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Straight answer on Baja safety right now

vagabundo84 - 5-18-2009 at 09:47 AM

Nomads,
My buddies and I have been going annual trips to Baja for 6 years now, usually driving all the way to the tip and back. We've encountered the usual Baja problems, eg. la mordida, broken down in the desert, getting drugged at bars, petty theft, and it's always been fine. This year we are planning on crossing at Tecate, and heading to BOLA and Abreojos. With all the media attention though, we obviously are a little apprehensive. We always travel in groups, during the day, and dont even stop until we're south of Ensenada. What I am wondering is just a straight answer from people who are down there as to how safe/unsafe it really is. It seems like people are still crossing the border fine and taking trips down there, I just want some reassurance. Thanks for the help and I appreciate honest answers.

woody with a view - 5-18-2009 at 09:49 AM

two weekends ago we survived around colonet/ san q area. during the swine flu epidemic we were in the central desert and survived.

i'd go to yosemite if i was thinking clearly!!!:light:

dtbushpilot - 5-18-2009 at 09:57 AM

Please list the bars where you were drugged, I'd like to go there...:lol::lol::lol:....dt

fdt - 5-18-2009 at 10:06 AM

Straight answer: The same thing is going on as before, the difference is that there are many many more people and the means of comunication are very high speed.
In my younger days I would do all the things you say you did and quite probably a lot more. Now I am also aprehensive, age, kids, responsibility makes me not go out as before (not even if fishbuck is in town).
You want reassurance? Caca can happen any time but if you are alert, cautious and vigilant you have MY assurance that you will have a great time. You have to know in your mind that you will have a great time and that if something goes wrong you can always call me and I will take full responsibility, regardless.

fdt - 5-18-2009 at 10:08 AM

I just U2U'd you all my contact info.
Enjoy your trip.

We are not targets!

toneart - 5-18-2009 at 10:15 AM

You will pass through Tecate and all points south with no hint of violence. I do so twice annually and just returned last week from Mulege.

Of course, there is always a chance that you could be in the wrong place at the wrong time, but you are playing the odds, and the odds are in your favor against any problems regarding cartel violence.

Getting your information through the media is kind of like looking at bad weather from inside your warm house. It always looks worse from inside the window than it really is. Once you get outside, you say, "Aw, it ain't all that bad".

Just take sensible precautions like you say you always do. Enjoy your trip like you always do. Don't buy into the Culture of Fear. :o

Bajahowodd - 5-18-2009 at 10:23 AM

I've been doing the border to Cabo, and intermediate trips for years. Some trips were totally uneventful. There were a couple where the mordita became part of it. Some trips found awful traffic accidents; a few with adrenaline inducing close calls with oncoming traffic around tight curves. I'm headed down to Cabo soon. I anticipate a more or less uneventful journey. That being said, I will exercise an elevated level of caution and vigilance, only because this year, the economy is so bad. When times are tough, crime does rise. From every thing I've read, there's a higher presence of police and troops. That has to be reassuring.

bajasammy - 5-18-2009 at 10:32 AM

Just got back from Estero on a quick weekend trip with the family. Hearing all the alerts/warnings up north can make you apprehensive.

But once we arrive, everything seems the same as it's always been - with the same friendly, helpful people we've come to expect.

Enjoy your trip!

longlegsinlapaz - 5-18-2009 at 10:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fdt
Now I am also aprehensive, age, kids, responsibility makes me not go out as before (not even if fishbuck is in town).
fdt....did you mean "not even"....or did you really mean "especially if"?:lol::lol:

Woooosh - 5-18-2009 at 10:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
You will pass through Tecate and all points south with no hint of violence. I do so twice annually and just returned last week from Mulege.

Of course, there is always a chance that you could be in the wrong place at the wrong time, but you are playing the odds, and the odds are in your favor against any problems regarding cartel violence.

Getting your information through the media is kind of like looking at bad weather from inside your warm house. It always looks worse from inside the window than it really is. Once you get outside, you say, "Aw, it ain't all that bad".

Just take sensible precautions like you say you always do. Enjoy your trip like you always do. Don't buy into the Culture of Fear. :o


FDT is right. Limit the risks and enjoy your trip. I do take exception with the "We are not targets" headline. We have and will ALWAYS be targets to some extent down here when we are most vulnerable- the cast of bad guys and the police just take their turns so we keep coming back for more.

BajaGeoff - 5-18-2009 at 11:04 AM

I drove down last week and the week before, crossing at Tijuana and had no problems. Use common sense, drive during the day like you said and have a great trip.

As a matter of perspective, my sister lives in Baja and crosses the border every day for work. She has been doing this for 6 years now and has never had a problem.

wilderone - 5-18-2009 at 11:52 AM

"We've encountered the usual Baja problems, eg. la mordida, broken down in the desert, getting drugged at bars, petty theft, and it's always been fine."

This is the USUAL for you? Jeez - you're doing something wrong. And you think this is "fine"? Heed the advice about being a target - sounds like you've been targeted in the past, and times are getting a little more desperate.

Barry A. - 5-18-2009 at 12:03 PM

----been traveling in Baja since 1952, tho not so much lately. I have NEVER, repeat NEVER had any of the problems you spoke of, or are reported lately, either north or south of the Border.

Stay vigilant, don't do dumb things, don't forget to lock up things, hide valuable items or leave them at home, and have a great time.

"Target", or not, thugs watch out for folks acting dumb, and throwing caution to the wind, and showing off.

Having said all this, yes, it IS riskier now than before, but that is just my opinion.

Barry

woody with a view - 5-18-2009 at 12:08 PM

i think "risk" is all relative. when i was younger i did all kinds of risky stuff. now that i know better (and lived to talk about it) all this regular life stuff isn't that risky at all.


P-E-R-S-P-E-C-T-I-V-E:o

vagabundo84 - 5-18-2009 at 12:09 PM

Thanks for all of the quick replies! For the record we got members of our group drugged at Iggy's in Rosarito and Squid Roe in Cabo...but that was back in our heavy drinking days at the bar scene at night...now we're older and content to simply have some cold beers with close friends while in camp...Baja is such a special place to us as I know it is to everyone else on this board, and I would hate to skip out on it do the aforementioned "culture of fear". Thanks for all of the info, and feel free to keep it coming.

On another note, does anyone have any experience/info with taking a bus while in Baja...specifically from G.N. to Loreto? I know there are a few companies, just trying to find timetable and if anyone ever encountered any issues. Thanks again.

woody with a view - 5-18-2009 at 12:11 PM

no.

but when you return have some horrific story agreed upon to tell all of your other pals who stayed home, cowering in fear!:lol:

oxxo - 5-18-2009 at 12:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vagabundo84
For the record we got members of our group drugged at Iggy's in Rosarito and Squid Roe in Cabo


:lol::lol::lol: Thats like saying, "we went to Las Vegas and the casinos stole our money!"

I have been driving to Baja for over 40 years now and have never had any of the experiences you relate. We're just 2 dull and boring people.

The Diva of Soul

Mulegena - 5-18-2009 at 12:44 PM

... and no, this is not a hijack, thread car or otherwise

Pop some vintage R&B in your CD player and remember the sage advice from one of the most powerful women in the US, Miss Aretha Franklin: " R E S P E C T "

You know the rest, Mr. :cool:

Regards, and Happy Travels, Ms. :dudette:

Cypress - 5-18-2009 at 01:35 PM

If you stay out of bad places, bad things won't happen.:D

rpleger - 5-18-2009 at 01:57 PM

Taking the bus in Baja is generally uneventful..Their good modern buses with all the stuff on them...GN to Loreto would be a good ride, not to many stops..

Don´t worry and have a great time....wonderful people here.

Two Words

CaboRon - 5-18-2009 at 03:04 PM

Pack Heat !

Mulegena - 5-18-2009 at 03:15 PM

Seriously spoken, please do come down to Baja.

Do be aware of your surroundings.
Do pay in pesos.
Do exchange your money at the numerous banks rather than carry large amounts.
Do travel on the buses. They are clean and modern.
Do carry a light jacket while on the bus to keep warm.
Do behave courteously, modestly, respectfully at all times.
Do wear clean socks (sorry, couldn't resist this) ;)

fdt - 5-18-2009 at 03:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mulegena
Seriously spoken, please do come down to Baja.

Do be aware of your surroundings.
Do pay in pesos.
Do exchange your money at the numerous banks rather than carry large amounts.
Do travel on the buses. They are clean and modern.
Do carry a light jacket while on the bus to keep warm.
Do behave courteously, modestly, respectfully at all times.
Do wear clean socks (sorry, couldn't resist this) ;)

Do at least try to speak the language
Do make new and lasting friends
Do eat as many types of tacos as you can find
Do disregard negative comments or advise
Do change your underwear frequently.

woody with a view - 5-18-2009 at 03:25 PM

socks optional, whilst wearing flip flops!

David K - 5-18-2009 at 03:30 PM

I don't see using pesos as being a big issue in Baja... specially when I see locals buying items in markets using dollars... Sure, use pesos and your purchase price will be what the marked amount is...

If you have only dollars, don't let that you keep from buying in Mexico... The merchants may get a bit of a 'tip' since their rate of exchange is probably not as low as the banks. :light:

dtbushpilot - 5-18-2009 at 03:41 PM

If you don't want to have a problem using dollars instead of pesos don't do it. Yes, you can use dollars but you're better off, sometimes MUCH better off using pesos. I really don't understand why you advocate using dollars in Mexico DK. I think it shows a general lack of respect and arrogance to assume that dollars should be accepted. You are, after all in their country. Getting pesos is easy, show some respect.......

And NEVER EVER wear socks with flip-flops:lol:......dt

Skipjack Joe - 5-18-2009 at 03:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vagabundo84
We always travel in groups, during the day, and dont even stop until we're south of Ensenada.


The fact that you travel in groups should lower the probability of being assaulted to virtually zero.

Mulegena - 5-18-2009 at 03:47 PM

MINI-HIJACK
Quote:


And NEVER EVER wear socks with flip-flops:lol:......dt


or with a thong :o:P

DIS-HIJACK

(o, ihatemythongwhenitshijacked!)

mtgoat666 - 5-18-2009 at 03:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vagabundo84
We've encountered the usual Baja problems, eg. la mordida, broken down in the desert, getting drugged at bars, petty theft,...


I have never had any of those problems, don't think they are "usual." You need to re-evaluate yourself and find out why you attract trouble.

Well...................

MrBillM - 5-18-2009 at 04:16 PM

Mordida, at least, is certainly NOT unusual.

Even Mexican media has taken note of that.

24baja - 5-18-2009 at 04:22 PM

We are heading to BOLA this weekend, we stop for diesel in Rosarito Beach right off the toll road and don't stop until Santo Tomas, then El Rosario for lunch at the Bus Restaurant and diesel at the Pemex at the north end of town, stop next near Catavina for a pee break and then make the turn onto Bola road. At the View of the Bay we pull over and have cold Pacifico to celebrate the beauty before us and toast to good friend, good food and good fishing.

We travel during the day, don't stop unnecessarily and watch at all times for funny business! We have been very lucky and haven't had a problem as yet. We use Peso's for the most part and we feel we save money that way. If you just drive responsible, you will be okay. Have a great Trip! Brett & Connie

MitchMan - 5-18-2009 at 04:25 PM

The best way to be safe and throw off suspicion while in a restaurant is to allow the food on your plate to touch each other. Then, use pieces of a tortilla to scoop up the food instead of a fork. Bow your head slightly over the plate as you eat so that when food slips off the tortilla, it falls back to the plate. Chew with conviction, deliberately and slowly to show that you choose to savor your food, because, that is what is truly important. People watching will sense your baja authenticity. No one will bother you or consider you as a target. I must admit that I use the above as a litmus test for authenticity.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. Use pesos...it's cheaper! Also, take at least $1,300 pesos home ($3,000 pesos is better) with you when you leave baja for the US so that you will have Mexican spending money when you come back into baja and you can't get to a bank on your day of arrival in baja. Make sure that you always have plenty of smaller bills. When you come into baja with only US dollars, really make sure that you have plenty of small US bills, because you will get your change in pesos at a really, really bad exchange rate, or you will have to pay a bit more because small merchants will sometimes feign "I don't have cambio". If I were a merchant, that would be good business practice if you can pull it off sincerely. Not limited to Mexico, happens this way all over the world.

[Edited on 5-18-2009 by MitchMan]

David K - 5-18-2009 at 04:36 PM

Instead of the bus stop restaurant (#16), go a bit further to TACOS MISION (#36)... inside tables, tacos, burritos, stuffed potatos to die for and PAINTINGS!

If you want even more selection and a true restaurant (at lower prices than Espinoza's) go further to BAJA'S BEST B&B/ Restaurant, on the right (#38)... across from the new TURISTA MOTEL

Here's a map I made in 2006 showing the businesses along Hwy. 1 in El Rosario, with restaurants highlighted...



[Edited on 5-18-2009 by David K]

thebajarunner - 5-18-2009 at 04:37 PM

As usual on this board, you got some great advice, and you got some not so great input.

"Pack Heat"
I have no idea what that posting person means by that (well, generally that person's posts are obscure anyway.)
Do not, under any circumstances, carry a firearm!
No idea how to underline and accent that point.
You are running major risks if you do,
enough said.

Change your dollars to pesos. Forget the "socially acceptable" advice. You will have enough issues with translations and conversion ratios to deal with. Get pesos and make life a lot easier.
The ATM at the Bancomer in the north end of Maneadero used to be a great source for pesos, but last time through it was out of money.
We used the ATM on the town park in San Quintin and it worked great. The bank is on the west side of the highway, middle of town on the park.

Enjoy and don't sweat the "stuff"

Over the weekend here in our "safe American town" we had a couple of highjackings, a violent fatal burning crash a mile from my house. Lots of nasty news.... but that is here in Gringo land,
Baja is no worse, probably better, just pay attention.

And, as to how you chew your food.....
Well, like I said, some info around here is great and some is ???????

Woooosh - 5-18-2009 at 04:40 PM

I kinda like the Mexican hands-on approach to their food. They trust their own hands more than the restaurants dishwasher. I'm often pleasantly surprised at how clean and well supplied even street taco shop restrooms are for handwashing.

rts551 - 5-18-2009 at 04:52 PM

Get pesos. The people that say they spend dollars would never take pesos in their own country,,, hint on credibility, don't get taken by the Norte Americano owned restaurant, They are what they are and attract people who are afraid of Mexico.Live Baja... You will enjoy

Bajahowodd - 5-18-2009 at 05:07 PM

Why stop "near Catavina" for a pee break, when you could do what thousands do and pee at the Desert Inn?

As for Mitch, man. You need to get your medication straightened out. "Throwing off suspicion in a restaurant". Really.

Frank - 5-18-2009 at 05:25 PM

Great post. I have been on the fence about coming down for awhile now. We looked at alternatives stateside and nothing was going to give us what we wanted.

Last week we decided to just make the trip down and keep the 8 year baja streak alive! This post just confirms our decision, thanks

US News Blitzkrieg

Mulegena - 5-18-2009 at 07:23 PM

Because it bears mentioning again, I'll belabor the point just a bit more:

I live in Baja and am without television; selectively receive news via the internet.

I'm presently in Alta California for a few months. Invariably one of two things happen when I meet an acquaintance or make a new friend: People are anxious to tell me how dangerous it is for me to live in Mexico, as if they are experts in present-day Mexican social studies. Or, conversely I am quizzed as to how the "cartel thing is going down there" as if I'm an expert in Mexican political science.

I ask where their information is being gleaned, and am told it is from the US news. I casually answer that while their concern is appreciated, perhaps the news is overstated.

Frankly, between you me and the delete button, I've developed the opinion that the news media in the US is doing a concerted smear of Mexico. Of that I am clear; the why I don't know.

Yes, I am cautious and alert; this only is good sense. If I travel alone I always take extra precaution, just as I would anywhere in the world.

I could go on and on, but the message I believe we Nomads sincerely wish to send is, Come. Appreciate life and times here in Baja. Listen to your inner-voice and follow it wisely.

Someone recently said, "You only live once, so make sure its enough."

24baja - 5-18-2009 at 07:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Why stop "near Catavina" for a pee break, when you could do what thousands do and pee at the Desert Inn?

Why, for the air on the behind effect of course, by this time it needs to breathe!!! :lol::lol::lol:

sourdough - 5-18-2009 at 08:23 PM

For cripes sakes, stay home!! This place is full of Mexicans!!

Driving south

elskel - 5-21-2009 at 05:11 PM

I left for so. Baja / Pescadreo on Sat. May 8th, crossed the border at 6am /Tijuana . I was driving solo and had no problems at all. First day San Ignacio, second day Pescadero/Todos Santos. All encountered along the way were great. I was taking supplies and truck to my place in Pescadero.
salud, brian

coho - 5-21-2009 at 06:05 PM

Having driven 27 round trips deep into Baja over the last 9 years, I still feel safe everywhere but Tijuana. Get through it as fast as possible and during the daytime. Entering from the States at 8AM Sunday morning is the best...a breeze. Re entry at 10 AM has been OK with a usual 2 hour delay. Don't flaunt wealth or do anything stupid and it is beyond that strictly a numbers game. You never know when your time will come....anywhere in the world.

arrowhead - 5-21-2009 at 07:31 PM

Today's TJ newspaper says the ceasefire is over. There have been headless bodies showing up all over. They are really cranking up the kidnapping business. Today the son of a well known TJ doctor showed up encobijado, minus his head.

[Edited on 5-22-2009 by arrowhead]

Barry A. - 5-21-2009 at 08:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by arrowhead
Today's TJ newspaper says the ceasefire is over. There have been headless bodies showing up all over. They are really cranking up the kidnapping business. Today the son of a well known TJ doctor showed up encobijado, minus his head.

[Edited on 5-22-2009 by arrowhead]


-------all you gotta do is enter into intelligent negotiation with "them" and everything will be alright.

-----after all, we all know that the cartel-folks are just misunderstood, justified, and the USA is to blame.

Keep the faith-----------

Barry

Statistically Speaking................

MrBillM - 5-21-2009 at 08:23 PM

No Problema. The Odds are with you.

BUT, that's even true of the Soldiers walking the streets in Downtown Baghdad. Only a small percentage are maimed or killed.

Take comfort in the statistics.

Don't Worry. Be Happy.

Ken Cooke - 5-21-2009 at 08:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vagabundo84
Nomads,
My buddies and I have been going annual trips to Baja for 6 years now, usually driving all the way to the tip and back. We've encountered the usual Baja problems, eg. la mordida, broken down in the desert, getting drugged at bars, petty theft, and it's always been fine. This year we are planning on crossing at Tecate, and heading to BOLA and Abreojos. With all the media attention though, we obviously are a little apprehensive. We always travel in groups, during the day, and dont even stop until we're south of Ensenada. What I am wondering is just a straight answer from people who are down there as to how safe/unsafe it really is. It seems like people are still crossing the border fine and taking trips down there, I just want some reassurance. Thanks for the help and I appreciate honest answers.


Roll in a beater that isn't going to break down. In my Rubicon, the cops pulled me out of the Jeep south of San Quentin, and the police officer gave me a real wierd vibe about wanting to steal my Jeep. I've had this almost happen in Mexicali too. Mafia and cops goes together real well in Baja, I guess.

Because, I was with TW in Mexicali and with the Baja Grande group in San Quentin, the cops let me go & keep my Jeep. If I were driving alone, I might not have lived to talk about it since I wouldn't go down without a fight. :!:

I know this doesn't go well with the Peace and Fish Tacos vibe here, but this is the real deal. Roll in a $40,000+ playtoy, and I guess you're asking for trouble south of the border. Roll deep or lose your wheels.

Paulina - 5-21-2009 at 09:07 PM

This story shares a different twist on the media’s view of violence in Mexico, and the effect it can have on the general public. It goes beyond tourism. The straight answer on baja safety depends on who you ask.

I know of someone who is involved in a custody battle with her ex husband who knows that if he can keep their daughter out of baja, he can then control her baja life as well.

She knows that with every news media report, article, and Internet thread about the issue of safety concerns and violence in Baja her ex is one step closer to keeping her stateside.

He knows that her heart and soul are baja. Her first experience was a fishing trip with her grandfather when she was three. She continued to visit baja for her dad’s off road races. When she was in college she revisited the same beach side villages with her friends. She met the man there who would someday become her ex. They were engaged there, both of their children were conceived there, the youngest one almost had the privilege of being born there.

She spent every school holiday with her children in Baja, most of the time without him as he had business and other “interests” to attend to. She was 600 mi. south of the border when she found out from the town doctor that her ex had sent an email, asking the doctor to let her know that he had filed for divorce, and taken every cent out of their bank account. The kind doctor gave her $200.00 so she and her 6 year old daughter could make the drive back stateside.

He wasn't very concerned for his daughter's safety then.

When they divorced, she kept the places in Baja, her truck and her panga and all her fishing gear. She kept the Mexican friends they had made; after all, none of them could ever remember his name.

She got her life back. She got Baja. He doesn’t like that.

A couple of years ago, he told the Family Court Judge that she was a flight risk, so the court ordered her to obtain either his permission or that of the court to take their daughter home to Baja. She had to go to the expense of petitioning the court two times in one year to take her daughter south for school holidays. Her ex denied permission even though neither one of those two trips interfered with his visitation schedule.

He learned that if he could keep their daughter out, he could keep her out.

When the Passport travel rule came down he refused to sign the application. Once again she had to go to court to ask the Judge to order his signature. She had to go through this procedure twice as her ex ignored the courts ruling the first time.

The next time they were in court the Judge gave her back her freedom to travel to Baja and ordered her ex to provide upon demand any further documentation necessary for their daughter to go too.

In November 2008 she asked her ex to sign the U.S. Immigration consent form that would allow the child to travel with only one parent. Regardless of the court order to execute this document he refused.

He also has kindly offered to file International kidnapping charges against her should she try to go without it.

It has been over a year since their daughter has been able to go home to Baja, to see her friends and family there. If he has his way, it will be a lot longer, as he now has the news media to help fuel his fire.

He knows all the common sense baja traveling rules, as it was once a part of his life too. He chose to call himself the “Baja VIP” on the old Amigos board.

He knows that she has over 30 years experience in traveling baja. He knows her friends, her connections, her favorite places, her holiday traditions. He knows her every baja mood that she chooses to publicly share, as he lurks, he follows her every post on the baja boards.

He knows of her emergency plans, the connections she has made up and down the peninsula. He knows she travels with a satellite phone and enough spare truck parts to open a store. He knows she is only a computer key board away from friends who would come to the rescue if called.

He knows all this, but now he has more leverage. He knows that none of that means anything to those who only know Baja from what they see on T.V. or read in the news or on the internet. That would be the family court judge that will soon be hearing his plea to help him save his daughter from all the reported violence and corruption, and decadent life that he can only imagine his ex wife lives down there, and exposes their daughter to.

After all, he continues to read all about it on the Nomad board.

As a result, she has kept her postings to a minimum. She hasn’t written trip reports, or participated in some of the fun threads that might have to do with watching a sunset with her favorite adult beverage, as he has told the court that all of her Baja friends are alcoholics, drug abusers, or running from the law. Why else would they be living there? Why else would they call themselves Nomads?

With every thread that is started that quotes the latest drug lord news, beheadings, local shootings, Police corruption and stupid tourist mistake, he prints out one more piece of evidence to use against her and her living her life in Baja. One more piece of so called truth to use as an albatross around her neck.

I’m sure she’d be glad to read this thread through, to read that there still is such a thing as common sense and that there are people who still believe in it.

Just don't drive at night. You're more likely to hit a cow than be held up by a bad guy. But then again, I'm one of those common sense Nomads who continues to believe in Baja.

P<*)))>{





[Edited on 22-5-2009 by Paulina]

elgatoloco - 5-21-2009 at 09:33 PM

Psycopath~

A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.

This guys fits the description!

24baja - 5-21-2009 at 10:07 PM

Paulina, I am so sorry for your friend, I hope Karma comes to visit him real soon! Connie

Bajahowodd - 5-21-2009 at 10:30 PM

The feeling I get is that somewhere within the US news organizations and the government, someone realized that they had really gone way over the line. Thus, there appears to be a more conciliatory approach to Mexico. Just a feeling I get.

Mulegena - 5-21-2009 at 10:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The feeling I get is that somewhere within the US news organizations and the government, someone realized that they had really gone way over the line. Thus, there appears to be a more conciliatory approach to Mexico. Just a feeling I get.


I hope that this is so.

As I've stated about myself on other threads, I generally don't have access to US television. Right now, however, I'm staying with friends Stateside, so the other morning while coffee was brewing and before my head was in gear I turned on CNN... I could not believe my bleary eyes and ears!

There was a reporter with an inter-active monitor instructing the viewing public how we can go to a certain website linked to CNN to find out everything you ever wanted to know about the dangerous Mexican cartels and the drug wars that they are having, in Mexico and the USA. He then proceeded to click on the name of one of the Mexican cartels; photos of that cartel's members appeared. Click on a photo and the "rap sheet" of that individual could be accessed. Also indicated was whether or not that (supposed) cartel member was dead or still alive. I also learned within a span of about one minute which US city was now the kidnapping capitol of America which, of course, is linked with the drug wars going on in Mexico, according to the professional newscaster.

Geez! Me thinkz somebody has too much time on their hands. This is fear-mongering at its worst perpetrated by a major news source. Disgusting!

I turned off the tv, grabbed my nice hot coffee and went back to bed to wake up reading www.bajanomad.com

woody with a view - 5-22-2009 at 06:26 AM

wow Paulina

let's all do a group thought. repeat after me, "i hope that culero gets hit by a bus real soon."

rpleger - 5-22-2009 at 07:42 AM

If you feel uncomfortable, or don´t trust Mexicans. Need to travel in groups for protection, Then don´t come to Baja California, you wont enjoy yourself.

STAY AWAY

Mulegena - 5-22-2009 at 12:33 PM

Yes, Paulina. My sympathies go out to your friend and her dear family. Life is tough anyway
without the heartbreak of a broken family. I know your friend will keep up the good struggle.
These responses to your post show the sincere good wishes and hope being sent their way by Nomad Friends that life will show kindness to her and the children.

Richard & Patty on the Hill. Hi, Guys. I'd love for you to meet Mick's daughters this summer.
They're shy and polite with new people, but are really fun and funny when they open up.

rpleger - 5-22-2009 at 01:50 PM

Mulegena....I would love to meet them too.

Cypress - 5-22-2009 at 02:34 PM

Paranoid about visiting Baja?:?: Anywhere in Baja is much better than the inner cities of the good old USA.:(

mulegemichael - 5-22-2009 at 03:26 PM

lisa marie...i want to meet them also!...i'll probably be gone tho by the time you get back into town...my son is flying down and we're driving back in the toyota as it needs some tender loving care up north...so...obviously we're not worried about piracy on the road...too bad we'll miss you this time...we'll get into town next thursday...we'll have mick over for dinner and a cold one!

arrowhead - 5-22-2009 at 09:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Paulina
The next time they were in court the Judge gave her back her freedom to travel to Baja and ordered her ex to provide upon demand any further documentation necessary for their daughter to go too.

In November 2008 she asked her ex to sign the U.S. Immigration consent form that would allow the child to travel with only one parent. Regardless of the court order to execute this document he refused.

He also has kindly offered to file International kidnapping charges against her should she try to go without it.


Paulina, almost nothing you say makes any sense. Sounds more like a coffee clatch gossip than reality.

1) There is no such thing as a US Immigration consent form to travel abroad with a child. Many countries require the consent of the non-traveling parent, but that is just a notartized statement on a white sheet of paper saying the parent consents to the travel.

2) Your friend doesn't need the consent of the ex. As you stated, she has a court order requiring the ex to consent. She only needs to carry a copy of that with her. The only concern foreign authorities have is that a child may be kidnapped. The court order is more than enough. What do you think single parents do when the ex bugs out and is divorced in absentia? Stop all travel?

3) If the ex files a charge of kidnapping when your friend has the court's consent and custody to travel with the child, that would be a false police report. Your friend's lawyer could cut him up into little pieces in court, revoke or restrict his visitation rights and make him pay up for any trouble he caused. Filing a false police report is a crime.

4) When the ex refused to sign, even after the court order, why did your friend's lawyer not start a contempt action and set a court date for an order to show cause?

Is your friend a little slow-witted or something?

Paulina - 5-23-2009 at 07:15 AM

1. http://wiki.lawdepot.com/wiki/Child_Travel_Consent_Form_FAQ_...

http://www.familytravelforum.com/how/advice/10545-Required-D...

https://www.apu.edu/iom/mexout/download/200809/mexout_consen...

2. They have joint legal custody.

3. Same as above.

4. In motion as I type.

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[Edited on 23-5-2009 by Paulina]

just great advice

eetdrt88 - 5-25-2009 at 02:57 PM

i thought the post about "chewing food deliberately and with conviction" when in a restaraunt was very helpful,also ive found that eating the hottest foods with grace shows toughness to...ive often dined in mexican restaraunts and simply ordered a plate of their hottest peppers with some warm milk,while wolfing down these those little peppers the sweat would pour from my brow and the warm milk would Dibble from my chin but i could sense the respect i was getting from the others especially the locals....often when i pass thru checkpoints i will keep some marinated peppers close by in my vehicle and will eat them and smear some around my mouth,when i pull up they see and smell the hot peppers and out of fear the guards will almost always let me pass right thru...i have many more great tips and if neccesary i will share them:!::!:

Cypress - 5-25-2009 at 03:03 PM

eetdrt88, :o That's a good one.:yes:

eetdrt88 - 5-25-2009 at 03:06 PM

here is a pic of a freind of mine that has truly mastered this skill,see the intense look on his face...would u even consider messin with this guy?

eating-peppers.jpg - 7kB

Cypress - 5-25-2009 at 03:25 PM

Looks like he's choking on something.:biggrin:

Mulegena - 5-25-2009 at 03:32 PM

He's just eating batwings... with hotsauce
(poor bats, we need bats)

or he accidentally ripped off part of that whopper moustache
from wiping the drool from his chili-filled mouth.

:fire:
:P

Bronco - 5-26-2009 at 08:23 AM

"Paulina, almost nothing you say makes any sense. Sounds more like a coffee clatch gossip than reality."
Says Arrowhead the jail house lawyer.

Nice work Paulina in stating your case regarding the doc's re:
bringing a child into a foreign country.

I always enjoy your comments. This story sounds very close to home, best of luck to your pal.

Paulina - 5-26-2009 at 08:00 PM

Bronco,

Check your u2u, and thanks.

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arrowhead - 5-26-2009 at 08:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Paulina
1. http://wiki.lawdepot.com/wiki/Child_Travel_Consent_Form_FAQ_...

http://www.familytravelforum.com/how/advice/10545-Required-D...

https://www.apu.edu/iom/mexout/download/200809/mexout_consen...

2. They have joint legal custody.

3. Same as above.

4. In motion as I type.

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[Edited on 23-5-2009 by Paulina]


1) Well, your Number 1 link proves exactly what I said, there is no US Customs form for taking a child to a foreign country, it's just a letter. So you proved I was correct.

2) That's nice they have joint legal custody. That is a legal term you probably don't understand. That means both parents are FINANCIALLY responsible for the support of the child. Now the issue when taking a child to Mexico is "Who has PHYSICAL CUSTODY?". That is another legal term I'm sure you don't understand.

3)Ibid

Does my "coffee clatch" comment start to make more sense?

arrowhead - 5-26-2009 at 09:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bronco
"Paulina, almost nothing you say makes any sense. Sounds more like a coffee clatch gossip than reality."
Says Arrowhead the jail house lawyer.


Well, then, why didn't YOU explain the difference between legal custody and physical custody to Paulina?
:rolleyes:

Paulina - 5-26-2009 at 09:09 PM

Arrowhead,

I guess you know best...:rolleyes:

I, we stand corrected...:lol:

What was my friend thinking when they didn't seek you out for your legal services? ;)

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