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ALMOST A DISASTER IN THE DESERT

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-5-2009 at 06:32 PM

While at this location, 30.208962 -114.953829, (Google Earth), I destroyed my right rear brakes. The story is that I put on my parking brakes while parked on an incline with my four wheel drive still engaged. Later, when I moved my truck I forgot to disengage the handbrake and took off. Well in four wheel drive I was not stopped by the handbrake. I took off and drove a distance of about 50 to 100 feet when I heard a loud popping sound followed by metal on metal noises in the back. I looked under my truck and noticed brake fluid leaking from the right rear wheel area. Thank goodness I had my 3-1/2 ton jack with me. I think the pictures below speak for themselves. The brake backing plate was bent and all of the brake parts were loose in the brake drum.

With help from Paco we removed all the brake guts and at the suggestion of Paco we used a cut nail to tap one end of the brake line to plug the line. With that and a little brake fluid Sany had I at least had three working brakes and cautiously drove back to El Rosario. My brother Jimmy sent me to San Quintin to a place called Frenos Unicos. It is located across the street from a school at the very south end of town. Manuel, the owner drove me to the junk yard to locate a right rear brake backing plate but they wanted to sell me an entire differential just for the part I needed. I did not buy it so Manuel had them remove the brake backing plate and tap the brake line junction box above the differential with a nail.

Manuel had to open up my differential to remove the right rear axle to get access to the brake backing plate then reinstall everything. He even put a new set of brake pads on my left rear wheel all for 300 Pesos. I can recommend Frenos Unicos and Manuel to anyone needing break repairs while down in that area. I went back to El Rosario then back out into the mountains where I spent another night under the stars. The repairs got me home safe and sound with plenty of braking power.

Normal appearance of rear brake backing plate


My right rear wheel without rear backing plate (YIKES NO BRAKE)



Brake line junction box above rear differential. The screw in piece on the right had a nail inside blocking the fluid from escaping


The pieces


First Night camping before brake problem


Sany sleeping by his Cat. On the left you can see my air mattress and sleeping bag in the back of my truck


Paco's bed on the side of the cat. I did bring two cots for them but only Paco used it.


Sany sleeping on the ground at second camp site.


Paco sleeping on the ground at the second camp site.

Of course I am comfortable on my air mattress in the back of my truck


This is also near 30.208962 -114.953829, (Google Earth)



[Edited on 4-6-2009 by ELINVESTI8]

BigWooo - 4-5-2009 at 07:29 PM

Glad you made it back OK. I've done that a few times, but caught it right away. For some unknown reason I only leave the brake on in 4WD when it's not as noticeable.

Von - 4-5-2009 at 08:44 PM

Cool!

rpleger - 4-5-2009 at 10:52 PM

Good story....happy that you made it back...

Mexitron - 4-6-2009 at 04:28 AM

Glad you made it back okay--good ol' Baja ingenuity! What were the guys doing with the cat?

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-6-2009 at 04:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexitron
...What were the guys doing with the cat?


Mexitron Sany was fixing/making a road to his property to bring out his Yuca plants to market.

[Edited on 4-6-2009 by ELINVESTI8]

ligui - 4-6-2009 at 06:08 AM

Thanks, great story , good people ...:yes:

I always love a good breakdown story. I remenber the days looking for parts going from place to place.

Woooosh - 4-6-2009 at 11:08 AM

I'd still be there- with vultures circling above.

woody with a view - 4-6-2009 at 12:52 PM

hey El-

how do you like the truckbedz you are sleeping on? does it go soft every night like my coleman does? where did you get it and how much. i see one to fit my tundra bed online for $200 or the cheaper version for $100. which do you have? seems kinda steep, but a good night sleep on the beach is worth it, maybe.....

[Edited on 4-6-2009 by woody in ob]

Sharksbaja - 4-6-2009 at 01:16 PM

"does it go soft every night like my coleman does?"

Yep, mine does, always has.:mad:

DENNIS - 4-6-2009 at 01:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
"does it go soft every night like my coleman does?"

Yep, mine does, always has.:mad:


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


I'm not laughing at you...just with you.

Sharksbaja - 4-6-2009 at 01:25 PM

David nice of you to share your experience. I really like that nail in the brakeline fitting technique. I probably could have done that 30 years ago when a big branch completely ripped out one rear line one time way back in the White Montains. I used a small pair of vicegrips to seal it.

I am so glad my current truckhas big rear disc brakes. No comparison to the old drum brakes. I was always repairing those bastards.

Good for you getting it handled so quickly!

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-6-2009 at 01:25 PM

Hi Woody I got mine at:

http://www.truckcandy.com/TC/TruckBedz/TruckBedz.htm?source=...

I bought the cheaper of the two models to see if I liked it and did not have any problems with deflation the two nights I used it. That’s not to say it will not happen. But for now I love it! It comes with a 12 volt blower with different nozzles to accommodate various openings. I highly recommend it!

P.S. Sharks I am carrying some nails that fit the brake line from now on. I was going to pinch the line shut with a small sledge hammer until Paco suggested the nail.

[Edited on 4-6-2009 by ELINVESTI8]

Sharksbaja - 4-6-2009 at 01:25 PM

David nice of you to share your experience. I really like that nail in the brakeline fitting technique. I probably could have done that 30 years ago when a big branch completely ripped out one rear line one time way back in the White Montains. I used a small pair of vicegrips to seal it.

I am so glad my current truckhas big rear disc brakes. No comparison to the old drum brakes. I was always repairing those bastards.

Good for you getting it handled so quickly!

woody with a view - 4-6-2009 at 03:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
"does it go soft every night like my coleman does?"

Yep, mine does, always has.:mad:



so THAT'S what you call it?:?:

CaboRon - 4-6-2009 at 05:38 PM

David,

That CAT looks like a great camping vehicle :lol::lol:

Sharksbaja - 4-6-2009 at 06:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
"does it go soft every night like my coleman does?"

Yep, mine does, always has.:mad:



so THAT'S what you call it?:?:


Wha?? Oh, I have a Truckbedz mattress. Very comfortable till around 4am.:lol:

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-6-2009 at 06:57 PM

Ron that Cat is as old as Sany, 62 years old. It has been modified from its original cable operated blade to its current hydraulic configuration. I cannot believe that Sany has kept it going for the 15 or so years he has had it. Sany's wife Lili says she is jealous of the Cat and calls it Sany's "Other woman" because he spends more time with it than her. What a road maker it is. I was amazed. It can go anywhere!:lol:

fandango - 4-6-2009 at 07:15 PM

woody:
i use an air mattress in the back of my truck. i got the walmart brand, double size, in their camping section. it fits between the wheel wells. also purchased a blower that plugs in to the cig lighter through the back window of the truck. its great! longest trip with it was 5 nights and it didn't lose air. dirt cheap, like $35.00!!!

David K - 4-7-2009 at 07:28 AM

On Google Earth, you can see all the new road work done by Sony (Sonny, Sany) Espinoza in the area of San Juan de Dios... and now El Metate is not at the end of a road... it goes on past the ranch and meets up with roads north of El Aguila/ San Agustin.

surfer jim - 4-7-2009 at 07:40 AM

Let's get that CAT and finish the road east from Puertocitos/Gonzaga over to Catavina....and push a few rocks off the Widowmaker grade as well....:yes:

woody with a view - 12-26-2009 at 07:28 PM

El

i'm planning on buying a TruckBedz finally and was wondering if it is still holding air every night during your ghost hunting missions. we're just tired of sleeping on a comforter and are always trying to upgrade even though the bedrug and a comforter inside the SnugTop is a big upgrade from a tent.

someday i'll get that F350 with a pop up, but until then.......

Diver - 12-26-2009 at 07:34 PM

Get the pop-up for the Tundra !!
Our pick-up camper had a 4" foam mattress that was the most comfortable bed I ever had.

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-26-2009 at 08:51 PM

Woody I highly recommend it. I used it three times in Baja. I just used it again in October 2009 while I was "Ghost Busting" at San Juan De Dios and it kept the air. It’s a great mattress and it custom fits the bed of your truck. Like anything else though it can be damaged.

bajafam - 2-2-2010 at 07:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
David nice of you to share your experience. I really like that nail in the brakeline fitting technique. I probably could have done that 30 years ago when a big branch completely ripped out one rear line one time way back in the[B] White Montains.[/B] I used a small pair of vicegrips to seal it.

I am so glad my current truckhas big rear disc brakes. No comparison to the old drum brakes. I was always repairing those bastards.

Good for you getting it handled so quickly!


White Mountains? Donde?

wessongroup - 2-2-2010 at 07:56 PM

Hey, David.. thought it was a new thread took me couple lines to figure out that someone had put up a new post..and brought it back up... then I re-read it and this time it made me laugh big time .. the first time I was going OH, my.. really hard cheese there.. but, man... he as able to it torn down, and all the way over to SQ to get parts and get the sucker back on the road... great job.. cool

This time when I read it I started laughing at what you must have been doing and saying, when you got out of the truck and took a good look at what you had done ...:lol::lol:

Then I really started laughing who in the world would be taking PICTURES OF IT, I would have never thought to take of picture of it.. as, I would most likely been throwing rocks and telling myself "real good job" ... that's when I thought, no body but a trained investigator from the Marines.. by the book.. :lol::lol:

But, you got it done, had and a well written report on the event.. well documented, excellent pictures, identity of "players" .. and the narrative is really very good, that you knew all these folks was really neat.... one thing.... how did all the others get the "dirt" and you get an excellent air matters that doesn't lose air :lol::lol::lol:

What's more, you highly recommend it :lol::lol::lol:

Really like the shot of you in the truck on the nice soft air mattress and the other guys sleeping in the dirt.. :lol::lol:

Its all good, not a high jack, just an observation on a great story on what you must do when you tear your tuck apart down in the Baja..

Me.... I would die...... they would find me by all the buzzards circle my corps..yeah, i know, but even with the knowledge, I'm a goner.. if I took a sat phone, I would drop it on a rock and break it.. if I got a spot device, it would be one that would not get signal, were I broke down.. plus it would most likely rain, and have a real low heavy cloud cover..

As you can imagine, I tend to stay close to the house... keep the stories coming there greatc :):)

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-2-2010 at 09:10 PM

Wiley, this was a day that will live in infamy, with me anyway. The morale of the story is to never ever put your parking brakes on while in four wheel drive. If you do, remember to disengage first. The power will rip them apart literally. Did you go to Google earth with the coordinates to see where I was? Man that was miles from anywhere when I heard the snap crackle and pop. No Pompano it was not the Rice Krispies talking either.

I remained calm and looked underneath and saw the puddle of brake fluid. I knew it was going to be bad and it was. Paco who was raised by Mama Espinoza and her Husband Heraclio from the young age of about 5 years old into his teenage years is a very good mechanic. He’s the one who suggested tapping a nail into the brake like to make a seal. I had a three ton jack with me so I was no problem tackling the problem.

I did not have the thought to take pictures in the desert of the mess. Hindsight being 20-20 I should have. All the pictures you see are from inside of my garage back home. My brother Sany Espinoza had some extra brake fluid and with the patching Paco and I did and the rest of Sany’s brake fluid I limped back to El Rosario then on to Frenos Unicos in San Quintin. I finally limped home with three brakes and a plug job.

Back in the states it cost $1,500 to replace all my brakes, backing plate, ball joints, right upper control arm and torsion bars. It was a rough desert dontcha know. I told my brother Sany that I would never go back out there anymore.

NOTE: I recommend that the Baja List of things to have is nails of various sizes for your tool box especially the size that makes a tight seal in your brake line.

Now let me tell you about this air mattress of mine. I positively love it. The three times I used it in Baja it has served me well. Form fits right into my Ford Ranger and I sleep like a baby. Well until I saw dead people in Rancho El Metate in San Juan De Dios this last trip I made.

I SEE DEAD PEOPLE - I THINK

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=42302#pid4638...


Frenos Unicos located in San Quintín

Address: Av. Emiliano Zapata 150
Ejido Nuevo Baja California
Ensenada, Baja California 22930

It is located across the street from a school.

Tel: From USA 01152616.165-2325

Baja Cell Phone: 616.165-2325

Owner: Manuel Cabrera

Complete Brake Repair

He got me back on the road for 300 pesos. I can attest that he does great work.

[Edited on 2-3-2010 by ELINVESTIG8R]

wessongroup - 2-3-2010 at 01:52 PM

Oh, my.. just looked it up.. what were you doing in Beverly Hills on Redo Dr.:lol::lol:.. you were out in the boonies.. man.. you looking for gold? :):)

And would have to agree with you.. it will just tear the hell of it.. but, it is one strong vehicle you got there.. can't stop them 4 X 4's with just a parking brake.. :o:o

And on the air mattress, I bet Paco and Sany both thought it to be the most comforable thing in miles to sleep on that they could see, as they were on the rocks with hormigas and escorpión and other crawling critters .. suprised they just didn't pull the blanket over your head and use entrenching tools or a cresent wrench on you.. :lol::lol: oh, that's right they are family.. your lucky mine would have made use I was as uncomfortable as they might have been.. :saint::saint:

Your adventure to the out back servers one to remember to go really slow.. and take ones time.. it only take a second.. and there you are.. sleeping on your air mattress :):)

[Edited on 2-3-2010 by wessongroup]

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-3-2010 at 02:21 PM

Sany and Paco were already out at the destination marked by the coordinates doing some road building/repair so he can get his yucca plants out from one of his properties way, way back there. That day I obtained rudimentary verbal instructions from Sany’s wife Lili and took off alone to go find them. It took me literally hours to navigate from one mesa to the other putting all my navigational skills to work that day. I then found the caterpillar tracks and after that it was a piece of cake to find them, but the road was muy brusco (very rough) hence all the damage to my other non-brake related damage.

In all fairness, “To Me,” I did bring two extra cots and two extra self inflating air mattresses for them. Paco was the only one who used it the first night. The second night he slept on the ground. I think he did not want to look like a “Puss” in Sany’s eyes as Sany is a hard corps kind of guy and likes sleeping on the ground. Don’t think Sany did not rib me when he saw me breaking out my custom made Gringo mattress and 12 volt inflator. He howled. Good naturedly of course. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

wessongroup - 2-3-2010 at 02:35 PM

It's all good, just playing with an old Marine.. couldn't you tell "entrenching tool" :lol::lol:

And you are right, it would have been pretty hard to find those guys where they were... and you were lucky to find the tracks.. as they must have had that cat out there for a while.. given their location, a little to the east of bum flock Egypt..

I liked the part on the inflator.. don't remember that, but it could have been from laughing to hard... still a good story.. and you got some good folks there...

[Edited on 2-3-2010 by wessongroup]

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-3-2010 at 02:38 PM

I know you were playing!

Sharksbaja - 2-3-2010 at 03:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajafam
Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
David nice of you to share your experience. I really like that nail in the brakeline fitting technique. I probably could have done that 30 years ago when a big branch completely ripped out one rear line one time way back in the[B] White Montains.[/B] I used a small pair of vicegrips to seal it.

I am so glad my current truckhas big rear disc brakes. No comparison to the old drum brakes. I was always repairing those bastards.

Good for you getting it handled so quickly!


White Mountains? Donde?


The White Mountain range is the next range east of the High Sierras separated by the Owens Valley. The oldest living trees in the world are there. Called the "Ancient Bristlecones", they live at a very high altitude and are many thousands of years old.

40 years ago a 4X4 was needed to ascend the mountains. Now you can drive a regular vehicle up there. You can get back in those mountains on dirt roads and is a very beautiful place. We liked to go in May. We usually four-wheeled in the Sierras but when the snowpack was too deep we would go into the White Mountains because the snow melted earlier.

That trip was scary when I broke the line. I did not have brake fluid so I used water. Worked great but caused me to eventually replace ALL the lines, cyls etc.

I always bring tons of repair parts(and brake fluid), nails included.:lol:


My matt-ress still leaks.:rolleyes:

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-3-2010 at 03:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja

That trip was scary when I broke the line. I did not have brake fluid so I used water. Worked great but caused me to eventually replace ALL the lines, cyls etc.

I always bring tons of repair parts(and brake fluid), nails included.:lol:

My matt-ress still leaks.:rolleyes:


Sharks you're the man - Water!

I now include nails in my tool box along with extra brake fluid and starting fluid, and the list goes on and on and on. That starting fluid makes a good flame thrower if you need one for some reason!:lol:

[Edited on 2-3-2010 by ELINVESTIG8R]

Sharksbaja - 2-3-2010 at 03:46 PM

:lol:

I swear my truck sits 2 inches lower after I load my tools jacks and parts!:o :lol:




......actually, it already looks loaded when it's empty.;D

[Edited on 2-3-2010 by Sharksbaja]

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-3-2010 at 03:54 PM

I carry around one of those heavy, heavy three ton jacks. I think I am going to invest in a lighter Hi-Lift jack with all the accessories.

Vise Grips

Borregoman - 3-4-2010 at 11:08 AM

When I have encounted similiar problems of cutting a brake like while 4 wheeling, I have clamped the leaking line with a small pair of Vise Grips then zip tied them to the line or frame. Quick fix and no leak. I alwasy carry both for such emergencies.

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
David nice of you to share your experience. I really like that nail in the brakeline fitting technique. I probably could have done that 30 years ago when a big branch completely ripped out one rear line one time way back in the White Montains. I used a small pair of vicegrips to seal it.

I am so glad my current truckhas big rear disc brakes. No comparison to the old drum brakes. I was always repairing those bastards.

Good for you getting it handled so quickly!