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Joys and Sorrows of The Baja Road

Pompano - 3-31-2009 at 08:53 AM

If you know persons who drive like this, please bring it to thier attention. Help to save thier lives ..and thier victims.

40mph southbound on the straightaway out of Mulege. Signaling and with no other traffic, I tried to pass...once. Was almost hit and forced off the highway. After that narrow escape I backed way off and just kept my eyes open. The vehicle kept changing lanes..not swerving, just wandering slowly. I could see that 2 people were in the car, and will leave gender and age out of this. Suffice to say that I could see the older driver's face in her mirror, but she never looked into it while I was attempting to pass. This is what transpired further down the road.

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I turned off down into Santispac and the refuge of Ana's. Sometime later, an amigo from Posada told me he was behind the SUV from Santispac south and also decided not to try passing. And to think Easter Madness is just a short time away....:wow:




[Edited on 4-9-2009 by Pompano]

rpleger - 3-31-2009 at 08:58 AM

Yup.....been there....done that....

vandenberg - 3-31-2009 at 09:32 AM

I guess that's why the Italians invented those multi sound carhorns. They do get your attention if you wander like that. Riding scooters or motorcycles through the Italian Alps, they get a bang out of blowing that horn at you in tunnels. Enough to almost make you jump out of your skin.

Bajaboy - 3-31-2009 at 10:02 AM

Hey Pomp-

Love your stories and pictures...just curious though....are you taking photos while driving your RV?

DianaT - 3-31-2009 at 10:13 AM

Good pics---and we plead GUILTY--

However, we do not drive 40, never around a blind curve, and we make sure no one is behind. But we may fit the age profile. :lol::lol:

On the other hand, we are very careful when passing to make sure the other driver knows we are there and we have followed middle lane drivers who never do become aware--a few of them being big trucks.

Good one----thanks

Diane

Pompano - 3-31-2009 at 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Hey Pomp-

Love your stories and pictures...just curious though....are you taking photos while driving your RV?


Bajaboy, sometimes I use my Rebel w/ mount and a remote button. Other times, I use my small Nikon palm camera and just shoot one-handed. Useful in RV, pickup, plane, boat, etc. Easy as a mug of coffee...or lining up a windscreen gunsight. ;D

Bajahowodd - 3-31-2009 at 11:32 AM

They traded the U-Haul for an SUV?

Natalie Ann - 3-31-2009 at 11:45 AM

I was once given a ride from a couple who drove like that.... all the way from La Paz to Los Barriles.
Curvy edgy road with incredible views.:wow:
Believe me, it's lots worse riding with people who drive like this than it is having to follow behind.

Nena

[Edited on 3-31-2009 by Natalie Ann]

DianaT - 3-31-2009 at 12:04 PM

In my first reply, I pleaded guilty---now if there is no one else around here who is guilty, I guess all of the gringo licensed cars we see driving over the center line do not belong to any nomad. :lol::lol:

When there are no other cars around, and no blind curves, I prefer the center lane. :yes::yes:

Diane

Cypress - 3-31-2009 at 12:11 PM

Those idiots Pompano followed shouldn't be on the road.:O

BajaGringo - 3-31-2009 at 12:16 PM

I admit to using both lanes on NON-blind curves when I can clearly see a distance ahead that nobody is coming. It sure saves on the brakes...

Pompano - 3-31-2009 at 12:44 PM

BajaGringo...exactly how my friend Marty was killed in a head-on south of here about 2 years ago this May. A young fellow came around a curve way over the center line and took Marty out. The reckless driver escaped injury.
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http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=24800#pid2295...

BajaGringo - 3-31-2009 at 01:40 PM

I agree Roger that it has the potential for a risky move which is why I only do it when I can see CLEARLY that nobody is coming ahead on a road I know and travel constantly. Even knowing the road as well as I do, I never try it at dawn, dusk or night, knowing how many old cars in Baja have no or very dim headlights. I probably should have added that the decision to do so always comes with the second opinion approval of my co-pilot in the passenger seat, lending a second pair of eyes and judgment.

I should also add that if I am ever not 100% sure, I just don't attempt it. Common sense always prevails...



[Edited on 3-31-2009 by BajaGringo]

Pompano - 3-31-2009 at 01:48 PM

Good enough for me, BajaGringo. You sound like a good, safe, and caring driver.

Bajaboy - 3-31-2009 at 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by jdtrotter
In my first reply, I pleaded guilty---now if there is no one else around here who is guilty, I guess all of the gringo licensed cars we see driving over the center line do not belong to any nomad. :lol::lol:

When there are no other cars around, and no blind curves, I prefer the center lane. :yes::yes:

Diane


I'm guilty....back in the old days when the road was full of pot holes is was necessary. It seemed as if all the holes were where one's tires would be if driving in the lane. Therefore, I straddled the line in order to miss "most" of the pot holes. Old habits are hard to break.

And Pomp, not judging just impressed with your ability to capture a moment and stay on the road.

Zac

KurtG - 3-31-2009 at 02:17 PM

On the motorcycle I can time it to quickly get by folks like that before they have time to crowd over even more. It always amazes me that they then move back into their own lane AFTER I'm all the way past.

Kurt...I can relate to that.

Pompano - 3-31-2009 at 02:41 PM

Bajaboy, thanks, I've had a little experience in this field, civilian and other...and I never thought you as judging, just interested. Really easy as pie...so easy a caveman can do it. ;D

KurtG...Just the other day, I was passed by these two motorcyclists who very safely went by at a high rate of speed...but..the solid yellow line would have gotten them a ticket from an agressive trooper. :rolleyes:

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Paulina - 3-31-2009 at 02:43 PM

Diane,

I plead guilty as well, for the reason Zac listed.

I use the "middle lane" is only when the coast is clear in both directions.


There have been many times when we've almost been met head on by someone who takes their piece out of that middle lane around a corner.

Idiots.

As far as passing goes, sometimes I feel like I spend more time looking in the rear view mirrors than I do out the windshield. Some people don't bother to let the car ahead know of their intention to pass. I see it all the time when someone passes me, and then keeps on going like a bat out of hell all the way to the front of the class.

Just like the middle lane drivers, corners don't seem to bother the passers either.

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DianaT - 3-31-2009 at 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina
Diane,

I plead guilty as well, for the reason Zac listed.

I use the "middle lane" is only when the coast is clear in both directions.


There have been many times when we've almost been met head on by someone who takes their piece out of that middle lane around a corner.

Idiots.

As far as passing goes, sometimes I feel like I spend more time looking in the rear view mirrors than I do out the windshield. Some people don't bother to let the car ahead know of their intention to pass. I see it all the time when someone passes me, and then keeps on going like a bat out of hell all the way to the front of the class.

Just like the middle lane drivers, corners don't seem to bother the passers either.

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We also slow way down before blind curves, not only too many who drive the middle, but trucks that drag their trailers--almost taken out by a flatbed many years ago headed into Santa Rosalia. Fortuanately, we were on the mountain side and ane were able to climb up it and out of the way.

Yes, corners don't bother the passers, nor do hills, so one cannot be too defensive, and like Roger's friend, it can still happen.

One thing that is a given is while waiting for a safe place to pass, another vehicle is apt to come speeding up behind, and they are determined to be the first to pass---we let them do so --- not going to argue over who goes first.

So, while I plead guilty, it is only under the other specified and selective conditions.

KurtG - 3-31-2009 at 02:55 PM

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KurtG...Just the other day, I was passed by these two motorcyclists who very safely went by at a high rate of speed...but..the solid yellow line would have gotten them a ticket from an agressive trooper. :rolleyes:


Yeah, I'm guilty but a bike can pass safely where a car can't and I do take advantage of that. Also when visibility is good I take advantage of the whole road in cornering. I just pretend it is my own private track. And before anyone comes down on me for admitting that keep in mind that I have been riding Hwy 1 safely for 35 years now. I have advised others that the secret to making good time on Hwy 1 is in knowing where to go slow--

Pompano - 3-31-2009 at 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina
Diane,

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There have been many times when we've almost been met head on by someone who takes their piece out of that middle lane around a corner.

Idiots.
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Just like the middle lane drivers, corners don't seem to bother the passers either.

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Pauline, your post brought back a memory of a time when I thought for sure I was going to die on the Baja Road. I was on a long cross-country trip on a motorcylce..starting in North Dakota and ending at my home south of Mulege. Over 4000 miles of fun and scenery and nary a problem...until the Baja Road.

1991 - I was southbound on The Road just south of El Rosario a few miles, where it gets mountainous and curvy. I cruised up the winding lonesome highway heading for a curve to the right...leaning into it as I went...going fast..enjoying the exhileration of an open Baja highway and the warm Baja sun. What could possibly be better?

Whoa!..suddenly 2 speeding cars came slamming around the curve...racing with each other and coming at me FAST! It happened so quick I had maybe a second to make up my mind.

Quick! Rock walls to the right, a deep cliff to the left?..to hell with that..and, rocking up, down the middle I went...! I saw the sheer shocked look on the right side driver's face as I flew right between those two idiots. The look on that guy's face will be with me forever. His eyes went wide as dinner plates.

I can tell you I thought I was a goner for sure..there could not have been an inch to spare on each side of my handlebars. I thought it was going to be just a big..
SPLAT!

I slowed to stop by just letting the bike idle down..I was shaking so much I didn't dare touch the brakes at all. When I coasted to a stop, I tried to throw the kickstand down with my left foot, but my legs were shaking so much I simply fell over, with the bike on top of me. The cycle's hot muffler burned my calf pretty good..enough that I still have a scar.

I took some really great looks around right about then.

No..niether driver came back to see if I was okay.
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My machine: 750 Kawasaki Vulcan Roadster.
(And this self-photo of me with the matchbook and the forest fire behind is A JOKE!

Diver can tell you that I like fires..but in my firepit only!)
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Anecdote to the near miss on the highway.

After I got to my home in Coyote Bay on the bike, I was horsing around one day before our volleyball game on my front yard..and crashed into the damn net..and added a scar to the other leg. Sheesh.


[Edited on 4-1-2009 by Pompano]

Bajahowodd - 3-31-2009 at 04:31 PM

Cutting the curves by crossing over the center line can save you 100 miles from the border to Cabo.
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Skip_Mac - 3-31-2009 at 09:55 PM

And shave a good 50 years off your life.

Mango - 3-31-2009 at 10:36 PM

I'm with Baja Gringo on this one. You'd never had got my picture though as I only "take the middle" on long straight strecthes and move back into my lane as soon as I detect anyone else around or even suspect a blind cureve or vado ahead.

My drivers ed teacher (I'm not sure they teach it anymore) used to cover the rear view mirror with his hand as we drove and asked, "what color car is behind you?"

He explained that is was just as important to who was behind you and what they were doing, as it was to know who and what is in front of you. He said it was a good habit, that would keep me from getting many tickets. Jeeez.. that guy was damm smart. The only speeding ticket I ever got was from a motorcycle cop via radar. he was hiding in a shadow in Pasadena and nailed me even though I was being passed by a car in the fast lane.


I once rode in a taxi on the mainland.. our 10 mile trip took place mostly in the oncoming lane. (it was flat as a board, our side full of huge potholes, the other side freshly paved). Sometimes the rules need to get blurred.. ironically.. for safeties sake.

Unfortunately.. people that are not aware of other people on the road are unsafe in any lane at any speed.

Pompano - 4-1-2009 at 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by Mango
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I once rode in a taxi on the mainland.. our 10 mile trip took place mostly in the oncoming lane. (it was flat as a board, our side full of huge potholes, the other side freshly paved). Sometimes the rules need to get blurred.. ironically.. for safeties sake.
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Mango, your post reminds me of the Baja Road back in the day...constant potholes and vast stretches of broken asphalt. That day started 2 weeks after the 'pavement' was finished. (We called it painting, not paving.)

The chances of staying in your proper lane were slim to none...No, make that none, period.


Anybody who has not made that trip of 600-800 miles through those potholed minefields will not understand how bad it really was for ALL drivers. Actually, it was to become a common bond between tourists and locals, truckers, whoever spent time on that tortured highway.

The general topic of discussion wasn't the weather, it was The Condition of the Road.

"How many tires did you go through?"

"Did you spot my Volkswagen in that pothole by El Rosario?"

"How many days did you camp by that flooded vado?"

"So, Tom & Patty, when do the casts come off?"

"Did you see that burro skeleton propped up by Viscaino?"

"Manuel, how many cows does that make for you now?"

Yes indeed, to navigate The Road you had to dodge potholes for hundreds of miles. Mostly you straddled the middle where the fewest craters would ruin your tires. The edges were gone from the old, over-loaded 3-ton trucks that roared up and down the Road. (Remember back in the day, you never saw a modern semi-truck, a tractor trailer?...there was just the old beat-up stake-beds with no muffler and a huge cattle-guard grill...bloodied.)

Anyway...taking your half out of the middle on a straightaway stretch where you can see clearly for miles is perfectly okay. Grew up that way in the Vast Lane of North Dakota.

As for crowding the centerline on blind curves...rest in peace.

DianaT - 4-1-2009 at 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by Pompano

The chances of staying in your proper lane were slim to none...No, make that none, period.

Anybody who has not made that trip of 600-800 miles through those potholed minefields will not understand how bad it really was for ALL drivers. Actually, it was to become a common bond between tourists and locals, truckers, whoever spent time on that tortured highway.

The general topic of discussion wasn't the weather, it was The Condition of the Road.



Several parts of the Tortugas road remind us of those old days. We like to get behind another vehicle so they can lead us from side to side and on and off the road----it is an adventure in driving like a snake and playing the guessing game, "How deep does that one look?"

Hopefully money is available soon and they start filling again---at least it lasts for a while. ;)

Bad roads do make friends, however as we collected six people as passengers due to the bad road. Spare tires are a luxury item.

KurtG - 4-1-2009 at 08:34 AM

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Yes indeed, to navigate The Road you had to dodge potholes for hundreds of miles. Mostly you straddled the middle where the fewest craters would ruin your tires. The edges were gone from the old, over-loaded 3-ton trucks that roared up and down the Road. (Remember back in the day, you never saw a modern semi-truck, a tractor trailer?...there was just the old beat-up stake-beds with no muffler and a huge cattle-guard grill...bloodied.)

Anyway...taking your half out of the middle on a straightaway stretch where you can see clearly for miles is perfectly okay. Grew up that way in the Vast Lane of North Dakota.

As for crowding the centerline on blind curves...rest in peace.


When I first motorcycled the highway in '74 I thought it was the greatest motorcycle road in the world. Smooth asphalt, little traffic, and great scenery and destinations. As you point out that changed rapidly, within another year or two that thin paving had broken up and there were potholes that could swallow my nice CB750 whole. The center was the best and I mostly rode right down the middle. I always liked those old trucks, great paint jobs!

Mango - 4-1-2009 at 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano

Anyway...taking your half out of the middle on a straightaway stretch where you can see clearly for miles is perfectly okay. Grew up that way in the Vast Lane of North Dakota.

As for crowding the centerline on blind curves...rest in peace.


Thanks for the story. I agree with you I'v been down a few of those roads myself.

I find it's pretty important to try to make eye contact via a mirror with the person I'm trying to pass; because, so many are so clueless to other people on the road. One thing Mexicans do have right is to use their blinkers to aid people to pass safely.

I just get upset with the people who tailgate me through the turns and get upset I don't "signal" them around. I'm sorry.. But, unless I can see far enough ahead to ensure a safe pass, I'm not signaling.

Is he turning left dear? No honey he's signaling me to pass

Sharksbaja - 4-1-2009 at 05:57 PM

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One thing Mexicans do have right is to use their blinkers to aid people to pass safely.




Except for that stupid left turn signal truckers use for you to pass,with eye contact only to find out they really are gonna make a left.!!:wow::o:O:wow::o:O

I got used to, and like, those Mexican driving customs too.

Pompano - 4-1-2009 at 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Mango

.... One thing Mexicans do have right is to use their blinkers to aid people to pass safely.

I just get upset with the people who tailgate me through the turns and get upset I don't "signal" them around. I'm sorry.. But, unless I can see far enough ahead to ensure a safe pass, I'm not signaling.


Most assuredly, Mango. The clear-to-pass signal is a good one and serves to inform both passer and passee that it's good to go. Makes it sooo much safer. Newcomers to Baja highways should try to learn these customs and use them.

But, I'm afraid we're losing a few of the older driving signals. It used to be when you met an uncoming vehicle in daylight with it's lights on, it meant trouble ahead. Cows, accident, whatever..it was a real road hazard and you had best slow way down and keep alert. Nowadays, with all the new visitors cars running with thier lights during daylight hours, that custom is fast disappearing. Seems a lot of Canadian cars run with lights on...right from the factory.

The old headlight danger signal is trumped by Big Brother. :rolleyes:

Then there's the standing Tecate can on the shoulder..most times with a small rock on top. 'A Baja road flare.' Almost never see one anymore.

Thank God, the large rocks placed on the road are pretty much history. Now THAT was a dangerous custom.

Anyway, the Road is there..and we're going to make the trip.. regardless. Stay safe, all. Easter is here!

bill erhardt - 4-1-2009 at 06:27 PM

And just when you think you can get around if you stay way over to the left........

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Pompano - 4-1-2009 at 07:25 PM

Love that photo, Bill. Been there, done that.

The Joys and Sorrows of The Baja Highway

Pompano - 4-3-2009 at 06:27 AM

I have very nostalgic views of the Baja Highway. The 1,000 mile Transpeninsular Highway...Mexico Hwy 1.

Long before that new pavement was created, a whole generation of us formed memories of the old Camino Real and the friends we made on those wild explorations...
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An amusing true story of Baja Sur's first cars:
Baja's early years down San Jose del Cabo way. In the late 1920s, one of the town's leading families acquired and somehow imported one of the first motor vehicles into Baja California Sur, a brand new Ford Model A.
Shortly thereafter, a second leading family responded by also buying a Model A and bringing it to town. Within two weeks, both cars were totaled in a head-on collision.

And that started a whole new tradition.
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...then the new highway in 1973...and thus began the experiences and trials of driving The Road... and continues right up to today's new visitors.

As we all know, Baja driving just seems to cause a lot of angst, accidents, and incidents. We expect it!

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The New Road.
It takes you back to that time when The Road was built by sheer grunt and improvised efforts..struggling for every meter gained through boulder fields and mountainous country. It was quite a sight to see.

Yesterday when coming back into Coyote Bay I passed an old familar sight on a rockface overlooking the camping beach below. I had seen this scar so many times, thinking about the old days of road building here.... and finally stopped to take it's picture.




Now....
Here is one of those scars left behind from the building of The Road. A reminder of days gone by.
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Got some road memories..old or new, happy or sad...to share?
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[Edited on 4-3-2009 by Pompano]

woody with a view - 4-3-2009 at 06:41 AM

come the 24th we're gonna break in the tundra and make some new memories......

DENNIS - 4-3-2009 at 07:26 AM

Knowing that "rock" was there would have my attention every time I passed under it. It could ruin one's day.

BigWooo - 4-3-2009 at 08:01 AM

Here's a "we were very lucky" memory:

I think this was about 1990, when the main road from Cabo to San Jose ran through Costa Azul. After a tropical storm dumped an unbelievable amount of rain on the area, we made a trip to Llomas del Tule to see if our property washed away. To get there and back, we had to cross the wash at Costa Azul, which was flowing pretty good. All cars and small 2wd trucks had to be pulled across by a tow truck.

On our return trip to San Jose, we were waiting our turn to cross when one of those old- type, three axle long haul trucks lumbered up the hill in the opposite direction next to us. Suddenly the right front of our truck dropped down and Oladulce was staring into a 20 foot deep trench. The vibrations from the large truck caused the dirt under the roadway to sluff off. Fortunately we didn't go with it!

We were lucky the tow truck guy was able to hook up and pull us out without incident. Our large front bumper was the only thing supporting the truck and kept it from going over the edge.





[Edited on 4-3-2009 by BigWooo]

DianaT - 4-3-2009 at 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by BigWooo
Suddenly the right front of our truck dropped down and Oladulce was staring into a 20 foot deep trench. The vibrations from the large truck caused the dirt under the roadway to sluff off. Fortunately we didn't go with it!


Gees, if I had been in Oladulce's place, I don't think I would still be here----I can hear my heart pounding out of my chest now!

Diane

nancyinpdx - 4-3-2009 at 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by BigWooo
Suddenly the right front of our truck dropped down and Oladulce was staring into a 20 foot deep trench. The vibrations from the large truck caused the dirt under the roadway to sluff off. Fortunately we didn't go with it!


Gees, if I had been in Oladulce's place, I don't think I would still be here----I can hear my heart pounding out of my chest now!

Diane


YIKES!!!

Skipjack Joe - 4-3-2009 at 11:45 PM

I miss the old highway.

There was a sense of deep satisfaction when you managed to pass through a minefield of potholes by skirting them perfectly with all four tires. A snap of the wrist to the left followed by a quick right. You got to a point of knowing instantly which ones could be passed at full speed and which ones just left you no option other than to slow down to almost a full stop.

Now that was driving. That road had character.

Sharksbaja - 4-4-2009 at 12:24 AM

Nochitsherlock!

Pompano - 4-5-2009 at 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I miss the old highway.

There was a sense of deep satisfaction when you managed to pass through a minefield of potholes by skirting them perfectly with all four tires. A snap of the wrist to the left followed by a quick right. You got to a point of knowing instantly which ones could be passed at full speed and which ones just left you no option other than to slow down to almost a full stop.

Now that was driving. That road had character.


Thinking back, Igor, those potholed Road days were great times indeed.

Of course at the time the air got a little blue when you blew a tire or broke a tie rod! Ah..those pothole dodgings! You really did become good at judging & missing 'em. Most of us, anyway...I remember a friend from Mulege who hit a pothole so hard he rolled his van, broke both legs and his collarbone. Poor Don, Nicht zu gut!

But we mostly survived..and developed a sixth sense about the Road ahead.

Little hints like this would warn you:
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LaTijereta - 4-5-2009 at 12:14 PM

You can always throw a line...while you wait for a safe time to cross...


Taking Your Half Out of the middle

LancairDriver - 4-5-2009 at 12:45 PM

I like taking my half out of the middle when no one is affected....But not just now.

Closing velocity=120mph+
Clearance= 2-6 inches??
Dropping off the "shoulder"- not an option

Just returned from a trip to Mulege and Conception Bay and returned with a 40ft RV pulling a jeep. Driving a big RV with a marsh mellow suspension definitely does not allow for much meandering. Passed through the "danger zone" from Catavena to El Rosario without incident. All in all a fun trip.

I wish I could have taken a picture of a 18 wheeler saving a bunch of lives ahead of me. A pickup full of people were passing everything on the road until they got to the 18 wheeler. When they pulled out to pass him he whipped the trailer into the passing lane so fast it was amazing, blocking them and forcing them back. In an instant 3 oncoming vehicles flew up out of an arroyo ahead and would have been a sure head on with the pickup with very ugly consequences. My hat is off to these truckers.

[Edited on 4-5-2009 by LancairDriver]

El Camote - 4-5-2009 at 12:56 PM

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When I first motorcycled the highway in '74 I thought it was the greatest motorcycle road in the world. Smooth asphalt, little traffic, and great scenery and destinations. As you point out that changed rapidly, within another year or two that thin paving had broken up and there were potholes that could swallow my nice CB750 whole.


Kurt, don't you wish you still had the CB750. There's quite a loyal following for those bikes now. I had a '78 CB550 in 1980 and it was the best bike I ever owned. I get very excited about the idea of owning another road bike if I could get a hold of a 70's era 750 in nice condition.

Our first trip down the peninsula, we played leapfrog all day with a man on a 74ish CB750 all the way into San Ignacio and, coincidentally, both ended up at Rice and Beans for the night. Got to talking to him and he was a Scottish graduate student going to school in Boston. He'd become enamored with the 750's, bought one in fine shape and drove from east to west coast in the U.S. and now was driving down Baja with nary a problem on a 25 year old bike. They're bulletproof.

DianaT - 4-5-2009 at 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by LancairDriver

I wish I could have taken a picture of a 18 wheeler saving a bunch of lives ahead of me. A pickup full of people were passing everything on the road until they got to the 18 wheeler. When they pulled out to pass him he whipped the trailer into the passing lane so fast it was amazing, blocking them and forcing them back. In an instant 3 oncoming vehicles flew up out of an arroyo ahead and would have been a sure head on with the pickup with very ugly consequences. My hat is off to these truckers.

[Edited on 4-5-2009 by LancairDriver]


Great truck driver.

[Edited on 4-5-2009 by jdtrotter]

Pompano - 4-5-2009 at 04:00 PM

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When I first motorcycled the highway in '74 I thought it was the greatest motorcycle road in the world. Smooth asphalt, little traffic, and great scenery and destinations. As you point out that changed rapidly, within another year or two that thin paving had broken up and there were potholes that could swallow my nice CB750 whole.


Kurt, don't you wish you still had the CB750. There's quite a loyal following for those bikes now. I had a '78 CB550 in 1980 and it was the best bike I ever owned. I get very excited about the idea of owning another road bike if I could get a hold of a 70's era 750 in nice condition.

Our first trip down the peninsula, we played leapfrog all day with a man on a 74ish CB750 all the way into San Ignacio and, coincidentally, both ended up at Rice and Beans for the night. Got to talking to him and he was a Scottish graduate student going to school in Boston. He'd become enamored with the 750's, bought one in fine shape and drove from east to west coast in the U.S. and now was driving down Baja with nary a problem on a 25 year old bike. They're bulletproof.


Hi KurtG and El Camote,

Perhaps this collage of motorcycles will remind you of those times you rode the Baja Highway. On your CB550's and 750's. What great trips those were...and are still!

Plus i included a pic of a 1962 Honda Superhawk that I took from ND to San Diego and back . Great trip thru parks, deserts, and mountains. Broke a couple of chains, but had a blast with the wind in my face..nothing like the freedom of the road. Many, many years and bikes later now. :rolleyes:

Thank God for that old Baja Highway. It gave us a chance to be Parnelli Jones' and Huckleberry Finns for a little while. It's all fun!
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Gadget - 4-5-2009 at 04:10 PM

Guilty also.
I use both lanes when there is clear visability ahead to get back to my side.
Baja Leti says I drive too fast.
Baja Leti says I am too agro while passing.
Baja Leti says "NO" when I ask her if she wants to get behind the wheel for a while. :)

We have gotten comments and nasty looks often while caravaning with other rigs using our radios to call traffic (weather), pass on hills, blind corners etc.

One vehicle takes point, each vehicle asks for weather, if clear well ahead by point vehicle, the pass is made regardless of road configuration. Then that rig radios that they are clear. All radio traffic is forbidden except between the point rig and the current passer until the carravan is all clear. Only then is normal (relative) radio comm resumed.

Crossing paths later in the day with a motorist we have passed at a stop can be a challenge untill the process is explained, then they understand we are not a pack of lunatics.

I know the road after all these years pretty well and I don't think I take too many unnecessary chances while traveling as a solo rig.
I do admit that traveling at times faster in the dirt that on the pavement can make me a bit lazy. That's probably not a good thing.

I've already visualized avoiding the problem "other guy" by just leaving the road, unless of course there is a cliff, then you would have to take a hit. :?:

Pa-in-law got blown off the pavement by a oncoming speeding semi and hooked his trailer tires off the pavement. Instead of ripping both trailer tires off the rims or wrecking, he just went with the flow at 55 mph and took his F350 and trailer out in the dirt. They were lucky they didn't hit anything, just changed their undies and proceded.

Now that I have wrecked the Bronco (in the dirt) I ponder how my new mindset will be. Lewis and Lewis came through on the insurance settlement, but I will still spend alot of my own time getting repairs done. More sweat equity in GSB was not in my plans.
Will I be more cautious on or off road???
I also feel that the challenge of Mx 1 is part of the allure of Baja for me. I guess if I lived down south and had to drive it as much as some of you do, the adventure would wear off soon enough.
Time will tell.

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KurtG - 4-5-2009 at 04:59 PM

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When I first motorcycled the highway in '74 I thought it was the greatest motorcycle road in the world. Smooth asphalt, little traffic, and great scenery and destinations. As you point out that changed rapidly, within another year or two that thin paving had broken up and there were potholes that could swallow my nice CB750 whole.


Kurt, don't you wish you still had the CB750. There's quite a loyal following for those bikes now. I had a '78 CB550 in 1980 and it was the best bike I ever owned. I get very excited about the idea of owning another road bike if I could get a hold of a 70's era 750 in nice condition.

Our first trip down the peninsula, we played leapfrog all day with a man on a 74ish CB750 all the way into San Ignacio and, coincidentally, both ended up at Rice and Beans for the night. Got to talking to him and he was a Scottish graduate student going to school in Boston. He'd become enamored with the 750's, bought one in fine shape and drove from east to west coast in the U.S. and now was driving down Baja with nary a problem on a 25 year old bike. They're bulletproof.


Yes, it was a great bike, mine was a '73. Bought it in Monterey and headed for Baja!

KurtG - 4-5-2009 at 05:13 PM

Roger,
Superhawk 305! Bought one new in Mpls. in Sept '65 and in Oct rode it to Monterey. Freezing rain in Wyoming and I remember riding into Wells, Nv. so cold that the lady at the motel front desk had to help me take my jacket off. My frozen hands had stopped working, couldn't even sign the registration. Had to go take a long hot shower and then come back and register. No good cold weather riding apparel like we enjoy now but I was young and recovered quickly and I knew the California sun was waiting just a day or two further!

El Camote - 4-5-2009 at 07:29 PM

Roger, thanks for the photo trip down moto lane! The second stock 550 was identical to mine. I always kept wax on the tank and used simichrome polish on the metal. I crashed it twice but always rebuilt it. The second time I broke my arm but didn't know it and drove it with twisted handlebars several miles to the emergency room. To be young and daring, huh?

Don't know why, but I eventually sold it to an adventure-ready, amazonian gal friend and she toured all over the southwest then she sold it to another girl I knew who did the same.

Kurt, I've been threatening to do it for several years but have a deadline of my 50th looming in the not-so-distant future and want to do a long moto down Baja. Do you make your runs solo? Do you ever camp? Ever go with a group and use a sag wagon? Seems a great way to go would be with a 2 or three bikes and another driving a 4 wheeler with camping gear.
It's good to dream....:light:

KurtG - 4-5-2009 at 09:38 PM

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Kurt, I've been threatening to do it for several years but have a deadline of my 50th looming in the not-so-distant future and want to do a long moto down Baja. Do you make your runs solo? Do you ever camp? Ever go with a group and use a sag wagon? Seems a great way to go would be with a 2 or three bikes and another driving a 4 wheeler with camping gear.
It's good to dream....:light:


I have a couple of riding buddies that sometimes ride along but if I sit around waiting for somebody to ride with I would never get a chance to travel. I often ride solo from where I live 300 miles north of the border but sometimes we truck the bikes to San Felipe. My KLR650 is a pretty good highway bike and a pretty good rough road bike but too heavy for a true dirt bike especially with my camping gear on board. I like to ride down to Mulege, take off the gear and then do the back roads into the mountains. A support vehicle would be great but I never seem to convince anyone to do that for me. I am a very minimalist camper so not much gear. I debate with myself a lot about solo riding in remote areas but always end up doing it anyway. I prep my bike as well as I can and have just recently started carrying a Spot Messenger "just in case." I'm 65 now and don't know how many more years of riding I can put in but I'm not ready to stop quite yet. I'll be aiming the bike south in about two weeks. There is nothing like waking up on a beautiful beach with the sun rising out of the Sea of Cortez---

Baja Road Hazards

Pompano - 4-7-2009 at 06:32 AM

Here's some common Baja Road hazards. Stuff we have all come across or had happen to us while making that ever-changing trip down..or up..the Baja Highway.

They will most likely be recognizable by Baja Road Vets and will hopefully forecast potential dangers to first-timers. So, for what its' worth, here's some hazards we have encountered over the history of the highway.

Pedestrians on The Road

There are always LOTS of people walking alongside roads in Baja. In towns and in the countryside. The jugs this walker carrys indicate a request for water if you have some.
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Animals on The Road:

In addition to livestock, there is always plenty of wildlife on The Road too. Deer, coyote, fox, mapache, roadkill buzzards, and all kinds of critters big and small run, walk, flutter, lope, crawl and slither across The Road.

I once swerved violently to avoid a good-sized wolf spider that appeared suddenly from the desert, high-stepping-it across the pavement. It had quite a distinctive scurrying motion...looking like a cross between a slinky and a tiny tip-toeing ballerina on steroids. :yes:
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The 1000 miles of the trans-peninsular highway is still mostly open range. More fences are going up all the time, but there are vast areas where livestock of every description free-graze...and they all particularly love the fresh growths alongside the highway.

Most travelers will come across the following sights somewhere down The Road. Be alert!

Just because there's a fence doesn't mean the livestock are going to stay inside it...the grass is ALWAYS greener over here by the highway.

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Go too fast past one of these big guys and it can ruin your day...and unfortunately, thiers too.
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There will always be a dog trying to cross in front of you..let him.
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Then again, some of them will just lay there...watching the parade pass by. Generally these pregnant gals are not going to move very fast, so please slow down.


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Stay alert to your surroundings and direction of travel...because...if you see these road hazards, you may have taken the wrong turn... :rolleyes:
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...and ended up on the Yukon Highway instead!
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BajaBruno - 4-7-2009 at 08:30 AM

Great stories, folks.

Is anyone still peddling those "I Survived Mex 1" stickers?

Phil S - 4-7-2009 at 04:14 PM

Great thread Pompano. As always, I've had a great afternoon reading these comments. My biggest bike (bike?) was a CB360T Honda, and almost 'brought it down" one year. Nice to 'project' ones self, into anothers actual trip. And the discussions of the potholes, sure brought back great (maybe not really so great) memories. Yes, someday, Mex 1 will be like driving I-5, and memories of the "good ole days" will be held by the 'old soaks', and I'm wondering what stories will be told during the 2020's era of their trips to Cabo & back???????? Thanks to all of the pic's. Keep them coming.

Baja Hwy "Problems"

LaTijereta - 4-7-2009 at 06:39 PM

You need to know when to go...

and when to get out...


N2Baja - 4-8-2009 at 01:30 AM

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You need to know when to go...

and when to get out...




I think I'd get out...

ONE METHOD OF LIVESTOCK FATTENING

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-8-2009 at 04:58 AM

I guess that is one way to fatten up livestock in Baja. Just not the preferred way! Thank goodness the carnicerias boys were not out there.





Note: This double photo was hijacked from Pompano to make it smaller.

Note: God forgive me!

David...not so far off the truth.

Pompano - 4-8-2009 at 05:18 AM

It's just another 'hazard' benefit of the Baja Road.

Got Roadkill? Waste not..want not.


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Have some unsuspecting amigos taste test first...just in case.
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ELINVESTIG8R - 4-8-2009 at 05:26 AM

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It's just another 'hazard' benefit of the Baja Road.

Have some unsuspecting amigos taste test first...just in case.







Fur sure!

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[Edited on 4-8-2009 by ELINVESTI8]

..and in case anyone is still hungry..

Pompano - 4-8-2009 at 06:17 AM

Another snack from The Road.
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Yeah, I know..just kidding. This was from The Badlands of North Dakota. (Just posted this on the sting ray thread by Russ... and having too much fun this morning!)

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-8-2009 at 06:18 AM

Ahhhhh Rattlesnake. The Breakfast of Champions!

Baja Road Hazards

Pompano - 4-8-2009 at 08:57 PM

Steep grades like this widowmaker north of Santa Rosalia have claimed a LOT of lives. The gaurd rails are continuously showing new damage every time I come through. This may be one of the most dangerous grades on the entire peninsula. El Diablo.
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Below you can see the smoke coming from the overworked brakes on this semi coming down the grade just south of Santo Tomas. This is an inexperienced driver and a real hazard to himself and others.
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Here's a couple of wrecks ...they always seem to happen on curves below grades.

We've seen literally hundreds of these wrecks over the years since the highway was first built. Sometimes you're the first to come across them and you always hope there are no fatalities, but unfortunately that's not always the case.

We have been amongst first arrivals to too many fatal accidents. Bad memories. Youngsters dead, because of some fools driving faster than they are capable of doing...criminal.

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Then there are the straightaways...where one can see for miles ahead. Now the desire to really speed takes over. "Hey, It's a wide open road...Let's see how fast we can get this baby going! That motorhome up there is only going 55-60..we'll blow his doors off!"
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I think that's what created this accident..the allure of a straight road..and speed.

This is a trailered SUV coming loose and rolling in the rocky desert. It was being towed by another SUV pulling it down the highway. Another reckless driver..the Baja Road is full of them.

The tow-SUV was going way too fast, eractically passing and crowding another car, when the towed SUV busted loose and rolled about 6 - 7 times...flipping over and over out into the desert. Thanks be, there was nobody in the towed SUV..else they would have been mincemeat. The car that has just been passed was spared from injury, but not from lack of trying by the idiot driving the tow car.

AND..it's a damn good thing it happened about 200 yards AHEAD of me..or I would have had the SUV through my windshield...crushing us all.

Y'now..I would love to see a marooon ALERT sign erected on these straightaways. :rolleyes:
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redmesa - 4-9-2009 at 07:17 PM

You are so right about the Santa Rosalia stretch...we recently almost kissed our xxxes good by. A curving, uphill section...meeting a semi...large red pick-up pulls our from behind the semi to pass just as we meet the front of the semi...All we had time to think was "Oh! Sh...! this is really it" . Luck with us, the pick-up almost loosing control was able to duck back behind the semi with maybe a few feet till collison. We did not speak for 50 miles...stunned silence.

Some Joys of the Baja Road...

Pompano - 4-9-2009 at 08:48 PM

redmesa, I feel your angst from your experience on El Diablo grade.

But on the other hand, I know that your next experience was probably one of great happiness..like some of these following from the Baja Road.
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Carmelitas! Jesus Marie north of Guerrero Negro. A great spot to refresh, get some fuel if needed, and chow down on Carmelitas burritos. This brings Joy to my heart.


Hola Carmelita! My usual tres, por favor? .

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Some here will recognize Carmelita's old van of many, many years.

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Now here's the new place. A sit-down even!
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Another joyous good spot to refuel the body. Just before the eagle monument at the Guerrero Negro Army base.
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A very great encounter with a date saleman near Viscaino. Ummm...those fresh dates are terrrrific.

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If you have kids with you..whatever thier age :rolleyes:...then you will love the old-style carnival and new circus events that pop up on the Baja Road. This one was right across from the Pemex at Mulege.


...So, what brings joy to YOUR heart on the Baja Road?

Skipjack Joe - 4-10-2009 at 11:34 AM

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...So, what brings joy to YOUR heart on the Baja Road?


Primarily the country itself.

There are a few sharp turns in the section between catavina and el rosario where the road doubles back and climbs upward on a hillside dotted with cardons and boojums. I always look forward to this spot with anticipation, especially during evening light.

Another great moment comes when you descend down the highway near Tres Virgenes and first see the blue Cortez. It is always such a welcome sight and has such a calming effect on me. It's not only calming, though. It's also uplifting and hopeful and gives a sense of well being.

There is also that pullout on the left as you approach BOLA. The view of those islands is mesmerizing. Watching the light change on those islands as the sun goes down is a wonderful way to spend an evening. I don't know if that counts as part of the highway.

The viewpoint above Juncalito on a calm day rates way up there as well. On our first trip to Puerto Escondido we thought this was just the finest place. Our grocery runs to Loreto would often end up at this spot.

There are so many others. All due to this wonderful highway.

Oh yes. One other spot. It starts with a 'P'. It's a mountain of boulders in a relatively flat area that is sooo impressive. I never get tired of looking at it. It's south of catavina.


[Edited on 4-10-2009 by Skipjack Joe]

Pompano - 4-10-2009 at 04:41 PM

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...So, what brings joy to YOUR heart on the Baja Road?


Primarily the country itself.

There are a few sharp turns in the section between catavina and el rosario where the road doubles back and climbs upward on a hillside dotted with cardons and boojums. I always look forward to this spot with anticipation, especially during evening light.

Another great moment comes when you descend down the highway near Tres Virgenes and first see the blue Cortez. It is always such a welcome sight and has such a calming effect on me. It's not only calming, though. It's also uplifting and hopeful and gives a sense of well being.


There are so many others. All due to this wonderful highway.

Oh yes. One other spot. It starts with a 'P'. It's a mountain of boulders in a relatively flat area that is sooo impressive. I never get tired of looking at it. It's south of catavina.


[Edited on 4-10-2009 by Skipjack Joe]


Nice choices for Joy, Igor. I feel the same way about a couple of those magical spots on the Baja Road.

That high winding mountainous place between El Rosario and Catavina I like to call 'The Top of the World.' At the very top of the tallest mount I have often camped for the night. A more beautiful evening you could not find. I'm afraid I've been guilty of stepping outside the camper door and shouting ...like Jimmy Cagney.."Look Ma! Top of the World!" And the cops shot him to bits....ah, well, you had to be there.

Three times while camping at Top of the World, I met the same old dog who came to the door. I fed him and left water each time. He must have lived at a nearby rancho and was looking for new compadres.

Also along that high stretch, there is a particularily tall and huge cactus way over on a distant ridge line that always catches my eye as we travel past, and appears to be raising it mighty arms to the heavens. I call it Methusalah. It's like seeing an old friend again...and guess it is just that.

I know that big hill of rocks, Igor. I have a photo of it somewhere, but will not find it today. It is close to this place though..Lake Chapala. This year it's even got some water in it. I saw it once many years ago ringed with snow.
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We also camp in the boulder fields closer in to Catavina. The quietness really helps after a long day on The Road.

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Great spots to just pull off and find your own solitude in the desert.

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Of course you will remember this wash-out area just before Catavina. Flooded every rainy season for many years...
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This landmark is great for motorists and pilots alike..Las Tres Virgens. Shown here from the south.
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Then that first sight, Igor...
That patch of blue Cortez is a welcome sight when going down into El Diablo, the infamous grade north of Sta. Rosalia.
This trucker must have become enthralled with the sight and pulled onto the beach...who needs to rush? Life is good..and Baja sooths the soul.

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Udo - 4-10-2009 at 07:22 PM

This entire thread was worth the Nomad membership

Thanks to Pompano and the rest of you.

CaboRon - 4-11-2009 at 06:41 PM

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This entire thread was worth the Nomad membership

Thanks to Pompano and the rest of you.


Yes, thank you all very much.

desertcpl - 4-11-2009 at 08:00 PM

WOW ,,, thank you so very much

ken/jane

David K - 4-12-2009 at 07:06 AM

Really great photo 'show & tell' Roger! ;D

desertcpl - 4-12-2009 at 07:06 PM

very very nice,, brings back memories

Pompano - 4-12-2009 at 07:08 PM

Well hey, you guys and gals..this is a thread about the Baja Road, so post away.

Tell us about your Road events. Lots of wild and crazy things happen while on that 1000 miles stretch, so share your memories here. Good...or bad.

The floor is open.

Skipjack Joe - 4-13-2009 at 10:30 AM

This is from a recollection I wrote several years ago. The events took place in 1977. It seems appropriate here.

Little did we know that baja had one more surprise in store for us. Somewhere between Catavina and El Rosaria I looked in the rear view mirror and noticed that the boat seemed a bit lower than it should have been. An inspection revealed that the frame of the trailer had cracked on the right side. What to do? We were in the middle of nowhere. A car went by every 45 minutes.

We pulled the boat off and laid it by the side of the road. The trailer frame was lashed together with the spare rope. We decided to separate. Val and Nadine would stay with the boat while Vera and I would go scouting for help. It seemed like a mad plan at the time as there was nothing but an occasional rancho within miles. Nadine, who is actually an accomplished painter, decided not to waste time. She set up her easel and oils and went to work.

Vera and I drove north looking for anyone or anything that could get us out of our predicament. We soon reached an SCT building and asked around. A fairly attractive attendant gestured, holding her index finger an inch from her thumb, smiled, and walked out the back door. Vera pulled me aside and asked me if I understood the gesture. It was their way of saying un momentito (wait a moment). She was far better than I in picking up these nuances. After a lot of background verbiage she reemerged and offered to take us somewhere for the repairs. We climbed back into our Maverick and drove off into the desert. Our vehicle weaved through fields of desert cactus and brush on a dirt road that seemed to go nowhere.

Finally, to my amazement, we came to a field with enormous mounds of dirt and the sound of heavy machinery. It was a mining excavation of some sort. Our companion got out and explained the problem to one of the workers. He left us for a short period of time and then showed up with an acetylene tank and proceeded to weld my trailer back together. I could not believe my good fortune. I offered to pay him for his services but he absolutely refused anything from me. I pleaded some more but the man wouldn?t accept a dime. I soon understood tha my offers were actually insulting him. He finally suggested that I might buy him a cerveza, and so I got him a six pack.

On the way back to the highway the lady asked us if we could somehow get her into the United States. She complained of being bored here in baja, that life was passing her by. I couldn?t believe my ears. She was living in paradise and yet longed for the suburbs of Los Angeles.

By the time we reached our friends it was sunset. The desert was lit up with that golden glow we had grown to love so much. The glow we like to watch on the Sierra Giganta every morning from our campsite at Pt. Escondido. Nadine was now working feverishly to get it all on canvas before the light faded.

Pompano - 4-13-2009 at 11:23 AM

Igor, that is simply a wonderful Baja Road memory and your writing has me there in person...please continue if you have more.

I can relate to the woman who wanted to 'broaden' her bored life. I have lived in Paradise a long time, too, and every now and then search for something that might be missing...but I still don't know what that is...Yet.

I'll get it right soon.


sigh...edit AGAIN for spelling..thunderation!

[Edited on 4-13-2009 by Pompano]

toneart - 4-13-2009 at 11:54 AM

I always carry the book, Magnificent Penninsula. Unfortunately, it is now out of print, I think.
The book is a virtual road map of the whole Baja Penninsula. Around every bend is a new microclimate with changes in terrain; geography, flora & fauna, geology, landmarks, historical sites, hotels and restaurants. It also gives the KM markers to watch for that correspond with each section in the book.

After a few trips, you look forward to terrain that you know is coming up. Each landmark is like an old familiar friend.

I am usually traveling alone and am fully aware of the attention the road requires, so I can only afford a glimpse as the scenery rushes by. If there is a place to pull over, I often do just so I can relax and take it in. Sometime I would like to be a passenger and have the book open in my lap for the whole trip.

The desert is so alive! You discover more with each trip. :yes:

Books of Baja

Pompano - 4-13-2009 at 02:41 PM

Good thoughts, Tony. Books on Baja. Over the years, I've collected many old Baja Road books, travel logs, diarys, and such. I'll readily admit to being somewhat of a book nut about Baja. My bookcases in Coyote are chock full of them. All great reading and I would never leave home without some when motorhoming back and forth. Makes for superb relaxation at your evening camp. Nothing like a stirred martini with some Gardner, ey what, ol chap?

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One I particularily like to revisit is not about the Baja Road, but close enough..the Baja Sea Guide. It follows the shoreline and frequently has references to the main road.

On the other hand, it is a sea-Road I have followed before..and intend to again. Making voyages.. land or water..there's little else.
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Truly a Joy of the Baja Road...Baja Books
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MECHANICS OF BAJA - La Moca

Pompano - 4-13-2009 at 07:50 PM

One of my great Joys ..yes, and sometimes a Sorrow.. of the Baja Road are the 'mechanics.'

As I drive south of the border, leaving highly professional auto repairs of America behind, and make my way south on the peninsula, I must confess to a sudden rush of adrenalin if I hear a slight knock in the engine..a vibration in the steering column...a clunk in the tranny...brakes grinding on metal going down El Diablo!

It becomes a challenge..a test of inspiration and innovation, a throwback to the days of my youth spent in blacksmith and tackle shops of western North Dakota..which is a lot like southern rural Baja is today. Small towns and hamlets where you fixed the problem yourself if possible, but always had one or two highly self-sufficient mechanics..masters of ingenuity. Back home the saying was 'fixed it with some baling wire and twine...she'll run fine now' ..and this he did to your brand new 24-valve Cummins! Here in Baja it is pretty much the same. They are the same characters. You either love em or hate em.

The only really difference is the lefse for lunch is called a tortilla.

To explain my love/hate affair with rural Baja Sur mechanics, I need to put you in my shoes..well, sandals then.

Many years ago, it was hard for me at first to accept these unique characters as 'real mechanics.'

I quickly learned that appearances don't count at all. Forget the spotless, almost operating room clean, mechanic shops in major city, USA. Like this one in Lompoc, Ca. where I replaced a bad tranny..under warranty thank God.

The place was almost sterile...in more ways than one. I once spent a week in Lompoc one night.
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So okay, we are way south on the Baja Road now...and can you hear that new engine noise?.. my heart begins to beat faster, anticipating a possible adventure.

This trip may be... the Mother of All Creative Adaptations...La MOCA! Ah...this is the BAJA ROAD!

No fancy hydraulic jacks, power tools, or crispy uniforms. Nope...here you can kill a rat, swig a few brews, and have a pidgeon crap on your head while having that strange knock in your rig checked out.
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The place is incredibly filthy and dark, kids washing some intregal part of what looks like your electronic computer in a gasoline pail, smiling knowingly at you, always a pregnant dog laying over in the corner, about 50 buckets and pails of some type of oil, a greasy tarp with thousands of your engine parts on it...all taken off with a large vise grip, piles of rotors, gears, axles,....and some kid riding off with your crankshaft strapped to his bike, returning God knows when. Y'know, fun stuff.
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To entertain you while waiting 3-4 days for your crankshaft to show back up, the other kids wash your car or RV with some greasy rags and brown water. Makes no difference that you just had it waxed and it shines like a new penny...they climb up on it and grease 'er up good...especially the windows...clean windshields in Baja are a magnet for kids.

Good thing there are more rats and brews.

Then you notice for the first time an elderly couple sitting over there in the shade of a mesquite tree. Their eyes are shut and they appear to be sleeping. That dusty motorhome with the Iowa plates, no wheels or engine, and the goat on the roof must be theirs.

When the job is finally done and you have sobered up enough to talk coherently again, you settle the bill and wonder how the heck can that be enough? All this would have cost you a mint in the USA, but here you feel you should press double the asked-for amount on the hard-working mecanico. But no, all is good with the 'maestro' and he and family wave happy goodbyes to you as you drive away...back on the road to adventure.

Which brings us to that question many motoring visitors have asked me over the years...How do you FIND a good mechanic?

Well, you're doing the right thing, I say....you ask....you ask around town. Mexicans seldom do their own engine work and all have their favorite shops and mechanic buddies. Also ask gringos who live in that area. Often the locals will show you or take to their best choices. Or ask a taxi driver..they know everybody! If all else fails, you will have to make the rounds yourself, no sweato, it's easy. Just look alongside the highways for the biggest shade tree. Sometimes you will come across the new, shiny, car dealership and 'authorized repair' and think you have found a real gem...not always the case and indeed, in most cases, these will be the worst place to go. A really good mechanic in Baja will almost always want to work for himself...makes more money that way, as the big shops do not pay very well, plus things cost more at the big agencies. Backyard mecanicos seldom charge overtime and will work long hard hours to get your job done. Plus sending a family member to get a needed part by bus if need be. All you need to have is patience. Remember that Iowa couple? They were still there when we went back in the spring. The old woman had opened a lefse stand.


While you are waiting in the taller..garage...here's some tips:

Don't be afraid to get a good estimate...What will it cost? "Mas o menos, cuanto va a costar?" If a huge amount, get a written estimate...a presupuesto. Sometimes you may have to pay a little in advance if there are parts to be bought.
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And keep in mind that Baja is a lot like rural areas in the US...some parts are not new, but 're-conditioned' or 're-cycled'. This photo shows a kind of auto parts store' found on Baja Road.
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Checking new spark plugs always is a blast..all different brands and just 'slightly used', but they work! It's a good idea to stay with your car while repairs are being made...the maestro will give it more attention personally, rather than let the kids tear at it...and you provide the pidgeons a target, too. Keep a good eye on the amount of oil being added if you asked for an oil change..the last rig may have held 16 liters and the kid will think it's the same for yours, too.
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Naturally, you will test drive..and if something happens after you are driving away, don't be afraid to take it back right away. It's expected..just do it calmly and respectfully. I have never had anything but the most apologetic and quick treatment to get the job made good after bringing it back.
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Comparatively, in the US you call for an appointment and consider yourself lucky to get in within 2 weeks, then the bill gives you a fatal heart attack. On a vacation trip to Acapulco once many years ago while college break, my VW camper engine stuttered to a stop on a lonely highway. A ladies lingerie salesman stopped in his VW, quickly found the problem, and manufactured an unique set of points right on the spot, got me going, and wouldn't take a peso for his troubles. We thanked him with all our hearts, then followed him to his hotel and paid for his room over much protesting. A top day in our travel diary. Those custom points ran that VW all the way back to North Dakota.

The Baja Road has provided us with many years of such events...brakes, driveshafts, engines, tires, hoods flying off, you name it...emergency stuff. I start to recall all the great mechanics I have met over the years driving The Road..and their particular specialties. Some are for brakes, some for axles, some for welding, some for electrical, some for paint jobs, some for transmissions, some are for drinking beer with (Yeah, you know who I mean.)
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Well, you get the idea...about the experiences with these genuine saints..or devils....the Baja Road mechanics.
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Know Any?

Skipjack Joe - 4-14-2009 at 01:24 PM

I had a water pump replaced by the Loreto mechanic whose shop is next to the water tower. His shop wasn't as messy as the one in San Quintin but I really enjoyed the experience with him.

We couldn't find one to match my truck in Loreto. He kept repeating about Loreto "Es un pueblo!" as though apologizing for the lack of car parts. Eventually he got a pump made for a different truck and added a spacer where needed and it worked just fine for years.

He was a bit of a foul mouthed individual, which I really enjoyed. He kept referring to my truck as a P-nche caro .

But what stayed with me all these years was the sage advice he gave me. Alex was 5 at the time and had thrown up on our sleeping bags a few nights before. It came up during our conversation while he was tightening some bolt. He just smiled at me waving me off and said with a twinkle:

"Small kids - small problems"
"Big kids - problemas mas grandes"

Driving tips from a truck driver

DanO - 4-14-2009 at 05:21 PM

The following is from a post by a truck driver on another, non-Baja related discussion board (with a few of my own edits). The advice he gives, however, is applicable anywhere in Baja, and he puts it very well.

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Before we dive into how one can best avoid a fate worse than quick death, let's review some physics. Most passenger vehicles on American roads typically weigh between 3,000 and 4,500 pounds. The biggest passenger vehicle generally encountered, the H1 Hummer, weighs just over 10,000 pounds. My Freightliner, pulling an empty 53' dry van trailer, weighs between 32,000 and 33,000 pounds. Empty. Under Federal (and State) regulations my maximum legal gross weight is 80,000 pounds, 20 times that of a minivan, eight times what a Hummer weighs. My tires weigh about 120 pounds each, and are inflated to between 100-120 psi. Just my fuel tanks, when full, weigh as much as the average passenger car. If we get tangled up, whether it's your fault, my fault or nobody's fault at all, you will lose. Every time.

It takes me longer to do anything in an 80,000 pound truck that's 65 feet long and bends in the middle than a car; accelerating, changing lanes, stopping. Please bear that in mind.

Entering a highway in a car should be a simple process: use your acceleration lane to allow you to match speed with traffic. Jumping out into a traffic lane at 40 mph in front of a truck going 65 apparently seems like a good idea to a lot of people, but I've never figured out why. Most truckers will move over a lane if they can to give merging traffic a clear lane, but running alongside them in the acceleration lane assuming they can or will, then having to brake sharply at the end of the lane (or darting just in front of them) is downright stupid. If you follow a truck onto a highway it will seem like it takes it forever to get up to speed; it seems that way to the guy driving it too. The dumbest thing you can do is to pop out from behind it without bothering to check on the traffic in the next lane that is already at speed. The extra ten seconds you have to remain behind the truck is rarely fatal; the pop-out move frequently is.

There are two safe places to drive in relation to heavy trucks; behind them or in front of them. Beside them is a really bad idea for a variety of reasons. First, it's much harder for the driver to stay aware of exactly where you are, particularly on the "off" (right) side, and you really want the driver of any truck around you to know exactly where you are and where you intend to go. Running over you is terribly inconvenient.

Perhaps the top reason to avoid running alongside a truck is those tires I mentioned earlier. The majority of trailer tires on commercial vehicles are recaps, inflated to 120 psi. When one lets go it can throw chunks weighing 50 pounds or more at velocities well exceeding the truck's speed, and sounds like a grenade going off. Scares the hell out of me when it happens 50 feet behind me; it can (and does) knock the window out of a car that's alongside, even if no rubber hits the car. If you are going to pass a truck, go ahead and get it completed. DON'T DAWDLE ALONGSIDE!

Trucks have a modern innovation many people are apparently unfamiliar with, lights down each side (and on each corner) that flash (cars have these too but they are rarely used). These are known to professional drivers as "directional signals" or simply "turn signals". If you will watch carefully these give you advance notice of where that vehicle is going to be in the very near future, which is a very good place to arrange to not be when it gets there. They are NOT an indication that it's time to speed up so you aren't behind it; behind it beats under it every time. There will also be times when you see a truck in front of you suddenly start flashing these "directional signals" on both sides at the same time. This configuration is known as "emergency flashers" and usually means there is some bad sh*t of some kind ahead you probably want to hit as slowly as possible.

When traffic is heavy you will notice that trucks tend to leave a gap between their front bumper and the vehicle ahead. While this space may look invitingly like it is custom designed to fit your car it is actually the driver's estimate of his safe stopping distance in case the traffic in front stops suddenly. If you dart into that space and traffic does stop you just made his stopping distance fall somewhere between your headrest and dash. This is almost always unpleasant. Should you need to move into such a space simply pull up alongside the space, match your speed to the speed of the vehicle that defines the front of the space, find the control for YOUR "directional signal" (usually a stick protruding from the left side of your steering column, push it up for "right" or down for "left", with a little practice you'll figure it out), and give the truck a moment to give you room, they almost always will.

Sharing the road with trucks is a fact of life; EVERYTHING you eat, drink, sit on, work with or play with has to move by truck several times, from raw material to delivery to the point of purchase, before you get your hands on it. The entire economy depends on there being millions of trucks in motion 24 hours a day. Dying under one is largely optional, and the choice is, for the most part, yours.

Folks driving the same road every day DON'T PAY ATTENTION!! Everything is routine, they make the same turns at the same places at the same time every morning, without having to think about any of it, so they have plenty of time to review the paperwork for the 8:00 meeting or finish the sports section on the way. Until something slightly out of the ordinary happens and they kill a pedestrian or drive under a bus that's running a few minutes late.

The fact that I have managed to drive a truck for roughly 15 years without an accident, driving in whatever conditions and at whatever time is necessary, is partially attributable to luck, but is primarily because I am fanatical about keeping track of every vehicle I can see, calculating what the stupidest possible thing they can do is and having a response ready in case they do it. If there is a deer in the treeline alongside the road I want to know it, not because it affects me just standing there but because it may not keep standing there.

By far the most important single thing any driver can do to maximize their chances of completing any trip, whether it's across the Country or two blocks to the store is PAY ATTENTION! Drunk drivers and idiot kids with cars will both have a much harder time killing you if you have already noticed their erratic driving and considered your options for getting out of their way.

No matter how good a driver you are, no matter how good your reflexes, no matter how attentive you may be bad sh*t can (and will, if you drive enough) happen to or around you. No matter what happens, KEEP DRIVING! As long as you have control of your vehicle, use it. If you lose control, keep trying because you just might get it back. You can quit driving when you're dead, but until them putting your hands over your eyes will NEVER improve the situation, but will frequently make it far worse than it has to be.

There are three kinds of things you can hit with a car; things travelling the same direction as you, things that are not moving relative to you and things that are oncoming. I list them in that order because that is the order of desirability for hitting them. Hitting something (usually a vehicle, obviously) travelling the same direction is rarely fatal (unless the speed differential is extreme, in which case you weren't paying attention), as long as that's all you hit. The most popular way to make this situation far worse is to then hit either a stationary object or an oncoming one by the simple expedient of allowing undirected physics to determine the outcome by not continuing to drive. Even at high speed a simple sideswipe is not a serious matter (if you aren't a piece of sheet metal) but I can't tell you how many times I've seen a few hundred dollars worth of damage turn tragic because one (or both) drivers quit. NEVER QUIT!

Stationary objects are fairly easy to avoid hitting because, well, they are stationary. Some, like bridge abutments, are particularly important to avoid hitting because they won't move even after you hit them. The number one way to avoid hitting this kind of stationary object is NEVER LEAVE THE ROAD. No matter what is happening IN the road you will almost invariably make it worse by leaving any road at high speed. Hitting a deer or a dog or ass-ending a car that pulls out in front of you is almost always less destructive than what happens if you leave the road, thereby entering an area heavily populated with stationary objects we professionals call "not on the road".

The only thing worse than hitting a stationary object is hitting one that is oncoming, thereby adding your speed to it's speed to make the impact truly spectacular. This is to be avoided at all costs. If, for any reason, you find yourself driving in the median of a divided highway STAY THERE. There is nothing in a median that will be as painful to hit as coming out into opposing traffic will be.

There are two primary elements of "control" that you want to maintain, and use, when the sh*t gets in the fanbelt; steering and speed. GET RID OF SPEED. No matter what kind of bad sh*t is about to happen to you it will almost invariably be less unpleasant if you are going less fast. When things go wrong shed speed as fast as you can while not losing control. Jumping on the brakes with both feet in most emergencies is a bad idea because, anti-lock brakes or not, it is a very good way to relinquish all directional control. Using your brakes to rapidly bleed speed, on the other hand, is usually the best idea you will have all day when the fan blades get shmeared.

Many folks seem to think that they must drive at least the posted limit, regardless of conditions; these people are frequently known as roadkill. They might get away with it for years, luck apparently having an affinity for the stupid, but depending on luck when travelling at 100 feet-per-second is not my idea of fun.

Perhaps the most deceptively dangerous driving conditions present themselves when a road is freshly wet, especially if the weather has been dry for a while. After a few minutes the accumulated oil and rubber and bug guts will wash off, but for those few minutes the road is as slick as it will ever be without ice.

ANY less-than-optimal condition should trigger an immediate reduction in speed, whether it is rain, fog, snow, heavier traffic or livestock in the road. At 70 mph you are covering almost 100 feet every second; at 50 mph it's closer to 70 feet. Go out into your front yard and mark off these distances so you can visualize them, the difference can be huge. At the same time, the difference can be barely significant. Most trips by car are in the neighborhood of ten miles or less; at 70 mph ten miles takes about 8 1/2 minutes. Cutting your speed to 60 mph for the same trip adds an entire minute-and-a-half, ninety seconds, while increasing significantly your chances of completing it unhindered by death or dismemberment, both of which are notorious for the delays they cause.

The time to chop your speed is NOT when you hit adverse conditions, it's when you see them. Every year we hear about horrendous chain-reaction crashes involving dozens of vehicles piling up in fog banks. In somewhere between a million-and-a-half and two million highway miles I have never seen fog, except where it was artificially produced, that went immediately from clear to thick. If you run into fog that reduces your visibility at all lose some speed; if the fog clears you can resume your speed with the loss of a few seconds. If it thickens and you are going 50 instead of 70 that thirty feet-per-second difference might well be a life-or-death difference.

There's an easy way to gauge whether your speed on sub-optimal roads is appropriate; swerve 6 inches either way. If you are afraid to do so because you fear losing control, you are going too fast. A gazillion different things can happen that will force you to change position within your lane. If you can't swerve by 6" you aren't really in control, you're a passenger.

If road conditions are less than ideal forget that you have a cruise control, TURN IT OFF! You need to be actively in control of everything, and having your car trying to accellerate when you are busy avoiding an obstruction or evading a skidding car is not helpful...

You, or a family member, are more likely to be injured or killed by a driver talking on a cell phone than a drunk driver!! An individual driver on the phone is slightly less dangerous than a drunk, but in the aggregate they are far worse because they vastly outnumber drunks, particularly during the daytime. Their contribution to motor vehicle accidents is grossly under-reported and under-appreciated because, unlike drunks, there's a cellphone in damned-near every car and truck on the road, so it's usually not even worthy of note.

Drivers with a cell phone stuck to their head are, like drunks, blissfully unaware of their surroundings. In polite company I call them "cell-zombies"; most of the time I more accurately call them stupid motherf*ckers. If you are observant they are usually fairly easy to recognize. They invariably stay glued in whatever lane they happen to start out in, even when a lane change would be appropriate or safer, to the extent of never noticing an emergency vehicle behind them with flashing lights (until they bump the siren). Generally, their speed will gradually decrease, because like everything else they aren't paying attention to their speedometer.
Drivers on cell phones, when they finally DO realize they must change lanes, are far less likely than the average driver to signal the change or visually clear the lane they are moving into, and, since they frequently fail to keep track of where they are geographically, are more likely than most to cross several lanes at once, having run past their exit while getting caught up on what Suzy is cooking for dinner. They are more likely to run red lights because they don't notice them, and will invariably be the last to react to visible road hazards ahead.

I understand that in today's world it is almost unavoidable that even the most responsible driver will get/make fairly important calls while driving, but it is fairly easy to minimize the chances that doing so will contribute to your hurting or killing someone. First, if the call cannot be cut short within about a minute, get off the road. If the call requires that you give or receive detailed instructions or write anything longer than a phone number down, get off the road.

While you are actually on the phone you have to consciously and aggressively compensate for the deficiencies celling causes, by forcing yourself to remain hyper-aware of your surroundings and keeping your eyes moving, constantly, from the road in front to your mirrors to your instruments (as you should anyway).

And for the Love of Corn, if you have a teenager who drives (that you want to keep around) find some way to get across to them that there is no way that somebody who is, at best, marginally safe to drive on dry roads in broad daylight can pull it off when their feeble little addled mind is absorbed with what they are texting or talking about.

The most dangerous car on the road is NOT the 1978 Cutlass Supreme with lots of Bondo and a 40-year-old drunk at the wheel; it's a Pontiac Sunbird with 4 or 5 teenaged girls in it, most or all of whom are on the phone. The only way it can be worse is if the driver is texting.

LaTijereta - 4-14-2009 at 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I had a water pump replaced by the Loreto mechanic whose shop is next to the water tower. His shop wasn't as messy as the one in San Quintin but I really enjoyed the experience with him.
He was a bit of a foul mouthed individual, which I really enjoyed. He kept referring to my truck as a P-nche caro .

He just smiled at me waving me off and said with a twinkle:

"Small kids - small problems"
"Big kids - problemas mas grandes"


Joe.. You are talking about Ruben, who used own that shop and could fix just about anything on four wheels in those days.. Not the cheapest mechanic on Loreto, but one of the cleanest..
He sold that property, and relocated out on the hwy, just south of town on the rightside.

Udo - 4-15-2009 at 07:32 AM

Ey DanO...
I hope the trucker's story wasn't a translation from Spanish. Sounds like it was written by a NorteAmericano.
Cood credos to live and drive by!

Pompano - 4-15-2009 at 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by LaTijereta
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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I had a water pump replaced by the Loreto mechanic whose shop is next to the water tower. His shop wasn't as messy as the one in San Quintin but I really enjoyed the experience with him.
He was a bit of a foul mouthed individual, which I really enjoyed. He kept referring to my truck as a P-nche caro .

He just smiled at me waving me off and said with a twinkle:

"Small kids - small problems"
"Big kids - problemas mas grandes"


Joe.. You are talking about Ruben, who used own that shop and could fix just about anything on four wheels in those days.. Not the cheapest mechanic on Loreto, but one of the cleanest..
He sold that property, and relocated out on the hwy, just south of town on the rightside.


I can second..or third..the recommendation on Ruben's work. Especially on my Cummins diesel. Gracias, Ruben.

Qualified diesel mechanics near our area of The Baja Road are a rare breed.

Some places of interest along the Baja Road...El Rosario to Catavina.

Pompano - 4-21-2009 at 09:20 AM

EL ROSARIO...at the bottom of that steep grade...and where the space aliens block out satellite radios. :rolleyes:

Fellow nomad BajaCactus has a nice modern Pemex station in El Rosario. Have always found this to be a pleasant and clean place to top off.
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Next door to the BajaCactus motel.

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And just down the lane a piece...Historic Mama Espinoza's. I always stop there, too. And yes, I eat there, too! Sheesh, I think the food is great and just had a delicious dinner. A truly great piece of Baja Road lore. I like this old photo best...has that 'flavor'.


Here's my newest one to compare.

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El Rosario's sad and painful memory.


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A familar landmark for Baja Road drivers...the puente just south of El Rosario. We once waited a week here for the floodwaters to go down.

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How many of you remember what stood on this spot just north of Catavina, near the vado that always has some water?

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A nice place to explore..and take a dip if there has been recent rains.

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Here's that vado just north of Catavina that always used to have some running water..now 'improved' and not much fun anymore.

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I was not out of gas, but needed just a little more 'for insurance' and so I got to try out the gas barrel sales across from Catavina's Desert Inn. Forget the price, it's a handy service if needed.


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..and that's all he wrote for now...