BajaNomad - Three tourists from San Diego robbed at gunpoint in Rosarito

Three tourists from San Diego robbed at gunpoint in Rosarito

arrowhead - 5-7-2009 at 09:52 PM

http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=8345

This happened today, Three tourists from San Diego were at a curios shop in front of Foxploitation when they were assaulted by armed men who fired in the air and ground and pointed a handgun at them. They were relieved of their Ford F-150 pickup which was last seen headed north on Boulevard 2000.

BornFisher - 5-7-2009 at 10:08 PM

That`s pretty scary caca there. Sometimes you wonder if you will be next.
Bummer for those folks, hope they are O.K..

Von - 5-7-2009 at 10:17 PM

Isnt there a ,mexican Army check point there? If any rounds were fired im

sure theyed run there right away.....I saw them the other day theres always

a Hummer with a 50 CALI pointed at all us civilians :lol:

Bajahowodd - 5-7-2009 at 10:42 PM

Yep. Just South of Blvd. 2000. Just wonder if there was more to it. Tourists? Very unusual that "tourists" at a curio shop would be assaulted by armed gunmen on a main highway.

fishbuck - 5-7-2009 at 11:03 PM

I think it was because they were driving a Ford F-150. That's the best truck in the whole world. :cool:

JESSE - 5-8-2009 at 12:24 AM

I wouldnt even go to Rosarito myself, what the hell where they thinking.

fishbuck - 5-8-2009 at 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
I wouldnt even go to Rosarito myself, what the hell where they thinking.

They were thinking how they needed a pick-up truck full of precious Mexican curios to take home and decorate their house. Probably some Fox themed ones as well.
Weren't you ever a tourist from the USA JESSE?
I use to have one of those colorful blankets on the wall of my dorm room for a long time. I think I got it in Raynosa.

DENNIS - 5-8-2009 at 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Tourists? Very unusual that "tourists" at a curio shop would be assaulted by armed gunmen on a main highway.

It's unusual that there were three tourists in Rosarito.

CaboRon - 5-8-2009 at 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Tourists? Very unusual that "tourists" at a curio shop would be assaulted by armed gunmen on a main highway.

It's unusual that there were three tourists in Rosarito.

BajaSerg - 5-8-2009 at 07:06 AM

I better camouflage my F-150 :lol:

Woooosh - 5-8-2009 at 09:56 AM

The F-150 parked at the entrance to the preferred bad-boy traffic route and body dumping area (Blvd 2000) was just too much temptation I guess. It must have been black with tinted windows.

That set of shops across from Fox has a pretty cool tiki carving business actually- so it's not just blankets and s like the crap at the border.

The US media has been waiting for this one crime. Until this case (if confirmed) no American tourists had been specifically targeted (that could be excluded from having family in Mexico or possible drug ties).

IMHO the climate is ripe for crimes of opportunity like this. I see it in my barrio- everyone on edge and the small criminals getting more brave and raising their ugly heads now that the big guys who kept them down are running for cover.

But this was Calderons grand plan- to knock the big gangs down into smaller neighborhood units the local police could handle. Only problem is no one has told them how to handle them. The unsolved decapitation of the hero Rosarito Beach policeman last month during the boys kidnapping is enough reason for police to look and then run the other way.

I've been told by locals that the Tourist Police cars are filled with policeman who have the most "points" for the month. It's safe duty and they all want to be in those cars. I still haven't found a tourist policeman who speaks english. I did pay one 100 pesos to let my worker out of the back of his car because he had no ID with him. IMHO they cops who get the tourist cars just drive around and shake down the locals. It''s the Mexican way I guess.

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[Edited on 5-8-2009 by Woooosh]

Bajahowodd - 5-8-2009 at 10:29 AM

Woooosh- You mentioned something that has been nagging at me since the gang crime spree really took off. Seems that Blvd 2000 has become a favorite of the nomads to and from the border. Yet, that part of town is the most dangerous.

Woooosh - 5-8-2009 at 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Woooosh- You mentioned something that has been nagging at me since the gang crime spree really took off. Seems that Blvd 2000 has become a favorite of the nomads to and from the border. Yet, that part of town is the most dangerous.

Yup. what's your question? DON'T DRIVE BLVD 2000 AT NIGHT OR STOP FOR ANYONE!

BajaGeoff - 5-8-2009 at 10:59 AM

What time of day did this happen?

Woooosh - 5-8-2009 at 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Finally, it is unforgivable that federal forces do not have a larger and more sophisticated force of vigilantes, it would be quite simple to implement a plan of both the military and undercover federal agents to arrive and put this to bed. So it appears this is intentional to let this continue for so long, why? Who knows but it can easily stopped and its not so it must be accepted that somehow there is a plan to allow a theater of fear there. Its not happening by accident.

I honestly believe this is Calderons strategy and plan. Break the big narco gangs down into smaller ones that are manageable by local police. He just need to find local police who can handle them. The beheading factor to any police who obstruct the loacl gang business is a new twist that derailed his plan IMHO.

Bajajack - 5-8-2009 at 11:29 AM

Let's look at this in depth and analyze the situation, if half of the Narco's are really the Police in disguise and half of the Police are really Narco's in disguise which side do you start with first?

No one can tell the good guys from the bad guys on either side and Loyalties change from day to day.

:rolleyes:

Cypress - 5-8-2009 at 11:32 AM

Expect it was just a dumb and dumber deal. The cartel gang can buy and sell a parking lot full of Ford F-150 pickups any day of the week. But, dumb and dumber will shoot you over pocket change.

Woooosh - 5-8-2009 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Expect it was just a dumb and dumber deal. The cartel gang can buy and sell a parking lot full of Ford F-150 pickups any day of the week. But, dumb and dumber will shoot you over pocket change.

and dumb and dumber are everywhere. more accurate would be desperate for cash and more desperate for cash. It's only going to get worse as more local thugs are emboldened.

YOU...ARE...CERTIFIABLE

Dave - 5-8-2009 at 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Calderon lets them pull this off, why? There is but one conclusion, they are attempting to reduce transit of tourism and movement of gringos, just as the false epidemic was designed to achieve. Time to accept what is before our eyes, this is methodical intimidation of tourism which is designed to hurt the economy and reduce gringos fleeing the USA. All the while no gringos have been injured just frightened.

These policies do not happen by accident. It is far too obvious and intentional.

No

Dave - 5-8-2009 at 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Are you an agent of the intimidation policy?

I'm agent 99 from the Venusian Intelligence Agency. I have a message from the Director:

"Phone home."

Cypress - 5-8-2009 at 03:05 PM

gnukid,

Where does the blame belong?

fishbuck - 5-8-2009 at 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by BajaSerg
I better camouflage my F-150 :lol:

Ya, just make it look like a Toyota. Then it will be safe! :cool:

Aren't you glad you asked?

Dave - 5-8-2009 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
gnukid,

Where does the blame belong?

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originally posted by gunkid
Cypress, this again is the scapegoat method, instead of asking yourself who is to blame, or pursuing the logic of what isn't likely to blame to reduce to possible explanations, community members turn on each other. In this case this is the passive aggressive approach that is to suggest that I must be the one with the answer of who is to blame. Instead of asking me or anyone else, ask yourself.

Woooosh - 5-8-2009 at 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid.

In this case its the unsolvable terror, we must protect ourselves, we need more police and military, where as the opposite type of investment has more logic. Less military, less police, less jails and more community investment in education, economy and social services will have the most beneficial impact on reducing crime and increasing opportunity to create a positive State.

For this to work, the people of Mexico must develop a collective "sence of decency" as Obama would say. Mexicans are used to fending for themselves and scratching out an existence from birth to death. They gave up on their police, military and gov't a long time ago. Mexico would have to become a completely socialist state. JMHO.

bajabound2005 - 5-8-2009 at 05:46 PM

So far, this "blog", is the only news source reporting this incident. Seems the Union Trib would have been all over it.

Woooosh - 5-8-2009 at 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
So far, this "blog", is the only news source reporting this incident. Seems the Union Trib would have been all over it.

Maybe the victims will speak up stateside once their xanax wears off. The UT will cover it once Mexico releases it. This is the first time an American tourist group was specifically targeted in Rosarit Beach- so, if true- it won't go unreported. No one is forthcoming with info down here- there is no upside for them.

CaboRon - 5-8-2009 at 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
So far, this "blog", is the only news source reporting this incident. Seems the Union Trib would have been all over it.

If this is true , it is huge , and might just be the final nail in the coffin for Rosarito Beach

Woooosh - 5-8-2009 at 07:13 PM

This guy, el Teo- started taking over TJ and Rosarito from the AFO just last fall. He managed to corrupt and ruin 27 lives and families in six short months. How much money does it take up front to buy at least 25 cops right away? Hard to corrupt the willing though...

May 8th, 2009 Mexican authorities arrest 25 police, 2 civilians in Tijuana
Posted: 09:45 PM ET

(CNN) — Federal authorities have arrested 25 police officers and two civilians in Tijuana, Mexico over alleged ties to organized crime and drug trafficking, the attorney general’s office said Friday.

All but one of the accused were transferred to a federal rehabilitation center in the western Mexican city of Rincon, the office said in a written said.

One suspect, Carrillo Osorio, faces illegal firearms charges, it added.

Federal authorities said the accused — all of them men — are linked to drug lord Teodoro Garcia Simental, also known as “El Teo,” a trafficker with operations in northern Mexico.

JESSE - 5-8-2009 at 07:55 PM

Apparently they where not tourists, stay tuned.

bajabound2005 - 5-8-2009 at 08:19 PM

I'm with you, Jesse. They may have been "tourists", but what were they "touring" for?

No Way!

Dave - 5-8-2009 at 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Apparently they where not tourists, stay tuned.

But.... Then it wouldn't a plot by President Calderon to sabotage tourism and discourage gringos from moving to Mexico.

Impossible!

Right, gnukid? :rolleyes:

CaboRon - 5-9-2009 at 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
I'm with you, Jesse. They may have been "tourists", but what were they "touring" for?

Why do we tend to blame the victim before the facts are in :?:

bajamigo - 5-9-2009 at 08:04 AM

Seems like an obvious question to me.

CaboRon - 5-9-2009 at 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by bajamigo
Seems like an obvious question to me.

Can you 'splain it to me ?

Is it just human nature :?:

news media last rites

mtgoat666 - 5-9-2009 at 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
So far, this "blog", is the only news source reporting this incident. Seems the Union Trib would have been all over it.

This week the UT layed off 190 people, including staff in the newsroom. Between this layoff and previous departures/cuts, I wonder if they do much reporting anymore. The news media in San Diego is now mostly dead except for a couple kids doing real reporting over at Voice of San Diego -- now we are pretty much reliant on getting our news from anonymous posters on the internnet, most of whom are prone to repeating misinformation as fact

Woooosh - 5-9-2009 at 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
So far, this "blog", is the only news source reporting this incident. Seems the Union Trib would have been all over it.

I pay for the UT on-line version. How long can they charge (or will I pay) with no original content?

I though losing the Gringo Gazette was bad for Rosarito area expats- now we have no news except propaganda?

mtgoat666 - 5-9-2009 at 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I pay for the UT on-line version. How long can they charge (or will I pay) with no original content?

I read the UT online for free. Why do you pay for online version? That's crazy.

BTW, for coverage of local politics, forget about the UT and go to Voice of San Diego.

Udo - 5-9-2009 at 01:09 PM

We still have our NOMAD[\i membership for reliable Baja news

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I thought losing the Gringo Gazette was bad for Rosarito area expats- now we have no news except propaganda?

Bajahowodd - 5-9-2009 at 01:17 PM

You've hit on a major problem that must be solved soon, or there will be major consequenses. The LA Times has been carrying more and more Associated Press articles and freelance stuff. The loss of vigilant local coverage by dedicated professional journalists is going to ultimately create a field day for local political corruption.

Problem is that on-line versions of the papers don't create enough revenue, and basically, on a generational basis, younger folk just don't consider newspapers as a source. When the day comes that everyone in the universe is blogging, who is to decide who is telling the truth?

Bronco - 5-10-2009 at 07:09 PM

This is the Google Translation. It is not a Blog but a FTN notice?

ROSARITO, BC, May 7, 2009 (AFN) .- Three tourists from the city of San Diego, California, were attacked by an armed group the afternoon of Thursday, according to reports provided Noticias.Los facts Border Agency were on the boulevard Popotla to match Foxploration studies at the time the purchase in the "Curios".
Reportedly two people fell from a gray van, and threats to tourists with a revolver type pistol.
During the robbery the assailants discussed with both tourists and fired into the air and the ground, and it gunpoint to one of the visitors, witnesses reported the incident.
He then stated that individuals are robbed of the keys of an F-150 pickup truck, which led to escape the boulevard by 2000.
There was not injured, nor were they found the crooks.

DENNIS - 5-10-2009 at 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Bronco
nor were they found the crooks.

Ah, Mexico. Who else would have a word that translated to, "Crooks." Doncha just love it?

bajabound2005 - 5-10-2009 at 09:01 PM

"fell" from a van? curiouser and curiouser.

Yamero - 5-10-2009 at 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
"fell" from a van? curiouser and curiouser.

The part of the sentence in question, "... dos personas descendieron de una vagoneta color gris, ..." should be translated as "two persons got out of a gray van ..." - they did not fall from it.

Here's the article: http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=8345

The Gull - 5-11-2009 at 06:37 AM

Tourists from San Diego do not have to be Americans. That may explain the lack of reporting.

Cyanide41 - 5-11-2009 at 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
"fell" from a van? curiouser and curiouser.

Maybe they tripped and DID fall from the van. You weren't there man.

Woooosh - 5-11-2009 at 09:09 AM

Without any facts- and any incentive for Rosarito Beach to release any, we're at a standstill... again. Mexico could let us know what happened to these people: The 19 year old "meat truck" driver killed on the beach in TJ Playas with the truck and meat never found, the 15 year old boy kidnapped where the cop was beheaded, and this latest incident alledging an attempted strong-arm robbery.

The street says these crimes are all being done by the local emboldened wannabees- trying to fill the narco void and make a name for themselves. Established narcos don't steal SUV's- they have hundreds. This crime wave is different and more troubling.

[Edited on 5-11-2009 by Woooosh]

DENNIS - 5-11-2009 at 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
This crime wave is different and more troubling.

It's the same gang crap that has plagued certain parts of the States. A combination of poverty and lousy law enforcement. The only thing that keeps the gangs from taking over totally is the absence of the ACLU and an out-of-date Bill of Rights.

Woooosh - 5-11-2009 at 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
This crime wave is different and more troubling.

I would imagine the absence of both inMExico (ACLU and BOR) makes the situation in Mexico much more dangerous.

DENNIS - 5-11-2009 at 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

I would imagine the absence of both inMExico (ACLU and BOR) makes the situation in Mexico much more dangerous.

Well, I don't know how you figure that. The ACLU and the BOR protects everybody....to a fault in the case of gang bangers. Can you imagine Mexico without aggressive questioning because the law prohibits it? These techniques have their place in law enforcement. The ACLU and BOR disagree with that.

Woooosh - 5-11-2009 at 09:47 AM

I look at the current legal system in Mexico as ineffective, corrupt and floundering. The proposed Meican legal reforms for oral arguments in courtrooms will be a good first step- but it's gonna take a decade before Mexican lawyers and judges get the hang of it at least. In the meantime- corruption rules- and probably will after the reforms as well.

bajaguy - 5-11-2009 at 09:53 AM

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

Mexico needs to revise their gun ownership laws and enact a concealed carry law.....put the guns in the hands of the citizens and give them a way to fight back.

(I'm going to get the popcorn and Pacifico and see where this goes)

[Edited on 5-11-2009 by bajaguy]

Woooosh - 5-11-2009 at 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

Mexico needs to revise their gun ownership laws and enact a concealed carry law.....put the guns in the hands of the citizens and give them a way to fight back.

(I'm going to get the popcorn and Pacifico and see where this goes)

[Edited on 5-11-2009 by bajaguy]

I think the reality is Mexicans who want them have guns. I know all my neighbors do. They are careful about bullet size (nothing over a .25) and seem to know how many years in jail bullet sizes larger than that would bring. They weigh the risk of having a small gun at home against the risk or not having one at home if you needed it. Mexican are used to working around their system and taking care of themselves IMHO.

[Edited on 5-11-2009 by Woooosh]

BajaGringo - 5-11-2009 at 10:16 AM

I have been surprised in my years living here in fact how many do have guns here as Woooosh stated. It is sort of an unspoken reality down here. Many just don't talk about it because of the laws and you may be surprised to find out how many of your neighbors are packing.

Now if they actually know how to load and use those same guns is another question. I am not convinced yet...

DENNIS - 5-11-2009 at 01:16 PM

Mexicans, those who qualify, can have guns and I think they can be larger than .25 Cal.
At any rate, this no gun stuff goes back to the days when armed revolution was a constant worry of the regime. An oppressive government certainly doesn't want the oppressed to be armed. More easily subdued when their hands are empty.

Fred - 5-11-2009 at 02:40 PM

Dennis............."more easily subdued when their hands are empty". I like it.

DENNIS - 5-11-2009 at 02:56 PM

Why...Thank you, Fred. So nice of you to say that. :spingrin:

DENNIS - 5-11-2009 at 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Fred
Dennis............."more easily subdued when their hands are empty". I like it.

Come to think of it....That's why Mexicans are the most hand-shaking people I've ever been around. They want empty hands on the other side as well.

Bajahowodd - 5-11-2009 at 03:58 PM

I was looking into some numbers. The stats below are a decade old, but there's no reason to expect that there has been a fundamental change since then. Our friend Mexico, despite the so-called firearms ban manages to come in at third place.

Something that may actually impact the numbers: According to a 2005 study, there were 31,000 gun deaths in the United States. 55% of them were suicides.

Gun Deaths - United States Tops The List
The United States leads the world's richest nations in gun deaths -- murders, suicides, and accidental deaths due to guns - according to a study published April 17, 1998 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the International Journal of Epidemiology.

The U.S. was first at 14.24 gun deaths per 100,000 people. Two other countries in the Americas came next. Brazil was second with 12.95, followed by Mexico with 12.69.

Japan had the lowest rate, at 0.05 gun deaths per 100,000 (1 per 2 million people). The police in Japan actively raid homes of those suspected of having weapons.

The 36 countries in the study were the richest in the World Bank's 1994 World Development Report, having the highest GNP per capita income.

The United States accounted for 45 percent of the 88,649 gun deaths reported in the study, the first comprehensive international scrutiny of gun-related deaths.

The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:

U.S.A. 14.24
Brazil 12.95
Mexico 12.69
Estonia 12.26
Argentina 8.93
Northern Ireland 6.63
Finland 6.46
Switzerland 5.31
France 5.15
Canada 4.31
Norway 3.82
Austria 3.70
Portugal 3.20
Israel 2.91
Belgium 2.90
Australia 2.65
Slovenia 2.60
Italy 2.44
New Zealand 2.38
Denmark 2.09
Sweden 1.92
Kuwait 1.84
Greece 1.29
Germany 1.24
Hungary 1.11
Ireland 0.97
Spain 0.78
Netherlands 0.70
Scotland 0.54
England and Wales 0.41
Taiwan 0.37
Singapore 0.21
Mauritius 0.19
Hong Kong 0.14
South Korea 0.12
Japan 0.05