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This has real potential ... NOT

CaboRon - 6-7-2009 at 07:18 AM

Colombia to train Baja California state police
Submitted by WW4 Report on Fri, 06/05/2009 - 20:50.
Baja California Prosecutor General Rommel Moreno Manjarrez has announced that Colombian specialists will provide anti-kidnapping training to state law enforcement officials. Members of the Colombian National Police were in Baja California this week to lay the groundwork for the training which will be offered to 35 personnel attached to the state prosecutor general's office. Officers selected for the training will be vetted by the Colombians, Moreno said.

The planned training grew out of a meeting between Moreno and Dr. Luis Camilo Osorio, Colombia's ambassador to Mexico, in Mexico City last month. According to Moreno, trainers from the Gaula anti-kidnapping unit of the Colombian National Police will give instruction on operational tactics, intelligence, police investigative techniques, and hostage negotiation. Moreno said fighting kidnapping is one of the priorities of the state prosecutor general's office. Baja California's top law enforcement official said 78 kidnapping gangs have already been broken up in the border state.

In one of the latest incidents, Moreno reported that radiologist Heriberto Valenzuela Vadillo was freed on the morning of June 3 after spending five days in captivity.

The Baja California-Colombia anti-kidnapping agreement is similar to an accord reached between Colombia and Chihuahua state last month. Colombian trainers also from the Gaula unit are expected to arrive in Chihuahua this month.

The growing Mexico-Colombia police training agreements are beginning to draw critical comments in Mexico. "Colombian paramilitaries arrived in Mexico," wrote Leticia Castro on the daily La Jornada's web site. "Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are."

Another writer, identified only as Alejandro G., wrote: "The Colombian and Mexican police are among the most corrupt in the world...the relationship of two corrupt police forces is being promoted by the Mexican state. The creation of a new cartel?" (Frontera NorteSur, June 3

comitan - 6-7-2009 at 07:21 AM

Ron

Why not post something new, this has already been posted. I guess if its something negative you just have to post. :no:

Loretana - 6-7-2009 at 10:04 AM

You would think now that Ron is back in the "Good ole USA" as he puts it, he would have something better to do with his time. Apparently, he gets his jollies by surfing for negative Mexico news and posting it here.

I thought his intention was to leave the horrors he experienced in Baja Sur and never look back. :rolleyes:

I have a feeling this man hasn't been laid since the Johnson Administration.

comitan - 6-7-2009 at 10:09 AM

:lol:

Potential?

Dave - 6-7-2009 at 10:17 AM

If Colombia's involved then cocaine will be cheaper. This is good news.

BMG - 6-7-2009 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by Loretana

I have a feeling this man hasn't been laid since the Johnson Administration.

Lyndon or Andrew?

CaboRon - 6-7-2009 at 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Loretana
You would think now that Ron is back in the "Good ole USA" as he puts it, he would have something better to do with his time. Apparently, he gets his jollies by surfing for negative Mexico news and posting it here.

I thought his intention was to leave the horrors he experienced in Baja Sur and never look back. :rolleyes:

I have a feeling this man hasn't been laid since the Johnson Administration.

CaboRon is now on a mission to warn Americans of the pitfalls of buying and investing in this lawless country called mexico ....

Donjulio - 6-7-2009 at 10:52 AM

The good thing about Mexico is that the average age in the country is 18 years old. In the U.S. it is 48.

The young Mexicans are more educated than they have ever been before. They have different beliefs and values and they are working towards a better future for themselves and their country.

They are bringing in new legislation, new infrastructure, new technology, fiber optics, telecommunications - Mexico has a bright future.

I am glad I live here.

gnukid - 6-7-2009 at 10:53 AM

Hey RON

Here's some good news for you, did you see that Las Vegas has the lowest real estate prices in the USA due to the highest number of foreclosures? Its big news for buyers, perhaps like you. You can buy a house for as low as $25k and live there happily forever and ever.

http://search.cnn.com/search?type=video&sortBy=date&...

Paula - 6-7-2009 at 10:53 AM

Ron, You won't be very effective doing that on this board. And so many of us would be happy not to come across your negative same ol' stuff. I think there is an audience somewhere that would appreciate hearing what you have to say. Why don't you go look for it?

BMG - 6-7-2009 at 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

CaboRon is now on a mission to warn Americans of the pitfalls of buying and investing in this lawless country called mexico ....

What did you buy or invest in that was taken from you?

DENNIS - 6-7-2009 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Donjulio
The good thing about Mexico is that the average age in the country is 18 years old.

Is that for sure? Seems kinda young...like something one would expect in Darfur or Alabama.

Woooosh - 6-7-2009 at 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Donjulio
The good thing about Mexico is that the average age in the country is 18 years old. In the U.S. it is 48.

The young Mexicans are more educated than they have ever been before. They have different beliefs and values and they are working towards a better future for themselves and their country.

They are bringing in new legislation, new infrastructure, new technology, fiber optics, telecommunications - Mexico has a bright future.

I am glad I live here.

I have a 20 year old nephew in college in TJ and he feels exactly the same way. He has no desire to go to the USA when there is so much opportunity here. He currently works part-time doing powerpoint presentations at secondary schools recruiting for his college and speaking on the value of continuing their education. He says almost all the students at his level, and the ones he gives recruiting presentation to, are almost all female. I think the USA has more women than men enrolled in college- but not as slanted.

So you are far from being alone.

Bajahowodd - 6-7-2009 at 03:00 PM

Wow. A positive post from Whoooosh :lol:

And I believe BMG hit the nail on the head. As far as I know, CaboRon was a renter. His investment was time.

shari - 6-7-2009 at 03:59 PM

sirenita was offered a university education in San diego and Canada and chose to remain in Baja. She wanted to stay and do something for her country...I admire her courage.

JESSE - 6-7-2009 at 08:35 PM

Baja Norte state police is corrupt to the bone. The state would be much better off locking them everyday in a room with full pay, food, and cable TV, and off course, no phones and internet, than letting them out on the street working hard for the cartel.

Learning from Colombians? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

As if training is the reason why the Police fails.

JESSE - 6-13-2009 at 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by lencho

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Originally posted by CaboRon
CaboRon is now on a mission to warn Americans of the pitfalls of buying and investing in this lawless country called mexico ....

Ron, from what I can tell, you came to Mexico with an illusion, failed to assimilate into the local environment, and left embittered.

That's not uncommon, I've battled personally with culture shock throughout some 20 years in Latin America; it's stressful and for many, not worth it. I still occasionally have moments where I want to throw my hands up and go open an appliance store in the middle of Kansas.

But some friendly advice after over a year of observing your encounters with this strange land: LET IT GO, man-- you had some interesting experiences down here but now it's time to focus on being where you ARE NOW and put your energy where it can help you integrate into your current environment and pursue happiness THERE.

Saludos-- Larry

Even us that are Mexicans and come from other states, find it difficult to assimilate here.

Woooosh - 6-13-2009 at 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Baja Norte state police is corrupt to the bone. The state would be much better off locking them everyday in a room with full pay, food, and cable TV, and off course, no phones and internet, than letting them out on the street working hard for the cartel.

Learning from Colombians? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

As if training is the reason why the Police fails.

On-Duty Police in Torreon can no longer carry personal cell phones (sorry- still totally corrupt in TJ).

My family is from Torreon and the city is being shaken hard by the violence we are already used to in TJ. I have two nephews in hiding from the zetas there and am trying to get them here for their safety (and becasue bus fare is cheaper than funerals).

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/world/americas/11briefs-me...

[Edited on 6-13-2009 by Woooosh]

Bajahowodd - 6-13-2009 at 11:36 AM

Jesse does make a valid observation. Baja is different from mainland Mexico. Mostly a result of it having been an ignored backwater for so long. Even the Mexican government tried to sell it to the US.

As for Woooosh's posted link, maybe the government should disarm all police, issue batons and have them limited to directing traffic and helping lost children. Looks like the army is going to be the real police force, anyway. Just don't know how they can keep going into areas, round up the police, then put them back on the street. Merely an intimidation tactic?

Hook - 6-13-2009 at 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Loretana

I thought his intention was to leave the horrors he experienced in Baja Sur and never look back. :rolleyes:

You are talking about his quest for a clean bathroom in a restaurant, aren't you?

The horror.....................the horror...............

So, Cabron has a new campaign to occupy his time? I have the perfect campaign button for him.

[Edited on 6-13-2009 by Hook]

Von - 6-13-2009 at 12:43 PM

COCA?

Should we legalize it? SURE i can get if i want right now and its not legalize anyone can get it. Govt is dumb they should rake in millions from taxing it same with marijuana anyone can get anywhere anytime why do we play dumb we only jack up prices when its not legalize and loose out on great big revenue can u imagine how much tax's we could get from that we would be in a surplus deficit lol!

Woooosh - 6-13-2009 at 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Von
COCA?

Should we legalize it? SURE i can get if i want right now and its not legalize anyone can get it. Govt is dumb they should rake in millions from taxing it same with marijuana anyone can get anywhere anytime why do we play dumb we only jack up prices when its not legalize and loose out on great big revenue can u imagine how much tax's we could get from that we would be in a surplus deficit lol!

Hmmm. Once they legalize and tax it- they can't make money helping the narcos move it, can they?

How would any of them get by living on their salary? I remember reading the top judges in Mexico are paid $500K a year so they can't be corrupted. Right idea- wrong number. The Police Chief of TJ was getting that much a month. Would they rather have a clean country or a retirement home in Europe and $millions more tucked away?

We know many Mexican authorities are corrupt and I believe Mexico when they say many on the US side are corrupt too. The nature of man is evil- that's why we have religions, laws and social mores to keep us from being our true selves.

Given the depth and complexity of the problems in Mexico and the decades it will take to fix them- they are actually making the logical choice in a family-based society... Take the money and run. They can see no change in their or their childrens lifetimes.

The 11 million Mexicans who have already migrated to the USA and elsewhere have already done the running part- they just didn't have money to take with them. JMHO

[Edited on 6-13-2009 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 6-13-2009 at 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Wow. A positive post from Whoooosh :lol:

Yeah I know. The Connecticut yankee geezer in me is brutally honest. I was typing a reply to a post and realized why it is I get so negative and critical on certain topics... it's because Mexico will not get better in my lifetime.

What I saved my lifetime for and moved here to enjoy with my family and friends no longer exists. It probably wasn't here when I built my house six years ago. I gave my memories of baja norte from the 80's too much weight in my retirement decision. It was a point it time in my life so perfect that I though it was frozen in time here for me to enjoy and share forever. Silly me. Things change, people change, everything chnges and baja can be no different. We Connecticut Yankees hate to have no control in our lives or be forced to admit when we are fools.

And before I depress anyone any more- I have five labs at my feet who want to go out and play on the beach. What am I doing near the PC anyway? I'll be 100% better when I come back in- guaranteed.

Loretana - 6-14-2009 at 10:58 AM

You are talking about his quest for a clean bathroom in a restaurant, aren't you?

The horror.....................the horror...............

:lol:

Bajahowodd - 6-14-2009 at 11:37 AM

Everything changes. Go with the flow.

vandenberg - 6-14-2009 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Loretana
You are talking about his quest for a clean bathroom in a restaurant, aren't you?

The horror.....................the horror...............

:lol:

I don't know about this bathroom bit, but the bathrooms nowadays are palaces compared to the ones I remember from the 60's and 70's.