02:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TonyC
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken



Barry,

I chose the Xterra over all SUV's available incuding the Forerunner. The overall size, engine and power train are just what I was looking for in a Baja Rig. I have over 45,000 miles on ours with only a faulty low tire pressure light currently. Hoping to get that dissconnected not fixed.

Enjoy your ride.


Ken


Ken----

That's great to hear, and my thinking was the same. Funny you should mention the "tire pressure light"----mine stays on all the time, but I found out that it was because I don't carry 35 lbs in my tires, as recommended by Nissan. That is way to stiff for me-------I normally carry 30 lbs, with no adverse consequences (other than that silly light). (20 on dirt roads) Boost the pressure up to 35 and the light goes out, eventually.

Barry


Had the low tire pressure warning light problem. Don't forget the spare tire. That was my problem.

[Edited on 2-23-2009 by TonyC]


Tony,

Thanks for the tip. I hadn't considered the spare, duh. That could be my problem as unlike Barry I keep 35#'s on road and still have the *+-?#ing light on all the time.

Gotta love BajaNomad!

Ken

TonyC - 2-23-2009 at 02:50 PM

Ken, the freak'en warning light drove me nuts....I even put electrical tape over the darn thing so I didn't have to look at it, till I figured it out.

Go BajaNomads.

Barry A. - 2-23-2009 at 03:27 PM

OK, guys, now I am going a little nuts----------a connection between the "spare tire" and the low pressure light????? How does the warning system KNOW that the spare is low??

Nissan explained to me that the "warning system" knows when the tires on the ground are not up to proper pressure by measuring how many revolutions they go around, and any differential between them (??)--------if that is so, then the spare is left out of that equation. I think that the Nissan folks don't totally know the answer-------but are just slinging bull. (??) But it is even more difficult for me to envision the "system" knowing the pressure in the spare is low.

What do you think? and does not Toyota have this same system? (just to keep this thread on topic) :lol:

Barry

tripledigitken - 2-23-2009 at 04:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
OK, guys, now I am going a little nuts----------a connection between the "spare tire" and the low pressure light????? How does the warning system KNOW that the spare is low??

Nissan explained to me that the "warning system" knows when the tires on the ground are not up to proper pressure by measuring how many revolutions they go around, and any differential between them (??)--------if that is so, then the spare is left out of that equation. I think that the Nissan folks don't totally know the answer-------but are just slinging bull. (??) But it is even more difficult for me to envision the "system" knowing the pressure in the spare is low.

What do you think? and does not Toyota have this same system? (just to keep this thread on topic) :lol:

Barry


Barry,

I believe all the tires have the sending units in them in the Xterra. They are little battery operated pressure sensors that transmit the info to a receiver in the cab/engine compartment.

Ken

bill erhardt - 2-23-2009 at 04:20 PM

My Tundra has the same, or a similar, system, and the light turns on if the pressure in the spare is low.

TonyC - 2-23-2009 at 04:28 PM

Ken your on the money. That's why if you decide to change rims like I did, make sure that the tire pressure sensor will fit on the new rims, or your screwed.

Also disabling it is not that easy to do. I tryed, and ended up going with a brogan fix.....tape over the warning light. It was only after my wife made fun of my fix, that I made it a mission to figure it out. Something so easy, and it took me two weeks to solve.:rolleyes: Tundra.

[Edited on 2-23-2009 by TonyC]

Barry A. - 2-23-2009 at 05:18 PM

Thanks Tony, Bill and Ken----------really makes me comfortable to know that my Service Manager at the local Nissan Dealer did not know about the sensors inside the wheel/tire. Jeeeezo!!!!! :no:

(I just ignor the warning light, now that I know what it is)

Barry

805gregg - 2-23-2009 at 06:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
mileage isn't a concern for me. my wife will be using it around town as we only live 2.5 miles from her job. i'll drive my ranger into the ground for work. gas will always be cheap in baja so the road trips won't drain my wallet. i'm more concerned with reliability and what to watch out for. the one i'm looking at has 90k and all service documented at the dealership in escondido. i'm gonna try to steal it for 8.5-9k.


Wow that's pretty cheap, I guess Toys don't hold their value very well. I sold my 01 Dodge 4x with a Cummins for $21,000. with 120,000 trouble free miles on it.

[Edited on 2-24-2009 by 805gregg]

TMW - 2-23-2009 at 07:15 PM

Here's a good write up on tire sensor systems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire_pressure_monitoring_system

I had a 2004 Tahoe that had it and the problem was the sensor in the tire was broken. My Tacoma light comes on at around 28lbs.

[Edited on 2-24-2009 by TW]

[Edited on 2-24-2009 by TW]

great info all around

woody with a view - 2-24-2009 at 03:47 PM

the people backed out. decided to keep it. i got my eyes on an '04 that isn't a private sale, although it comes with a 6 month warranty , meaning the price is a little higher but the condition is better, too.

cross your fingers....

TonyC - 2-25-2009 at 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by Hook

However the new 2nd generation Tundras have had some real problems with drive train components, cheap interiors, a funky automatic limited slip that is universally hated and DOESN'T ENGAGE IN 4WD, really poor paint, bed jitter, brutal ride on interstates laid in sections, very limited range when towing and the famous "cardboard" tailgate. Some have also complained that the alternator is mounted too low and is succeptible to mud and water intrusion which causes it to fail. And few are happy that the new 4wd models force you to REMOVE YOUR FRONT SKIDPLATE TO DRAIN THE OIL AND CHANGE THE FILTER!!! DOH, WHAT A FEELING!!

But dont take my word for it.....................read about it from some long time Toyota owners who bought the news ones and have some reservations.

Everybody loves that 5.7 liter engine, though. The truck screams, by all accounts.

[Edited on 2-23-2009 by Hook]


Thank you Hook. Almost bought the 2007-08 Tundra, instead I spent almost $5K upgrading my 2006 Tundra, camburg coilovers, exhaust, air intake.....etc. Good thing, very happy with the results.

David K - 2-25-2009 at 07:59 AM

What year model was the change to full size for the Tundra?

The bigger Tacoma began with the 2005 model... Tundra was a couple years later with the increase in size. The '05 and later Tacomas are nearly the same size as the older Tundras.

TonyC - 2-25-2009 at 08:34 AM

2007 for the Tundra with the 5.7 liter, 2008 for the double cab I believe.

Thinking I may be buying the Tacoma double in the near future, either new or 1-2 years used, or I may get a RAV or CRV 4x4/AWD to leave in Socorro for bumming around when size and power isn't an issue.

My 06's only rated 500lbs more on towing, but I needed the bigger bed, and room in the back seats.....otherwise close on spec.

[Edited on 2-25-2009 by TonyC]

[Edited on 2-26-2009 by TonyC]

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wsdunc - 2-25-2009 at 10:32 AM

I have a 2003 doublecab 4x4 with a shell. It is my wife's daily driver, and our expedition vehicle. We do a lot of rockhounding in the southwest, which means lots of dirt roads, some pretty gnarly. I have had to use 4 wheel low a couple of times to crawl over rocks, and routinely use 4wheel drive on some of the dirt roads. I have about 90,000 miles on it, no problems. I haven't come close to its limits 4 wheeling. Maybe I got in over my head, but the truck always did fine. With the shell we inflate a double size mattress in the back and it is comfy sleeping. On the highway the long wheelbase makes for great cruising, if I quit paying attention I sometimes find myself nudging 100 mph before I rein it back in. Parking in town is a b-tch. Gas mileage pretty well sucks. The only "problem" I have is groaning of the suspension, which I understand to be noise from the leafsprings rubbing on each other. We love the truck. Anyone have any good ideas to cure the groaning?

baitcast - 2-25-2009 at 11:23 AM

Turn up the radio,:lol:
Rob

David K - 2-25-2009 at 11:29 AM

Better the springs are groaning than the driver!

How about some WD-40 on the springs and shackle bushings?

100 mph will cause sucky gas milage... in any truck!:lol:

Jack Swords - 2-25-2009 at 12:14 PM

One method to get rid of the tire pressure warning light when you switch rims is to put all 5 sensors in a wheelbarrow tire from Harbor Freight. Pressurize the tire to 50 pounds and carry it above the spare. Some have made a PVC tube, capped at both ends, with a valve stem in one cap. Place all 5 sensors in the tube, pressurize, and carry it somewhere in the truck. The sensor receiver is connected to the truck's computer and involves some electronic magic, but can be done. Or black electrical tape works too (over the idiot light).

TMW - 2-25-2009 at 07:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wsdunc
I have a 2003 doublecab 4x4 with a shell. I have about 90,000 miles on it, Gas mileage pretty well sucks. The only "problem" I have is groaning of the suspension, which I understand to be noise from the leafsprings rubbing on each other. We love the truck. Anyone have any good ideas to cure the groaning?


I've never heard of a leaf spring groaning ,that would seem to be body twist, but I would try some oil or put a plastic spacer on them that's what my GMC has. Mine makes a rattle sound when the spacer wears out and falls out. If your driving 100 mph I think that explains your poor gas milage.

just so we're clear

woody with a view - 2-27-2009 at 05:26 PM

i'd rather be groaning, any time, than hearing it come from my truck.

looks like i'm gonna hand over a wad of dollars tomorrow for my '03 tundra. it's got a white tonneu (sp?) cover if anyone wants to buy or trade for a shell or have any ideas on where to buy a used snugtop type shell.

Barry A. - 2-27-2009 at 05:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TW
Quote:
Originally posted by wsdunc
I have a 2003 doublecab 4x4 with a shell. I have about 90,000 miles on it, Gas mileage pretty well sucks. The only "problem" I have is groaning of the suspension, which I understand to be noise from the leafsprings rubbing on each other. We love the truck. Anyone have any good ideas to cure the groaning?


I've never heard of a leaf spring groaning ,that would seem to be body twist, but I would try some oil or put a plastic spacer on them that's what my GMC has. Mine makes a rattle sound when the spacer wears out and falls out. If your driving 100 mph I think that explains your poor gas milage.


I had an old Baja truck that did that, especially when in the dust and dirt. Oil, any kind that I know of, will just make the groaning worse after a little while, so don't recommend it (I tried that several times). It does not really hurt anything so I just ignored mine. I never did find anything that would permanently make it go away----------it gives the truck "character", you know, and enhances it's overall ambience, and "vintageness".

Everybody called my truck the "stagecoach" it made so much suspension noise-----------you gotta luv it!!!

Barry

[Edited on 2-28-2009 by Barry A.]

TMW - 3-2-2009 at 07:07 PM

wsdunc, Perhaps the bushings are wornout where the springs mount. Use a pry bar and see if there is any play.

Skipjack Joe - 3-3-2009 at 09:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wsdunc
I have a 2003 doublecab 4x4 with a shell. I have about 90,000 miles on it, Gas mileage pretty well sucks. The only "problem" I have is groaning of the suspension, which I understand to be noise from the leafsprings rubbing on each other. We love the truck. Anyone have any good ideas to cure the groaning?


I've got the same groaning sounds coming out of my tacoma when I rapidly drive over elevated ground with the right wheels while the left remain on level ground. I've had it since the truck was purchased. The mechanic has gone through the suspension system and found nothing. The sound does seem to come from the middle to back part of the truck. Still a mystery and now that I know others have it am a bit more reassured. But would still like to know the cause.

Barry A. - 3-3-2009 at 10:10 AM

-------rust and pitted metal between the spring leafs????

= character and happy noises. :biggrin:

Barry

fishingmako - 3-3-2009 at 02:33 PM

Woody, there is a place in Clairemont off of Kearny Villa Road, It is behind a couple of hotels, Clairemont Mesa @ Hwy 163 North West corner, they have many , many Shells, I believe new as well as used, suggestion try and buy one where the rear window will drop down for cleaning etc, really makes a lot of difference.

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ttalbott - 3-3-2009 at 05:19 PM

I live in Baja and have an '06 Tundra 4 dr. It has 85,000 miles and at least half are off-road. The only modifications I've made are a 2" lift and Airlift springs in the back. Just put my third pair of BFG AT's on and have never had a flat except for a couple pesky cactus spines that created slow leaks. Unfortunately, I've blown the front end out twice. Two broken front axles and two front diffs. First time I blamed on abuse, even though I was surprised it took so little. Second time, no way. I learned my lesson. Both times I took it to San Diego and the dealer fixed it under warranty. They were as surprised as I and said they had never seen it before. (Me neither, and this is my third Toyota pickup.) Only explanation I can find is the changed angle that the lift puts on the axles, though I had the same lift on my last truck and beat the crap out of it with no bad consequences. I found a diff drop kit that restores the original angle, costs less than $20 and an hour to install. I'm thinking of sticking it on, but not happy about losing the 2" of clearance at the diff. But I'm off-road all the time, sometimes way off-road, and can't afford another breakdown where I could be left stranded. But overall, I love the truck, the ride, the performance, the exceptional 4wd performance, and best of all get to call this "work". I sell remote beach properties and I'm either out in the dunes looking for property corners with a gps, or taking clients for a camping trip down the coast to look at available parcels. The truck is my most important tool and does its job better than the Ford or Dodge I destroyed in earlier lives.

fishingmako - 3-3-2009 at 07:15 PM

I have got to put my two cents in here, I have owned a Toyota Truck, and I definitely agree they are a fantastic truck for their class, and a couple of classes up, they can not be beat, you can beat them too death and they still run.

But they are just not in a class that can handle heavy loads, If you are not going too tow a fifth wheel or tow a large heavy trailer or put on a overhead camper, then it is definitely the truck of choice
I personaly have a Ford 350 crew cab Diesel Powerstroke that can do what I have mentioned above also the Dodge Cummins, Chevy Duramax can do this also, so It is what you want the Truck to do, performance wise, a Toyota will perform well off road as well as last forever, but can not do the Muscle Jobs on some TASKS that these Trucks can do.
That is just my two cents.

TMW - 3-3-2009 at 07:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishingmako
I have got to put my two cents in here, I have owned a Toyota Truck, and I definitely agree they are a fantastic truck for their class, and a couple of classes up, they can not be beat, you can beat them too death and they still run.

But they are just not in a class that can handle heavy loads, If you are not going too tow a fifth wheel or tow a large heavy trailer or put on a overhead camper, then it is definitely the truck of choice
I personaly have a Ford 350 crew cab Diesel Powerstroke that can do what I have mentioned above also the Dodge Cummins, Chevy Duramax can do this also, so It is what you want the Truck to do, performance wise, a Toyota will perform well off road as well as last forever, but can not do the Muscle Jobs on some TASKS that these Trucks can do.
That is just my two cents.


I think most people will agree with you. Heavy loads like a 5th wheel etc really requires a big gas engine or better yet a diesel. Toyota has a 5.7L gas and at some point when the economy get better may come out with a diesel if the numbers are right. I think right now Toyota is staying at the 1/2 ton level where most of the sales are. The Ford F150 is the best selling vehicle in the world or was before the bottom fell out for many reasons and Toyota is copying that success with their quality.

fishingmako - 3-3-2009 at 07:44 PM

You are so right in the future at some time Toyota will come out with a larger truck with a diesel, and it more than likely will take all the business, from the big three.

The ford 150 is coming out with a diesel for that size truck, which may do some damage to the market, will have to see on this one.

ttalbott - 3-3-2009 at 08:19 PM

I totally agree on the specific task theory you guys are talking about. Toyota can't haul what the bigger ones can. I've had both and broken both many times. But I've never seen a Ford, Chevy, or Dodge still going strong after 200K miles when a great amount of that was off-road. My last Ford was not worth fixing anymore after 115K. My last Toyo didn't even rattle by then.

ElFaro - 3-3-2009 at 09:46 PM

I'm supprised (?) no one has mentioned Toyota Landcruisers.

I own an '87 FJ-60 wagon that is virtually indestructible. The 2F cast iron 6 cyl. engine will easily go 500k miles. The engines were used in forklifts. They have oversized axles, bearings, clutch diameters, transmission and transfer case gearing no one ever talkes about. You can even swap out the American axles and xmssn/xfr cases for the foreign ones that are heavier duty and geared down. Some are equipped with snow plows. I can get down to 500 rpm on my engine and not stall out. I can also run dirty gas and it will keep going. They come with solid forged one-piece front Birfield axles and solid forged one-piece rear axles. In fact they weren't even made by Toyota but by a company named Araco in Japan for Toyota. My plan is to replace the suspension with Old Man Emu heavy duty suspension, swap in the 5 speed foreign manual transmission (1st-compound low, 2nd,3rd,4th normal, 5th-overdrive), and replace the rear axle with a full floater for starters. Maybe I'll add a NATO winch.

BTW...Toyota makes a Diesel Landcruiser Truck mostly for the foreign market. They are not cheap...check them out on Toyota Motor Corporation website - Australian continent sales.

Also go to Spectre Off-Road website and get the CD marking the 50-year anniversary of the Landcruiser. Check out the story of the Schmidt's Landcruiser with over 550,000 miles on the wagon in over 189 countries and the engine still starts every time.

06 Tundra Double Cab 4WD

Borregoman - 3-4-2009 at 11:57 AM

I have 45,000 trouble free mile on my 06. I took the running boards off within a month to gain some off road clearance...people suggest to also remove the mud guards as they will rip off but I have not as they seem to flex pretty good. I wish there wasn't so much front facia on the truck, it hangs too low for me, I guess a lift would fix that but I like to keep the drive train geometry stock to prevent any future issues....

I owed American full-size trucks all my life ending with a 1996 Dodge and will NEVER buy and American truck again.....I wanted the "smaller" Tundra, not the new full size as I was tired of driving, parking, 4 wheeling with a full size truck....this 06 fits the bill perfectly, I have no regrets at all.....

Skidrow makes some great skid plates that fit the Tundra, going to replace the front one for sure...

Enjoy!

David K - 3-4-2009 at 01:37 PM

Finally, some of those happy Toyota drivers speaking up!

I was thinking I was the only one who had that 'oh what a feeling' attitude!

Tomas Tierra - 3-4-2009 at 04:30 PM

When I bought my '02 Tundra (in '06) the guys wife was crying when I drove it away..

'02 V8 4x4 SR5 69,000 miles perfect condition......$15,000..I shopped HARD for about 6 months..

The truck has not been to Baja yet:?:, not the trucks fault..

Has been offroad a quite a bit on this side of the border with great results..

Did you get the truck Woody??

TT

cantinflas - 3-4-2009 at 05:18 PM

ttalbott Don't lump all Detroits trucks in not more than 200,000 category. I have a 84 gmc Suburban with over 300,000 on it and its going strong. But its a diesel.

ttalbott - 3-4-2009 at 05:27 PM

I'll give you that. I had an '85 diesel Suburban that I bought new and sold at 165,000 miles because the diesel price was getting crazy. I loved that baby. The year I bought it, diesel in Mexico was about 32 cents a gallon US. I lived in Washington at the time and made a 2 month trip to Mexico. Drove over 4,000 miles in Mexico for under $100!

TMW - 3-4-2009 at 05:35 PM

I had 209,000 miles on my 91 chevy 4x4 whenthe tranny started slipping so I went ahead and put a target engine and tranny in at the dealer. At 230,000 I gave it to my son and bought a new 04 GMC Z71. I like the truck especially how it feels when driving but it's been to the dealer under warranty about every six months. Warranty ended 2,000 miles ago (extended type). Twice it had the charcoal canister and a relay replaced. Instrument panel twice. Fuel pump twice and the 4x4 electronic control software reloaded once. 80,000 miles on it now. My Toyota Tacoma 4x4 work truck has 30,000 miles and is 2.5 years old and never been to the dealer for anything. My wifes 98 Acura has 75,000 miles and only had the radio/CD player replaced, not warranty, $2,000. It does go thru rear brake pads more often that I care, about every 30,000 miles.

woody with a view - 3-4-2009 at 06:53 PM

i got the tundra. gonna break it in this weekend. '03 4x4 TRD. needs a timing belt, brakes in front and 2 tires. got it for 3k less than book. i am STOKED ( :yes: )......

fandango - 3-4-2009 at 08:08 PM

congratulations!!!!
did you buy private party or dealer? if it is pp, does the 100,000 mile warranty still apply?
who will do the work needed? what color? and what is the mileage.
if you look at the used shells mentioned earlier in this thread, report how that went.
have fun, congratulations!

bigboy - 3-4-2009 at 08:31 PM

I have a 1989 Bronco with 240,000 miles, lots of off road and no major problems! I have a 1979 IH Scout II that weighs about the same as the Bronco Talk about tough, The Scout II is about as tough as they get.

Bob H - 3-4-2009 at 09:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishingmako
Woody, there is a place in Clairemont off of Kearny Villa Road, It is behind a couple of hotels, Clairemont Mesa @ Hwy 163 North West corner, they have many , many Shells, I believe new as well as used, suggestion try and buy one where the rear window will drop down for cleaning etc, really makes a lot of difference.


I know the place you are talking about.... it's actually located on Kearny Mesa Road, a place that sells "Leer" products. They have lots and lots of used stuff also. All stacked up all over the place. They are great to work with. I bought my Leer shell there.

Bob H

woody with a view - 3-11-2009 at 03:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fandango
congratulations!!!!
did you buy private party or dealer? if it is pp, does the 100,000 mile warranty still apply?
who will do the work needed? what color? and what is the mileage.
if you look at the used shells mentioned earlier in this thread, report how that went.
have fun, congratulations!


i bought it from a guy who buys vehicles at the reno auto auction. they guarantee the engine, tranny, suspension and frame. it graded a 94 where they usually grade out 83-87. one owner (chula vista) with 97k. it came with a tonneau cover which i happened to mention while answering an ad for a shell. the guy wants to trade me for a shell off his 2001 and carpet kit for my cover. we'll see saturday. the high book on it is 13,700 according to my insurance and i paid 10,900 + tax.

it's getting a new timing belt, water pump, hoses and belt, top engine cover/shroud, and front brakes redone. i'll worry about the tires when Ahnald gives me my taxes back.

STOKED!