BajaNomad - Why has Baja Nomad become such a depressing place?

Why has Baja Nomad become such a depressing place?

Ken Cooke - 6-13-2009 at 11:43 AM

I haven't had much time recently to frequent this website, but I am noticing how depressing so many posts have become. Its become such a negative place, that I'm losing interest - which is sad. I love visiting my friends in Tijuana, San Felipe is a great vacation spot, as is Gonzaga Bay and L.A. Bay. But, the board in general is a real downer. Prozac anyone?

-Ken

JESSE - 6-13-2009 at 11:49 AM

Baja is the same as ever, but i guess globally people are down because of the situation.

We will get over it.

Bajahowodd - 6-13-2009 at 12:09 PM

Hey. World health officials gave props to Mexico for its response to the flu outbreak. Since the alert level has recently been raised, officials have criticized other countries, especially in Europe for not taking the measures as did Mexico. That's positive.

fdt - 6-13-2009 at 01:07 PM

And no metion about the USA beeing the one with the most confirmed cases at more than double those of México.
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_06_12/en/index.html

sd - 6-13-2009 at 01:18 PM

Ken,

Look forward to seeing you and your friends along with FTD and family in December/January at the toy drive in Tijuana.

It was an incredible event that so many Baja Nomad's particpated in. Perhaps this year more will have time to join us. I still think of how great everyone was who helped in so many ways. The kids sure appreciated everything.

I have not been to Baja this year and sure do miss it. I was comfortable at the Tijuana toy drive, and have no fear of the flu. When I have time I will make the trip.

Hope all is well!

Scot

Ken Cooke - 6-13-2009 at 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sd
I have not been to Baja this year and sure do miss it. I was comfortable at the Tijuana toy drive, and have no fear of the flu. When I have time I will make the trip.

Hope all is well!

Scot

The Toy Drive was the coolest. It provided so much positivity for the people of Baja, and Baja Nomad in general.

David K - 6-13-2009 at 01:44 PM

Very cool Ken! Good job... and you said it was depressing around here!?

Ken Cooke - 6-13-2009 at 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Very cool Ken! Good job... and you said it was depressing around here!?

I was reading about property values, immigration, I ventured into the "Off-Topic"...

mtgoat666 - 6-13-2009 at 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
Rumsfeld
plague

2 very depressing words (synonyms?). newkid, you are quite a downer.

eetdrt88 - 6-13-2009 at 02:07 PM

depression,yes i feel it....as i havent been to baja in over a year and i feel like a sick person who needs their meds....i am so thankful for the people that post all the baja pics and trip reports here because its always an inspiration,some of the bickering and b.s. have always been going on here since i can first remember logging on to this site,but i believe there are some genuinely great characters on this board that give u a true sense of what baja is all about :cool:

PokerGuy - 6-13-2009 at 02:38 PM

Aside from the few lame responses I have recieved. I couldn't be farther from depressed after reading through this site. Maybe its my newbie eyes to the baja way, or just the excitement of meeting all of you for the first time, but I need downers just to get to sleep at night thinking about baja. lol

KurtG - 6-13-2009 at 02:53 PM

Well, here's a positive post. Three weeks ago I rode my KLR650 from home on the central coast 1000 miles south to Mulege and then on to Loreto with side trips to San Javier and to visit rancher friends in the Sierra Guadalupe. Highway was emptier of traffic than 25 years ago. People were friendly, soldiers efficient and courteous at the checkpoints and rooms and meals were inexpensive. Beaches were mostly empty, water was warm. I got to see many old friends in Mulege where my children and I had lived back in the mid-70's. Trip could not have been better except for being a little hot but that was expected. Put 2500 miles on the bike in 10 days with no spills, flats or breakdowns. Life is good!!

DianaT - 6-13-2009 at 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I ventured into the "Off-Topic"...

BINGO---- You wandered into the sewer.

Cypress - 6-13-2009 at 03:00 PM

KurtG, Thanks.

You've been down there in the past few weeks, which is more than most of the negative naybobs can say.

shari - 6-13-2009 at 03:03 PM

Well, I'm having a wonderful baja weekend...last night my good amigos brought me over a heaping plate of BBQ Burro and I'm in carnivore heaven right now. I was wondering if I loved this meat so much when I tried it at new years because I was rather....ummm....boracha. But this new batch of baby burro ribs is OMG...the BEST meat I have ever tasted ever anywhere in the world...I mean really special.

The chef suggested that we invite our guests on weekends for a special BBQ at their ranch so they could see the process and how they cook it etc....hmm...maybe some of you would love this...we can ride the horses and you can even go on a burro roundup if ya want.

this family is also planting organic crops this season for a market garden type business...excellent news.

This morning Zoe and I had a wonderful walk on the beach...not one other person for miles.

Then Juan made the best octopus salad I have ever tasted too...baja...it's all about the food.....ahhhh baja....a POSITIVELY wonderful place.

gnukid - 6-13-2009 at 03:08 PM

In answer your question, knowledge is half the battle.

The realization of the knowledge that there are many forces at work to harm the general public, that not all our police, government, private industry or developers are honest, or working for the collective good, is a start, is at first depressing, it's the first step.

The next step is use your power to make changes for the good of the community. Do it and have fun.

comitan - 6-13-2009 at 03:29 PM

Did I see the original question answered?

Ken Cooke - 6-13-2009 at 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid

Maybe your depressed due to a flu vaccine?
[Edited on 6-13-2009 by gnukid]

I had mine in February. Right before my flight to Colombia and the big Carnavales party. Yowza!! :bounce:

surfer jim - 6-13-2009 at 04:39 PM

I was going to answer your post as I am having the same thoughts myself....but now even this has turned into some "off topic" debate....I give up.....

Ken Cooke - 6-13-2009 at 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by surfer jim
I was going to answer your post as I am having the same thoughts myself....but now even this has turned into some "off topic" debate....I give up.....

Point proved. Thanks for adding, Jim. I wanted to know if it was just me, or was the place a general downer.

bajamigo - 6-13-2009 at 04:56 PM

Here's a postivie post. The beginning, middle and end of this story all had their genesis on this bulletin board. There's more to Baja Nomad than discussing immigration and real estate issues; sometimes, often, there's a call to action that gets answered---big time.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=39152

And that's just one example.

BajaBruno - 6-13-2009 at 05:02 PM

Ken, I have learned to simply not read the posts of certain members who, in all probability, will have something negative and not particularly worthwhile to write. That in itself makes this board much more enjoyable.

The majority of Nomads are fine, fun-loving people with good attitudes. Just install a personally-controlled firewall for the predictable remainder.

longlegsinlapaz - 6-13-2009 at 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote:

Originally posted by surfer jim
I was going to answer your post as I am having the same thoughts myself....but now even this has turned into some "off topic" debate....I give up.....

Point proved. Thanks for adding, Jim. I wanted to know if it was just me, or was the place a general downer.

IT'S NOT JUST YOU, Ken! :no:

IMO, BajaNomad's been on a sharp downward spiral for the past year. Too many trolls....or the same small group of rabble-rousing trolls with many, many different user names. Too much negative; even when true; reporting which detracts from the positive helpful place I feel Doug envisioned when he originally created the site. Too many rude, crude & otherwise offensive posts. Too many Mexico bashers! When Hose A was moderator, he weeded out a lot of the garbage in an effort to keep the site a pleasant place to share experiences & knowledge. The site used to be cyclical, it was more resilient & would bounce back from low periods. IMO, it's still heading downward after a full year; For the most part, it's lost its fun, pleasant, helpful feel. It's also lost many, many long time posters who've taken their wealth of knowledge & experience & left....that's a huge loss to the overall well-being of the site & sad to me.

comitan - 6-13-2009 at 05:35 PM

I think the good side of the forum has the scales tipped in its favor.

JUST STAY AWAY FROM THE OFF TOPIC. :fire:

SiReNiTa - 6-13-2009 at 05:40 PM

Ken...unfortunantly this board is also host to many people who seem to think they will feel better or look cool and smart by pointing mean fingers and saying usless, hurting junk about the place that we share a very deep love for and that makes me sad and pretty angry because i have seen so many awsome things here in baja it is truly a magical place where dreams come trye, of course it has problems just like the rest of the world but that does not take the beauty away from it...its sad that this board has turned in to a debating forum (pro baja and...not pro baja) we can only keep our hopes up so that the people that say nasty stuff will eventually get bored and leave...until then...just remember that they are missing out on some great fun and awsom friends by making those kinds of comments! hey what do they know right BAJA ROCKS!!!!!

I figured I would change my avatar to something more friendly.

Ken Cooke - 6-13-2009 at 05:49 PM

Now, I'm Mr. Mouse. HA! My other possiblity was Dead Mouse - I like Happy Mouse better than Dead Mou5 (below) :yes:

I hear this song every morning on XM Radio, and I love it. :bounce:

[Edited on 6-14-2009 by Ken Cooke]

Skipjack Joe - 6-13-2009 at 06:38 PM

Well, that turtle thread was definitely a downer. It wouldn't have lasted 2 days with HoseA at the helm. Can't understand why Doug didn't move it to off-topic.

Yeah, yeah, I know: If you don't like it don't look go there. That's a lame excuse for those kind of threads.

comitan - 6-13-2009 at 06:46 PM

Since you bring it to the forefront, what the forum is or isn't is totally controlled by the moderator.

k-rico - 6-13-2009 at 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JESSE
Baja is the same as ever, but i guess globally people are down because of the situation.

We will get over it.

I'll second the first answer to the question, the situation.

lizard lips - 6-13-2009 at 07:24 PM

Ken, Relax my friend. Read what you want and don't spend your time reading what others have absolutely no business posting due to their ignorance of the subject they are talking about. I have not responded to these idiots in that they have all day to come back at you with some meaningless garbage that they know more than you about Baja and their two trips they have made south of the border and had to pay mordida to some poor cop, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!

Get your burro down here and enjoy the upcoming wine festival or even enjoy the company of other Baja fans when they get together like today at the Agua Viva golf tourney and fiesta. It was great and we had a blast! I really needed that today........... Everyone was in a great mood, the food was excellent and the company was even better.

One of my favorite subjects lately was the guy who wanted to go to Venezuela to meet that woman and he was worried and needed some answers. A lot of jerks posted crap but for the most part I think we set him straight and may have even saved him from a disaster if he would have went there. This is a great web site so pick and choose and take it all with a grain of salt----- This is about as good as it gets my friend.

Don't be depressed and don't let thee idiots get you down. I have been all over Colombia also and maybe we can exchange notes sometime. I would like that.

Ken Cooke - 6-13-2009 at 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lizard lips
Don't be depressed and don't let thee idiots get you down. I have been all over Colombia also and maybe we can exchange notes sometime. I would like that.

I'm returning in a few weeks, and I can't wait. Oceanfront vistas from a highrise hotel in Santa Marta to 5 and 10 piece bands performing on stage at the gas station! Colombia does it in style. Baja has a more understated beauty. I love both - just depends on the weather, I guess.

LB - 6-13-2009 at 07:59 PM

I do have to say.... I am very happy here in my little Baja, no problems other than some tiring Gringos that do not get Baja. This board has become a downer cause by some... who have been allowed to take over!!!

To find that so many posters have not been to Baja or not for a long time. , I wonder why they are posting

:light:

If this group is to be about those of us who love Baja and want to assist
and support those who want to learn and venture into the land we love...
some changes must be made.

I have learnt so much and have been offended by so much. I am deciding
weather it is worth reading the Nomads anymore after all the garbage put out by those who do not even know our Baja.

In my short time on this board, I have stayed away from expressing any thought
or opinion that would put me on the attack from those....who feed on
attack.
\But....I love the fact that NOMADS support NOMADS and if you need
help If I can assist, I will,,,,,and i LIKE KNOWING THAT IF I NEED HELP
A NOMAD WILL BE THERE FOR ME.

OK ...those of you who like....ATTACK.... but true nomads....thank you for being there.

lizard lips - 6-13-2009 at 08:06 PM

Right on LB. You have lots of Baja Brothers who will go the extra mile for you here........

Ken Cooke - 6-13-2009 at 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LB
\But....I love the fact that NOMADS support NOMADS and if you need
help If I can assist, I will,,,,,and i LIKE KNOWING THAT IF I NEED HELP
A NOMAD WILL BE THERE FOR ME.

Back when David K barely knew me, and Desert Bull hadn't met me yet, I was able to get a recon trip together to pull my truck back to the USA for repairs. Otherwise, it would have been picked apart in the Sierra San Pedro Marir park. :!:

Von - 6-13-2009 at 08:21 PM

i guess there is more interest in misery than happiness lol......

i really dont care or do i? i am writing right? i do care i love All Bajanomads

new ones, fat ones, ugly ones, negative ones, and especially interesting ones!

LB - 6-13-2009 at 08:25 PM

As I said.................REAL Nomads.........are wonderful people!!!! That is where this
nomad board started from ......it is not a matter of not reading certain
threads or users names. It is about what the NOMADS are really about;

I ask that this site go back to the heart of baja....
it is our Baja and we chose this as our home or second home.

Thank you LIzard LIps, I like support ....not attack. Baja bessings to you.

oxxo - 6-13-2009 at 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KurtG
Three weeks ago I rode my KLR650 from home on the central coast 1000 miles south

Kurt, that's the old Central Coast attitude! I'm a former 35 year resident of SLOtown. Life is good there and it is also good in Baja. Everything depends on your attitude. I hope everyone on this List feels as good as you and I do.

David K - 6-13-2009 at 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote:

Originally posted by LB
\But....I love the fact that NOMADS support NOMADS and if you need
help If I can assist, I will,,,,,and i LIKE KNOWING THAT IF I NEED HELP
A NOMAD WILL BE THERE FOR ME.

Ken, people who share their love for Baja online with each other are a special family... and like any family, sometimes there are feuds and fights... The important thing is that when one of the 'family' (Nomad) members needs help, the other true family members spring into action and will help if they can! :wow:

Now, about your Ford's breakdown near the observatory... I know it caused some serious hardship for you guys, and that is very unfortunate... But, now you are a happy Jeep owner and the incident got a mention in Graham Mackintosh's third book as he was up there when you were. :yes:

Desert Bull really came to the rescue and that was super of him... :cool:

I don't recall what I did to help other than make a Baja connection, but I am always happy to help any time that I am able... to any Nomad (even the ones who aren't always nice, lol)! :bounce:

Geo_Skip - 6-13-2009 at 10:33 PM

Kevin, there are a few NATTERING NABOBS OF NEGATIVITY....on these pages (forgive me God for quoting Spiro Agnew). Bajahowodd is a classic example although there are several notable others. I, too feel the hate to be tiring and a major turn off. I have eyes open to REAL Issues affecting travelers from the north. I am one...frequently. I appreciate a heads up warning of trouble...but and SICK AND DAMNED TIRED OF THE EMOTIONAL RANTS OF ill adjusted individuals. Thanks for your comments Kevin. I have been turned off by the same thing for weeks and have not been here as a result.

Does Baja Nomad want to clean up the mess? I hope so, cause I can see NO WAY I myself can do it except by this comment.

Skeet/Loreto - 6-14-2009 at 06:34 AM

It does appear that the Nomads have gone the way of the present Culture-That is a very negative way of life, Blaming every body for anything which will get attention.

How Sad, After being in Baja for so many years I shall say that there is still Beauty and Adventure like not other Place, so go and meet the p[eople, enjoy the Water, The Sunsets, then report them back to this board.

Try to overlook the Commie that tries to tell you that the Unithed States of America is responsible for all the Bad Stuff.
Theses People are just like the Scam Artists trying to sell you a non-esistence Home at Loreto Bay.

I have some trouble for those People who say False and very bad things about Baja. It is difficult to over look the Nuts that are trying to change your way of thinking to their BS.

They are "As useless as Teats on a Boer Hog".

Skeet

rhintransit - 6-14-2009 at 06:35 AM

Ken, I 'got' your initial question immediately yet held off responding. I agree the index is up. true, one can almost predict whose posts to skip, or just give up on a particular thread, but perhaps the summer heat/economic and world issues have brought more malcontents to their computers. I don't think any moderator can 'clean up the mess' nor that anyone is advocating censorship. there are some folks with time on their hands and minds stuck on shut with plenty of computer time. I've developed my own filters, and a thick skin when/if attacked or hijacked.

on a positive note, there have been a lot of newbies chiming in lately. their enthusiasm bring freshness to Bajanomad, even if some of the questions have been covered multiple times in the past (NNN's bite your tongues, you were there once). welcome.

and there are always the calm islands of reason and experience...participants whose user names have earned respect over the years. you know who you are. or, we know who you are. keep writing.

the majority of us are learning and growing and do have things to contribute. if we err occasionally, or don't manage to convey what we mean will, or...heaven forbid...spell something wrong...bear with us.

" 'I've been in (Baja) for (X) years,' she said, 'sometimes I think it's the best place to live in the universe, and other times I think its just a hideout for stray dogs and lost souls, for people who couldn't get their lives right the first time and are too scared to try again" apologies to Pam Houston

try to ignore/have compassion for the stray dogs and stay positive. the majority of Nomads make this the best place in the world. thank you.

Hook - 6-14-2009 at 06:37 AM

There's alot of negativity in the world; why should Nomads be any different?

You can pretty much bet that ANY post that goes onto 3 or more pages has a firefight somewhere in the middle. Just avoid those if your negativity threshold is so low.

shari - 6-14-2009 at 06:46 AM

Like all things in baja..."It is what it is". BUT...we...the participants can make it a better place by

-not littering( garbage posts)

-using a bit of constraint and compassion, (skeet, does calling people "Commies" really foster goodwill here?)

-reporting trolls quickly

-posting positive stories (for example good real estate experiences)

-understand and accept other posters points of view without judging

-keep name calling out of posts

this board is an amazing phenomenon...a plethora of good information...a useful tool in times of emergency...a great source of laughter and just a really neat community...lets pull together to keep it as nice as baja.

DENNIS - 6-14-2009 at 07:29 AM

OK....Good. Lets all have a cold Pacifico. I'm buying.

Mexitron - 6-14-2009 at 07:55 AM

I agree Shari!!

ArroyoTaxi - 6-14-2009 at 03:56 PM

Nicely said.

comitan - 6-14-2009 at 04:09 PM

I agree Shari, but would like to make one point that the main forum be Moderated to keep Off Topics in Off Topics.

Gypsy Jan - 6-14-2009 at 04:41 PM

Here's my suggestions:

Create a "Baja Mexico is Terrible Place" complaint forum (it won't happen, but, if it does, no one will post on it because they want to complain on the bigger stage of the General Discussion Forum.

Just Say "No" (all credit to Nancy Reagan) to negative posts. Don't read them, don't try to analyze the psychology or pathology of the poster, just let it slide by and disappear in the ever flowing great river of the Internet. Indifference is the best response, because the poster on the other end can't get in yo' face.

Just my two cents, but Fitty has more. (Sorry, hip hop reference).

[Edited on 6-14-2009 by Gypsy Jan]

comitan - 6-14-2009 at 04:49 PM

GypsyJan

I'm sorry I don't agree, that is putting the onus on the readers, its much difficult than what you say to cull things that you don't like or agree with.

Comitan, That is Great

Gypsy Jan - 6-14-2009 at 04:53 PM

Dialogue = Two (or more) Points of View = Enlightenment.

Hurray for dialogue.

I just say, ignore the shouters.

wilderone - 6-15-2009 at 08:23 AM

In spite of the "half-full" attitude, the underlying problem with the negativity in Baja and, as a result, on this forum, is plainly seen within the NEWS directory. It is consistently filled with what is going on in Baja now - murder, land scams, corrupt government, diminishing fish, rising prices, closed beaches, etc. Less good news because people are not going as often to report their wonderful trips and experiences. Gone are the days from which this forum was born. I'm not saying you can't find those same experiences - it's always my experience - but it's just different now. And that's a fact.

Bajahowodd - 6-15-2009 at 10:45 AM

There's nothing wrong with reality-based criticism. But the bashing is what offends me. If you're going to bash Baja or Mexico, start your own hate-ffilled forum. Wherever one goes, there will always be the recognition of room for improvement. But, I sense that most, if not all of you share my feeling that when I'm in Baja, I'm happier, warts and all. That being said- the Troll thing. This is the second thread I've encountered where some newbie named Geo_Skip has directed invective against me personally.

tripledigitken - 6-15-2009 at 10:58 AM

I think it's your location description of "the OC" that sets him off. :yes:

Skeet/Loreto - 6-15-2009 at 11:00 AM

Shari: Right you are I should not refer to those Weak Minded Left Wing Liberal types as Commies.
Sorry, I shall make every effort not to do that again.

Would you be so kind as to suggest a word or sentence that would be Approiate for those who tear down Baja and the Stes, make False Statements and try to convince us all that a Total Govt. Control of all People would be better??

Thanks for your Help.

Skeet/Loreto

Bajaboy - 6-15-2009 at 11:03 AM

Shari-

You can't teach a crotchety old dog new tricks, you know....

Skeet/Loreto - 6-15-2009 at 11:19 AM

" If the Shoe Fits, wear it"!!

BajaGringo - 6-15-2009 at 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
OK....Good. Lets all have a cold Pacifico. I'm buying.

I'll buy the next round....

toneart - 6-15-2009 at 11:52 AM

Trolls - Their own lives are miserable and they wish to make others' miserable too. They are good at making evocative statements. In playing on universal emotions, they are sure to attract responses.
Some have said, to ignore them is the best antidote. That is what I say about censorship, which I am against. But to ignore trolls' hooks is not easy because they know which bait or lure work best on us humans.

Stalkers - I too have been stalked. He/they get banned and return under new pseudonyms. They spend lots of time obsessing.
They study personalities, compile personal information as revealed in different strings, look at hints of political leanings, look for vulnerabilities, then attack and even threaten.

The current global malaise in which Baja is included; the economy, drug violence, political polarization, scandals, swindles, and especially the advance of the culture of labeling and name calling on the internet and in the media. I won't point fingers here. If you are doing this you know who you are. The rest of us certainly know who you are...a culture that has advanced in the last few years and seems to be irreversible.

In conclusion, this is NOT exclusive to our Bajanomad board. If you look at other forums, you will see that it is indeed a culture that has invaded our modes of communication. I don't think it is going away. We just have to try and decapitate its malfeasance wherever it appears, but realize that you can only do it on a case by case basis.
....Or...ignore it if you can. :light:

Mulegena - 6-15-2009 at 12:27 PM

Well-stated, toneart .

My family taught me to try to remain quiet about someone
if I could not say something positive,

so

If Life is a Sandbox
Let's Play in It
Kindly !

Cypress - 6-15-2009 at 12:57 PM

Sometimes the "facts" aren't very uplifting or positive.

Everything about Baja is fantastic, the desert, the beaches, the people, I'd put that in the positive catagory. One fly in the ointment, the reef fisheries on the Sea of Cortez side.

The term "dead zone" comes to mind. That's about as negative as it gets. :no:

Just being honest.

Bajahowodd - 6-15-2009 at 02:39 PM

So, it's the OC? Actually, I don't much like it here. Until a couple of years ago, I spent years living in Topanga. But I guess that'd be worse as far as troll goes.

I bet that if you try hard enough, you'll find more flies. Not too many, mind you, but others. How about the ubiquitous mordita as an example of a mosca?

Skeet/Loreto - 6-15-2009 at 03:28 PM

Butttttttt!!!!

If we let all those people off with out a challenge, they might get control and then we would be put/Kept in Bamboo Cages.

Sharksbaja - 6-15-2009 at 03:29 PM

I think Tony is pretty close to it. The Global climate is a tad distraught and ambivolent these days.

Now just be honest and admit it's mainly the Republicans hurtling media insults.

jejeje

I just cain't help it ma!! :lol:

This is very hard but

longhairedbeatnik - 6-15-2009 at 03:34 PM

I joined this board after a search on Google about all things Baja. I was looking for info on the shooting in El Rosario as I sometimes stop at Baja Cactus and breakfast at Ed's. While I have found the wealth of information here on base and up to date , there are many here who use this forum as a social network with a pecking order and I find that a bit much for a public forum on Baja with warts and all.
I agree Bajahowodd is very political in his/her posts and although I agree with the slant at times,it should not be shoved down the collective throat.
Baja Shark seems to think he/she owns this board by the number of posts he/she has sent into the ozone here and that also is not right. I would rather that the most social here would keep the posts as they are intended by the posters themselves, unwashed and there for the taking by all.
If we were to remove what we think is not Baja enough or not of the Baja quality that some demand here,this board has no value whatsoever.
Lets leave the board alone and if some of you do not like it,do what I do. Ignore the noncomforming posts that you do not agree with and stick with likeminded posts.
You will neuter this board with the petty bickering here and that will make it as interesting as the last Baja board I joined that was as boring as vanilla.
Enjoy your evening. :saint:

Vanilla, boring?

DanO - 6-15-2009 at 03:41 PM

I take umbrage at that remark. My vanilla, sir, is anything but boring. Creamy and sublime, with little flecks of vanilla bean. I cannot tolerate the vanilla haters any more! Death to chocolate!!!

:lol:

longhairedbeatnik - 6-15-2009 at 03:44 PM

Now that is a funny post. :lol:

Bajaboy - 6-15-2009 at 03:51 PM

Too many grumpy old men thinking about the old days..... :tumble:

DENNIS - 6-15-2009 at 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajaboy
Too many grumpy old men thinking about the old days..... :tumble:

That's all we have left. At what age should we have been gassed?
Besides, a first-hand knowledge of Baja before the paved roads is like living history. Please don't penalize us for that.

Bajajack - 6-15-2009 at 04:06 PM

To many grumpy old men and a couple of old frumps that can't remember the good old day's, or the present.

:lol:

La Pura Vida. Really?

Lee - 6-15-2009 at 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by longhairedbeatnik
I agree Bajahowodd is very political in his/her posts and although I agree with the slant at times,it should not be shoved down the collective throat.

Bajahowodd
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 2306
Registered: 12-15-2008
Location: Cabo Del Sol & The OC
Member Is Offline.

2,306 post in 6 months. What am I missing?

David K watch out.

longhairedbeatnik - 6-15-2009 at 04:21 PM

The most busy poster in the history of this board, Thats OK if you have something to add but to just pour filler in here is nutty.

KurtG - 6-15-2009 at 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Too many grumpy old men thinking about the old days..... :tumble:

Well, I am old and occasionally accused of grumpiness. And yes, I have great memories of living in Mulege with my kids 35 years ago and the camping and exploring we have done over the years. I also have great memories of my recent ride to Baja Sur and my visits to old friends there and whale watching in March. The old days were great but the adventure is still there for those who seek it. Ride a mule into Arroyo San Pablo to the cave paintings, they are still there for us just as they were for Gardner and Crosby. You will never forget the trip.

Baja, this board, and life in general are what you make them.

A few years ago Al Martinez in his LA Times column wrote:

"Times are tough. Times are always tough; the human condition is nasty. The poor are always with us and the crazy, and the just plain stupid. The viruses are with us too, and pestilence and famine.

And the challenge is to approach it all with some kind of grace and some kind of humility. The challenge is to acknowledge that although it is not your fault, it is your responsibility.

You are not special; you have not been singled out. Self-rightousness is always misplaced. Plant a tree, dig a well, hug a child, shut up."

That's enough philosophy for today. (But I especially like the part about self-rightousness)
Kurt

shari - 6-15-2009 at 05:28 PM

well...I for one would LOVE to hear the story about sinking pirate ships with a spatula....hey maybe we could pass on your tips to Sea Shepherd!!
(oh oh....here come the weak minded lefty commie police) honest officer, I am a conservative er republican er...ummm...whatever dude.

David K - 6-15-2009 at 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by longhairedbeatnik
The most busy poster in the history of this board, Thats OK if you have something to add but to just pour filler in here is nutty.

Hello?

Yes, the most posts...but so what? I just happen to be the longest active Nomad (#10) and enjoy posting information about Baja (history mostly: recent and mission period) and chatting here whith my amigos. It is a faster way to provide help to Baja travelers than writing a book or magazine articles...

This thread and Sharksbaja's posts really has to be taken into consideration by all Nomad members as to HOW to keep the posts positive, and Baja or Nomad related...

IGNORE the stuff that doesn't interest you and PUSH the report button if you see a clear VIOLATION of board rules... foul language, personal insults and name calling, off topic (wrong forum) posts included.

DOUG needs us all to HELP him keep this place informative and friendly: PUSH the REPORT button, because the limited time DOUG has to read Nomad, he reads the REPORTS first to clean up any mess.

Instead of posting complaints about Nomad... DO something to help, push the REPORT button when a thread goes bad.

Doug believes as adults we should be able to use his forum without a lot of babysitting... Unfortunately, a few Nomads have no responsibility over their own actions, don't know how to delete bad posts, or just like to throw some gas on a fire...

I have a couple times for fun, responded to some outrageous posts... but all in all, I am here to read about Baja and share my knowledge or resources I have, happily!

Osprey - 6-15-2009 at 05:58 PM

Longhair, you better watch yourself dude. I went to the fourth grade but not in Kalifornia. I'll have you know my collected works are already archived and slated to be given to the Museum of Longhairs when I die. Tomorrow I will send them a certified copy of your posts in case you kill me and eat me sometime in the near future. Sooo whatever you're planning you should wait, if you can, til you see the notice in the paper that the once, almost a writer, Osprey, is gone for good.

Eat you

longhairedbeatnik - 6-15-2009 at 06:04 PM

Comon man, get ahold of yourself and stop this foolish talk.

It was not about you ,David

longhairedbeatnik - 6-15-2009 at 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by longhairedbeatnik
The most busy poster in the history of this board, Thats OK if you have something to add but to just pour filler in here is nutty.

I was pointing out Bajahowodd was on pace to pass you in short order . It was not meant as an insult to you and I am sorry if you took it that way. I enjoy your posts and consider you the most honest person on this board.

David K - 6-15-2009 at 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by longhairedbeatnik

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Originally posted by longhairedbeatnik
The most busy poster in the history of this board, Thats OK if you have something to add but to just pour filler in here is nutty.

Oh, no problem my friend... One must have thick skin on a public forum, afterall... Thanks for the clarification and nice words, however!!!

Ken Cooke - 6-15-2009 at 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by David KI just happen to be the longest active Nomad (#10) and enjoy posting information about Baja (history mostly: recent and mission period) and chatting here whith my amigos.

Let's get together at your house for some Tecate's for your 20,000th post, David.

tripledigitken - 6-15-2009 at 06:56 PM

Not directed at you DK

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Originally posted by longhairedbeatnik

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Originally posted by longhairedbeatnik
The most busy poster in the history of this board, Thats OK if you have something to add but to just pour filler in here is nutty.

An endorsement many here would cherish I am sure!
:lol:

longlegsinlapaz - 6-15-2009 at 07:29 PM

Ms. Sweetness & Light-Muy-Intelligente-Well-Respected-for-Good-Judgement:

Well stated! :bounce:

Sharksbaja - 6-15-2009 at 08:25 PM

I must admit, this post has become hilarious.

Yes Longwindedbeardedone there will be a coup soon. General Jorge and his minions will take over the forum with buckets of filler and march with thousands of posts behind them. Watch out everyone.

You take every post waaaay too personal. You must be a wreck. Take a deep breath(or a bath). :lol:

See, I can be nice too!

btw, I must be a dude cause only Nancy can rag like a man

surfer jim - 6-15-2009 at 08:57 PM

Time to hit the LOCK button here.... :barf:

toneart - 6-15-2009 at 09:09 PM

Anybody taking longevity bets? :rolleyes:

Sharksbaja - 6-15-2009 at 09:12 PM

I dunno about you but I got it out of my system for awhile.

Now for a chaser :lol:

Bajahowodd - 6-15-2009 at 11:26 PM

Am I supposed to be feeling paranoid? Or is somebody out to get me? I've got no particular agenda. I don't profess to have posted anything near the quality posts of a number of members. I'm guessing that the total number of my posts is somewhat distorted by the fact that when I first joined, I spent way too much time on the off-topic forum, and got seduced by the idea of jousting with folks on items political and cultural. Frankly, I came to realize that there was way too much meaness and bile and swore off even going there. I just find it quizzical that I have been singled out recently. Thanks for the honor.