BajaNomad - Rosarito Beach woes worsen as abduction, killing occur before big weekend

Rosarito Beach woes worsen as abduction, killing occur before big weekend

bajabound2005 - 4-16-2009 at 09:02 PM

LA TIMES
UPDATED AT 8 p.m.: With new information from the mayor's spokesman.

An abduction of a Mexican boy and killing of a security guard who apparently was trying to intervene occurred Wednesday night in Rosarito Beach, and the timing could not have been worse as the Baja California tourist town prepares to greet more than 3,000 visitors who will participate in Saturday's Rosarito to Ensenada Fun Bike Race.

As noted Thursday afternoon by "Tio Honcho," a regular Outposts reader, "A 16-year old boy who was practicing for the bike ride in his neighborhood in Rosarito was kidnapped by a squad of heavily-armed commandos. A police officer in a guard shack who tried to intervene was also kidnapped and his decapitated body was found this morning in the back of a car at K30 on the Scenic Road. The boy is the son of a prominent Rosarito restaurant owner. There is no known drug connections. This was a kidnapping-extortion."

Ron Raposa, speaking on behalf of Mayor Hugo Torres, confirmed the incident. He said the boy, the son of a local business owner, was abducted across the street from his home at 9:45 p.m. "by at least three hooded men armed with automatic weapons." A private security guard also was abducted. His headless body was found today in the same vehicle used during the kidnapping.

Raposa said via email: "Mayor Torres has requested additional federal police to assist in the investigation. The kidnapping appears to be an example of organized crime/drug cartels targeting Mexican businessmen and family members for ransom as an additional revenue source. Some cartel members have turned to this as the Mexican government's crackdown on drugs becomes more and more effective."

It has not been determined whether the abducted boy was in fact practicing for the bike ride, which has a 30-year history with no major instances of crime, promoter Gary Foster said.

-- Pete Thomas

Woooosh - 4-17-2009 at 12:05 AM

A little too close for comfort. I thought this crime wave went through here already with the narcos and drugs- now it's come to narcos and kidnappings.

I suppose we expected them to still get their money. The big gangs are being broken down into smaller ones and drug trafficing is getting harder.

If they beheaded the security guard already- what do they want for this poor kid and from his innocent family? What of the security guards kids and family? A totally unacceptable social environment in which to live out our retirement in Mexico.

They just enacted a leash law for all Rosarito Beaches- with no off leash areas. Another thing to keep Americans from visiting Rosartio and keep driving south. Don't they know how many people bring their dogs to baja? And with this developing incident- who would come visit without a big dog?

[Edited on 4-17-2009 by Woooosh]

woody with a view - 4-17-2009 at 06:49 AM

in 6 days we will be bypassing rosarito (we always bypass rosarito!!!!) heading for points south to stock up and sample the local cuisine before heading down the road with no name.....

CaboRon - 4-17-2009 at 07:04 AM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
in 6 days we will be bypassing rosarito (we always bypass rosarito!!!!) heading for points south to stock up and sample the local cuisine before heading down the road with no name.....

On May 2nd, I will be flying high over Rosarito to San Diego ...

Thank god I don't have to make that drive again :rolleyes:

In the early sixties I often visited Rosarito Beach, don't remember it being much more than the Rosarito Beach hotel ...

Loved to stop there for lunch while I was making collections for the radio station I managed in La Jolla ..... KFMX ....

Those days are long gone, now it is just a pile of something :no:

I prefer to remember it from the old days ..... will probably never go again ..... I know that will make DirtyBird happy :lol:

CaboRon

Gadget - 4-17-2009 at 07:40 AM

Many days of near empty surf at the reefs to the south and beach breaks to the north were good times,
drunken and drug induced stupors
fist fights
bailing buddies out of jail
trolling for the latest female conquest
through the 70s
fortunate to be alive
stupid days, glad they and Rosarito are far in my past

surf is uncrouded again though

Woooosh - 4-17-2009 at 08:00 AM

It is sad that many of the things us "old timers" fell in love with Baja decades ago are gone. All the variety of great memories we have- we will keep close to our hearts. It is such a shame, but then again- no place on earth is the sleepy, peaceful place it was decades ago.

I do take offense that the news of this event, as well as facts about last months unsolved tourist murder in TJ Playas (and the missing that meat truck) remain elusive. It is hard to know what to do when the news doesn't come fast, complete, or even at all. That is the hardest part of living here in tough times- we have to find out from the LA Times what is happening.

fdt - 4-17-2009 at 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

On May 2nd, I will be flying high over Rosarito to San Diego ...

Thank god I don't have to make that drive again :rolleyes:

You promised May 1st. Why the extra day? Unacceptable :spingrin:

Woooosh - 4-17-2009 at 08:34 AM

(This news release adds that another cop- the deputy Police Commander was killed April 4th. I never heard about that one. 10 Rosartio Beach/TJ officers killed so far this year. Note: No mention of the abduction of the 16 year old boy is mentioned in this version. Many more versions to come I am sure- but not until after spring break is over- if at all.)

Rosarito police officer's beheaded body found
2:00 a.m. April 17, 2009

A Rosarito Beach police officer was found dead yesterday, a day after he was kidnapped, authorities said.

The Baja California Attorney General's Office identified the victim as Juan Eduardo Huerta Carrera, 49. His decapitated body was discovered inside a 2009 Dodge Durango with California plates found parked on the side of a highway.

Huerta had been reported kidnapped Wednesday from the entrance of an exclusive neighborhood. A police department spokesman said Huerta had been on the force less than a year and was an auxiliary officer.

Despite a significant drop in drug-related killings this year compared with 2008 in the Tijuana region, attacks against officers of the various police agencies have intensified in the last month.

Authorities reported the shooting death of Rosarito Beach's deputy police commander, Tomás Cárdenas, on April 4. Three days later, a group of federal police agents survived an ambush in Tecate.

A Tijuana police officer was shot to death and another gravely wounded in an attack April 11. So far this year, 10 officers from Tijuana and Rosarito have been killed.

CaboRon - 4-17-2009 at 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by fdt

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Originally posted by CaboRon

On May 2nd, I will be flying high over Rosarito to San Diego ...

Thank god I don't have to make that drive again :rolleyes:

You promised May 1st. Why the extra day? Unacceptable :spingrin:

Sorry dude,

I will be staying at the Hotel California on Friday night in order to celebrate my days in Todos Santos :tumble:

.....

Don't worry ... I won't be in your miserable crime infested pit again either :lol:

.....

CaboRon

fdt - 4-17-2009 at 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
I will be staying at the Hotel California on Friday night in order to celebrate my days in Todos Santos :tumble:

.....

Don't worry ... I won't be in your miserable crime infested pit again either :lol:

.....

CaboRon

relax, said the night man,
We are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like,
But you can never leave!

:lol:

The Gull - 4-18-2009 at 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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Originally posted by fdt

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Originally posted by CaboRon

On May 2nd, I will be flying high over Rosarito to San Diego ...

Thank god I don't have to make that drive again :rolleyes:

You promised May 1st. Why the extra day? Unacceptable :spingrin:

Sorry dude,

I will be staying at the Hotel California on Friday night in order to celebrate my days in Todos Santos :tumble:

.....

Don't worry ... I won't be in your miserable crime infested pit again either :lol:

.....

CaboRon

Fact is that the party was scheduled by the town to celebrate - "he's finally gone" - is the name of the party. Now it is re-scheduled for 3 May. It is a sellout. It will be bigger than the Todo Santos dog & cat concert.

fdt - 4-18-2009 at 07:25 AM

Will they need to wash their hands to attend the party?

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Originally posted by CaboRon
Perhaps if Mexicans were familier with the basic hygine routine of WASHING their hands

CaboRon - 4-18-2009 at 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by fdt
Will they need to wash their hands to attend the party?

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Originally posted by CaboRon
Perhaps if Mexicans were familier with the basic hygine routine of WASHING their hands

You Bet .

In fact fdt, your even asking the question says a lot about your culture :lol:

Woooosh - 4-18-2009 at 08:30 AM

Boy being held for 5 Million Pesos

There's been no official news updates, but the town is talking...

This incident occured in central Rosarito in a gated street across from the Rosarito Beach McDonalds. The street has an Oxxo on one corner and Tacos el Zurdo on the other- with a casita guard house and traffic gate.

The Police Officer killed worked as the security guard as his second job. My neighbor works as a secuirty guard for the Surgical Center on the same block. A 2009 Tacoma and a white Jeep Cherokee pulled up to the gate and held the security guard. He was still able to call my friend on his Nextel for help though. My friend called the police and ran down the block towards the Oxxo to help his friend. He knew immediately what was going on and there was nothing he could do to stop it. The boy and Policeman were already inside the vehicles.

The boy and man were taken to a safe house where the cop was tortured and killed. THe street says he was punished for trying to help the boy- instead of passively standing by or running away. If true- he is a hero.

The men were wearing normal clothes and carried AK-47 like guns so he turned and ran the other way. They found the body of the policeman/guard in the 2009 Tacoma parked in the McDonalds parking lot. The next day he was found naked and wrapped in a blanket- his head was in a plastic bag in the back seat.

The ranson for the boy is 5 Million pesos- which is strange. Narcos usually deal in dollars. My guess and the word on the street says its a local drug dealing splinter cell trying to make a name for itself and get attention. With the big gangs being broken up into smaller gangs- this may be the new normal for Rosarito Beach security.

When I get more details I will post them. I'll talk to my friend and see what other details I can fill in.

[Edited on 4-19-2009 by Woooosh]

Bike race a bust

Dave - 4-18-2009 at 10:43 AM

Just returned from the free road near Puerto Nuevo. At 10:30 there are normally several dozen bikes passing by every minute. I counted 16 in 5 minutes. This could be the last hurrah.

Hurrah! :biggrin:

CaboRon - 4-18-2009 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
Just returned from the free road near Puerto Nuevo. At 10:30 there are normally several dozen bikes passing by every minute. I counted 16 in 5 minutes. This could be the last hurrah.

Hurrah! :biggrin:

desertcpl - 4-18-2009 at 04:34 PM

Ron

well God speed to you, so are you still moving to LV

Bajahowodd - 4-18-2009 at 04:58 PM

True enough, Ron. You took alot of grief here recently. I give you props for trying it. It turned out to something else. A lesson others may learn from.

Woooosh - 5-4-2009 at 11:10 AM

Anyone have a update on what happenned to this Kidnapped boy that the cop was beheaded over?

I also saw in the paper over the last weekend that the father of a LA Angels pitcher was kidnapped in TJ. The family negotiated his ransom and release and won't talk about it.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/may/01/bn01roble...

[Edited on 5-4-2009 by Woooosh]

[Edited on 5-5-2009 by Woooosh]

And it's all your fault

Dave - 5-4-2009 at 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Anyone have a update on what happenned to this Kidnapped boy that the cop was beheaded over?

I also saw in the paper over the last weekend that the father of a LA Angels pitcher was kidnapped in TJ. The family negotiated his ransom and release and won't talk about it.

[Edited on 5-4-2009 by Woooosh]

Why would you bring that up? We'd almost forgotten. Now no one will ever come back to Rosarito.

Damn. :rolleyes:

Woooosh - 5-4-2009 at 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Why would you bring that up? We'd almost forgotten. Now no one will ever come back to Rosarito.

Damn. :rolleyes:

I know you are being facetious, but it could be your kid or a neighbor next. People shouldn't forget that narco violence and terrorism against innocent families and children is on the rise here. It will continue until the narcos find another way to make up their lost income from drug route losses.

Can you imagine this boys suffering every day since watching the hero cop who tried to save him being beheaded that night in front of him? I'll bet the phone call the narcos made to his parents during that event wasn't pleasant either. I just can't let this one go I guess. At best the kid and family are broke and screwed up for life.

[Edited on 5-4-2009 by Woooosh]

arrowhead - 5-12-2009 at 10:33 AM

The kidnapped 16-year old boy was released today, apparently after the family paid a ransom.

DENNIS - 5-12-2009 at 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
The kidnapped 16-year old boy was released today, apparently after the family paid a ransom.

Good news for the boy and his family. Bad news for the industry. Mexico has to start using the death penalty.

BajaGringo - 5-12-2009 at 11:04 AM

Agreed Dennis. And most Mexicans I talk to agree too.

But it appears that Mexico is not that different from the US in that regard...

The politicians and the courts will do what they ultimately decide they damn well please...

:rolleyes:

DENNIS - 5-12-2009 at 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo

The politicians and the courts will do what they ultimately decide they damn well please...

Maybe that's where the death penalty should be introduced.

[Edited on 5-12-2009 by DENNIS]

BajaGringo - 5-12-2009 at 12:47 PM

:lol:

rpleger - 5-12-2009 at 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
The kidnapped 16-year old boy was released today, apparently after the family paid a ransom.

It's good that they got the kid back even if the family had to pay.

Bajahowodd - 5-12-2009 at 02:36 PM

Perhaps in individual circumstances, one might say the death penalty is a deterrent. However, worldwide, statistics show that it is not a deterrent. In fact, most of the industrialized world does not have the death penalty, figuring it is a much harsher punishment for a criminal to have to spend the rest of his life in jail afraid to drop the soap in the shower.

DENNIS - 5-12-2009 at 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Perhaps in individual circumstances, one might say the death penalty is a deterrent. However, worldwide, statistics show that it is not a deterrent. In fact, most of the industrialized world does not have the death penalty, figuring it is a much harsher punishment for a criminal to have to spend the rest of his life in jail afraid to drop the soap in the shower.

I have difficulty agreeing with much of this. "Most of the industrialized world" has a monumental crime problem and sending criminals to prison is like sending a baseball player to a ball park. They're in their element and have no problem with the life among their peers.
Anyway, who cares that it's not a dynamic deterent. It's like cleaning the ring around a bathtub. It will definitly come back so, you clean it again. And you keep cleaning it forever. The thing is, you never clean the same ring twice.

meme - 5-12-2009 at 03:17 PM

I just today returned from an overnite trip to Ensenada, & Rosarita.
It is very sad the state of the economy there. These people have almost no business to speak of. Everthing over there is very very quiet. Almost no people at all on streets, shops. resturants, hotels etc.
There were only 5 cars in parking lot at El Rey Sol hotel all nite. The resturant was closed. Most any place that WAS open had like two -four people in them Had breakfast yesterday at La Fonda & only two people in the whole place. Visted with severtal shop keepers & they have no good business. There have been 42 businesss closed in the wake of Swine Flu &
bad news in the media. It's going to be a long long summer for people in Baja. Hopefully things will get better for them?

Bajahowodd - 5-12-2009 at 03:42 PM

Last time I was in Ensenada, I stayed elsewhere, but have stayed many times at El Rey Sol. We went to the restaurant, and thus checked out the lot and it was full. They have always had a mix of clientele, with perhaps have of their guests, Mexican. So, I'm guessing that the flu thing put a damper on their Mexican clientele. That being said, I'm unclear as to whether you were referring to the restaurant in the hotel, or the Rey Sol on the main street. The restaurant in the hotel has always been a little sketchy as far as operating hours and whether they were just a cantina or a restaurant.

Assuming the the cruise lines will return in about a month, it will certainly help the merchants. But the hotels and dinner restaurants need land-based tourism. Gotta wonder about the freshness of the food in restaurants with only a few customers.

BajaGringo - 5-12-2009 at 06:00 PM

When I was working in the orient I used to fly in and out of Singapore quite often. I still remember the very large sign hanging in the hallway between where you picked up your luggage and customs. It simply stated:

"Carrying Drugs in Any Amount is Considered Drug Trafficking.
Drug Trafficking is Punishable by Hanging."

Under the sign was a big disposal container with a little trap door on top. I would watch as folks would stand there and stare at the sign for the longest time before reaching into their purse, shaving kit or what have you and dump small "baggies" into the disposal container before proceeding to customs. I will never forget one young couple who argued a bit first and then just dumped their entire ghetto blaster in. I always wondered what was inside?

So I guess the death penalty does work as a deterrent sometimes...

:rolleyes:

Gaucho - 5-12-2009 at 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
When I was working in the orient I used to fly in and out of Singapore quite often. I still remember the very large sign hanging in the hallway between where you picked up your luggage and customs. It simply stated:

"Carrying Drugs in Any Amount is Considered Drug Trafficking.
Drug Trafficking is Punishable by Hanging."

Under the sign was a big disposal container with a little trap door on top. I would watch as folks would stand there and stare at the sign for the longest time before reaching into their purse, shaving kit or what have you and dump small "baggies" into the disposal container before proceeding to customs. I will never forget one young couple who argued a bit first and then just dumped their entire ghetto blaster in. I always wondered what was inside?

So I guess the death penalty does work as a deterrent sometimes...

:rolleyes:

Years ago I travelled overland from Thailand into Malaysia and saw a similar sign. It was unbelievable to actually see it in print. VERY affective.

A deterrent for what?

Dave - 5-12-2009 at 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Perhaps in individual circumstances, one might say the death penalty is a deterrent. However, worldwide, statistics show that it is not a deterrent.

Most all criminal penalties aren't deterrents. Mainly because of the 'theory of porportionality'. If littering and spitting on the sidewalk were punishable by death the streets would be spotless.

Bajahowodd - 5-12-2009 at 10:40 PM

So, you're saying it's more about feeling good?

No

Dave - 5-12-2009 at 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So, you're saying it's more about feeling good?

I'm saying a deterrent isn't a deterrent if it doesn't deter.

I'm saying that porportionality isn't deterrence. It's punishment.

meme - 5-13-2009 at 07:11 AM

I was referring to El Rey Sol resturant on the street. The one in the hotel has not been open in quite sometime the owner told us. Just not enough people going to it to justify keeping it open. He also told us how bad business has been even before the Swine Flu alerts, the media is killing them with the drug violence reporting.Also much of the construction projects are very quiet & you see almost no one working on many of them.
We were two women traveling & shopping alone(from San Felipe) and found nothing to be afraid of.
We wondred how ANY of them can survive if things do not get better soon?

DENNIS - 5-13-2009 at 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by meme
We wondred how ANY of them can survive if things do not get better soon?

Well, they probably can't. Most of the shops on Lopez Mateos are rented and the rent goes on. One by one, they will close their doors forever and soon, tumbleweed will be blowing down the street. Maybe the government will put together a "bail out plan." Then again, maybe not.

CaboRon - 5-13-2009 at 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by meme
We wondred how ANY of them can survive if things do not get better soon?

What government ????????????

There is only self interest .....

If you are an American you are a target for deceit and rip-off ...

Warn your fellow Americans to stay away ...

OR stick your head back in the sand :lol:

CaboRon - 5-13-2009 at 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Agreed Dennis. And most Mexicans I talk to agree too.

But it appears that Mexico is not that different from the US in that regard...

The politicians and the courts will do what they ultimately decide they damn well please...

:rolleyes:

What a bunch of bull :lol:

Martyman - 5-13-2009 at 02:57 PM

I used to skip over all cabo ron's Dibble but now i love it!!! he is so peed off! Mexico is not for everybody.

DENNIS - 5-13-2009 at 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Martyman
I used to skip over all cabo ron's Dibble but now i love it!!! he is so peed off! Mexico is not for everybody.

You do have a good point. After all these years, I think I'm falling into that catagory.

Bajahowodd - 5-13-2009 at 04:37 PM

How long have you been there, Dennis?

And yes. The recession is one thing. The drug violence is another. But doing the flu thing, is really just jumping on. I worry that arising from economic desperatation, the crime rate will soar. It truly saddens me, because I had so many great times there.

As for CaboRon- We've had a number of communications over time. I felt that you were, basically, a good guy. That being said, you need to get over your Baja experience, or go back. Being on this board, posting from Las Vegas, should not be the opportunity for you to vent your spleen at all times. I have to believe that beyond you initial hopes for a better life down South, you actually did have some good times.

CaboRon - 5-14-2009 at 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
How long have you been there, Dennis?

And yes. The recession is one thing. The drug violence is another. But doing the flu thing, is really just jumping on. I worry that arising from economic desperatation, the crime rate will soar. It truly saddens me, because I had so many great times there.

As for CaboRon- We've had a number of communications over time. I felt that you were, basically, a good guy. That being said, you need to get over your Baja experience, or go back. Being on this board, posting from Las Vegas, should not be the opportunity for you to vent your spleen at all times. I have to believe that beyond you initial hopes for a better life down South, you actually did have some good times.

I would be willing to bet that over ninety percent of those posting on this board do not live in mexico full time and don't really have a clue as to how things really work in mexico.

And yes, I had many good experiences in mexico, however they were overrun by the corrupt police and the lazy workers that . even though they seem to be breaking their backs, leave you with even more repairs when they are done because they have no certification .

My mainland friends claim that the baja mexicans are not worthy to receive one cent for their labors, and I agree.

And what the hell is the tip jar for ?? I think it is like "Galaxy Quest" in it's innocence and expecting something for almost nothing :lol:

Have just signed a two year lease on a luxery condo in Las Vegas that is cheaper and nicer than that concrete block shiss hole that I rented in Todos Santos.

BTW: the week before I left , I counted over three hundred for sale signs in Todos Santos ..... only because people think their places are worth twice as much as any sane person would pay. Remember, it is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay. All that increased value is ONLY on paper .... not worth a red cent :lol:

I believe it is important for us to warn unsuspecting Americans about the lies, deceit, and pitfalls of owning or buying in la baja .... there is far too much warm and fuzzy BS about living there, it is definately not for everyone .....

I will always treasure my life experiences whether they were rewarding or disasterous :bounce:

CaboRon

Bajahowodd - 5-14-2009 at 10:23 AM

300 For Sale signs? Is everything on sale? :biggrin:

Seriously, are you saying that so many folks are looking to profit by selling? Or are there many, who like yourself, found it not to be what you thought (hoped) it was?

I let a deal go by in Todos back in 1989. Things were cheap then. Over time, I became amazed at how prices had been driven up in the area.

Right now, especially in the second home amrket, I can't see how prices can sustain. So, if most are discretionary sellers, I think they just better get used to the idea that they aren't going to be selling their property any time soon.

CaboRon - 5-14-2009 at 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
300 For Sale signs? Is everything on sale? :biggrin:

It appears that at least half of the for sale signs are on spec homes .... I sincerely wish that those who speculate on the home market eat their shorts.

And as for the 10% grab on sales ... will I wish most realtors the very worst of it :lol:

CaboRon

[Edited on 5-14-2009 by CaboRon]

Bajahowodd - 5-14-2009 at 10:45 AM

Any idea when one might actually get a good deal on a spec home?

DENNIS - 5-14-2009 at 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
How long have you been there, Dennis?

Started here part time in '75. Full time, probably 20 years...maybe more. Can't remember everything.
I just feel it's time for a change. Everything's so different now. Me....Baja....the whole freakin world. Some day, I'll just pack up my memories and leave.

The Gull - 5-14-2009 at 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
How long have you been there, Dennis?

...and move in with CrapoRon or Cabron, whichever is easier.

DENNIS - 5-14-2009 at 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by The Gull
...and move in with CrapoRon or Cabron, whichever is easier.

You can't upset me anymore, Gull. Either it no longer matters or you arn't trying hard enough. :tumble:

CaboRon - 5-14-2009 at 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by The Gull
...and move in with CrapoRon or Cabron, whichever is easier.

You can't upset me anymore, Gull. Either it no longer matters or you arn't trying hard enough. :tumble:

yes, I think Dirtybird has lost her edge :lol:

Bajahowodd - 5-14-2009 at 02:34 PM

Dennis- even 20 years ago, you were practically in the middle of nowhere; not to mention 1975. I guess you're not into tract housing and big box stores??

DENNIS - 5-14-2009 at 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Dennis- even 20 years ago, you were practically in the middle of nowhere; not to mention 1975. I guess you're not into tract housing and big box stores??

Not really in the wilderness at that time. In fact, in Playas Ensenada, my neighbors all had newer cars and American Express cards. What they didn't have was mortgage payments. As today, when most Mexicans buy a house, they buy it without the help of banks.

I love Costco and Home Dpo....How can you say that?

woody with a view - 5-14-2009 at 06:57 PM

baja sucks! everyone take note.......

i hope i never eat those words!