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Costa Brava resort and condos La Paz

capt. mike - 6-24-2009 at 11:20 AM

can anyone report on what is happening there - those that live in La Paz that is.

i just got their latest newsletter and another phase for the residences appears to be underway - albeit at what i think are unrealistically high asking prices.

the property and associated marina look like A class. they used to have a 3 night promo but haven't seen it offered in a while.
it was a good deal at the time, wish i would have gone to see it then, and no it wasn't a sales scam as some friends of mine stayed there under the special and were treated very well.

YARDSAIL - 6-24-2009 at 01:31 PM

Mike.... That's Costa Baja, not Costa Brava.... Baja Insider always has articles and deals....

gnukid - 6-24-2009 at 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
can anyone report on what is happening there - those that live in La Paz that is.


What are your questions?

Price of a room? price of a meal, price at happy hour? pu-pu trays? price per foot for your yacht?

capt. mike - 6-24-2009 at 01:44 PM

nothing specific really, just a comment or 2 on if they are building and selling.

i am not interested in prices other than are they actually closing anything at the $400,000s levels and above as they say.

JESSE - 6-24-2009 at 03:25 PM

Probably the most serious development in town. The owners are the Arangos, wich own Walmart Mexico, they have plenty of money and are still going full ahead with construction regardless of the current economy. In my opinion, the construction there is the best in town, just cement and cement blocks capable of handling a hurricane. If i was the type that likes to buy in a development, it would be with them or Pedegral. Anybody else and your better of going to Vegas.

JESSE - 6-24-2009 at 06:13 PM

gnukid,

I donīt think the question was about buying property in the commercial part of the marina. I find that the best restaurants have stayed open, and the poor ones have closed because they where not good at all. The commercial area of the marina is not my thing either, but the actual development is very nice is you like that.

Pedregal is a very nice development. again, not my thing, but they have a solid track record, good construction, and perhaps, the best view in town. Wich is something very desirable for some.

[Edited on 6-25-2009 by JESSE]

roamingthroughbaja - 6-24-2009 at 06:29 PM

I have seen the construction of the condos, and it's not that great. Had a nice lunch in one of the restaurants, though.

gnukid - 6-24-2009 at 07:11 PM

What do I know anyway, I never lived in the condos or lived in the hotel and many people like them, for exacatly what they are. I do go there for something. Now there are more and more things to offer at Costa Baja, gracias por su confienza....

gnukid - 6-24-2009 at 07:18 PM

It seems to me there are many many homes in progress from Pedregal to La Concha to Costa Baja to Tecolote. It seems like hundreds if not thousands of new homes. They all 'ook good.

Costa Baja

C-Urchin - 6-24-2009 at 09:48 PM

I stayed at Costa Baja in a condo last year. Between the property's "muzak", the music from 3 restaurants and the music from a private event, the place was an altar to cacophony. What were they thinking???

Never again.

Not even for free.

Not even with drinks and airfare and massages for free.

Too bad.

aldosalato - 6-25-2009 at 04:40 AM

Costa Baja is a very serious development because of the strong financial position of their main investor, Arango. He has his own boat stationed in the marina.
Still it will take decades to recover the amount of money invested in the area because the place has still too few people using the facilities most of the year and it is positioned too close to the termoelectric power plant.

[Edited on 6-25-2009 by aldosalato]

capt. mike - 6-25-2009 at 06:14 AM

great info thx.

Alan - 6-25-2009 at 07:22 AM

I really like their marina

Shortest run to get out of the bay
Fuel dock
Good security
Decent launch ramp

JESSE - 6-25-2009 at 04:09 PM

Just stay away from speculators and everything will be fine.

fishbuck - 6-25-2009 at 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by aldosalato
Costa Baja is a very serious development because of the strong financial position of their main investor, Arango. He has his own boat stationed in the marina.
Still it will take decades to recover the amount of money invested in the area because the place has still too few people using the facilities most of the year and it is positioned too close to the termoelectric power plant.

[Edited on 6-25-2009 by aldosalato]


Ya, that power plant is gross!

cajhawk - 7-20-2009 at 09:08 AM

If you have been onsite, you will notice that the east side lots that they are selling can't see the power plant around the corner. I have assisted quite a few developments in Mexico with marketing and sales and I think that this development may be one of the few winners during this time. They have deep pockets, long term view and a very nice master plan. I like La Paz so much more than Cabo and Costa Baja is quite nice. The earlier phases by the water are a bit cramped, but the new phases have great views of the water.

bajajazz - 7-20-2009 at 09:26 AM

The Costa Baja development -- all of it -- shares one bad feature that detracts from its desirability. That is, the marina and the housing on both sides of the highway are dished into the side of the hill with protuberances on both the north and south sides cutting off wind flow that makes high temperatures bearable. Costa Baja is rather like the area around Mulege in that respect, with heat reflecting off the hillside and captured in the pocket in which the development resides, with no breeze to dissipate the accumulated heat. The heat, combined with the noxious particle-bearing fumes from Pemex and CFE, make longterm living there something I would never consider, even if I could afford it. Costa Baja's biggest selling point is its viewshed, and that is something that can be purchased at far less cost in developments like Lomas de Palmira with none of the disadvantages noted above.

oxxo - 7-20-2009 at 09:33 AM

I kept my boat at Marina Costa Baja until a year ago. They had 100% occupancy at the marina and then they got greedy and doubled their prices over a two year period. A lot of boat owners moved out to other marinas. Now according the the Dock Master, Gabe, they only have 60% occupancy. Their major tenant, Moorings Charters, is now having severe financial problems as a result of the economy in the US. I can't think of any reason I would return my boat to this marina, even if prices came down.

As a result of the boats going away, a lot of the businesses suffered and now there is about 50% vacancy in the retail/restaurant spaces at the marina. It appears to me that maintenance is suffering as a result.

Be aware that Costa Baja was adding a surcharge for utilities and water. They were charging me USD 40 per month to run a battery charger and that's all. Under some conditions, soot from the power plant can be a problem.

When it was 100% full, it did tend to get a bit noisy there. Now you can hear disarded newspapers rustling in the walking aracades. I find the place depressing. Don't have any reason to go there anymore.

Osprey - 7-20-2009 at 10:50 AM

Bajajazz, can you explain for me the difference between viewshed and view? Thanks

oxxo - 7-20-2009 at 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Osprey
can you explain for me the difference between viewshed and view?


viewshed def.: the natural environment that is visible from one or more viewing points

view is to viewshed as runoff is to watershed

JESSE - 7-20-2009 at 02:41 PM

Pemex powerplant will be removed in the future.

vandenberg - 7-20-2009 at 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Pemex powerplant will be removed in the future.



And the future being.....????? 2015, 2025, 2050 or thereabouts??:biggrin:

comitan - 7-20-2009 at 04:04 PM

The old power plant has been replaced with a new one up and running 2 years+-.

aldosalato - 7-20-2009 at 08:10 PM

The old power plant is still up and running. It is 100 MW. Till now two modules of 40 MW (new but not very efficient diesel engines imported from Spain) each have been built in the new power station behind the hills. Another 80 MW is supposed to be built within next 6 years. Since all the capacity is currently in use and there is not much left to run the State of BCS I doubt CFE will be able to shut off the old thermoelectric for at least next 10 years.
The old thermoelectric cannot be shut off till another 100 MW get built....... so even the new power plant will not be enough......... in meantime just pray it does not break down during the summer heat.........
And PEMEX deposit tanks will never be removed anyway since the power plants still need to be refueled by sea tanker

[Edited on 7-21-2009 by aldosalato]

JESSE - 7-20-2009 at 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Pemex powerplant will be removed in the future.



And the future being.....????? 2015, 2025, 2050 or thereabouts??:biggrin:


Sooner than you think, big money from Mexico City and the Federal goverment is already at work.

gnukid - 7-20-2009 at 08:55 PM

And the old Cemex tower which remains in Manglito (colonia inalmbrica)? Jesse could you put that on the tear down list too, please?

aldosalato - 7-21-2009 at 06:31 AM

According to plans (still with no approved source of funds) the old power plant could be shut down in 2015.


Look at page 30

http://www.energia.gob.mx/webSener/res/PE_y_DT/pub/Prospect%...


Look at page 14

https://www.zvei.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Wirtschft_Recht/A...

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JESSE - 7-22-2009 at 12:51 AM

Is there another benefit that gets things done in Mexico besides the one i mentioned?

fishbuck - 7-22-2009 at 01:23 AM

Hey man, if those rich guy Mexicans can shut down that power plant that's great!
The whole city will benefit!
They could build new one out in the desert. A clean modern type.
I'm sure when they originally built that power plant it was a long way out of town.
But you know La Paz burns alot of electricity! And So does Los Cabo and...
There is another filthy power plant over on Mag Bay. You can use the smoke plume as a navigation aid when you are fishing. You can see that smoke for 100 miles!
That's how murcury gets into the ocean. And the fish!

C-Urchin - 11-29-2009 at 10:37 AM

I stayed at Costa baja last year, we refer to it now as "The Musak Marina", they have that piped music going on all day and evening. That conflicts with the loud music from 3 restaurants, then there was a band also playing for a special event.
Never again.

huh??!!

capt. mike - 11-29-2009 at 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by C-Urchin
I stayed at Costa baja last year, we refer to it now as "The Musak Marina", they have that piped music going on all day and evening. That conflicts with the loud music from 3 restaurants, then there was a band also playing for a special event.
Never again.


why not?? that is simply mexico man!! i love that schitt.:bounce: